Gang Behaviour

[Another GTA Fan]

I posted about this in the modding section but I feel it's better asking here, as it's more of how the original game works.

 

What activity in the game changes the way other gangs behave towards the player?

 

To better explain, I have two 100% save files I done of the game. In one save file, the Ballas will attack CJ on sight, on the other, they don't, they completely ignore him. Vagos also approach CJ when you're near them, but on the other, they totally ignore CJ like the Ballas.

 

There's no differences between the two save files, only the final mission I done to get the 100% (At least that's the only thing I can think of that is different). So what's causing their behaviour to change like this? And can it be 'undone'?

 

Kudos to anyone that can figure it out because I have no idea.

[CohexBruh]

i think this usually happens in GTA SA..but anyways it may happen if you have hardly modded game. try removing mods from your game..if your game ins not modded try editing some values in gta sa save game editor.experiment with it you may fix it.

[OrionSR]

Try running the Pimping mission again. IIRC, this will bring the Ballas back to Dislike after getting aggravated to Hate by the story missions.

[Another GTA Fan]

i think this usually happens in GTA SA..but anyways it may happen if you have hardly modded game. try removing mods from your game..if your game ins not modded try editing some values in gta sa save game editor.experiment with it you may fix it.

This happened on a completely clean install of the game.

 

Try running the Pimping mission again. IIRC, this will bring the Ballas back to Dislike after getting aggravated to Hate by the story missions.

I tried the Pimping missions again, I even tried doing them in San Fierro to see if that would fix it, but no attempt so far has fixed them.

[OrionSR]

Hm... I wouldn't expect a change in Vagos anyway. To answer the question more directly, there's one story mission that changes the Ballas to Hate - sorry, I forget which. Pimping will reset the Ballas. The infamous Peds Riot Cheat known for causing the Madd Dogg Glitch will cause some peds to hate everyone, but I don't think this effects the gangs.

Compare your saves using the ped preference tool in the Savegame Editor 3.x. All of the behaviors I've described are influenced by these settings.

• GTA SA Savegame Editor v3.0 by Paul Breeuwsma: http://www.paulinternet.nl/sa

[Another GTA Fan]

Well I've discovered the issue thanks to the savegame editor.

 

For the data that has the ballas attack me on sight, the option is set to 'Hate'. But for my newest save where they don't attack on sight. It's set to 'Dislike'. Everything else is exactly the same in terms of ped stats.

 

I ran a few tests only changing it from 'Dislike' to 'Hate' and back again, and sure enough it's the source of the issue. The only thing left is what mission triggered it, though now I can fix it, I'm not bothered which one it was. Interesting, though. All the years I've played this game this is the first time I've ran into this issue.

[OrionSR]

If it's just the Ballas then I would expect togging the Pimping mission to reset them to Dislike. Maybe try again now that you can read the flags instead of relying on in-game observations.

I found some old notes.

Ballas dislike CJ in the beginning. After Drive-By the Ballas hate CJ.
Regardless of any previous settings, the Pimping mission will set the Ballas to like CJ when it starts and to dislike CJ when it ends.

[Another GTA Fan]

It seems you're right, though the save game editor you shared above resolves it for me

 

I wonder if other missions were suppose to do the same? A way to stop rival gangs from interfering with the side missions when you do them. Strange only Pimping missions trigger this and not others.

[OrionSR]

Due to issues with the Ped Riot cheat causing the Madd Dogg Glitch, we've been through the game code looking for any change to ped acquaintances. There are very few changes to these settings during the game. Some peds get tweaked by the cheat, Ballas get tweaked by Drive-by and Pimping, and... one of the heist mission, (Caligula's?) will change CivMale to like CJ a little better. All of this was needed to make a proper fix for the Madd Dogg glitch.

[Lioshenka]

On 5/24/2018 at 5:09 PM, Recommended said:

I wonder if other missions were suppose to do the same? A way to stop rival gangs from interfering with the side missions when you do them. Strange only Pimping missions trigger this and not others.

