GTA Plus Enjoyer Posted June 2, 2018 Share Posted June 2, 2018 It seems like every character from Liberty City in GTA 4 that moved to San Andreas is ruined, like: Johnny Klebitz turned into a methhead, drug addict, he's weak, and he dies. Ashley too, wtf happened to her? Packie McReary used to be successful, he robbed a bank in LC, and now he's struggling to rob a store in LS (if it wasn't for the protagonost that saves him, he'd be in jail). Poppy used to be different in LC, now she's ugly af tbh Michelle/Karen was so nice in GTA IV, and now she's all rude and stuff (although it might've been a disguise in GTA IV) The list can go on... it's like San Andreas is ruining people for some reason. What are your opinions on it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crossbones Posted June 2, 2018 Share Posted June 2, 2018 (edited) I gotta agree with that. They ruined Packie, Johnny, Ashley, Clay, Terry. This characters could have been so awesome if used properly. Johnny along with the Lost MC would have been such a great antagonist to Trevor but no they thought Wei Cheng and Triads seem good as antagonist. Packie, he's one of my favorite character in entire GTA series and they kinda ruined him too. I don't know why bringing him back seemed as a good idea. Clay and Terry are so easily killed in the mission like they were just some Lost MC goons. I really don't care much about Ashley, Poppy and Rocco though. Edited June 2, 2018 by Crossbones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tycek Posted June 2, 2018 Share Posted June 2, 2018 (edited) I got to agree with that; none of the cameos was really well done and none was necessary. None of them added anything substantial and some of them even ruined the game in one way or another in my opinion. - Packie is one of the best characters in IV and one of few Niko really could call friend. His cameo in V wouldn't be that bad actually, since we know he left LC after the events of IV. Problem is he completely ruins the balance of the heists, because he feels like one of these pre-order items you may get for some games (armors, weapons and cars with better stats than base items). Who wouldn't use Packie (unless you have some deep hatred for the game like some members here) when he has higher skills level and is cheaper than others gunmen, not to mention he's the only one with proper background? - Johnny, Terry and Clay are completely unnecessary and brought nothing more than a cheap shock. They could easily be replaced by random AoD members, whose death would have exactly the same impact on the rest of the story. What R* achieved by Johnny's and his brothers' deaths was just an unnecessary outrage amongst TLaD fans. Some people said it happened that way, because nobody really cared for TLaD and not many people played it. If that is true anyone could be killed for the same outcome, since not many people knew who Johnny was, thus his dead didn't really make Trevor more bad ass. And inclusion of The Lost really showed weakness of GTA V plot, because if story about dysfunctional motorcycle gang with four members including one cripple, led by meth head, who somehow became drug fueled Che Guevara, could rise to incredible number and defeat worldwide known gang in their home state isn't weak that I don't know what is. - Rest of the characters including Karen/ULPC guy, Rocco, Marnie, Poppy, etc. could be easily changed into someone else without any losses to the plot. Would we really lose something of worth if Rocco was replaced by another movie agent called John Smith? Was Karen really that important that only she could say the flashlight statement? I don't think so. Edited June 2, 2018 by Tycek D9fred95, SanLiberty, Pink Pineapple and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legomanarthur Posted June 2, 2018 Share Posted June 2, 2018 Some of them worked for me and some others didn't. For instance I like the fact that Marnie ended up in the Epsilon Program, or that you can kill Al Di Napoli, as unimportant as he is or was. I think the way they treated Ashley was okay, she couldn't help herself so the way she died seemed like the most logical solution to me. Others such as ULP or Karen felt forced, I don't know why they would be here in San Andreas when they seemed to run things in the East coast. Their cameos - as short as they were - made the world feel smaller to me. Same thing with the Lost being in San Andreas, isn't it the main territory of the AoD? I guess they managed to wipe them all out in five years and decided to celebrate their victory by becoming meatheads and cowards, smh. Like most of us, I can't get to appreciate how Johnny, Terry and Clay were handled, they felt so out of character and their deaths was just a big middle finger to TLaD fans. I don't mind them dying but at least seeing them die in a mission centered around them with perhaps a cutscene or a proper gun fight would've helped a lot. I also wish Rocco was treated differently in V. I would've liked to see him make it out alive yet again and perhaps appear in the next installment where he would finally meet his demise. But that's just me hoping to see him get killed all those years