Is it wrong destroying someones cargo?

[MaddenedGhost]

6 minutes ago, Voodoo-Hendrix said:

I'll do you one better, why not backwards?

 

Let us choose the delivery method, even better, let me either upgrade the delivery vehicles or replace them with my own.

 

Everyone cringes at the sight of a Post Op Boxville, but what about doing drops in Armored Boxvilles or Insurgents instead?

Exactly, I posted that one before, imagine giving us the option to use our vehicles that we spent money on instead of some garbage Dune FAV?

 

I don't care if Rockstar tells me to do so, Rockstar also said that destroying air-cargo increases my profit and they lied about that.

 

Please, if you just want to be an absolute jerk, say it out loud instead of blaming it on the crap 'the game tells me to do so", the game also spams you with invites from Martin about some freaking Adversary modes, why don't you leave what you're doing and participate in that the way you do when you get notified about players doing cargo? or in that case you call it a "choice"? get out of here.

[stagolee]

I'd be quite happy if M* allowed you to sell stuff in "Invite Tony" sessions, but sent a few wave of NPCs after you to keep it interesting... just so long as they aren't all over powered and ridiculously accurate

[FlacidJack]

4 hours ago, AdrianInHD said:

It can be "wrong" because we all know Rockstar purposely makes the game's progression hard. Selling cargo is the only way to make large sums of money alone and for people to ruin that payout for someone is just like... WHY? We all know it's an objective, yes. BUT why do we care about an objective that doesn't even pay out much. The only reason people do it is to grief others. It's like joining sides with Rockstar and saying "no, you can't make money easily in this game and I will personally prevent that." It's more annoying than objectively wrong. 

But we don't all know anything, many players who chase red blips have no idea what kind of effort went in to that red blip, it just looks like a worthy target.

I hate to pull out the "it's GTA" excuse but in this case it applies imo, many players have no idea what's going on, they join heists with no heavy vest or snacks, they get slaughtered in freeroam not paying attention to clues to go passive or ghost, they go shopping without enabling passive etc.

Point is, they are the randoms you can't trust or depend on to help complete a Simeon mission ...but you think they know R*s ploy to destroy all your hard-earned fake cash?

 

I like to think that once most players fully understand what goes into business sales they avoid blowing up cargo. 

IMO It's more of a griefer sport once we know or just enjoy the sound of tears. Luckily most griefers are easy to spot before hitting the sell button.

 

14 minutes ago, stagolee said:

I'd be quite happy if M* allowed you to sell stuff in "Invite Tony" sessions, but sent a few wave of NPCs after you to keep it interesting... just so long as they aren't all over powered and ridiculously accurate

That's what they already do if there's no competition in the session when you sell.

Edited June 14, 2018 by FlacidJack

[Black-Dragon96]

1 hour ago, DemonicSpaceman said:

Surely playing any competitive PvP game is having fun at the costs of others - nobody likes to lose.

 

1. GTA is not a competetiv PvP game. It never was and never will be.

I honestly would not even call it a PvP game, since there is a lot more than just PvP.

 

2. I can still have fun while loosing. The key is that I lost a fair battle.

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Edited June 14, 2018 by Black-Dragon96
Buggy Forum is buggy. Seriously who thought making quotes unremovable is a good idea?

[stagolee]

5 minutes ago, FlacidJack said:

But we don't all know anything, many players who chase red blips have no idea what kind of effort went in to that red blip, it just looks like a worthy target.

I hate to pull out the "it's GTA" excuse but in this case it applies imo, many players have no idea what's going on, they join heists with no heavy vest or snacks, they get slaughtered in freeroam not paying attention to clues to go passive or ghost, they go shopping without enabling passive etc.

Point is, they are the randoms you can't trust or depend on to help complete a Simeon mission ...but you think they know R*s ploy to destroy all your hard-earned fake cash?

 

I like to think that once most players fully understand what goes into business sales they avoid blowing up cargo. 

IMO It's more of a griefer sport once we know or just enjoy the sound of tears. Luckily most griefers are easy to spot before hitting the sell button.

 

That's what they already do if there's no competition in the session when you sell.

