Passive Mode NEEDS PvP changes.

[ALifeOfMisery]

How did this become your whole steez - coming into threads where a basic, common sense point of view is presented, then spending all your time nitpicking tiny little loose ends in it while also claiming that you actually agree with the main thrust of the other side's argument? Why not just come in and say "You're right, passive could use some work" - or don't come in at all? I simply do not get your goal in engaging in these tedious back-and-forths over what you yourself label as lesser points.

 

 

Possibly because the common sense answer might get a few likes but the nitpicking and low effort trolling gets 40+ pages of attention.

[Guest]

Thanks to demonic for keeping the topic "they don't care about" at the top of gtaforums for all to see. Keep it up, and when they change passive mode, I hope they credit you for making the change possible. Please go on, you help more than you think. Ewo got changed, passive mode will as well. Your the only one who doesn't want it to change. Lets see if you make this get to 40+ pages like the other topics.

 

Remember that YOU demonic don't want this change, but its a much NEEDED change to make the game better. If YOU disagree why not take it to the B/M thread instead of derailing yet another topic. You demonic are worse than Diana. I forgot, you only go in topics like this to argue

 

Remember why this has 44 pages

http://gtaforums.com/topic/857181-gta-online-petition-allow-players-to-play-finance-felony-in-an/page-42

 

And why this has 46 pages

http://gtaforums.com/topic/896813-players-are-voting-for-you-to-be-removed-from-the-session-improve-your-behavior-or-you-will-be-kicked/page-45

 

Or that time they derailed the topic that players wanted more clothing combinations instead of having to glitch clothing combinations instead.

Clearly you have not read the topic. Clearly you are here to derail the topic with crap.

 

If you believe I am doing anything that should not be done feel free to smash that report button, if not these posts do nothing, not even a half assed argument, hell you've not even mentioned the subject of the topic ffs. Give it a rest. It's your problem if you are offended by someone questioning a view point, grow up and deal with it rather than constantly bang on about derailing topics (which you are very much guilty of yourself).

 

That goes for everyone really. If you're offended by someone questioning your view point that's something you need to get the f*ck over. It seems all you want to do is agree with everyone and anything else, topic derailment or trolling. Report that sh*t if you think that's the case, if I stay here you know it isn't. Man up and accept not everyone will agree with your views.

 

FYI I don't write all 40 pages myself, do I?

 

Back on topic, so Mr topic derailment Nazi police f*cker can rest easy though...

[Lonely-Martin]

TL:DR all, it's the game. Poisonous if we let it be.

 

...Let each lobby operate businesses. But it would cut into shark cards by a small amount, and thats why it wont happen. R* encourages griefing to keep ppl from making money in freemode, and they dont give a flip about balance or ppl abusing in game systems to gain an advantage.

 

It really is this easy and the change you suggested would ease so many issues, not all, but it would be a huge start.

 

I must say, before DDH, I'd agree it might cut into card profit. But after DDH, a PvE mainly DLC that had PvP but didn't cost players progress or awards when others do 'challenge ' us for prep supplies. And it was a DLC full of expensive crap for the PvP players and PvE guys alike, even had a pricey property too.

 

DDH had record numbers of players and cash revenue, according to R*. IMHO, that shows them and us that PvE sells very well here too, even after all they did to pretty much forget about it. Things don't have to be about screwing players out of earnings or bonuses for R* to make money.

 

As shown in that first week of release, the game scored $1bn in 3 days. All PvE at the time and nothing but promises. This game sells like hotcakes as it was, and again when PvE is added, says it all I feel. They could make so much more, IMO.

 

Or that time they derailed the topic that players wanted more clothing combinations instead of having to glitch clothing combinations instead.

 

It really is just that daft and so damn obvious that he's here simply to be aggressive and belittle some people here. That one was classic though, telling folk that they should be playing The Sims because we role players want more immersion and diversity in these fun aspects.

 

Much like calling us PvE guys liars for playing PvE in OP toys, only to go on to say he bought his Hydra only for PvE, lol.

Or that he hasn't played in months, and yet knows for fact that certain recent things are not an issue. (Orbital Cannon and glitch), lol.

How about the best one. People need to 'take accountability' for 'things that are part of the game' though it's a dick move 'the game is about who can be the biggest dick' He takes strong offence to me telling him to grow up or stop being daft, but his consistent attacks, accusations, and aggressiveness should all not be taken in offence, lol. (And we're the hypocrites, amazing really).