R* probably realised that this would be a fine addition after GTA 3 turned into hell when you tried and do paramedic mission after upsetting the mafia

Edited June 2, 2018 by Lioshenka

[Sanmodder]

 

{0  =PLAYER1 //carl
1  =PLAYER2  
2 = PLAYER_NETWORK  
3  =PLAYER_UNUSED  
4 = CIVMALE  
5  =CIVFEMALE  
6  =COP //
7 = GANG1 (Ballas)
8 = GANG2 (Grove Street Families)
9  =GANG3 (Los Santos Vagos)
10  =GANG4 (San Fierro Rifa)
11  =GANG5 (Da Nang Boys)
12  =GANG6 (Mafia)
13  =GANG7 (Mountain Cloud Triad)
14 = GANG8 (Varrio Los Aztecas)
15 = GANG9 (unused)
16  =GANG10 (unused)
17  =DEALER  
18 = MEDIC  
19  =FIREMAN  
20  =CRIMINAL  
21  =BUM*  
22  =PROSTITUTE  
23  =SPECIAL  
24  =MISSION1  
25  =MISSION2  
26  =MISSION3  
27  =MISSION4  
28  =MISSION5  
29  =MISSION6  
30  =MISSION7  
31  =MISSION8

1 =like

2 =respect

3 =dyslike

4 =hate}

                                                                         [------------------------->]
0746: set_acquaintance 4 of_actors_pedtype 7 to_actors_pedtype 0

0746: set_acquaintance 1 of_actors_pedtype 8 to_actors_pedtype 0

0746: set_acquaintance 1 of_actors_pedtype 8 to_actors_pedtype 0

or set in ped.dat, file

replace the line in the ped.dat file
GANG1
     Hate GANG2 GANG3 GANG4 GANG5 GANG6 GANG7 GANG8 GANG9 GANG10 PLAYER1

or use save editor but it's just for save
it works better with a script or ped .dat

or add my settings
all gangs have classes because they hunt for cops
  check and you will not regret it

Spoiler

{$CLEO .cs}

thread 'path'

