GTA Online: After Hours Coming July 24

[Agent 14]

18 minutes ago, MostlyPonies said:

 

Oh no, a free 100k (at least) every week, how awful.

He does kinda have a point you know. I'm guessing you're still young living in ignorance of rockstar shoddy practices. 

[slowburn29]

People asking to snort coke like they never saw the end of scarface

[IamCourtney]

The end of Scarface is a typical Wednesday in GTAO...

[Nutduster]

42 minutes ago, Sentinel Driver said:

This update has already failed in many ways at least in my opinion

 

Hype is one of the most important parts in releasing a GTA DLC

 

 

No it isn't.  Hype is fun but it's a side dish at best.  The main course is the content being good.

[Cutter De Blanc]

1 hour ago, Weird Colors said:

Are we all missing something ?, Did a new secret GTA KILLER game with 30 player freemode get released recently, or did you just transform into a CASUAL GTA fan ?  *FacePalm*

 

Maybe, a "FAD" game would be more suitable for your tastes and enjoyment, like Fortnite or PUBG.

Never really cared for GTA Online, it's been the only way for me to play with any new vehicles since, like, the Low Rider update though. 

On topic I hope there are few new songs that aren't completely obscure

[MostlyPonies]

28 minutes ago, Agent 14 said:

He does kinda have a point you know. I'm guessing you're still young living in ignorance of rockstar shoddy practices. 

Believe it or not, you can be aware of Rockstar's flaws and still appreciate the free money.

[Viewbob]

what if it doesnt come out till august, or it dont come out till the 31st, because i found out theres 2 more bodysuits, so we will probably get one next week, and then on 31st either a bodysuit and no dlc, or a bodysuit and a dlc

[Sentinel Driver]

1 hour ago, Nutduster said:

 

No it isn't.  Hype is fun but it's a side dish at best.  The main course is the content being good.

this is a subjective matter in the end

[Nutduster]

6 minutes ago, Sentinel Driver said:

this is a subjective matter in the end

 

I guess, but you really enjoy thinking about a game you might play more so than the game itself?  That suggests a pretty severe failure on the part of the developer, if true. 

[theNGclan]

3 hours ago, Piro said:

Well not rly. They started with PC/next gen and later they downgraded it all so it can run on old gens.
 

But it is true... Sounds like you don't know anything about coding. Even R*F* said that they "don't mess with the old code" or everything would fall apart. Thats why for example we don't have Pegasus Customs, we have to bring old Pegasus vehicles and turn them in to something new. In a way thats a workaround to avoid problems with the old Pegasus system. 

Every time you try to change something old it gives you new unexpected bugs. 

You know the old saying?

"99 little bugs in the code,
99 little bugs,
take one down, pass it around,
127 little bugs in the code!"

  Reveal hidden contents

 

 

3 hours ago, Nutduster said:

 

Huh?  Almost any code can turn into a mess when it has a lot of disparate parts sharing and calling the same procedures.  Especially a game like GTA with tons of different features.  That's the nature of code written in MOST languages, it doesn't matter specifically which one. 

 

If GTA Online's code isn't a giant mess, I would love to know why we have found, and they have fixed, approximately eighty gajillion money and car dupe glitches to date. 

 

By the way, what I do for a living is work on a very old and complicated piece of software which has many of the same problems.  I don't really even say this as some damning indictment - it's just a description.  A project as ambitious and complex as GTA Online with many, many developers working on it over a period of a number of years is naturally going to become a mess, even if it didn't start out as one.  That's just unavoidable.  The best you can hope for is that the current crop of developers are smart enough not to mess too much with old, shared code when they're adding new features, and are able to generate competent Band-Aids for the problems that arise.

The problem you two have failed to see is how new content works. Disregarding engine tweaks since that's essentially all intertwined, the main script files (.*sc files) are used to store missions and other sifted coded data. When a new update comes out with a new business, new scripts are created for the business and they're housed in their own corresponding script files. The only script that could possible be changed prior for them is how they're executed, such as through the interaction menu or another ancient platform.

