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Donnie IKID

Gang Control in Lc, 1986

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Donnie IKID

So we know the forellis were the dominating mafia familiy in Lc at the time, but do you think they're were additional mafia families that we never heard of?

 

Also another thing to consider is LCS as gangs such as yardies, cartel, triads etc. Were seen as minor gangs and they're started to acquire forelli and sindaco territory 

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Skayz

Forellis were the most powerful mafia family and they controlled a part of Saint Mark 'till 1992, while the other part belonged to Leone Family because there was Salvatore Leone's mansion. Sindaccos became an important family after the murder of Sonny Forelli by Tommy Vercetti. 
Hoods and Yardies didn't exist in 1986, because they'd have been formed 12 years after, in 1998, thanks the help of Toni Cipriani.
I think that Triads already existed during 80s since Chinatown is a big and important district, populated by the Chinese community.
For the Yakuza, I don't know, but probably they'd have arrived in LC a decade after, during 90s. 
Diablos probably were already existing as a Latino gang active in Hepburn Heights and in the Red Light District. El Burro (Diablo Leader) was mentioned by Diaz in Supply & Demand.
For the Columbian Cartel, I think that it's formed by ex-Diaz's men, arrived in LC during the end of the 80s/beginning of the 90s.

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Evil empire

It's too bad the scenario doesn't develop about the mafias' relationship in Liberty City in 1986. It would give a good justification to the fact Sonny takes a so long time before coming in Vice City.

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Donnie IKID
On 6/5/2018 at 10:04 PM, Skayz said:

Forellis were the most powerful mafia family and they controlled a part of Saint Mark 'till 1992, while the other part belonged to Leone Family because there was Salvatore Leone's mansion. Sindaccos became an important family after the murder of Sonny Forelli by Tommy Vercetti. 
Hoods and Yardies didn't exist in 1986, because they'd have been formed 12 years after, in 1998, thanks the help of Toni Cipriani.
I think that Triads already existed during 80s since Chinatown is a big and important district, populated by the Chinese community.
For the Yakuza, I don't know, but probably they'd have arrived in LC a decade after, during 90s. 
Diablos probably were already existing as a Latino gang active in Hepburn Heights and in the Red Light District. El Burro (Diablo Leader) was mentioned by Diaz in Supply & Demand.
For the Columbian Cartel, I think that it's formed by ex-Diaz's men, arrived in LC during the end of the 80s/beginning of the 90s.

Well El burro wasnt a gang boss I don't think because the diablos were a weak gang to begin with in lcs. Couldve been under mafia control. 

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Skayz
35 minutes ago, ikid2468 said:

Well El burro wasnt a gang boss I don't think because the diablos were a weak gang to begin with in lcs. Couldve been under mafia control. 

Maybe they were a small gang

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Donnie IKID
45 minutes ago, Skayz said:

Maybe they were a small gang

On 6/5/2018 at 10:04 PM, Skayz said:

Forellis were the most powerful mafia family and they controlled a part of Saint Mark 'till 1992, while the other part belonged to Leone Family because there was Salvatore Leone's mansion. Sindaccos became an important family after the murder of Sonny Forelli by Tommy Vercetti. 
Hoods and Yardies didn't exist in 1986, because they'd have been formed 12 years after, in 1998, thanks the help of Toni Cipriani.
I think that Triads already existed during 80s since Chinatown is a big and important district, populated by the Chinese community.
For the Yakuza, I don't know, but probably they'd have arrived in LC a decade after, during 90s. 
Diablos probably were already existing as a Latino gang active in Hepburn Heights and in the Red Light District. El Burro (Diablo Leader) was mentioned by Diaz in Supply & Demand.
For the Columbian Cartel, I think that it's formed by ex-Diaz's men, arrived in LC during the end of the 80s/beginning of the 9

 

Highly Doubt it tho

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sneakyboi23334

A Liberty Tree article in Rockstar's website says that Salvatore Leone came to power during the mid-1980s, but I don't think that's necessarily the time the family was established. I believe he overthrew his uncle (that appears at the end of LCS) by taking advantage of the Forellis' rise to power..

 

After Sonny's death, he was replaced by Marco Forelli who you kill as CJ in the mission "Saint Mark's Bistro", after that Franco Forelli took control of the family but it's unknown if he's alive or not since he might have died in the explosion at Little Italy (Fort Staunton) in LCS. Whether he died or not, Mike "Lips" Forelli most likely became the leader, who you kill in "Mike Lips' Last Lunch" but this still doesn't seem to have completely wiped out the Forellis as they attack you again in another mission for Joey Leone.

 

The Sindaccos were completely pushed out of the city in 1998 and had to retreat to Las Venturas because Paulie Sindacco was killed which weakened their hold in the city.