I know, but you have to glitch a solo public session

[TheRipperOfLagoZancudo]

9 times out of time destroying cargo doesn't interest me. The grind out there is annoying so I sympathize. However some people should know better than selling in a packed session without in the very least scouting the entire map. There are many people who would love to screw you over just for 2000 dollars or just because. Of course someone could come after you if you're blinking red, the game telling the entire sessions, and on top of that getting texts to stop you. One just has to know better these days or they'll learn real quick how your days worth of grind can turn into zero. Also to people who says its a challenge, that is a lie and you know it lol

[Mach1bud]

38 minutes ago, Big Molio said:

Whose morality though? Because every player will have a view on that, and all of them will be different. There is no official consensus on what is acceptable and what isn't regarding destroying cargo, which is why it forms such a perennial debate.

I would say it's pretty much universally accepted that harming another players gaming experience does not fall on the "good" side of the morality fence. Including those that are doing the harming. 

 

Like the "Treat others as you want to be treated." kind of thing that most people just naturally know. 

 

Hey I gotta get back to real life work, good talk though. 

[Ice_cold2016]

3 hours ago, Jenkiiii said:

Don't worry about him, Voodoo, we've discussed this a thousand times already and it's very clear in this thread that attacking cargo is morally wrong.

Morally wrong? Depends who you ask as opinions vary as this thread shows.

 

The OP was in a group of high rank KD warriors that were attacking other players WHILE trying to deliver the cargo. That's partly why i destroyed him and the cargo in my Rogue. Selling in a full room AND attacking other players while delivering cargo is asking for trouble.  Still morally wrong to you?

[FlacidJack]

1 hour ago, stagolee said:

I know, but you have to glitch a solo public session

I lag out all the time (not on purpose) and also end up in small sessions where players are making easy money. There's no problem with taking advantge of a session without opponents, if there's no other players they spawn npcs.

[TheHunter1203]

14 minutes ago, Ice_cold2016 said:

Morally wrong? Depends who you ask as opinions vary as this thread shows.

 

The OP was in a group of high rank KD warriors that were attacking other players WHILE trying to deliver the cargo. That's partly why i destroyed him and the cargo in my Rogue. Selling in a full room AND attacking other players while delivering cargo is asking for trouble.  Still morally wrong to you?

I know my group of friends better than you bud. “KD warriors” and you’re asking why I’m calling you a tryhard/griefer. You’re making up such great stories, not being able to face the fact that you were still a dickhead for no reason. Someone may have killed anyone, so f*cking what? 

Edited June 14, 2018 by TheHunter1203

[Ice_cold2016]

2 hours ago, TheRipperOfLagoZancudo said:

 Also to people who says its a challenge, that is a lie and you know it lol

 

Selling cargo in a full room is also a challenge. Just as destroying a group of 5 or 6 high rank KD warriors in jets and deluxos trying to deliver cargo in a slow Rogue plane is also a challenge.

[TheHunter1203]

4 minutes ago, Ice_cold2016 said:

Selling cargo in a full room is also a challenge. Just as destroying a group of 5 or 6 high rank KD warriors in jets and deluxos trying to deliver cargo in a slow Rogue plane is also a challenge.

1 high rank in a skylift and 1 high rank in a deluxo hovering on the ground, off radar Rogue which is not slow at all. In fact it’s faster than all of those vehicles.

[Nutduster]

[Ice_cold2016]

1 hour ago, TheHunter1203 said:

I know my group of friends better than you bud. “KD warriors” and you’re asking why I’m calling you a tryhard/griefer. You’re making up such great stories, not being able to face the fact that you were still a dickhead for no reason. Someone may have killed anyone, so f*cking what? 

You and your friends were all high ranked 146 to 600+ and over half of them had KD ratios of 3.03 and higher. And you were blitzing the room in jets, deluxos and such while also trying to deliver cargo. lol

 

It wasn't as you claim. YOU were in a lazer jet. The Deluxo was also firing at me as were you in your jet. I had to deal with both of you and take the cargo out at the same time. Manual aim too as the Rogue didn't lock onto the cargo. Your just rank 600+ and hate being killed. You say so what if you and your gang killed people. Yet you sure get upset when i killed you and your gang! lol

 

You claim it is a dick move i destroyed your cargo. Yet you don't seem to think sending me 80+ angry text messages calling me a pussy, asshole, tryhard, griefer etc is a dick move. You even said you think the 80+ harrasing texts you sent me were the right thing to do! And that's your mindset! lol