 

Yes, when old assets get modified there is a higher chance for something to break, but the new scripts are rarely chained to another system, as they run independently and should have bugs (if there are any) contained specifically to them. For example, you're not going to see the special cargo business have bugs because biker businesses have something wrong with them. That's not not possible, unless they triggered something in memory that broke a function that is used in more than one system.

 

The game is designed so that way new content can be added and developed with ease (given you havrbthe proper tools for it). If this weren't the case, DLC packages would take even longer and could potentially have more issues than they already do.

 

I know this because I've worked on these formats, and I've spent hours researching how this game works under the hood. I make money off of doing my research. Not everything is universal.

 

Yes, old code breaks when tampered with, but rarely does new code break old code. And Piro, don't argue with someone who actually works on the game, lol. It doesn't make you look very intelligent when you try to talk down to someone when you don't know what you're saying.

Edited July 18, 2018 by theNGclan
Fixed duplicate quotes.

[ddarko12]

2 hours ago, MostlyPonies said:

Who said it was pushed back? Just because it's not out when we expected it, based on speculation?

Obviously from the leakers it was pushed back. They're not wrong. I don't get how people who don't even know how to dig through code are gonna tell people what the leakers say doesn't hold any weight. pfft

 

1 hour ago, sea cucumber said:

what if it doesnt come out till august, or it dont come out till the 31st, because i found out theres 2 more bodysuits, so we will probably get one next week, and then on 31st either a bodysuit and no dlc, or a bodysuit and a dlc

That would be stupid as f*ck. Do they really think people are gonna keep being entertained with an ugly ass suit and a measly 100k that pays for a f*cking license plate or a Lada car? No. People usually bitch about GTAO on social media buts its intensified. All of the people who dont lurk the forums but play this game are bitching "where tf is the update" on social media. They need to release the crap soon. I can see it now. The expectations are rising, as they always do when you tease and make people wait, and if they dont deliver. It's gonna be a sh*t show when it does launch and isnt up to par.

Edited July 18, 2018 by ddarko12

[Nutduster]

29 minutes ago, theNGclan said:

 

The problem you two have failed to see is how new content works. Disregarding engine tweaks since that's essentially all intertwined, the main script files (.*sc files) are used to store missions and other sifted coded data. When a new update comes out with a new business, new scripts are created for the business and they're housed in their own corresponding script files. The only script that could possible be changed prior for them is how they're executed, such as through the interaction menu or another ancient platform.

 

 

You are not thinking about this very clearly.

 

Lots of systems in this game affect the behavior of old systems.  Just to name a generous handful of the most obvious examples: there are numerous things in this game that will remove your wanted level if you have one, and stop you from getting a wanted level for the duration of some event (or will give you a forced wanted level for the duration also).  There are numerous things that will make it so you no longer have to pay insurance or get bad sport warnings when blowing up PVs.  There are numerous things that take you off radar, or put you back on.  There are numerous things that disable certain phone abilities and interaction menu options (off-radar, ghost org, removing wanted level via Lester, and others) from working.  There are things that stop you from accepting phone invites (some in fact clear phone invites so you can't even see them, and then the invites have to pop back in when you're done).  There are free roam jobs that disable some icons and notifications (e.g. if you start a bunker sale or VIP work or whatever, you no longer see icons or notifications for someone selling an I/E car), which then have to be re-activated when your job is over.  Things that stop passive from working, and things (time trials) that put you in a forced passive state.  Cooldowns with different triggers that overlap and affect each other (explaining why still to this day you can get in a cycle of running VIP work literally non-stop as long as you pick the right jobs and do them in a certain amount of time, thus preventing any other player from ever starting one of their own).  Things that spawn or despawn your vehicles automatically, and things that have to be aware of whether you've already spawned certain types of vehicles so you don't overload the map with your toys.  On and on and on.

