Starfield (Bethesda Game Studios)

[Mexicola9302]

Well we will see on the 11. november, but maybe the game release gets postboned to 2023, i don't trust any release date anymore that is 11 months away. As long as covid is not endemic, everybody can use it as an excuse.

[Mister Pink]

I'm very optimistic for Starfield. 

 

Imagine Bethesda employees must really be into space sci-fi and for years the tenured staff only worked on Fallout and Skyrim for the last 10-15 years. It must be an exciting, breath of fresh air. Also, the launch of Fallout 76 was a disaster but it's not now. It has won many critics and fans over.  I think they really hurt and learned from the initial release. From a developer's perspective, I can imagine being them being bored out of their skull making Fallout 76 after developing for 3-4 years Fallout 4. Imagine thinking you'd go on to a new project only to find out you are doing another 3-4 years of the same style Fallout, just online. You'd be sick of it. As a  creative myself, there is nothing worse than working on the same project for so long. Starting new projects is very inspiring and motivating. 

 

Although I enjoyed Fallout 4 a lot (and so did many people despite all the criticism), I think Howard has been very reflective over decisions that contributed to the criticism of the game. He seems to really understand it and has even said "maybe x was a bad decision in hindsight." That's not to say there wont be bad decisions made for Starfield. Surely there will be - but he's not afraid to admit mistakes. 

 

I think anyone is right to be sceptical of new AAA games coming out. But using Cyberpunk as a reference isn't really representative. I think Cyberpunk was like the worst-case scenario and exceptionally broken. Starfield will have some charming bugs but overall, I'm going to try compare it to Skyrim/ES and Fallout and not with online launches. The passion to make singleplayer games is there. There is more pressure to get it right. It's also where they are most experience in. Single player. 

 

I'm purely speculating and that's my optimism for this game. But also, if you want good evidence that it will release November 11th - just look at this document leaked from November 2021.  It's in the final stages of development. 2 months ago Bethesda were looking for a Senior Lighting Artist with cinematic/film experience. Lighting is usually done the final stages. Also it was confirmed the game is playable from start to finish in November 2021.

 

 

Edited January 19, 2022 by Mister Pink

[Mexicola9302]

I really hope it's true, the gaming industry finally needs a good RPG again. It will feel weird playing a BGS game without radiation or magic spells and swords and all that, yeah finally something completly new, yeah maybe it will be a good game.

 

And yeah the Fallout 76 devs, must have been bored to death, same monsters, same weapons, same this and that, the typical boring quests. Maybe it actually helps that they release something new.

[guerilla_man]

I had bad experiences with bethesda games in the past. If you play this game from bethesda expect to see a lot of bugs and loads of crashes and freezing. I am not interested in there games anymore. I am not saying this to generate hate . I telling you to be warned. 

[OysterBarron]

On 1/19/2022 at 10:07 AM, guerilla_man said:

I had bad experiences with bethesda games in the past. If you play this game from bethesda expect to see a lot of bugs and loads of crashes and freezing. I am not interested in there games anymore. I am not saying this to generate hate . I telling you to be warned. 

I don't think you have to warn anyone about Bethesda games it's like their main niche and company mantra. I do expect there to be less with this release though being the apple of Tod Howard's eye, but to be fair personally I've had bugs and glitches but I haven't had anything that completely broke a playthrough for me before.

[Mexicola9302]

1 hour ago, OysterBarron said:

I don't think you have to warn anyone about Bethesda games it's like their main niche and company mantra. I do expect there to be less with this release though being the apple of Tod Howard's eye, but to be fair personally I've had bugs and glitches but I haven't had anything that completely broke a playthrough for me before.

Well if on PC something goes wrong with quest stages, you can always use console commands to fix bugs, but console players can't do that.

 

I remember an annoying bug of Skyrim in a Serana quest, where the next quest stage didn't trigger for some weird reason, i just fixed it with a console command and all was fine. Would have totally sucked getting that bug on a console version. Of course an "Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch" fixed that made by modders, so it never happened again, well console ppl don't have that.

 

If something like that happens in Starfield, im happy that im a PC only player since 18 years.

Edited January 23, 2022 by Mexicola9302

[Jason]

Open world games always have bugs, it's a nature of the beast, but Bethesda's launch issues have basically become meme at this point.

 

They're not that bad, and compared to what we see nowadays, perfectly acceptable lmao.