 

Nothing I suggested is to take away GTA from those that do want things like this, but to just add choice to things. Initially, Demonic asked us 'private lobby brigade' (Or whatever he called us back then) to show how it could be attractive to R* to do this as it was clearly working for them financially to promote this much aggression towards others. But since DDH did show us and them both that PvE sells very well, and even better than all those PvPish businesses before it, we had that to use to show exactly as asked. But since then he's been on the attack big time.

 

Of course, all the mentions of his solo public uses, his PvE playstyle and the explosions of rage when we just don't agree with his experiences being the general experiences we all have, forget those. His 'do as I say, not as I do' or 'it don't happen to me, though I don't play. Can't be an issue' attitude is blatant too. He professes he supports change on some things even, but still has to pull certain peoples responses apart, along with the need to call PvE players pussies and all sorts of internet words to aggravate things further. Of his 3.5% of the week he does visit here to 'discuss' things, he spends 100% of that time only responding to the same people, with the same assumptions and accusations. (Not saying I'm not guilty of going too far myself here mind, must reiterate).

 

But as you show, and I am glad the moderators have let much go really too. It helps highlight a big issue for R*. They push so many away by enabling these aggressive players, or people look to cheat/exploit things to play as they do/once did freely. And by pitting us playstyles against each other instead of embracing both more and more, they (Hopefully) will see they could have made so much more money had R* embraced PvE as much as PvP of late, again as above, DDH shows us and them that. (If their numbers are to be believed).

 

RDR2 story mode does look far more immersive than I was expecting after the financial success here. I think now, with this coming DLC possibly being the last meaningful one, is a good time to make some noise for change. But even if it fails, it doesn't hurt to ask, lol.

 

Until that last DLC comes, as shown with their attempt to address EWO/kerb boosting, however poorly mind, lol, they can change things if they want. And if this game is winding down. Open her up and give more options and see. The game made so much, but I feel there's more there if all are embraced more.

 

They can't lose now I feel.

 

@ All...

 

I know my opinions can be strong, and I can be stubborn. But I'm not here taking any offence to anyone I disagree with over my/their opinions of this game, lol. I love that part and learn so much from reading/discussing with others. Demonic went far too far and I reacted poorly. I accept that. But when many people are saying the same as me, including those not involved in those long drawn out threads, then it's time to reflect. I did when I had past indiscretions, and I feel I contribute far better for it. (Indeed, a few guys here I play completely different from and have vastly different views than, we make things work on CMM's and sh*t, lol).

 

I hope by R* having all hands on deck for 8 years on RDR2 shows and they return to form as simply the best game developer I've ever had the joy to be involved with from the start. If they show to have used the money and what we all learned about this game to go far better from now on, I can write this period off, but if RDR2 becomes this aggressive online. It's game over.

 

Definitely brought the worst out in me at times, many others too. I'll leave be. Sorry for the ramble.

 

Peace out.

[Yellow Dog with Cone]

@DemonicSpam-man

 

You agree with the petition? Fine.

 

You don't agree? Fine too, but there's no need to derail the thread with pages upon pages of pointless nitpicking.

 

Let people ask, wish and petition in peace for once goddamit.

Edited May 5, 2018 by Voodoo-Hendrix

[Guest]

@DemonicSpam-man

 

You agree with the petition? Fine.

 

You don't agree? Fine too, but there's no need to derail the thread with pages upon pages of pointless nitpicking.

 

Let people ask, wish and petition in peace for once goddamit.

You know what, I would have however someone decided to pick at what I didn't even post and exaggerate the issues. Like I said, validate your arguments.

 

@KWF you really should check things before posting, perhaps even reading my posts multiple times since you seem to often misread things, or just claim I've posting something that I haven't - I would quote posts in response to yours but to be honest, I really can't be bothered to waste that much time on someone who clearly wants to read things the way he wants them to be read. Would also be a bonus if you stuck to what you said but I guess you just can't stop picking at the scab, it's almost as if you don't want that wound to go away...

 

Petition all you like, hell if it comes off then great, the 4+ years of this request may finally come to an end. Wasn't it Einstein who said doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results being the definition of insanity?

 

 

 

[Lonely-Martin]

Twice ignored, and twice when I'm not addressing the man directly or even quote so he can accidentally see it, lol. Yeah, he's here to discuss things.

 

Says it all. Enjoy all.

[Yellow Dog with Cone]

Wasn't it Einstein who said doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results being the definition of insanity?

It wasn't Einstein who said that (or Vaas from Far Cry 3 from that matter).

 

See, I can nitpick pointless things too.

