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DarthMaster09

Red Dead Redemption is not the masterpiece it used to be.

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DarthMaster09
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This it strictly my opinion but I think it's the truth. Red Dead Redemption revolutionized the open world genre back in 2010 but it also aged horribly. With Red Dead Redemption 2 coming out soon, Red Dead Redemption will become the piece of crap it should of been. I really loved playing Red Dead Redemption back then, don't get me wrong but when we play Red Dead Redemption 2, we'll realize how overrated Red Dead Redemption really was. Red Dead Redemption 2 will definitely be much better than its predecessor. I don't know why people think that it will take a lot for Red Dead Redemption 2 to be better than Red Dead Redemption. Red Dead Redemption is a disappointment now, especially with Red Dead Redemption 2 on the horizon. Sure it had a great story and realistic physics but the overall gameplay is bland and the graphics look like sh*t now. Red Dead Redemption's missions were extremely repetitive that involved killing enemies in almost every mission. There was also not much to interact with and do in the world besides riding your horse, minigames, etc. Red Dead Redemption 2 will destroy Red Dead Redemption in every way possible. The missions will be much more diverse and unique like GTA 5 and the overall gameplay will be much more interactive such as communicating with NPCs, more interiors to do things in, animals that are much more alive, and so much more that we don't know about yet. I can't wait for Red Dead Redemption 2. Red Dead Redemption is the past and is not the masterpiece it used to be.

Edited by DarthMaster09

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DexMacLeod

It was kinda hard to decipher that giant wall of text but I have to disagree with most of what you said. Yeah, parts of it haven't aged well but to say that makes it overrated and a disappointment is just silly. Just because the medium has evolved since it was released doesn't retroactively discount all the things the game did. 

 

I'll admit I have a hard time going back to it these days, mainly because of how badly the main character controls. It's just such a weird stance to say that because a sequel, that will obviously be much more advanced, is coming out the last one was an overrated disappointment.

 

It sorta feels like you're just trying to get people riled up.

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DarthMaster09
5 minutes ago, DexMacLeod said:

It was kinda hard to decipher that giant wall of text but I have to disagree with most of what you said. Yeah, parts of it haven't aged well but to say that makes it overrated and a disappointment is just silly. Just because the medium has evolved since it was released doesn't retroactively discount all the things the game did. 

 

I'll admit I have a hard time going back to it these days, mainly because of how badly the main character controls. It's just such a weird stance to say that because a sequel, that will obviously be much more advanced, is coming out the last one was an overrated disappointment.

 

It sorta feels like you're just trying to get people riled up.

You may not agree with most of what I said, but do you agree that Red Dead Redemption 2 will be much better that its predecessor? I really hope so because I wasn't a big fan of the first one.

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pjw
Just now, DarthMaster09 said:

You may not agree with most of what I said, but do you agree that Red Dead Redemption 2 will be much better that its predecessor? I really hope so because I wasn't a big fan of the first one.

Technically speaking I'm sure it will be, 8 years have passed since RDR and they're working on the newer generation of consoles. Whether it will be better as a complete package, all things considered, remains to be seen.

 

If you don't mind me saying, it's kind of odd that you're excited for RDR2 if you weren't a big fan of the first one. Is this some kind of elaborate trolling? lol

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Jason

If you look at every classic as a game released now the majority of them look and play like hell, which is why it's a bit silly to do it. It's 8 years old, ofc it's gonna be dated in areas, but you know this if you play it these days.

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happygrowls

>Red Dead Redemption is a disappointment

 

yeah uh no, sorry, I really find that hard to believe, if you believe the game is outdated, then you're correct.

 

then by your logic GTA IV and San Andreas are disappointing because they're out of date games

 

also judging a game by graphics is just a big no from me, RDR still looks amazing esp on Xbox One X with 4k res.

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J.Dillinger Blackheart

Imho, Of course I feel like the game will be better than the original. They have moved on in terms of tech and everything since then. Of course some may never feel like the original can be beat. For me RDR had bits that I liked like the gameplay, minigames, the environment, gore. the story wasn't my favorite tho. If they build on what worked for RDR thoroughly and fix what they didn't like or feel didn't work then i don't see why it doesn't have the potential to be better.

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DexMacLeod

@DarthMaster09 I'm curious as to when you first played Redemption? I think I could understand your viewpoint if it was years after release. The level of praise and hype Red Dead Redemption has received is a lot for any game to live up to. I can't imagine how high my expectations would be if I were just turning it on for the first time within the last few years.