 

I destroy cargo its a dick move. You and your friends are high rank KD warriors that go around blitzing everyone, demanding 1 on 1 at the beach from passive isn't a dick move? You sending me 80+ harrasing texts is also not a dick move? You coming here telling lies isn't a dick move? Okie doke! lol

 

Edited June 14, 2018 by Ice_cold2016

[Nutduster]

1 hour ago, TheRipperOfLagoZancudo said:

Also to people who says its a challenge, that is a lie and you know it lol

 

 

It was a challenge when I took out a full bunker sale using nothing but free-aimed Buzzard missiles on three different moving targets.  I felt like the king of assholes.  In fact I'm pretty sure I got called that.

[FlacidJack]

1 hour ago, TheRipperOfLagoZancudo said:

9 times out of time destroying cargo doesn't interest me. The grind out there is annoying so I sympathize. However some people should know better than selling in a packed session without in the very least scouting the entire map. There are many people who would love to screw you over just for 2000 dollars or just because. Of course someone could come after you if you're blinking red, the game telling the entire sessions, and on top of that getting texts to stop you. One just has to know better these days or they'll learn real quick how your days worth of grind can turn into zero. Also to people who says its a challenge, that is a lie and you know it lol

 

-snip-

I agreed up until you claim it's not a challenge. Have you ever sold or help sell a large amount of product in a crowded session?

It's a challenge to do everything required to sell for a $500k bonus and it's probably the most entertaining part of GTAO imo.

 

Try recruiting a decent team, choosing the right moment, then successfully selling or helping to sell five large warehouse in a crowded session... preferably during a 2x payout week for the ultimate payout (around 12 mil I think).

Then come tell me it wasn't a challenge

[Big Molio]

1 hour ago, Mach1bud said:

I would say it's pretty much universally accepted that harming another players gaming experience does not fall on the "good" side of the morality fence. Including those that are doing the harming. 

 

Like the "Treat others as you want to be treated." kind of thing that most people just naturally know. 

 

Hey I gotta get back to real life work, good talk though. 

You too fella.

 

I would just say that's where subjective comes in, because some players will just argue that they are playing the game and they aren't wrong from their point of view. They won't see it as "ruining an experience" simply, playing the game as presented. They get invited to destroy supplies by the game's designers and they get rewarded for destroying supplies by the game's designers, so whilst those on the receiving end of that will interpret it as a dick move, the players engaging in the destruction can't really be called morally bereft.

 

This is just one of those circular debates that has no real resolution, and whether it is acceptable or not will vary from player to player.

[Xiled]

When a friend challenged me to try to destroy there post op van sale using only a faggio and sticky bombs and I still managed to destroy it. Those using some overpowered vehicle to attack a post op van are not doing it for the tiny $2000, there doing it to be a d*ck. 

[Gemma_UK]

5 hours ago, Ice_cold2016 said:

More lies!

 

1.It was 5 or 6 of you VS me on my own. You say you just wanted to make some money. Well, i wanted to make some kills and the challenge of taking on a group of high rankers in jets, deluxos etc in a slow old plane. Your team were killing the room while delivering the cargo. Killing the room while delivering the cargo in a full room is asking for trouble. Several of your crew were high rank KD warriors.

 

2.I blew you and your jet out of the sky and instead of continuing to protect your team you chose to flood me with salty messages instead. You are rank 600+ and hated the fact you got killed. Then went passive and demanded 1 on 1 at the beach, called me a pussy and more.

 

3.I never said go cry. You flooded me with texts so i said "It is just a game stop crying"but you were raging.

 

4. It was a challenge. That's what i like to do in GTA. I like to take on entire high rank groups on my own, bite off more than i can chew for the love of the challenge. You were all high ranked ranking from around 146 to 600+. You were 600+ and in a Lazer jet protecting the cargo. I was in a slow Rogue plane taking on you in a lazer jet, some guy in a Deluxo at the same time AND trying to destroy the cargo. I beat all 3 of you. That was a challenge not many could have pulled off. My Rogue plane wouldn't even lock onto the cargo, i had to manual aim. Than in itself is a challenge in a wobbly Rogue. I got satisfaction from it. And after all the salty texts from you i'm glad i destroyed your cargo. I'd do it again.