later by Luis as some sort of poetic justice. As for Packie I agree with Tycek, he felt like a DLC character with great stats who never f*cks up during heists. As for the treatment of his character, I think he was okay, he didn't do much. It shows that he was added to the game just for the sake of having one major character from GTA IV in V. He's kinda bland and doesn't do or talk much other than during that trip to Paleto Bay. I know the game was not centered around him and he was just there for heists but I kinda wish he would've played a more important role in the story nonetheless. Tycek 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bratva Assassin Posted June 2, 2018 Share Posted June 2, 2018 I liked all of the characters who returned from GTA 4, TLAD, and TBOGT. However, I completely agree with you that they were ruined in GTA 5. I mean, Karen/Michelle is literally the only one who never gets killed off no matter what! WTF, right? It seems almost as if they're just trying to get rid of GTA 4 and EFLC characters so that they can replace them with new characters in GTA 5 or its possible future sequels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pink Pineapple Posted June 2, 2018 Share Posted June 2, 2018 The cameos all sucked and I wish none would have appeared in V. Rockstar ruined some good characters for no reason and having them all show up in San Andreas made the GTA world seem really small. B Dawg, Sonny_Black, Fake Lilina and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheatz/Trickz Posted June 3, 2018 Share Posted June 3, 2018 I don’t have an issue with the IV cameos, and I say that as a huge fan of TLAD, because it is a part of the best story in the series. Johnny was ruined at the end of TLAD. I remember my last playthrough of it, after the last mission I just went back to that dilapidated safehouse and had Johnny sit on the dirty mattress as I saved the game for the last time, before continuing with IV and TBoGT. As much as i’d have liked to see Johnny power on, it was no surprise that he fell victim to the meth again. Michelle/Karen in IV clearly hated playing Niko, since she actually seemed to give a f*ck when she did come clean. But by V, she’s been with the IAA for another five years, she’s naturally going to become colder. billiejoearmstrong8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTA Plus Enjoyer Posted June 3, 2018 Author Share Posted June 3, 2018 I hope they won't do the same with the characters in Vice City (I feel like Luis Lopez will make a cameo in VC) because what they've done in GTA V is very lazy of Rockstar to do. Makes them all feel like they have no background story, like they never existed in GTA IV in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Algonquin Assassin Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 17 hours ago, Cheatz/Trickz said: I don’t have an issue with the IV cameos, and I say that as a huge fan of TLAD, because it is a part of the best story in the series. Johnny was ruined at the end of TLAD. I remember my last playthrough of it, after the last mission I just went back to that dilapidated safehouse and had Johnny sit on the dirty mattress as I saved the game for the last time, before continuing with IV and TBoGT. As much as i’d have liked to see Johnny power on, it was no surprise that he fell victim to the meth again. Michelle/Karen in IV clearly hated playing Niko, since she actually seemed to give a f*ck when she did come clean. But by V, she’s been with the IAA for another five years, she’s naturally going to become colder. I can understand how Johnny was ruined after the end of TLAD, but it's still shaky ground why Trevor's even feuding him/The Lost in the place. It's like they magically appeared in Sandy Shores one day. Karen/Michelle makes even less sense when you consider after she was done with Niko she returned back to a normal life. Atleast that's the impression I got so her showing up 5 years later as some cold bitch with somehow less character development than in GTA IV makes me think R * had no idea how to write a similar character so they dug back into GTA IV's archives. I don't mind cameos when they serve to drive the narrative foward, but IMO none of the cameos do. They either make the characters cannon fodder or they're a pass over reference. The 3D era done a much better job with characters appearing in multiple games, but like the rest of GTA V's story it feels like barely any effort was made to get them to fit. Fake Lilina 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thc_404 Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 (edited) Packie and successful. Not two words I ever thought to hear in the same sentence. Edited June 4, 2018 by thc_404 billiejoearmstrong8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tao Cheng Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 On 6/2/2018 at 3:01 AM, Domac said: It seems like every character from Liberty City in GTA 4 that moved to San Andreas is ruined, like: Johnny Klebitz turned into a methhead, drug addict, he's weak, and he dies. Ashley too, wtf happened to her? Packie McReary used to be successful, he robbed a bank in LC, and