[CosmicBuffalo]

One of the funniest thing passive poppers do, set a bounty so they cant passive pop. Calls a friend to kill them...lol. I genuinely think that is hilarious. At this point in the game, its one of the few ways to keep other players from getting even. The jet has been neutered. Passive popping fools are actually preferable to Avenger spammers. Very little can be done if a team is smart with an avenger.

[dino722]

If you activate headhunter and let your self get killed once, this player will not be able go passive no more till the 15 min are up, no matter where you go or how far you go from the ceo...another good way to get passive bitches, just 1 kill

[GuiltySpark]

Lel passive isn't sh*t compared to the cancer explosive bullets are and orbital cannon, along with the deluxo's aa rockets. Just gotta love it when your on the ground and some noob has to use explosive bullets on the ground because they can't aim for sh*t and need the game to aim for them, hell you could be using a regular fcking bike and they use explosive bullets ffs. Im afraid this cancer will never be nerfed or removed and pvp has become long dead ever since. R* meant explosive bullets for jets yet we got people using them solely on the ground, once it hits you even once you can't really do sh*t either since it knocks you down and it always's takes me 2-3 hits with the regular heavy to kill them and ofc with this orbital cannon crap tryhards are using it to get 1-0 scores on people and leaving the session and you can't even touch them.

Edited May 6, 2018 by GuiltySpark

[tjakal]

Wasn't it Einstein who said doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results being the definition of insanity?

 

Went looking into that one just the other night, the quote often misattributed to Einstein is said to have been spread thru a book from 1983, but it's real origin is unknown to the interweb since it appears in more obscure sources before that.

If one care to examine it it's also a pretty stupid quote, doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results is essentially what practice is all about.

 

The real definition of Insanity is very elaborate since it's often a legal matter. It involves being under a psychosis so severe one can no longer tell what's real and imagination.

As such petitioning to have developers change mechanics to enhance the enjoyment of a video game falls well outside the realm on the insane.

Edited May 6, 2018 by tjakal

[Yellow Dog with Cone]

 

Wasn't it Einstein who said doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results being the definition of insanity?

Went looking into that one just the other night, the quote often misattributed to Einstein is said to have been spread thru a book from 1983, but it's real origin is unknown to the interweb since it appears in more obscure sources before that.

If one care to examine it it's also a pretty stupid quote, doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results is essentially what practice is all about.

 

The real definition of Insanity is very elaborate since it's often a legal matter. It involves being under a psychosis so severe one can no longer tell what's real and imagination.

As such petitioning to have developers change mechanics to enhance the enjoyment of a video game falls well outside the realm on the insane.

Well said!

 

And now, a relevant xkcd comic, because there's always a xkcd comic for everything:

 

[Nutduster]

Lel passive isn't sh*t compared to the cancer explosive bullets are and orbital cannon, along with the deluxo's aa rockets. Just gotta love it when your on the ground and some noob has to use explosive bullets on the ground because they can't aim for sh*t and need the game to aim for them, hell you could be using a regular fcking bike and they use explosive bullets ffs. Im afraid this cancer will never be nerfed or removed and pvp has become long dead ever since. R* meant explosive bullets for jets yet we got people using them solely on the ground, once it hits you even once you can't really do sh*t either since it knocks you down and it always's takes me 2-3 hits with the regular heavy to kill them and ofc with this orbital cannon crap tryhards are using it to get 1-0 scores on people and leaving the session and you can't even touch them.

This is a huge tangent. But I would argue that explosive rounds are a necessary evil since they refuse to nerf jets (and actually buffed the Savage, plus made the newer attack helicopters armored also). If you really want to fight pilots of these aircraft from the ground and not just die repeatedly, the explosive sniper is your best friend. And once you've got it, it's not like you are going to just not use it against people on foot; the regular sniper is much weaker and the marksman has a shorter effective range. It's similar to when the homing launcher was added - I have a lot more kills with it against land vehicles than aircraft, even though it was clearly meant for the latter. But the difference is that the explosive sniper actually works against aircraft too, whereas the homing launcher never worked well against the worst offender (jets).

 

Anyway. You wanna take out explosive heavy users? Use BST and marksman, and strafe like your life depends on it. Or get the explosive rounds yourself and git gud. They're annoying but the game needs them, so long as jets have explosive cannons.

 

And I disagree about them being worse than passive. For multiple reasons. They can be quite annoying though.

Edited May 6, 2018 by Nutduster

[Nutduster]

Passive popping fools are actually preferable to Avenger spammers. Very little can be done if a team is smart with an avenger.