 

5. Moral of the story is it is just a game and people have different playstyles and opinions. Not everyone thinks like you do. If playing the game makes you rage and get upset then why play it.

 

6. Tits.

 

Smooches.

lmao @ Number 6

 

By the looks of things it sounds like the OP was asking to have his cargo destroyed. The OP wants it one way but not the other.  If it was 6 vs 1 and they were high rank high kd in jet's and deluxos then they appear to be tryhards themselves. People with a high rank and kd usually tend to be people who love to kill but hate to be killed. They use jets, deluxos, send nasty text messages from passive asking for 1 on 1 at the beach and so on and so fourth.

 

I don't see anything wrong with destroying it. It's part of the game and encouraged. I don't mind when people destroy mine as it is just a game and i'm mature enough and wise enough to know it is just a game. I'm not going to start crying and get all angry and hostile over it. That's a bit mad if you ask me. I have more important real world stuff to worry about that what someone did in a game.

[TheRipperOfLagoZancudo]

1 hour ago, FlacidJack said:

I agreed up until you claim it's not a challenge. Have you ever sold or help sell a large amount of product in a crowded session?

It's a challenge to do everything required to sell for a $500k bonus and it's probably the most entertaining part of GTAO imo.

 

Try recruiting a decent team, choosing the right moment, then successfully selling or helping to sell five large warehouse in a crowded session... preferably during a 2x payout week for the ultimate payout (around 12 mil I think).

Then come tell me it wasn't a challenge

Yes I've had some heart racing moments when selling in a full lobby with randoms when i just can not get my friends to help. I can't do the 5 warehouses lol, too much of a grind imho. I'll opt for a full 2x bunker one instead lol

[Dr.Rosenthal]

1 hour ago, Gemma_UK said:

I don't see anything wrong with destroying it. It's part of the game and encouraged. I don't mind when people destroy mine as it is just a game and i'm mature enough and wise enough to know it is just a game. I'm not going to start crying and get all angry and hostile over it. That's a bit mad if you ask me. I have more important real world stuff to worry about that what someone did in a game.

 

You don't mind? You don't mind, when you've done x amount of pickups, hurled crates back and forth across the map for hours on end, when you have PAID with in-game currency for every one of those packages as well as paid with your time spent grinding, and someone who just happens to pass by blows up your cargo with a few explosive cannon rounds and flies away? I call bullsh*t.

 

This discussion can go on forever. There's "good guy"-stuff we can do, and there's "bad guy"-stuff. In a sense, I like it that GTAO has a lot of griefers and tryhards because I feel like it ups my game, and it requires skill of those who play it. But I don't think there's any way around saying "Blowing someone's cargo is a sh*tty thing to do." It just is. Period. Especially so when you've got the upper hand. But then you're not just a dick but a coward at that, too.

 

Edit: Oh, I forgot to add; about the last part of your paragraph when you said you have more important real world stuff to worry about - I think most of us would agree with that. Which is why when I grind in this game (and put my important time away from other important stuff) I don't want that time to be completely wasted, which it is if someone blows up my cargo. Which in turn might make people rage.

 

I don't really whine about having my cargo blown up anymore because it never is, because I'm using methods that have proven to work for me to get it done more safely. So in a sense, I guess I too would agree to some extent with "If you sell cargo in a crowded session, it's your own fault if you get blown up." Still is a sh*tty thing to do to someone though, doesn't change that.

Edited June 14, 2018 by Dr.Rosenthal

[TheHunter1203]

2 hours ago, Ice_cold2016 said:

You and your friends were all high ranked 146 to 600+ and over half of them had KD ratios of 3.03 and higher. And you were blitzing the room in jets, deluxos and such while also trying to deliver cargo. lol

 

It wasn't as you claim. YOU were in a lazer jet. The Deluxo was also firing at me as were you in your jet. I had to deal with both of you and take the cargo out at the same time. Manual aim too as the Rogue didn't lock onto the cargo. Your just rank 600+ and hate being killed. You say so what if you and your gang killed people. Yet you sure get upset when i killed you and your gang! lol

 