 

I had a reaction like that to Bully. I didn't give it a shot until like three or four years ago and it just didn't live up to my expectations. Just never really got into it.

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Or the games are fine and modern games have spoiled us with there graphics. Modern graphics however do not make a game better than an older one. Games aging well or poorly is subjective. We now live in the "graphics generation" where people see old graphics and say the games are sh*t just on that alone. Some people have never played games in resolutions lower than 1080p. Red Dead Redemption looks great for a 2010 game. GTA San Andreas came out 14 years ago and still gets a lot of praise for how good it is. GTA IV for example came out 5.5 years before gta v and still has a higher metacritic score than gta v. Its voted the 3rd best game of all time. Besides people are gonna say RDR2 didnt age well in 10 years. Just look at gta v on oldgen consoles for example. Will rdr2 look better than rdr2 well yes obviously but graphics alone dont make it better automatically. GTA 5 has the best graphics of any gta game but is lacking in so many other areas. Sorry that games didnt have the technology they have now. 

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SneakyDeaky

"Piece of crap it should have been." "The graphics look like sh*t now." "Red Dead Redemption's missions were extremely repetitive that involved killing enemies in almost every mission."

Ten year old account.

The trolling is subtle on this one...

 

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PapasHota

Disagree 100% RDR is still king in open world games, if RDR2 is half as great as RDR im more than happy

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UnknownDivision

I have no doubt that RDR 2 will be better in every way other than the story, i just can't see the story being better than RDR's. Too many characters to focus on and (from what we've seen so far) the story doesn't really seem like it will spend time developing Arthur as much as RDR did with John. Which is understandable because the narrative is gonna be a lot different in RDR 2 but for some reason i get the feeling that Arthur is gonna essentially be in the middle of everyone else, providing, mediating, supporting all the members of the gang; and there won't be a lot of time devoted to just him as a character. His whole presentation just isnt very interesting to me either, like i dont look at him and go "wow he looks f*cking badass, i cant wait to see where the story takes him", like i did with John. 

 

Thats my two cents on everything. Not that anyone cares....

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Mach1bud

Well, 100% disagree with literally every single word OP says.

 

I am literally replaying RDR right now, on PS Now even, and it is still a masterpiece in all aspects. It's literally paused on my TV so I can type this.

 

Of course RDR2 will be better, no sh*t, it's almost a decade newer game. Story-wise is yet to be seen however.

 

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Am Shaegar

I am not a big admirer of RDR 1. Find it quite overrated though mechanically it was a solid game over the GTA that released before RDR 1. The story was the biggest disappointing aspect of the first game, and expectedly, I am in the minority here, so I won't go in explanation any further to detail my criticism about the awful story.

I understand your point regarding RDR 2 being better than 1, but its way too earlyy to conclude that. Its just going to lead more unnecessary arguments and sentiments hurt, especially, when there's no way to support the claims of 2 being better than 1 in any given areas of the franchise, be it story or gameplay.

It would have been better, if you used the actual in game evidence to show RDR 2 being the better of the two.

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anthony
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Silent troll..

 

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Red Dead Redemption revolutionized the open world genre back in 2010 but it also aged horribly

 

Edited by anthony

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Cutter De Blanc
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I like how even the OP is like "Red Dead sucks, except in all of the ways it doesn't"

Like even this hot take trying to bash Red Dead ends up praising it, the game is just that good.

Edited by Cutter De Blanc

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ThroatSlasher2

Hum. What?

Just finished my 100% playthrough of Red Dead a few days ago and not only was it better than the other times I played it but its probably the game that's aged the best from my collection. In all honesty, this game is better than GTA V by MILES. The interactivity and replayability still leaves me amazed to this day. 

 

I really don't know what you're talking about. 

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Algonquin Assassin

I'm playing through RDR atm on my XB1 and though the character models are starting to show their age the world detail is still as amazing now as it was in 2010. I'm sure RDR2 will be a great game too, but that doesn't mean RDR will become obsolete. Plenty of people still play GTA IV over GTA V.

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GourangaMaster

Interesting take there but...

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Dr.Rosenthal

As I no longer possess a copy of the game, as well as no PS3, and live outside PS Now-territory - I started viewing a playthrough of the game on YouTube a few days ago. It was entertaining and a bit nostalgic. And it honestly struck me how good it looked despite being a last-gen game.

 

That said, there is a world of difference in graphics compared to Red Dead 2. Naturally.