 

All of this stuff is related because they are constantly setting all these flags and calling all these procedures that set those flags, so that the game behaves the way it's supposed to.  Many of the game's bugs - including many of its dupe glitches, god mode glitches, permanent off-radar glitches, the free roam glitch where off-radar is broken for all players, and so forth - are a result of QA not testing and catching the way all of these connected systems can sometimes overlap and cause problems for each other.  The posts on that notorious modding/glitching forum, if you go backward through time and skim them, is a documented history of people figuring out how a new feature breaks an old feature and using that to copy their car, give their car to a friend, or make themselves invincible or invisible.

 

I don't care how much more insight than me you might have into the nuts-and-bolts of how GTA works, which I agree you probably do.  But I am telling you as a sometimes-programmer and a rational person - and a guy who has done a good eight or ten dupe glitches - that parts of this game are a very complicated mess; if they aren't, then Rockstar hires very bad programmers.  I would prefer to believe that their jobs are difficult than that they are a bunch of intern-level f*ck-ups face-planting their way through basic coding. 

 

And I seriously doubt that any developer who worked on this game *professionally* would say otherwise, at least if he was behind closed doors and you plied him with a drink or three. 

 

I agree that adding new shirts or new cars is not a huge deal for them, that stuff is basically just getting plugged into an ever-expanding list - but the playable content and new free roam features,that stuff is all madness and overlaps very dangerously sometimes.  I refuse to believe otherwise.

Edited July 18, 2018 by Nutduster

[Agent 14]

24 minutes ago, ddarko12 said:

Obviously from the leakers it was pushed back. They're not wrong. I don't get how people who don't even know how to dig through code are gonna tell people what the leakers say doesn't hold any weight. pfft

 

That would be stupid as f*ck. Do they really think people are gonna keep being entertained with an ugly ass suit and a measly 100k that pays for a f*cking license plate or a Lada car? No. People usually bitch about GTAO on social media buts its intensified. All of the people who dont lurk the forums but play this game are bitching "where tf is the update" on social media. They need to release the crap soon. I can see it now. The expectations are rising, as they always do when you tease and make people wait, and if they dont deliver. It's gonna be a sh*t show when it does launch and isnt up to par.

 

 

Remember But-But is free.

 

The 100k is a slap to the face to every grinder that has legit played the right way without cheating. Here how they get rewarded an old collection of ugly ass gimps suits and a 100k that's easily spent on a damn license plate lol

[MostlyPonies]

It *would* be a slap in the face, if we also didn't receive the money. But to grind for hours trying to make money, then receive money for nothing, and then complain about it is just nonsense.

[DJ Insanity]

@Nutduster I love that you come in and put out well thought out posts. It's a breath of fresh air from what I usually see.

[Agent 14]

20 minutes ago, MostlyPonies said:

It *would* be a slap in the face, if we also didn't receive the money. But to grind for hours trying to make money, then receive money for nothing, and then complain about it is just nonsense.

 

There's really nothing getting through ya isn't. I'm guessing you're not understanding anything at all. 100k is really a slap to the face. Considering how expensive everything is 100k won't even buy you a tron suit. That 100k is easily gone by blowing a tryhard trollmobile. Refilling ammo buying crates etc. Obviously this whole white knight mentality of yours keeps on showing your ignorance on the whole shoddy practices at bay that rockstar gets away from.

 

Only on gta there's 40k masks 50k pair of christmas socks and a damn flashlight cost more than a rusted rebel and a faggio bike. 

 

You know why is that? Because there's players like you who support these shoddy businesses and think is okay for take two to gauge their player base as much as they have with ridiculous prices.

Edited July 18, 2018 by Agent 14
Fixed an error.

[GamingKernDog]

2 minutes ago, Agent 14 said:

 

There's really nothing getting through ya isn't. I'm guessing you're not understanding anything at all. 100k is really a slap to the face. Considering how expensive everything is 100k won't even buy you a tron suit. That 100k is easily gone by blowing a tryhard trollmobile. Refilling ammo buying crates etc. Obviously this whole white knight mentality of yours keeps on showing your ignorance on the whole shoddy practices at bay that rockstar gets away from.

