Quantcast
Jump to content
Search In
  • More options...
Find results that contain...
Find results in...
    1. Welcome to GTAForums!

    2. News

    1. Red Dead Redemption 2

    1. GTA Online

      1. After Hours
      2. Find Lobbies & Players
      3. Guides & Strategies
      4. Vehicles
      5. Content Creator
      6. Help & Support
    2. Crews

      1. Events
      2. Recruitment
    1. Grand Theft Auto Series

    2. GTA Next

    3. GTA V

      1. PC
      2. Guides & Strategies
      3. Help & Support
    4. GTA IV

      1. Episodes from Liberty City
      2. Multiplayer
      3. Guides & Strategies
      4. Help & Support
      5. GTA Mods
    5. GTA Chinatown Wars

    6. GTA Vice City Stories

    7. GTA Liberty City Stories

    8. GTA San Andreas

      1. Guides & Strategies
      2. Help & Support
      3. GTA Mods
    9. GTA Vice City

      1. Guides & Strategies
      2. Help & Support
      3. GTA Mods
    10. GTA III

      1. Guides & Strategies
      2. Help & Support
      3. GTA Mods
    11. Top Down Games

      1. GTA Advance
      2. GTA 2
      3. GTA
    12. Wiki

      1. Merchandising
    1. GTA Modding

      1. GTA V
      2. GTA IV
      3. GTA III, VC & SA
      4. Tutorials
    2. Mod Showroom

      1. Scripts & Plugins
      2. Maps
      3. Total Conversions
      4. Vehicles
      5. Textures
      6. Characters
      7. Tools
      8. Other
      9. Workshop
    3. Featured Mods

      1. DYOM
      2. OpenIV
      3. GTA: Underground
      4. GTA: Liberty City
      5. GTA: State of Liberty
    1. Red Dead Redemption

    2. Rockstar Games

    1. Off-Topic

      1. General Chat
      2. Gaming
      3. Technology
      4. Programming
      5. Movies & TV
      6. Music
      7. Sports
      8. Vehicles
    2. Expression

      1. Graphics / Visual Arts
      2. GFX Requests & Tutorials
      3. Writers' Discussion
      4. Debates & Discussion
    1. Forum Support

    2. Site Suggestions

Rafae

Take-Two CEO thinks lootboxes are an appropriate game mechanic

Recommended Posts

Rafae

"The ESA's put out a statement on loot boxes and taken a position we support that loot boxes should not be considered a form of gambling in the first place," Zelnick said. "As it happens, it's not a game mechanic we typically use, although we have used it in the past. It's not a primary game mechanic for our titles. But we think game mechanics need to be tailored to the experience, and this can be an appropriate game mechanic. Naturally, we are sensitive to whatever's going on in the marketplace, and we're naturally sensitive to any potential regulatory situation. But I wouldn't say Take-Two expects to be meaningfully influenced by these concerns."

 

https://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2018-05-16-record-years-from-grand-theft-auto-online-and-nba-2k18-drive-take-two

 

 

I hate this f*cking tool more and more every year

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
KWF1981

Just as I start to have hope that RDR2/O will show change. I'm reminded otherwise...

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Alvarez

I'm getting too old for this sh*t.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Voodoo-Hendrix

"Notorious greedy CEO thinks that glorified gambling mechanics in full priced AAA videogames aren't gambling"

 

News at 11.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Rafae

EA literally went through a sh*tstorm because of this and this tool still thinks lootboxes aren't a big deal

 

f*ck the future of gaming man

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
REXX

RIP RDR2, thats all I'm saying.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Quinn_flower

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

 

 

I told you so but y'all laughed at me where are the r* fan bois protecting their God. Where is your god now?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Shadowfennekin

f*ck lootboxes

Anyone who spends money on them is either stupid f*cking rich or just retarded

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Rafae

I wish RDO wasn't even a thing. The single player looks unbelievable and I just wish they would leave it at that.

 

 

f*ck man...

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
kenmy13999

Does it say that they're going to have loot boxes in RDR2? Just skimmed through the article..