 

Another Liberty Tree article says the Yakuza arrived in Liberty City during the 70s so they probably held presence in the city for quite a while. This probably also applies for the Triads as well since the Chinese population in real-life New York City arrived after the Norwegians had left in the 50s and the 60s.

 

Also, you're wrong about the Hoods and the Yardies not existing in 1986. The Mafia War in 1998 empowered them, not established. Leon McAffrey says that he "owes the Yardies a favour", suggesting that they were around before the events of the game.

 

The Colombian Cartel can't be Diaz' men, their leader in 2000 is Cisco, who mentions that he hands out forged IDs to Latino immigrants who came there for legitimate work. Most of their men are probably from Colombia or other Latino countries because Cisco says that he was a Colombian who was born in Mexico. The VCPD Crime Tree in Rockstar's official website says Ricardo Diaz bribed the INS for a green card in 1978, if the Colombian Cartel originated from Diaz' Gang, they would be too old to function as a gang since most of them would be middle aged between 1998-2001.

 

The Diablos seemed to have an adequate presence in the city in 1998, even though they don't own any turf until the Calm Before the Storm mission. But I don't think they would be a small gang, if they were, the Sicilian Mafia wouldn't contact them. They were probably established in the city throughout the late 80's.

 

I'll also read the Liberty Tree articles on GTA LCS's website when I have time, it might have a bit more information regarding the criminal history of the city.

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Donnie IKID

They maybe said yakuza businessmen came in the 70s but in the article said how they are an organised crime now. They likely formed during late 80s or early 90s. I don't think they owned turf during 86, they started to make more of a dominating presence in lcs. 

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sneakyboi23334

How do you come to that conclusion though? There was never anything in the game that suggests when the Yakuza owned turf and when they did not.

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Donnie IKID

Because clearly in the liberty tree article, they said how Japanese businessmen came in the 70s but they compare it to 2001 which states how the yakuza gang are a threat in LC. They only really started to make a name for themselves in LCS as they took advantage of the mafia wars but later pushed back by toni. 

 

Besides LCS helps us to give us a idea as this was 12 years after 86. I'm not saying that they definitely did not own turf but all I'm just saying is what saying what the main gangs were probably were.  It's just speculation after all

 

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sneakyboi23334

The war between the Mafia wasn't the point of their establishment, they existed in Liberty City way before that.

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Donnie IKID
12 minutes ago, Hendrik498 said:

The war between the Mafia wasn't the point of their establishment, they existed in Liberty City way before that.

 

Listen we can't assume every gang in gta 3 was in 1986, they more likely formed during 90s and this was pretty much the main last mafia war in 98 which helped  the upbringing of the other gangs. They could've possibly owned fronts instead. 

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sneakyboi23334

Your statement that they formed in the 90s is an assumption as well. The Mafia Wars in 1998 allowed the Yakuza to significantly grow in power, not form.

 

In the official website of GTA Liberty City Stories, you can check out Ned Burner's e-mails, in one of which it's revealed that Kazuki sent an e-mail to Kenji (who was in Japan), asking for advice about his relations with Toshiko, 3 months before the events of the game.

 

You're assuming that the Yakuza formed in 1998, and without any evidence. Judging by their nature, they were probably around a lot longer than that.

 

The Yakuza are legally considered businessman in Japan, so it would make sense for the article to call them businessman as well. They undoubtedly formed in 1970s.

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Donnie IKID

Well this thread is an assumption pretty much. 

 

But I highly doubt the yakuza was a main gang or perhaps existed in 86. I was just hoping to go more in depth about the unknown gangs. I Could only wish rockstar could make comics about vercettis past. 

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sneakyboi23334

Yeah, that would actually be quite cool. And yeah, you're right there, I was simply trying to say that the Yakuza existed in Liberty City in 1986, not that they were a major faction, sorry for the confusion.

 

I have a fanfiction project about Liberty City in 1959, perhaps it would catch your interest.

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Donnie IKID
18 minutes ago, Hendrik498 said:

Yeah, that would actually be quite cool. And yeah, you're right there, I was simply trying to say that the Yakuza existed in Liberty City in 1986, not that they were a major faction, sorry for the confusion.

 

I have a fanfiction project about Liberty City in 1959, perhaps it would catch your interest.

Damm its been long since I had debates, yeah they must presumably owned sushi restaurants or something.  I also want to say about the cartel might have been in vc before as you may have said how they are pretty much middle aged. All I can say is their dialogue and appearance kind of reflect on it. 

 

Sure why not

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sneakyboi23334

They were probably established in 1978, as that's when their leader got to the city, he took over once the Mendez Cartel was wiped out by Vic Vance in 1984.

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