 

Only on gta there's 40k masks 50k pair of christmas socks and a damn flashlight cost more than a rusted rebel and a faggio bike. 

 

You why is that? Because there's players like you who support these shoddy businesses and think is okay for take two to gauge their player base as much as they have with ridiculous prices.

I agree Rockstar's practices are terrible, but free money is free money, no matter the amount.

[Agent 14]

2 minutes ago, GamingKernDog said:

I agree Rockstar's practices are terrible, but free money is free money, no matter the amount.

I agree is free money and new players can benefit from it. I just don't see how veteran players can benefit from it at all.

[Nutduster]

9 minutes ago, DJ Insanity said:

@Nutduster I love that you come in and put out well thought out posts. It's a breath of fresh air from what I usually see.

 

Thank you sir.

[GamingKernDog]

7 minutes ago, Agent 14 said:

I agree is free money and new players can benefit from it. I just don't see how veteran players can benefit from it at all.

Yea it isn't the best for veterans. But that's what the wireframe suits are for right? Hehe

[Agent 14]

1 minute ago, GamingKernDog said:

Yea it isn't the best for veterans. But that's what the wireframe suits are for right? Hehe

You mean the gimp suits rockstar can have them back lol. 

[El Diablo 702]

What were the wire frame suits even for?  I mean we’re they meant for a AM, heist, or just leftover content. 

[GamingKernDog]

38 minutes ago, Agent 14 said:

You mean the gimp suits rockstar can have them back lol. 

Lol ikr

2 minutes ago, El Diablo 702 said:

What were the wire frame suits even for?  I mean we’re they meant for a AM, heist, or just leftover content. 

I think they were meant for dripfeed content or event weeks like these. Just like any unreleased clothing item or livery, probably will be in event weeks someday.

[PetrolCB]

16 minutes ago, El Diablo 702 said:

What were the wire frame suits even for?  I mean we’re they meant for a AM, heist, or just leftover content. 

I think they even forgot. They leaked way back in January/February. 

[El Diablo 702]

I just don’t see em getting much use. Unless there’s some outfit glitch. 

Edited July 19, 2018 by El Diablo 702

[Agent 14]

20 minutes ago, El Diablo 702 said:

What were the wire frame suits even for?  I mean we’re they meant for a AM, heist, or just leftover content. 

2017 festive content. Which were never released till 2 weeks ago.

[GamingKernDog]

3 minutes ago, Agent 14 said:

2017 festive content. Which were never released till 2 weeks ago.

Yea man it's still Christmas lol. Maybe for R*

[OfficialTwiggz]

4 minutes ago, Agent 14 said:

2017 festive content. Which were never released till 2 weeks ago.

So left over content. 

 

I defintely do think after this year ends, is when we will see a decrease in updates, and they will have moved on, occasionally giving us the weekly, reused, rehashed AM’s, double XP and $$, etc etc until they shut the servers down. 

[GamingKernDog]

3 minutes ago, OfficialTwiggz said:

So left over content. 

 

I defintely do think after this year ends, is when we will see a decrease in updates, and they will have moved on, occasionally giving us the weekly, reused, rehashed AM’s, double XP and $$, etc etc until they shut the servers down. 

Nah. They may slow down a bit, but as far as completely stopping with new content, I doubt they will until GTA VI. They make too much money to stop. Especially since RDR2 most likely won't make as much as GTA Online does.

[Agent 14]

9 minutes ago, GamingKernDog said:

Nah. They may slow down a bit, but as far as completely stopping with new content, I doubt they will until GTA VI. They make too much money to stop. Especially since RDR2 most likely won't make as much as GTA Online does.

I'm guessing we'll see some more cars and air crafts being added to the game before they turn the game into a 2x$ RP every week till servers are closed. As far a huge updates goes in my on personal opinion these two might be one of the final ones.