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Black-Dragon96

This perfectly shows what kind of person Strauss Zelnick is. A money hungry shark who is completly out of touch with the reality and the gaming comunity as a whole.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
DangerZ0neX

Corporate dickhead is fine with underhanded corporate scams. What a surprise.

 

Watch as people screech that this guy shouldn't get insulted like in the other thread.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Giantsgiants

This might be off topic, but I keep reading about the ESRB adding labeling for lootboxes, and I have to say this does nothing to solve the lootbox problem. That's like walking into a convenience store, pointing at those scratch and win cards near the counter, and having the clerk tell you "those cards are gambling". If you buy and play one of those cards, it's still gambling. Being given a warning doesn't magically change a form of gambling into a non-gambling activity.

 

These game developers are so attached to their precious lootboxes, it's going to take legislation to stop them.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
DangerZ0neX
Posted (edited)

Does it say that they're going to have loot boxes in RDR2? Just skimmed through the article..

What is stopping them from adding loot boxes? They want in on the Battle Royale craze, and they already jumped on the microtransactions-in-a-full-priced-game craze. They definitely will add loot boxes. Edited by DangerZ0neX

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
THC

Of course the man who rubs his hands is being a greedy sh*t

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
KWF1981

Does it say that they're going to have loot boxes in RDR2? Just skimmed through the article..

I too just skimmed over it all, but with the 'microtransactions in all future games' thread, it's certainly looking more and more like a good guess, lol.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Semaj 2JZ♢

I honestly don't know which is worse; the fact that loot boxes implementation is a form of gambling. Or, that the gaming community is weak enough to fall into the trap, enough, to make it not only a "thing", but a profitable one. I don't see anyone here bitching about real life casinos, and minor establishments, offering people a place to gamble.

 

That's also like blaming the drug seller for all the drug users. People want drugs, regardless. In all my times of dabbling I've never been, nor seen anyone else, *forced* to buy their drug of choice. There is not a dealer alive who has to use the threat, "you better buy my drugs, or else". Drugs sell themselves. Just as loot boxes sell themselves.

 

If people *chose* not to oblige, we wouldn't even be having this conversation. Personal responsibility can go a long way.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Voodoo-Hendrix

This might be off topic, but I keep reading about the ESRB adding labeling for lootboxes, and I have to say this does nothing to solve the lootbox problem. That's like walking into a convenience store, pointing at those scratch and win cards near the counter, and having the clerk tell you "those cards are gambling". If you buy and play one of those cards, it's still gambling. Being given a warning doesn't magically change a form of gambling into a non-gambling activity.

 

These game developers are so attached to their precious lootboxes, it's going to take legislation to stop them.

It's even worse.

 

The ESRB is going to add an "in-game purchases" label to any game with purchasable downloadable content, regardless if said game includes skins, expansion packs, in-game currency, microtransactions, lootboxes, etc.

 

Basically it's completely useless.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Quinn_flower

Straus zeldick strikes again

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
ROCKSTAR MANIC

the definition of a Greedy corporate square. Slowly killing the 2k nba franchise, GTA with online, using sharkcard money to fund new studios. lol

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
KWF1981

I honestly don't know which is worse; the fact that loot boxes implementation is a form of gambling. Or, that the gaming community is weak enough to fall into the trap, enough, to make it not only a "thing", but a profitable one. I don't see anyone here bitching about real life casinos, and minor establishments, offering people a place to gamble.

 

That's also like blaming the drug seller for all the drug users. People want drugs, regardless. In all my times of dabbling I've never been, nor seen anyone else, *forced* to buy their drug of choice. There is not a dealer alive who has to use the threat, "you better buy my drugs, or else". Drugs sell themselves. Just as loot boxes sell themselves.

 

If people *chose* not to oblige, we wouldn't even be having this conversation. Personal responsibility can go a long way.

All due respect to that, you need to see/experience what an addict goes through, gambling or drugs as to the hold it can have, and certainly with drugs, the often force/coersion that befall many that are being exploited by aggressive pushers.

 

Look at prison drug life, often you 'do or die' it gets bad.

 

For many, it is just a side vice we can control, again, both drugs or gambling, but it can have it's dark sides. Some get backed into corners over uncontrolled stuff like that.

