[Speculation Topic] Why Arthur is not mentioned in RDR1?

[MARKUS.]

As it says the title, let's speculate why Arthur is not even mentioned in Red Dead Redemption 1 by John Marston, as far we know now, Arthur is the enforcer and like "the big brother" that looks after the gang, why in the original RDR (based 12 years later) is like he never existed?

 

P.S: of course we know that they didn't think on this new character when they created RDR1, but let's theorize just based on the storyline's perspective and not the limitations or the guessing that R* had back in 2010 vs now.

[Little Big Man]

Sex change.

[rtie]

There's also a dozen other characters who've been added to the canon and who haven't been accounted for in RDR.

 

For Arthur? he made it out and shacked up in Bolivia.

 

[Jimmy Darmody]

The gang is composed by dozens and dozens of people so why would he be mentioned in particular? He didn't get mentioned the same way Saddie wasn't mentioned, or the native american dude, or Micah Bell, Pearson, Lenny, Joshua, Karen, etc...

My point is: There's no particular reason for him not being mentioned. It doesn't have to be. In RDR1 the Pinkerton Agency was simply interested to use John to catch former gang brothers who were operating arround the boarder area, namely WIlliamson, Escuela and Dutch.

[AGNT009]

It could just be that Morgan did right by Marston at the end, and he had no beef with Morgan. RDR1 was about Marston beyotching the whole game about those who did him wrong. Also, Morgan probably gets out, wants to make a new name for himself, tells Marston where he's headed, but to keep it a secret, and Marston says he'll never bring his name up again, Arthur Morgan is dead to the world now, and a new man is going to find a life elsewhere. Morgan probably appears to sacrifice himself to save Marston and Marston goes along with Arthur faking his death to the gang. Likely as simple as that.

[Lemoyne outlaw]

im thinking either. they all died. or what im hoping is that if they are alive marston was on good terms with everybody else. so he didint want to rat them out. he figured if the government didint mention them then he wasent going to bring them up. or maybe. the government did a similar thing with marston and blackmailed them to do certain things for them. either way hopefully it will all be explained in rdr 2.

[TheWetPartoftheArm]

Right before Morgan's death at the end, choking and sputtering in Marston's arms, he'll say to John with his final words: "Promise me, John... don't mention me, don't think about me, don't even acknowledge my previous existence at any point in time. You gotta run and don't look back. This is over."

[Lock n' Stock]

To be honest, despite the screens we've seen of John so far, it could be possibility that he and Morgan won't actually interact that much.

[oCrapaCreeper]

Because they needed a new protagonist

Edited May 9, 2018 by oCrapaCreeper

[The Algerian]

There's very little reason to mention anyone else than the people he's hunting down. Especially since even then, he doesn't like talking about his past, let alone dwell on the details.

The rest of the crew is probably long dead. Some of them probably hanged.

[The Jungz]

To be honest, despite the screens we've seen of John so far, it could be possibility that he and Morgan won't actually interact that much.

From what we've read from the previews, I think that's all dependent of the player. Remember, Morgan's the gang second in command and he also has to take of said gang, which means he'll most likely (or we will) try to keep our group tight.

 

I think Rockstar knows many returning players will come back to this game and immediately seek John out the moment they can.

[Tupiz]

It could just be that Morgan did right by Marston at the end, and he had no beef with Morgan. RDR1 was about Marston beyotching the whole game about those who did him wrong. Also, Morgan probably gets out, wants to make a new name for himself, tells Marston where he's headed, but to keep it a secret, and Marston says he'll never bring his name up again, Arthur Morgan is dead to the world now, and a new man is going to find a life elsewhere. Morgan probably appears to sacrifice himself to save Marston and Marston goes along with Arthur faking his death to the gang. Likely as simple as that.

 

You could have just predicted the whole plot of RDR2.

[UAL]

Because his character was probably created after RDR1 was completed.

[saintsrow]

The gang is composed by dozens and dozens of people so why would he be mentioned in particular? He didn't get mentioned the same way Saddie wasn't mentioned, or the native american dude, or Micah Bell, Pearson, Lenny, Joshua, Karen, etc...

 

My point is: There's no particular reason for him not being mentioned. It doesn't have to be. In RDR1 the Pinkerton Agency was simply interested to use John to catch former gang brothers who were operating arround the boarder area, namely WIlliamson, Escuela and Dutch.

Good idea. Maybe this motivated Rockstar to make a big gang.

 

 

 

It could just be that Morgan did right by Marston at the end, and he had no beef with Morgan. RDR1 was about Marston beyotching the whole game about those who did him wrong. Also, Morgan probably gets out, wants to make a new name for himself, tells Marston where he's headed, but to keep it a secret, and Marston says he'll never bring his name up again, Arthur Morgan is dead to the world now, and a new man is going to find a life elsewhere. Morgan probably appears to sacrifice himself to save Marston and Marston goes along with Arthur faking his death to the gang. Likely as simple as that.

This sounds pretty good.

 

Witness Protection. Luckily for Arthur, in 1899 there's no TV where he can can be heard yelling "Where's Ah Munneh???" in his new life as a Blackwater bank accountant, that would give him away, like what happened to Michael in GTAV.

Edited May 10, 2018 by saintsrow

[MARKUS.]

 

"Where's Ah Munneh???"

 

This literally killed me.

 

 

[Zello]

 

The gang is composed by dozens and dozens of people so why would he be mentioned in particular? He didn't get mentioned the same way Saddie wasn't mentioned, or the native american dude, or Micah Bell, Pearson, Lenny, Joshua, Karen, etc...