Off radar + any missile-spamming fast aircraft (e.g. Pyro). You can decimate an Avenger pretty quickly. Or just go on a suicide run with a jet - a few seconds of sustained explosive MGs will at minimum cripple it. The Avenger is very powerful but there are ways.

[GuiltySpark]

 

Lel passive isn't sh*t compared to the cancer explosive bullets are and orbital cannon, along with the deluxo's aa rockets. Just gotta love it when your on the ground and some noob has to use explosive bullets on the ground because they can't aim for sh*t and need the game to aim for them, hell you could be using a regular fcking bike and they use explosive bullets ffs. Im afraid this cancer will never be nerfed or removed and pvp has become long dead ever since. R* meant explosive bullets for jets yet we got people using them solely on the ground, once it hits you even once you can't really do sh*t either since it knocks you down and it always's takes me 2-3 hits with the regular heavy to kill them and ofc with this orbital cannon crap tryhards are using it to get 1-0 scores on people and leaving the session and you can't even touch them.

This is a huge tangent. But I would argue that explosive rounds are a necessary evil since they refuse to nerf jets (and actually buffed the Savage, plus made the newer attack helicopters armored also). If you really want to fight pilots of these aircraft from the ground and not just die repeatedly, the explosive sniper is your best friend. And once you've got it, it's not like you are going to just not use it against people on foot; the regular sniper is much weaker and the marksman has a shorter effective range. It's similar to when the homing launcher was added - I have a lot more kills with it against land vehicles than aircraft, even though it was clearly meant for the latter. But the difference is that the explosive sniper actually works against aircraft too, whereas the homing launcher never worked well against the worst offender (jets).

 

Anyway. You wanna take out explosive heavy users? Use BST and marksman, and strafe like your life depends on it. Or get the explosive rounds yourself and git gud. They're annoying but the game needs them, so long as jets have explosive cannons.

 

And I disagree about them being worse than passive. For multiple reasons. They can be quite annoying though.

 

LOL git gud? Whats so git gud about explosive bullets, that point when ur aim sucks and you need the game to help you.

[CosmicBuffalo]

 

Passive popping fools are actually preferable to Avenger spammers. Very little can be done if a team is smart with an avenger.

Off radar + any missile-spamming fast aircraft (e.g. Pyro). You can decimate an Avenger pretty quickly. Or just go on a suicide run with a jet - a few seconds of sustained explosive MGs will at minimum cripple it. The Avenger is very powerful but there are ways.Smart avenger players will take out a jet, easy the top turrent can aim straight up if Im not mistaken. Pretty sure lock ons dont work if they are both in the back (edit, lock ons do work, it just takes a lot).

 

And while Im here, the explosive sniper is not nearly as bad as passive poppers. At least they are fighting and can be killed. The orbital cannon is funny to me. I have not ever been trolled with the glitch. So, I can speak on that, but I find it hard to believe a 5 minute break between orbital kills is gonna bother me, like a turd flying around in his passive deluxo after I killed him with the first bounty I set and have like 39 mins before I can set another one. Just me though.

Edited May 6, 2018 by GenericGTAO

[tjakal]

LOL git gud? Whats so git gud about explosive bullets, that point when ur aim sucks and you need the game to help you.

 

 

Explosive rounds are only easier to aim in case you have a significant elevation advantage so you can target a wide circle around the players feet. They do not airburst if they whistle past you. Most of the time someone kills you with them it'll be thru a direct hit to your character. The idea a players aim must suck because they can trip you if they manage to hit a smallish circle round your feet instead of directly is bollocks. I'm confident I'd be able to devastate a clone of myself armed with explosive rounds if I got to have the marksman rifle.

[MeisterJazz]

Petition all you like, hell if it comes off then great, the 4+ years of this request may finally come to an end. Wasn't it Einstein who said doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results being the definition of insanity?

 

Bruh how come on every f*ckin debate thread it seems like you're constantly slobbin on Rockstars f*cking dick? Like seriously dude, why the hell are you here if you ain't got time?

 

 

On topic about passive mode though, I really do wish they they'd fix it by making friendly lobbies. I feel like that would be the best thing to do. My only concern though is that Rockstar will pull a Rockstar and just completely f*ck it up somehow by half assing it. Actually, lemme stop going further into detail about this because its already giving me a damn headache.

Edited May 6, 2018 by MeisterJazz

[FrugalDangerMan]

On topic about passive mode though, I really do wish they they'd fix it by making friendly lobbies. I feel like that would be the best thing to do. My only concern though is that Rockstar will pull a Rockstar and just completely f*ck it up somehow by half assing it. Actually, lemme stop going further into detail about this because its already giving me a damn headache.