[Mexicola9302]

Yeah compared to other games, that are released after 2020, yeah it's okay. I mean all the publishers just throw trash on the market since a while.

 

I really hope the gaming industry changes it's path into the right direction again, and finally starts releasing finished games again.

 

I mean seriously most games i bought in the last 2 years were buggy as hell after release.

[guerilla_man]

1 hour ago, OysterBarron said:

I don't think you have to warn anyone about Bethesda games it's like their main niche and company mantra. I do expect there to be less with this release though being the apple of Tod Howard's eye, but to be fair personally I've had bugs and glitches but I haven't had anything that completely broke a playthrough for me before.

I don’t trust todd howard because he is a Liar. You can trust him with the games he creates go right ahead! It is your choice! Skyrim and fallout I had several issues with crashing and they never fixed it. Atleast with other game companies they fix there issues and tell the truth.

[OysterBarron]

8 hours ago, Jason said:

Open world games always have bugs, it's a nature of the beast, but Bethesda's launch issues have basically become meme at this point.

 

They're not that bad, and compared to what we see nowadays, perfectly acceptable lmao.

I'm picturing a photo of Todd Howard with a thanos chin saying bugs are inevitable.

 

As for trusting him gurellia I never said I did all I was saying is this one is supposed to be his passion project so I'm expecting better.

 

No bugs I've seen or heard of has ever stopped me from purchasing a new fallout in the past on day one so I don't see starfield to be any different for me atleast.

[Mister Pink]

Bethesda bugs have their charm. For me they were never game breaking. Usually they were funny. But the sheer sizes of Bethesda worlds, the amount of dialogue (111,000 lines of script and your average film has about 120 pages of script). One is pages, one is lines but you can imagine how many pages 111k lines of script are. 

 

If there weren't a lot of bugs, quite frankly I would be shocked. Are there any comparable games that have the level of depth, detail, scope and hours to finish such as an Elder Scrolls or Fallout game that isn't buggy? I think anyone would be hard pressed to find one. The closest I can think of is RDR2, a game made for around $540m and still, RDR2 would be more linear in an open-world in comparison to a Fallout game where missions can almost be triggered at any time. Where the story is structured mostly by the way the player wants to complete it. 

 

I think people can to too harsh at times given the sheer scope and complexity of building those games. 

Edited January 25, 2022 by Mister Pink

[Guest]

I have to say, FO76 Online, Is way more stable and vastly larger in scope to RDR2.(online)

 

 

[Jason]

I don't play it, or particularly care for it, but from what I've seen and heard of Fallout 76 recently it's that while it's absolutely not perfect, many still judge it for it's launch issues and the fact it wasn't Fallout 5. Elder Scrolls Online has essentially the same issues. Long standing and beloved single player franchises getting the online treatment, not having a solid launch year, and then being written off for the rest of their life cycle.

 

When in reality they're both in very decent states these days and have been supported well, so to see them being used in context around while people are worried about Starfield or Elder Scrolls 6 is just... daft. Not to mention they are by different teams.

 

Also while I'm here cause I missed this comment:

 

On 1/19/2022 at 9:29 AM, Mexicola9302 said:

I really hope it's true, the gaming industry finally needs a good RPG again.

 

Expand your horizons man, seriously. I was in the same boat but trust me there's some absolutely amazing RPG's out there if you expand your horizons and try new stuff.

 

Divinity Original Sin 2, Disco Elysium, Pillars of Eternity 1 & 2, Tyranny, Pathfinder: Kingmaker and Path of the Righteous, Wasteland 3, Expedition: Rome and a f*ck ton more. We also should have Baldurs Gate 3 this year, which looks to be another great game. We're slap bang in the middle of a golden age of RPG's, you just gotta remember the RPG genre is vast and not simply open world third person games.

[Index]

Is Baldurs Gate 3 out of EA this year? Also, the free to play Lost Ark is coming out within a few weeks or so i think. Sitting overwhelmingly positive on Steam, I've not seen too much on it like.