 

My point is: There's no particular reason for him not being mentioned. It doesn't have to be. In RDR1 the Pinkerton Agency was simply interested to use John to catch former gang brothers who were operating arround the boarder area, namely WIlliamson, Escuela and Dutch.

Good idea. Maybe this motivated Rockstar to make a big gang.

 

 

 

It could just be that Morgan did right by Marston at the end, and he had no beef with Morgan. RDR1 was about Marston beyotching the whole game about those who did him wrong. Also, Morgan probably gets out, wants to make a new name for himself, tells Marston where he's headed, but to keep it a secret, and Marston says he'll never bring his name up again, Arthur Morgan is dead to the world now, and a new man is going to find a life elsewhere. Morgan probably appears to sacrifice himself to save Marston and Marston goes along with Arthur faking his death to the gang. Likely as simple as that.

This sounds pretty good.

 

Witness Protection. Luckily for Arthur, in 1899 there's no TV where he can can be heard yelling "Where's Ah Munneh???" in his new life as a Blackwater band accountant, that would give him away, like what happened to Michael in GTAV.

Newspapers interviewing a witness who heard the man say "Where's Ah Munneh???" Dutch taught John to read so he buys the paper reads it finds out it's Arthur and kills him Edited May 9, 2018 by Zello

[Keith_The_Triangle]

Said it in General but I'll post it again here-

 

Well John does vaguely allude to other gang members in RDR. While talking to Ross, he says something like: "First it was Bill, then Javier, now Dutch. Then who?" Or something like that. To me that says that other gang members are still alive, but not a priority (or not as well known to the public) for John to track them down. Keep in mind that Bill, Javier, and Dutch were all in a close proximity to each other. Ross only cared about wiping out the members that could effect Nate Johns candidacy, so he would not send John off to track down some low level gang member who might have fled to the other side of the country. Not all the new gang members need to die in RDR II

[MARKUS.]

[...] so he (Ross) would not send John off to track down some low level gang member who might have fled to the other side of the country. Not all the new gang members need to die in RDR II

 

We're more ghosts than people.

[Cutter De Blanc]

He didn't exactly have any time to sit and chit chat with Dutch reminiscing on old times

[Gray-Hand]

Presumably, John hadnt had anything to do with Arthur for something like 5-10 years by the time of RDR1.

How often do you talk about former workmates to people you just met?

[The Algerian]

he would not send John off to track down some low level gang member who might have fled to the other side of the country. Not all the new gang members need to die in RDR II

 

Morgan isn't low level, pretty sure he's even Dutch's right hand man.

[SeniorDerp]

BeCauSe He’S dEaD¡

[saintsrow]

 

Newspapers interviewing a witness who heard the man say "Where's Ah Munneh???" Dutch taught John to read so he buys the paper reads it finds out it's Arthur and kills him

 

John says, "Imma curb stomp that rat!" He lassos Arthur, and the mission instructions at the bottom of the screen read, "Find a curb," but while he's looking all over town to try to find a curb in 1899, the mission timer times out, and Arthur gets away, starting a new underground life.

Edited May 10, 2018 by saintsrow

[rtie]

Right before Morgan's death at the end, choking and sputtering in Marston's arms, he'll say to John with his final words: "Promise me, John... don't mention me, don't think about me, don't even acknowledge my previous existence at any point in time. You gotta run and don't look back. This is over."

You missed out Arthur spluttering; "Well, it looks like I've had my dead red redemption".

[HandSoap2811]

Maybe he changed his identity like Micheal did in GTA V?

[Bigglo145]

i agree with what others said. Maybe arthur, along with the others moved far away and wasn't in the fbi/pinkertons jurisdiction. they only got who was left in the surrounding area. Maybe they sent micah or lenny to deal with sadie and the rest of the gang like how they sent john to deal with javier, bill and dutch. maybe he's dead or maybe he's even working with the law now, like how landon rickets is.

 

off topic, but correct me if im wrong, was landon ricketts a outlaw before he came a vigilante ? haven't played rdr in forever

[Gray-Hand]

Having been a fugitive for many years, John Marston has probably gotten used to not talking about his past life, or even deflecting questions about it. A lot of the memories would also probably be unpleasant, given that he was left for dead.

 

Unless information about a gang member was directly relevant to a particular situation, he probably wouldnt be in the habit of just dropping anecdotes about his former life into a conversation.

[saintsrow]

Having been a fugitive for many years, John Marston has probably gotten used to not talking about his past life, or even deflecting questions about it. A lot of the memories would also probably be unpleasant, given that he was left for dead.

 

Unless information about a gang member was directly relevant to a particular situation, he probably wouldnt be in the habit of just dropping anecdotes about his former life into a conversation.

Plus, based on John's dealings in RDR with the remaining old gang members, generally didn't go so well. probably not in a hurry to think about any other former gang members.

[alex3]

Right before Morgan's death at the end, choking and sputtering in Marston's arms, he'll say to John with his final words: "Promise me, John... don't mention me, don't think about me, don't even acknowledge my previous existence at any point in time. You gotta run and don't look back. This is over."

 

Great summary, no need to preorder this game now. I already feel satisfied.

[xSilencedTNT]

Because John Was Only After The Ones Who Went Crazy And Left Him For Dead. My speculation is that when John Is shot, Arthur Tried to save him but he couldn't somehow. Then he left the gang because of how Dutch and Others Went Crazy And Uncontrollable.