 

I honestly don’t really see the point of OP’s post. It’s already established that RDR was one of the best games of the last generation, so there’s no doubt about that. But of course gameplay and graphics evolve with time which makes older games seem less appealing. I tried playing through Metal Gear Solid but grew tired of it in part because I knew the story, but mostly because gameplay felt so limited compared to contemporary titles.

 

Also you say there was nothing to do, but I remember doing the Outfit/Survivalist/Hunting challenges for hours and hours on end. It was very entertaining to me.

 

Sorry for the rant.

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SDJ
11 hours ago, ThroatSlasher2 said:

Hum. What?

Just finished my 100% playthrough of Red Dead a few days ago and not only was it better than the other times I played it but its probably the game that's aged the best from my collection. In all honesty, this game is better than GTA V by MILES. The interactivity and replayability still leaves me amazed to this day. 

 

I really don't know what you're talking about. 

This.

I play it for the third time on my Xbox in 4K right now. And i'm so amazed how great it looks today. 

Even todays open world games like ACO (or even the Witcher 3 world, which is a great Game) doesn't feel alive and natural like the 2010s Red Dead Redemption. I guess you don't know what you are talking about. 

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rickyboy123

You're comparing a game made over 8 years ago to today's standards of gaming, that's where you automatically lost any merit in what you're saying. RDR is legit the most recent 10/10 game I've played, granted I don't play too many games but that game is a modern masterpiece. If RDR 2 can come anywhere close to the standard the original set then that will be an achievement in itself. 

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geordr

Well, it's been 8 years since the first one and time counts different for videogames, 8 years is waaay too long, it's more like 15 years.

 

I have to admit, I fired up my old PS3 recently just to refresh my memory about RDR, played it for a couple of days and I was somehow dissapointed of how the game controls , especially horse riding and running-walking on foot.

They both felt very outdated.

But, I remember back in 2010 it was one of the best gaming experiences of my life and these memories cannot be erased.

 

 

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JaberDoe
1 minute ago, geordr said:

Well, it's been 8 years since the first one and time counts different for videogames, 8 years is waaay too long, it's more like 15 years.

 

I have to admit, I fired up my old PS3 recently just to refresh my memory about RDR, played it for a couple of days and I was somehow dissapointed of how the game controls , especially horse riding and running-walking on foot.

They both felt very outdated.

But, I remember back in 2010 it was one of the best gaming experiences of my life and these memories cannot be erased.

 

 

I'd say those memories you had in 2010 are what will stick with you.  Once in a lifetime experience, bud.

 

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Nutduster
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This just in: games age and newer versions of the same idea will be mechanically and technically superior.

 

In most other respects, and especially considered in its proper context of when it came out, I think RDR was and is a masterpiece.  Like Mach I have replayed it recently and IMO it holds up.  I don't need RDR2 to blow it away; honestly I'm just hoping the new game is AS GOOD as the original.  Put another way, if they remastered the original and just updated the graphics and some of the jankier animations, it would still be one of the best current open-world games, for my money.

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KWF1981
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Without doubt, the technical's will be far superior, but that's natural with time.

 

But for me, this game is quite literally the best R* created to date, and not much in story can compare from GTA since, maybe GTA IV, it indeed will be very good if they can hit me with a great story like before. Still to this day, the atmosphere and mood of this game are just fantastic. It's one game I genuinely feel has aged very well because of it's stark, lonely world. The graphics are pretty damn good still, IMHO.

 

To each their own though, or horses for course, lol. But for me, RDR was a real game changing game, made me look at western movies far differently and indeed many became huge favourites of mine. (I'll visit that thread shortly, lol). I've seen may knock this game because 'it's cowboys' or what ever they can, but to me, this game is irreplaceable in my gaming library/history.

 

It lead me to Deadwood. And that's just about the best TV I've seen, lol.

Edited by KWF1981
Not almost irreplaceable, it is. ;)

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Nick Testbranch

It's still a masterpiece.

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GenericGTAO

One of the greatest game, still playable.  So much better than IV.  RDR2 is gonna be good, but it all the little details we havent seen that will make or break RDR2 legacy.  microtransactions and their implementation will also factor heavily.

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Journey_95

No, I just played RDR a few months ago and its still a masterpiece. No need to sh*t on it just because RDR2 looks great

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xwinkx_girlYakuza

One of the greatest game ever and always will be. The first video game i shed my tears for and upon replaying it still does. Masterpiece!

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