You claim it is a dick move i destroyed your cargo. Yet you don't seem to think sending me 80+ angry text messages calling me a pussy, asshole, tryhard, griefer etc is a dick move. You even said you think the 80+ harrasing texts you sent me were the right thing to do! And that's your mindset! lol

 

I destroy cargo its a dick move. You and your friends are high rank KD warriors that go around blitzing everyone, demanding 1 on 1 at the beach from passive isn't a dick move? You sending me 80+ harrasing texts is also not a dick move? You coming here telling lies isn't a dick move? Okie doke! lol

 

1. You did not kill me at any point, you recorded that one too? I bet you didn’t because I was on the other side of the city delevering the other half THEN came to you to get revenge. And even then you hid where I couldn’t get you so I started messaging.

 

2. We aren’t KD warriors in any way, my kd is about average and so are my friends’s. Why does this even come into play, I don’t even care about a digital number I just rather not get killed.

 

3. Me and my friend who was the seller hadn’t killed anyone ever in that whole session. Maybe someone else got a kill, it may have even been for protecting purposes but who gives a sh*te.

[Shade04rek]

Not wrong, but a sad, cheap, and boring way to play. It's more fun to join others and help them sell or "bodygaurd" them if you really have nothing else to do. It's also more fun to go up against players than can fight back.

[Nutduster]

9 minutes ago, TheHunter1203 said:

1. You did not kill me at any point, you recorded that one too? I bet you didn’t because I was on the other side of the city delevering the other half THEN came to you to get revenge. And even then you hid where I couldn’t get you so I started messaging.

 

2. We aren’t KD warriors in any way, my kd is about average and so are my friends’s. Why does this even come into play, I don’t even care about a digital number I just rather not get killed.

 

3. Me and my friend who was the seller hadn’t killed anyone ever in that whole session. Maybe someone else got a kill, it may have even been for protecting purposes but who gives a sh*te.

 

How long are you two gonna keep this up without getting a room... I mean, uh, taking it to PM?  You're off-topic in your own thread and no one really wants to read stuff that usually is rightly confined to misspelled messages on XBox Live.

[Ice_cold2016]

1 hour ago, Dr.Rosenthal said:

 

You don't mind? You don't mind, when you've done x amount of pickups, hurled crates back and forth across the map for hours on end, when you have PAID with in-game currency for every one of those packages as well as paid with your time spent grinding, and someone who just happens to pass by blows up your cargo with a few explosive cannon rounds and flies away? I call bullsh*t.

 

This discussion can go on forever. There's "good guy"-stuff we can do, and there's "bad guy"-stuff. In a sense, I like it that GTAO has a lot of griefers and tryhards because I feel like it ups my game, and it requires skill of those who play it. But I don't think there's any way around saying "Blowing someone's cargo is a sh*tty thing to do." It just is. Period. Especially so when you've got the upper hand. But then you're not just a dick but a coward at that, too.

 

Edit: Oh, I forgot to add; about the last part of your paragraph when you said you have more important real world stuff to worry about - I think most of us would agree with that. Which is why when I grind in this game (and put my important time away from other important stuff) I don't want that time to be completely wasted, which it is if someone blows up my cargo. Which in turn might make people rage.

 

I don't really whine about having my cargo blown up anymore because it never is, because I'm using methods that have proven to work for me to get it done more safely. So in a sense, I guess I too would agree to some extent with "If you sell cargo in a crowded session, it's your own fault if you get blown up." Still is a sh*tty thing to do to someone though, doesn't change that.

I don't care if people destroy mine either. In fact i actually sell in full rooms and i welcome people to try and destroy my cargo. That's where all the fun is, the challenge of it. The topic was "Was it wrong" not if people like it happening to them or not. It isn't wrong. Morally wrong? Depends who you ask, opinions vary.

1 hour ago, TheHunter1203 said:

1. You did not kill me at any point, you recorded that one too? I bet you didn’t because I was on the other side of the city delevering the other half THEN came to you to get revenge. And even then you hid where I couldn’t get you so I started messaging.

 

2. We aren’t KD warriors in any way, my kd is about average and so are my friends’s. Why does this even come into play, I don’t even care about a digital number I just rather not get killed.