 

Not saying we're there yet. But even legitimately they try to hook you with gambling. Casino's gladly roll out the red carpet for the whales, lol.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
kenmy13999

 

Does it say that they're going to have loot boxes in RDR2? Just skimmed through the article..

What is stopping them from adding loot boxes? They want in on the Battle Royale craze, and they already jumped on the microtransactions-in-a-full-priced-game craze. They definitely will add loot boxes.Only thing that can stop them are if some countries forbid it but that probably won't help either, good example is how the Battlefront 2 thing turned out in Belgium..

Most people know there will be some kind of microtransactions in future games so that shouldn't be a big surprise but I didn't think they would add lootboxes, so that's why I asked if they said they would have them.

I didn't think they would change the way they do with shark cards thinking of how successful that model have been for them but maybe we'll see both testobull (shark) cards and lootboxes in rdr2, who knows

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Cutter De Blanc

keep it in gta

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
DangerZ0neX

Only thing that can stop them are if some countries forbid it but that probably won't help either, good example is how the Battlefront 2 thing turned out in Belgium..

Ironically, Battlefront 2 had nothing coming because they retracted their lootboxes before Belgium raised a case. Overwatch was one of the couple of games that got attacked for having a gambling system, despite the Blizzard's fanboys crying "muh just cosmetics!" on the subreddit.

 

Just because one country has a firm stand against lootboxes, it's just one country, and a tiny one like Belgium of all nations. Had it been a more powerful country like the United States, it would have made a much bigger strike against these corporations, but we all know that's not happening anytime soon.

 

Most people know there will be some kind of microtransactions in future games so that shouldn't be a big surprise but I didn't think they would add lootboxes, so that's why I asked if they said they would have them.

Zeldick is obsessed with the market. He already said he wants "recurrent consumer spending", and that phrase also includes lootboxes.

 

I didn't think they would change the way they do with shark cards thinking of how successful that model have been for them but maybe we'll see both testobull (shark) cards and lootboxes in rdr2, who knows

Why would you think they wouldn't change their ways? All they had before were DLCs for a couple of games, and while they brought decent revenue, it wasn't enough for their oh-so-hardworking shareholders. If they got enough money in a year to fund two games in the same scope as GTA V just by copying the hot marketing tactic of the time, they sure will diversify the ways they can scam players like all the other big developers do.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
IamCourtney

Show Strauss some respect people, the ability to speak entire paragraphs without actually saying anything is a hard-earned skill!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
KWF1981

@ DangerZoneX...

 

Belgium's one of the leading countries in Europe and has huge political influence in places I believe. Much like my beloved England and UK.

 

Small, but mighty, lol. At least that's my view of Belgium. Must admit though, very limited knowledge of the country aside some historical landmarks/locations personal to the family, and I enjoy their football, lol. Got 3 of their boys in my Spurs team at present.🤣🤣🤣

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
CarimboHanky

like i have said many times in the past, i have no issue with microtransactions, aslong as all items are obtainable ingame for players that choose not to buy microtrans.

 

gtao is a perfect example of how to do microtrans in a game, nothing is locked behind a real paywall and everything is obtainable in the game whether you choose to buy cashcards, gring for money or dupe for profit, everything is obtainable.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Rafae

like i have said many times in the past, i have no issue with microtransactions, aslong as all items are obtainable ingame for players that choose not to buy microtrans.

 

gtao is a perfect example of how to do microtrans in a game, nothing is locked behind a real paywall and everything is obtainable in the game whether you choose to buy cashcards, gring for money or dupe for profit, everything is obtainable.

This is more about him deeming lootboxes as acceptable and normal than about the existence of microtransactions

 

It's f*cking sickening

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Nutduster

The saddest part to me is not that they want to do this. Of course they do. The saddest part is that many here would defend it - even pretend it's a good thing.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
DangerZ0neX

The saddest part to me is not that they want to do this. Of course they do. The saddest part is that many here would defend it - even pretend it's a good thing.

People here will ignorantly defend micro-transactions yet they realize this is too far for them, but if you're looking for people willing to defend every single scummy thing Rockstar and Take-Two do, look no further than r/gtaonline.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now

×

Important Information

By using GTAForums.com, you agree to our Terms of Use and Privacy Policy.