Edited January 31, 2022 by DEADWOODZ

[Mexicola9302]

2 hours ago, Failed Again said:

I have to say, FO76 Online, Is way more stable and vastly larger in scope to RDR2.(online)

 

 

Yeah Fallout 76 is great, but after you can already kill the Scorch Beast Queen and that Earle alone, what else to achieve in this game? I did play the second part of that BoS DLC 2 weeks ago on my main char, maybe i do it for my second char too, and then there is no content again. If you already got so many god tier weapons, good armor etc. at some point there is just no point playing the game anymore. I sinked like 3400 or 3600 hours into that game or even more don't know the exact number atm, i know every inch of the map, at some point there is just nothing left to do. If you already one shot so pretty much everything why still play a game?

 

I currently play Days Gone, it's no real RPG but it's kinda fun. After that i probably play the Mass Effect Trilogy or something, i only played the first Mass Effect if i remember correctly.

Edited January 29, 2022 by Mexicola9302

[Jason]

24 minutes ago, DEADWOODZ said:

Is Baldurs Gate 3 out of EE this year? Also, the free to play Lost Ark is coming out within a few weeks or so i think. Sitting overwhelmingly positive on Steam, I've not seen too much on it like.

 

BG3 is expected to be this year I think, but I doubt they'll rush it out if it's not ready.

 

Lost Ark is a Diablo like ARPG whose Steam reviews right now are massively sus, it's not even out and they're that high, the game shouldn't even be reviewable lol. But yea, it's Korean game being published by Amazon in this part of the world with multiple founders packs, currencies etc which isn't great, plus a lot of the discussion around the game centers around how pay to win it is with people going "yes you can buy this but" which isn't a good look. I'll be trying it to see if I can get my ARPG fix and I've been hearing about how good it is for years now but every time a Korean online game is ported over to the west it inevitably ends up adopting many of the sh*tty monetisation stuff.

[Guest]

22 minutes ago, Mexicola9302 said:

Yeah Fallout 76 is great, but after you can already kill the Scorch Beast Queen and that Earle alone, what else to achieve in this game? I did play the second part of that BoS DLC 2 weeks ago on my main char, maybe i do it for my second char too, and then there is no content again. If you already got so many god tier weapons, good armor etc. at some point there is just no point playing the game anymore. I sinked like 3400 or 3600 hours into that game or even more don't know the exact number atm, i know every inch of the map, at some point there is just nothing left to do. If you already one shot so pretty much everything why still play a game?

 

I currently play Days Gone, it's no real RPG but it's kinda fun. After that i probably play the Mass Effect Trilogy or something, i only played the first Mass Effect if i remember correctly.

True/ 1600 hrs.' in, Vampire guns, ss armor, it's getting a little tedious, hoping expansions will help in future.

Days gone, looks nice. I watched the Rad Brad, playthrough, I don't have a PS

Only PS game, that caught my eye, I'm sure there are many more. But this looked like fun

[Mexicola9302]

9 minutes ago, Failed Again said:

True/ 1600 hrs.' in, Vampire guns, ss armor, it's getting a little tedious, hoping expansions will help in future.

Days gone, looks nice. I watched the Rad Brad, playthrough, I don't have a PS

Only PS game, that caught my eye, I'm sure there are many more. But this looked like fun

Days Gone also been released for PC, you don't need a PS for that. The release date for PC was 18th May 2021. I play it on PC, it runs pretty good on my rig.

System Requirements in spoiler

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Minimum:

Processor: Intel Core [email protected] or AMD FX [email protected]

Memory: 8 GB RAM

Graphics: Nvidia GeForce GTX 780 (3 GB) or AMD Radeon R9 290 (4 GB)

Storage: 70 GB available space

Additional Notes: SSD for storage and 16 GB of memory is recommended

 

Recommended:

Processor: Intel Core [email protected] or Ryzen 5 [email protected]

Memory: 16 GB RAM

Graphics: Nvidia GeForce GTX 1060 (6 GB) or AMD Radeon RX 580 (8 GB)

Storage: 70 GB available space

Additional Notes: SSD for storage is recommended

Edited January 29, 2022 by Mexicola9302

[Guest]

4 hours ago, Mexicola9302 said:

Days Gone also been released for PC, you don't need a PS for that. The release date for PC was 18th May 2021. I play it on PC, it runs pretty good on my rig.

System Requirements in spoiler

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Minimum:

Processor: Intel Core [email protected] or AMD FX [email protected]

Memory: 8 GB RAM

Graphics: Nvidia GeForce GTX 780 (3 GB) or AMD Radeon R9 290 (4 GB)

Storage: 70 GB available space

Additional Notes: SSD for storage and 16 GB of memory is recommended

 

Recommended:

Processor: Intel Core [email protected] or Ryzen 5 [email protected]

Memory: 16 GB RAM

Graphics: Nvidia GeForce GTX 1060 (6 GB) or AMD Radeon RX 580 (8 GB)

Storage: 70 GB available space

Additional Notes: SSD for storage is recommended

Yes, and thank you, I am considering it .