 

 

Friendly lobbies already exist and have since launch. They're called "Friend only sessions".

 

Can't do all the things you can in free roam? That's the point.

[Flyin_Japman]

Isn't there an issue with PM that allows people who are VIP/CEOs to become invincible if they get into a vehicle with a passive player?

[Yellow Dog with Cone]

 

On topic about passive mode though, I really do wish they they'd fix it by making friendly lobbies. I feel like that would be the best thing to do. My only concern though is that Rockstar will pull a Rockstar and just completely f*ck it up somehow by half assing it. Actually, lemme stop going further into detail about this because its already giving me a damn headache.

 

Friendly lobbies already exist and have since launch. They're called "Friend only sessions".

 

Can't do all the things you can in free roam? That's the point.

Well, that defeats the whole point of a friendly lobby in the first place.

[Geisterfaust]

@DemonicSpam-man

 

You agree with the petition? Fine.

 

You don't agree? Fine too, but there's no need to derail the thread with pages upon pages of pointless nitpicking.

 

Let people ask, wish and petition in peace for once goddamit.

Hey, that's adult behavior you're describing here.

[MeisterJazz]

 

On topic about passive mode though, I really do wish they they'd fix it by making friendly lobbies. I feel like that would be the best thing to do. My only concern though is that Rockstar will pull a Rockstar and just completely f*ck it up somehow by half assing it. Actually, lemme stop going further into detail about this because its already giving me a damn headache.

 

 

Friendly lobbies already exist and have since launch. They're called "Friend only sessions".

 

Can't do all the things you can in free roam? That's the point.

 

I meant lobbies where weaponized vehicles or any weapons arent allowed.

[xwinkx_girlYakuza]

We must have made this suggestion to R* a million times already but what's so hard to comprehend about just "make the weaponized vehicle non-passive mode only". It makes no sense that some choppers will prohibit you from being in passive mode and they're not even weaponized. It only forces us to come to the conclusion that R* encourages griefing or more specifically encourages people to destroy other people's cargo so it is as hard as possible to make any real money = more fish cards sales!

Edited May 7, 2018 by xwinkx_girlYakuza

[Guest]

 

@DemonicSpam-man

 

You agree with the petition? Fine.

 

You don't agree? Fine too, but there's no need to derail the thread with pages upon pages of pointless nitpicking.

 

Let people ask, wish and petition in peace for once goddamit.

Hey, that's adult behavior you're describing here.

 

Accepting that someone may question or oppose rather than just throwing toys out of the pram is also adult behaviour. That doesn't happen either.

 

A peaceful petition was very much possible, despite my agreeing with this whole issue I was still met with hostility. Methods of dealing with current issues were suggested but despite their effectiveness were argued against. You claim you want a peaceful petition but question sh*t that's not been said in post #3, argue a effective method to deal with the issues in post #60 and nitpick regarding the severity of the issue in post #60 when nothing was being argued from me, nothing was being brought in to question from me. Yeah, you sure wanted a peaceful petition...

[Nutduster]

LOL git gud? Whats so git gud about explosive bullets, that point when ur aim sucks and you need the game to help you.

The radius on the explosive burst is actually tiny. So yes it requires semi-decent aim. And without an elevation advantage you pretty much have to hit them directly - ground shots will almost always miss even if they look dead on. Anyway, my point is just this: if you want to fight them, either use one of my other suggestions or equip the same weapon and out-shoot them. It may be a (small) area of effect weapon, but at the end of the day, the player who fires the most accurate shots quickly will win.

 

 

Passive popping fools are actually preferable to Avenger spammers. Very little can be done if a team is smart with an avenger.

Off radar + any missile-spamming fast aircraft (e.g. Pyro). You can decimate an Avenger pretty quickly. Or just go on a suicide run with a jet - a few seconds of sustained explosive MGs will at minimum cripple it. The Avenger is very powerful but there are ways.

Smart avenger players will take out a jet, easy the top turrent can aim straight up if Im not mistaken. Pretty sure lock ons dont work if they are both in the back (edit, lock ons do work, it just takes a lot.

That's what off radar is for. Don't bother with missiles either, that just lets them know you're coming. Stay low profile with MGs equipped, and unleash hell. If you can hit them directly with explosive rounds for just a few seconds, that thing is going down shortly, even if you die doing it.

Edited May 7, 2018 by Nutduster