 

3. Me and my friend who was the seller hadn’t killed anyone ever in that whole session. Maybe someone else got a kill, it may have even been for protecting purposes but who gives a sh*te.

1. I killed you in ya jet mate and you still hate it. lol You were right beside the cargbob cargo as was the Deluxo. I took you out in ya jet first, then switched back an fourth between the Deluxo and cargbob and took them out to. As soon as you respawned you went passive and started rage texting ya little socks off demanding i get to the beach for 1 on 1. lol Proof: https://ibb.co/gwkDZd An yeah i have the video of it on my PS4. Will sort it out when i get chance. I never hid anywhere, i continued to run around playing. It was you who hid in passive. Your high rank high KD mates were killing people one after the other to rack up their KD's. I don't go passive or blow myself up or EWO. Not my style. Smooches.

 

Edited June 14, 2018 by Ice_cold2016

[Dr.Rosenthal]

Well... there you have it. If people don't like certain stuff happening to them, it's morally wrong to make said stuff happen to them. But now I'm coming off all police-y here and I'm actually quite anarchistic in nature.

 

If you want to continue questioning moral, well-grounded beliefs and value theory I suggest you take up a course in either Practical or Theoretical Philosophy. I did, and it was the most pleasurable waste of time imaginable.

[TheHunter1203]

11 minutes ago, Ice_cold2016 said:

I don't care if people destroy mine either. In fact i actually sell in full rooms and i welcome people to try and destroy my cargo. That's where all the fun is, the challenge of it. The topic was "Was it wrong" not if people like it happening to them or not. It isn't wrong. Morally wrong? Depends who you ask, opinions vary.

1. I killed you in ya jet mate and you still hate it. lol You were right beside the cargbob cargo as was the Deluxo. I took you out in ya jet first, then switched back an fourth between the Deluxo and cargbob and took them out to. As soon as you respawned you went passive and started rage texting ya little socks off demanding i get to the beach for 1 on 1. lol Proof: https://ibb.co/gwkDZd An yeah i have the video of it on my PS4. Will sort it out when i get chance. Smooches.

 

I hate the fact that you lie about it, I clearly explained what actually happened but you keep making up your own stories. 

 

The message once again, it’s some general lines I stated after you said “Go cry”. They weren’t meant for you.

 

Interested in the video, lets see if you have it from start to end.

[Big Molio]

4 hours ago, Black-Dragon96 said:

 

1. GTA is not a competetiv PvP game. It never was and never will be.

I honestly would not even call it a PvP game, since there is a lot more than just PvP.

GTA online is mostly concerned with player versus player, either playing individually as a lone wolf or, as Rockstar seemingly imagine to be the ideal, organisation versus organisation.

 

What has happened in the evolution of GTAO is that Freemode, which was in the early days just a holding facility for players waiting to join race, contact mission, deathmatch lobbies etc, has now become the main play arena, with much more play features and things to do. All these DLC’s that have come out are designed to be PvP. 

 

Its just that it doesn’t quite work as Rockstar seem to think it does.

 

What they imagine happens is that teams of well-organised CEO organisations or Motorcycle Clubs made up of off-line friends work together across the map holding off opposing teams, both using all the toys that they have available. It’s all good clean, balanced fun, and all players in a lobby have exciting team skirmishes up and down the map whilst delivering product or cars. 

 

In reality, randoms club together in disorganised chaos, lone wolf players struggle on their own, jets and Deluxos fly around shooting at everything that moves and it’s generally a complete sh*t show.

 

But it is definitely PvP orientated. Just badly done.

[Rumblebud]

Last time I checked...games were meant to be fun, and satisfying.

Frustration ain't fun at all. (especially grinding) No siree.

 

Edited June 14, 2018 by bantonson15

[CosmicBuffalo]

No, your friend was wrong to think a random person playing a game would care if that he spent time to making money in an online game.  You were wrong to message him inquiring whether he cared, he obviously didnt and gave the standard reply.  He was probably hoping you messaged so he could laugh to himself.

 

  If I am bored, I will target all things red on the minimap.  They are red dots floating around the map. Many people attack other players for much less visible things, being low level, being high level, modded accounts, high k/d, etc... R* should actually make it worth it to blow up someone's stuff or even better make stealing it worth it, I stole someone's IE car and got a measley 5K. Should have been 50k.