repeat
wait 0
until if Player.Defined(0)
0746: set_acquaintance 2 of_actors_pedtype 4 to_actors_pedtype 0 // see ped.dat
0746: set_acquaintance 2 of_actors_pedtype 5 to_actors_pedtype 0 // see ped.dat
0746: set_acquaintance 4 of_actors_pedtype 4 to_actors_pedtype 6 // see ped.dat
0746: set_acquaintance 4 of_actors_pedtype 5 to_actors_pedtype 6 // see ped.dat
0746: set_acquaintance 1 of_actors_pedtype 22 to_actors_pedtype 0 // see ped.dat
0746: set_acquaintance 2 of_actors_pedtype 22 to_actors_pedtype 0 // see ped.dat
0746: set_acquaintance 3 of_actors_pedtype 4 to_actors_pedtype 7 // see ped.dat
0746: set_acquaintance 3 of_actors_pedtype 5 to_actors_pedtype 8 // see ped.dat
0746: set_acquaintance 3 of_actors_pedtype 4 to_actors_pedtype 9 // see ped.dat
0746: set_acquaintance 3 of_actors_pedtype 5 to_actors_pedtype 13 // see ped.dat
0746: set_acquaintance 3 of_actors_pedtype 4 to_actors_pedtype 14 // see ped.dat
0746: set_acquaintance 4 of_actors_pedtype 4 to_actors_pedtype 6 // see ped.dat
0746: set_acquaintance 3 of_actors_pedtype 7 to_actors_pedtype 4 // see ped.dat
0746: set_acquaintance 3 of_actors_pedtype 7 to_actors_pedtype 5 // see ped.dat
0746: set_acquaintance 4 of_actors_pedtype 7 to_actors_pedtype 6 // see ped.dat
0746: set_acquaintance 4 of_actors_pedtype 7 to_actors_pedtype 17 // see ped.dat
0746: set_acquaintance 4 of_actors_pedtype 7 to_actors_pedtype 18 // see ped.dat
0746: set_acquaintance 4 of_actors_pedtype 7 to_actors_pedtype 19 // see ped.dat
0746: set_acquaintance 4 of_actors_pedtype 7 to_actors_pedtype 20 // see ped.dat
0746: set_acquaintance 4 of_actors_pedtype 7 to_actors_pedtype 22 // see ped.dat
0746: set_acquaintance 3 of_actors_pedtype 8 to_actors_pedtype 4 // see ped.dat
0746: set_acquaintance 3 of_actors_pedtype 8 to_actors_pedtype 5 // see ped.dat
0746: set_acquaintance 4 of_actors_pedtype 8 to_actors_pedtype 6 // see ped.dat
0746: set_acquaintance 4 of_actors_pedtype 8 to_actors_pedtype 17 // see ped.dat
0746: set_acquaintance 4 of_actors_pedtype 8 to_actors_pedtype 18 // see ped.dat
0746: set_acquaintance 4 of_actors_pedtype 8 to_actors_pedtype 19 // see ped.dat
0746: set_acquaintance 4 of_actors_pedtype 8 to_actors_pedtype 20 // see ped.dat
0746: set_acquaintance 4 of_actors_pedtype 8 to_actors_pedtype 22 // see ped.dat
0746: set_acquaintance 3 of_actors_pedtype 9 to_actors_pedtype 4 // see ped.dat
0746: set_acquaintance 3 of_actors_pedtype 9 to_actors_pedtype 5 // see ped.dat
0746: set_acquaintance 4 of_actors_pedtype 9 to_actors_pedtype 6 // see ped.dat
0746: set_acquaintance 4 of_actors_pedtype 9 to_actors_pedtype 17 // see ped.dat
0746: set_acquaintance 4 of_actors_pedtype 9 to_actors_pedtype 18 // see ped.dat
0746: set_acquaintance 4 of_actors_pedtype 9 to_actors_pedtype 19 // see ped.dat
0746: set_acquaintance 4 of_actors_pedtype 9 to_actors_pedtype 20 // see ped.dat
0746: set_acquaintance 4 of_actors_pedtype 9 to_actors_pedtype 22 // see ped.dat
0746: set_acquaintance 3 of_actors_pedtype 14 to_actors_pedtype 4 // see ped.dat
0746: set_acquaintance 3 of_actors_pedtype 14 to_actors_pedtype 5 // see ped.dat
0746: set_acquaintance 4 of_actors_pedtype 14 to_actors_pedtype 6 // see ped.dat
0746: set_acquaintance 4 of_actors_pedtype 14 to_actors_pedtype 17 // see ped.dat
0746: set_acquaintance 4 of_actors_pedtype 14 to_actors_pedtype 18 // see ped.dat
0746: set_acquaintance 4 of_actors_pedtype 14 to_actors_pedtype 19 // see ped.dat
0746: set_acquaintance 4 of_actors_pedtype 14 to_actors_pedtype 20 // see ped.dat
0746: set_acquaintance 4 of_actors_pedtype 14 to_actors_pedtype 22 // see ped.dat
0746: set_acquaintance 3 of_actors_pedtype 13 to_actors_pedtype 4 // see ped.dat
0746: set_acquaintance 3 of_actors_pedtype 13 to_actors_pedtype 5 // see ped.dat
0746: set_acquaintance 4 of_actors_pedtype 13 to_actors_pedtype 6 // see ped.dat
0746: set_acquaintance 4 of_actors_pedtype 13 to_actors_pedtype 17 // see ped.dat
0746: set_acquaintance 4 of_actors_pedtype 13 to_actors_pedtype 18 // see ped.dat
0746: set_acquaintance 4 of_actors_pedtype 13 to_actors_pedtype 19 // see ped.dat
0746: set_acquaintance 4 of_actors_pedtype 13 to_actors_pedtype 20 // see ped.dat
0746: set_acquaintance 4 of_actors_pedtype 13 to_actors_pedtype 22 // see ped.dat
0746: set_acquaintance 1 of_actors_pedtype 6 to_actors_pedtype 0 // see ped.dat
0746: set_acquaintance 2 of_actors_pedtype 6 to_actors_pedtype 0 // see ped.dat
0746: set_acquaintance 2 of_actors_pedtype 0 to_actors_pedtype 6 // see ped.dat
0746: set_acquaintance 4 of_actors_pedtype 22 to_actors_pedtype 6 // see ped.dat
0746: set_acquaintance 4 of_actors_pedtype 20 to_actors_pedtype 6 // see ped.dat
0746: set_acquaintance 4 of_actors_pedtype 17 to_actors_pedtype 6 // see ped.dat
0746: set_acquaintance 4 of_actors_pedtype 6 to_actors_pedtype 22 // see ped.dat
0746: set_acquaintance 4 of_actors_pedtype 6 to_actors_pedtype 20 // see ped.dat
0746: set_acquaintance 3 of_actors_pedtype 6 to_actors_pedtype 17 // see ped.dat
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Edited June 1, 2018 by Sanmodder