Best wishes.

 

 

[Guest]

Ep#2//looks great.

 

[Mister Pink]

Haters complaining that no gameplay is being shown yet is indicative of Starfield being in some trouble. I think it's on track as planned and we'll see gameplay at E3 this year. Between Hogwarts, Forza Motorsport 8 and Starfield, it's going to be a another packed Christmas season with lots to play. 

 

I actually like the marketing for Starfield. Those conversational episodes are show the passion for the project from the most senior level. Then we get concept art which gives us a little visual and helps us imagine the world without spoiling the world for us. I want this game completely unspoiled. I want to go in really fresh. That's what Fallout 3 was like for me. Same with Skyrim. Nothing can compare going into a new world completely blind. I think that's why I'm so hopeful for Starfield. 

 

Some lovely new concept art.. 

 

 

 

 

 

[The Time Ranger]

I'm cautiously optimistic for Starfield considering how some AAA launches have gone in recent times, but i'm still optimistic, Bethesda make some great games, I along with many others still play Skyrim to this day, and Fallout 4 despite it's shortcomings was another massive timesink for me. 

 

Along with a Gta launch, I consider a Bethesda open world RPG release an "event." You know the type, lots of online hype, fevered excitement from fans, discussing, speculating and analyzing every crumb of information, all that good stuff, a collective wave of anticipation. 

 

Also a space setting is nice and fresh, and the concept art posted above makes the mind wander and wonder about what awaits us. 

[Mister Pink]

20 minutes ago, The Time Ranger said:

I'm cautiously optimistic for Starfield considering how some AAA launches have gone in recent times, but i'm still optimistic, Bethesda make some great games, I along with many others still play Skyrim to this day, and Fallout 4 despite it's shortcomings was another massive timesink for me. 

 

Along with a Gta launch, I consider a Bethesda open world RPG release an "event." You know the type, lots of online hype, fevered excitement from fans, discussing, speculating and analyzing every crumb of information, all that good stuff, a collective wave of anticipation. 

 

Also a space setting is nice and fresh, and the concept art posted above makes the mind wander and wonder about what awaits us. 

Well said.  I'm with you on still playing Skyrim and Fallout 4. I still haven't started the Fallout 4 DLC, despite buying it in a sale about a year ago! I will get around to it. Something about those worlds like Elder Scrolls and Fallout that are just so worth returning to. Now, it runs at 60fps on console, it's probably a good time for me to return to it. There is a lot to discover and with any Bethesda game, I probably only see about 60-70% of the content that's there. I rarely feel I'm repeating some gameplay loop like I do in other big games. I always felt a progression. 

 

I hope Starfield is no different. I do hope it has that same replay value I get from Skyrim - and I don't just mean literally restarting the game but that once the main story is complete that I can jump back in years down the line and discover some side-quest I never spotted or find some new areas. 

[The Time Ranger]

5 minutes ago, Mister Pink said:

I hope Starfield is no different. I do hope it has that same replay value I get from Skyrim - and I don't just mean literally restarting the game but that once the main story is complete that I can jump back in years down the line and discover some side-quest I never spotted or find some new areas. 

Very much this, I've been playing Skyrim special edition lately, still noticing little details I've never seen, and actually reading books in game, something i've never really done. It's a rare thing with how many games come and go, there are still some that stand the test of time. Lets hope Starfield reaches those heights, pun unintended.

[Mister Pink]

“We always make a bunch of different groups that represent some of the major factions in every game. And in this one we’ve got the United Colonies, that represents the future of space republic idealized. You also have the Freestar Collective, which is the space western fantasy, people that are out there on the frontier. We’ve got Ryujin Industries which represents corporate life.”

Shen notes that he believes Ryujin Industries has "one of the best starts of any of the factions." This storyline will apparently start with you being hired by the megacorporation and having to prove you can cut the mustard.