now he's struggling to rob a store in LS (if it wasn't for the protagonost that saves him, he'd be in jail). Poppy used to be different in LC, now she's ugly af tbh Michelle/Karen was so nice in GTA IV, and now she's all rude and stuff (although it might've been a disguise in GTA IV) The list can go on... it's like San Andreas is ruining people for some reason. What are your opinions on it? Johnny is weak for Ashley so he submits into her habits. Had he walked away none of this would have happened. You can't predict what people will become. Packie is a coke addict and probably doesn't know how to manage his money properly. Took his ass to the Altruism because I heard cannibals love potatoes! I agree with Karen but the way she uses her words like "cajole" makes me wet daddy. It was her job to seduce Niko, I'm also upset that UL Paper's name is Bernard. They could have done a better job choosing a name like Kareem or Leroy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheatz/Trickz Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Algonquin Assassin said: I can understand how Johnny was ruined after the end of TLAD, but it's still shaky ground why Trevor's even feuding him/The Lost in the place. It's like they magically appeared in Sandy Shores one day. Karen/Michelle makes even less sense when you consider after she was done with Niko she returned back to a normal life. Atleast that's the impression I got so her showing up 5 years later as some cold bitch with somehow less character development than in GTA IV makes me think R * had no idea how to write a similar character so they dug back into GTA IV's archives. I don't mind cameos when they serve to drive the narrative foward, but IMO none of the cameos do. They either make the characters cannon fodder or they're a pass over reference. The 3D era done a much better job with characters appearing in multiple games, but like the rest of GTA V's story it feels like barely any effort was made to get them to fit. I assumed they thought remaining in LC was too dangerous, or just pointless and wanted a fresh start, which is how they landed in SA. Niko asks the UL Paper guy what they gave Michelle for delivering him, and he says they gave her her life back, but that she still works for them. Edited June 4, 2018 by Cheatz/Trickz Fake Lilina and Algonquin Assassin 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plsdeletemyprofileN0r0k Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 I guess that's the San Andreas Lifestyle. get high or die Also, is it just me or is Packie's skin darker? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fake Lilina Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 On 6/4/2018 at 12:10 PM, Cheatz/Trickz said: I assumed they thought remaining in LC was too dangerous, or just pointless and wanted a fresh start, which is how they landed in SA. They should've went to Vice City instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiroVette Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 (edited) On 6/2/2018 at 6:01 AM, Domac said: It seems like every character from Liberty City in GTA 4 that moved to San Andreas is ruined, like: Johnny Klebitz turned into a methhead, drug addict, he's weak, and he dies. Ashley too, wtf happened to her? Well, given how much I disliked the Crapisodes, I think that Johnny and Ashley were handled very well. Particularly Johnny. I didn't like TBoGT, but at least Luis had a personality I kind of liked. Johnny in TLaD was boring, deadpan, had no personality at all, and his loser gang (Sorry, Lost) were dealt with quite nicely in V. Also, both Johnny and ashley were used quite aptly as plot devices to show what an awesome badass Trevor is. Another thing is, from what I remember about the plot of TLaD, Ashley spent the entire story struggling with her crippling meth addiction, and Johnny stayed with her anyway. Does it really seem like that much of a stretch that she would eventually drag him down with her? I mean, if you care about authenticity, that is. Meth is one of the most immediately destructive drugs around. In some ways, it can even be more immediately toxic than heroin. A lot of junkies on heroin can last years. Meth has been known to destroy people in shorter times than that. Not sure why, because opiates are actually more toxic. But maybe meth heads tend to abuse the drug more recklessly than heroin junkies? Either way, I have lived in NY City my whole life, and anecdotally I have observed the way meth effects people who get sucked into that life. It really isn't that much of a stretch for Ashley and Johnny, 5 years after the events in LC, to be so incredibly strung out and f-cked up given their background. Edited August 30, 2019 by ChiroVette Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Algonquin Assassin Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 6 hours ago, Kierolack666 said: They should've went to Vice City instead. Was it really necessary to bump a year old thread just to say that? Ending this now before it reignites another pointless GTA IV vs GTA V pissing contest which have been on the decline recently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