In addition to these three, there’s also the Crimson Fleet; a pirate raiders faction that seems to be the de facto choice for anyone looking to do an evil playthrough of Starfield

- Quote is from the most recent episode and the excerpt taken from an IGN article

 

One of the best things about a Bethesda game is possibilities of joining a faction. Really helps with roleplaying. And it seems they are employing some kind of life-path system. One can only hope it's more fleshed out and more impactful than Cyberpunk's life-path system. 

 

What do you guys think? I know it's too early to tell but do any of those factions interest you? I'm personally curious about the Freestar Collective (western fantasy) and Ryujin Industries (corporate). I never play as either fully evil or fully good. I prefer to make my choices based in the moment and some will be leaning on being "bad" and some "good" as I don't think we're inherently good or bad - we just make choices, some are self-serving and others are more altruistic. Having said that, Crimson Fleet sounds interesting too. 

 

I know Fallout games have been kind of light on the consequences side and perhaps not too RPG-deep but Howard keeps brining the topic up like it's a focus to go a little more old-skool or deeper with the RPG elements. 

[Jason]

Yea the life-path stuff sounds good, the way they framed it that they think more mainstream audiences are ready for them to bring more of that stuff back definitely perked me up. 

 

The Pathfinder games go crazy with that stuff, there's dialogue options that are dependent on things like attributes (strength, endurance, etc) to skills (survival, magic knowledge, history, thievery, etc etc) to alignment (good, neutral, evil, chaotic good, chaotic evil, etc) and while that's probably a bit excessive for a game like Starfield I do love that stuff and wanna see more of it in AAA open world RPG's.

[String]

United Colonies seems the most interesting to me, they seem like the 'space government' of the worlds and will be interesting to see how they'll govern and how they use their power, are they self serving? Are they well meaning, focused on uplifting their subjects? Are they expansionist types? What about their views on potential aliens and contact? What does an 'idealized space republic' mean anyway?

 

I find myself more intrigued by this faction

Plus New Atlantis looks more appealing to me than Akila. 

 

I took the side of the rebels/Stormcloaks in Elder Scrolls so this time I think I will support the reigning power aka United Collective. Though I think I will be sympathetic towards Freestar too, it's fun supporting the underdog and space western fantasy sounds like a fun time

 

Wonder what House Var'ruun will be like they may be a mini faction but curious to learn more about their beliefs and their God. 

[Tacymist]

The space cowboy and space pirate faction sound the most up my alley. But I'll join the faction that has the coolest looking outfits.

 

 

[Mister Pink]

Could the United Colonies be a play on United Nations?  And an idealized space republic would be New Atlantis where all cultures can exist in a democracy/republic. Although New Atlantis is the capital of the United Colonies, I presume the United Colonies was founded as a result of some space war - and to avoid a repeat of the same, a bit like the U.N. It would make sense that United Colonies capital is in New Atlantis, the melting pot city of all races/ethnicities. It's neutral ground. 

 

On 3/20/2022 at 8:13 AM, AkshayKumar said:

took the side of the rebels/Stormcloaks in Elder Scrolls so this time I think I will support the reigning power aka United Collective. Though I think I will be sympathetic towards Freestar too, it's fun supporting the underdog and space western fantasy sounds like a fun time

 

I supporting the underdog too. I also took the side of the Stormcloaks. As for the Freestar collective, it's kind of fun being the outlaw, outcast type. That might lend itself really well to my style where I'm neither inherently good or bad.

 

I do hope Starfield creates the next new internet political debates on which faction is actually good for future of life in space. I suspect it will be a massively grey area and hopefully so. Although, I would like some clear cut bad guys too. 

[String]

27 minutes ago, Mister Pink said:

I presume the United Colonies was founded as a result of some space war - and to avoid a repeat of the same, a bit like the U.N.

The United Colonies and Freestar Collective waged a 'bloody Colony war' and iirc at the beginning of Starfield there's an uneasy peace going on. So maybe it's not so or else they failed badly at their objective

 

Is New Atlantis located in Alpha Centauri star system? That's what the wiki page for United Colonies says, I don't follow Starfield news too much so I missed out on hearing this

 

27 minutes ago, Mister Pink said:

do hope Starfield creates the next new internet political debates on which faction is actually good for future of life in space. I suspect it will be a massively grey area and hopefully so

Me too man. They debated about Empire and Stormcloaks for years in TES and if the 'future of space with X faction' debate is as lengthily contested it's gonna be spicy! 

Edited March 21, 2022 by AkshayKumar