Passive Mode NEEDS PvP changes.

[Primal-J]

Passive mode is a feature designed to protect players from griefing, yet it ultimately fails to protect players from negative behavior from other players in PvE, due to its lack of availability in Organizations and MC businesses.

 

When doing open world business work, players are still absolutely vulnerable to many varieties of griefing from many overpowered vehicles, and the homing missile and explosive sniper "sollutions" have caused more harm than good, becoming griefing tools themselves.

 

The explosive sniper has also made vehicles like the Bombushka and Volatol completely unusable, but that's another topic entirely.

 

 

Passive mode can only be used when performing non-PvE encounters. Most of which tend to result in the opposite, PvP.

 

Passive mode is therefore not used for its primary derogative and instead is used as a feature players can freely abuse in PvP to grief other players and protect themselves in the process.

 

The most common example is people popping in and out of passive mode in a Hydra/Lazer, Savage, Oppressor or Deluxo, blowing people up and then going back into passive mode which is used to simulate invincibility.

 

This is one of the numerous crippling issues that is ruining GTA Online's PvP aspect.

 

There are some ways this could be changed:

 

1. Prevent entering passive mode in weaponized vehicles, or any vehicle with an explosive device attached to it.

 

2. Adjust the way the mental state stat works, stop NPCs from affecting mental state and make it specifically oriented by PvP interaction. Make passive mode only usable by players with 0% mental state and allow them to use weapons in passive mode, but only be able to damage npcs.

 

Either one of these solutions could go a long way. There is already an existing petition with growing support, I have provided a link below.

 

https://www.change.org/p/rockstar-games-removal-of-the-ability-to-enter-passive-mode-in-weaponized-vehicles

[Guest]

About 5 years too late to the party. Passive mode should not have been a thing from day one. It should certainly have had some combat detection (like ghosting a player) to counter passive abusers since the first update.

 

But, people have been requesting passive mode changes since day one and nothing - I wouldn't get your hopes up on a change, especially now Rockstar has shifted direction and incites chaos, mayhem and trolling.

[Yellow Dog with Cone]

About 5 years too late to the party. Passive mode should not have been a thing from day one. It should certainly have had some combat detection (like ghosting a player) to counter passive abusers since the first update.

 

But, people have been requesting passive mode changes since day one and nothing - I wouldn't get your hopes up on a change, especially now Rockstar has shifted direction and incites chaos, mayhem and trolling.

Better late than never don't you think? Even more when there's rumors that the next update is going to be the last one at least while RDR2 gets the spotlight.

 

And yeah, while a change.org petition may be pretty odd, at least it's taking action, also it's not like some random perdon made the petition, it was GhillieMaster, who while may not be as "famous" as people like Broughy or MrBoss, he's getting quite a lot of attebtion for his very informative PvP oriented videos.

 

You think R* doesn't listen? They tried to fix both EWO abuse and curb boosting, with not so great results to be fair, but hey, they tried and maybe they're going to revisit said fixes in the next update too.

 

Edit: I already signed ever since the first day GhillieMaster uploaded a video with the petition:

 

[Youtube]

Edited May 1, 2018 by Voodoo-Hendrix

[Guest]

I was talking about the OP being late to the party not the petition - why you got to go questioning sh*t all the time dude?

[The Wandering Hunter]

if i wasn't lazy i might vote yay

 

but rockstar can't even fix the dissapearing helmet glitch so i have little hope for this anyway

 

i say just remove passive and put in a loading screen top that mentions invite only being a thing.

[RyuNova]

They can disable Passive Mode when driving an armed MOC without anyone in the back but cant disable it when flying or driving a Weaponized Vehicle?

[Yellow Dog with Cone]

They can disable Passive Mode when driving an armed MOC without anyone in the back but cant disable it when flying or driving a Weaponized Vehicle?

Passive Mode also gets disabled when you pilot an Avenger too.

 

The functionality is already there, it should be pretty easy applying it to all weaponized vehicles and aircraft.

 

entitled/offended/tumblr generation more like it....

Aren't you always complaining about the lack of cloth options in the game? Because by your own quote, that would make you "entitled" too.

[Silencer555]

^OP isn't wrong about Passive Mode affecting PvP negatively. Don't think that makes him entitled because Passive Mode is factually bad for PvP.

[fw3]

Passive mode ultimately fails to protect players from negative behavior from other players in PvE.

 

This is one of the numerous crippling issues that is ruining GTA Online's PvP aspect.

1. Players should not be protected doing CEO/MC work. Period.

2. I don't see this as "crippling," nor do I see "numerous" other issues, that you allude to.

3. Most of us understand and share your frustration on the matter, but it's usually something we post in The Official B*tch & Moan Topic and move on. Rockstar likely will never address this.

 

Now, here... have a donut for your troubles. Any one you want:

 

[fatdog]

Looks like lot of passive mode abusers don't want this bs to get addressed.

[Smooth Longsack]

My goal is to not just kill this player (passive pants) but to make them feel bad in chat. I'm the dog in a jet so catch me with that bull. I'll be waiting for that orbital.

[Kiethblacklion]

When I first started playing Online on the X360 shortly after Online went live, I tried using passive mode to avoid the early grievers. They couldn't shoot me and kill me but if I got into a car and they blew the car up, I still died. Now the only time I use passive mode is when I'm in a private with my buddies and they go all Rambo on each other or when I need to pull up the menu to start a job.

Passive mode has had issues since day one and I seriously doubt Rockstar will do anything about it now. No matter what solution they come up with, someone will find a way to abuse it. I wish you luck on trying to get this option changed for the better, but I'm not going to hold my breath.

[Lonely-Martin]

Grow up, dude. You know I'll happily argue all day long but to be frank, in a topic I actually agree with and posted as such, especially as some others dislike topics being derailed, I'd rather just stick to the topic on hand, without having some child join in with the sole intention to troll... not even mentioning the topic matter, your intentions are clear. Unsure what holes are being picked by your blatant disregard to the topic though.

 

Now about that passive mode abuse...

We troll each other. But because you agree with this one, it must remain clear of any possible derailment now.

 

Lol. Take accountability, Hypocrite.

 

As you said Frank, sh*t needs fixing. But you know full well many have been trying to see things like this addressed. Maybe if folk didn't need all these easy methods and bullsh*t ways to force passive players into conflicts, there'd be far less of these abuses too.

 

All the in-game pussies and trolls keep paying. Players too, but clearly outnumbered. Money talks, passive abuses and other dick moves are what keep those paying pussies and trolls in game, along with a host of over priced, over powered toys.

 

Ain't going anywhere with too many buying into this sh*t or being such blind fanboys defending all that's plagued this game, much since day one too.

 

I hope this DLC is last, but I do fear GTA as a franchise has changed so much now. If RDR2 or GTA next are much the same. That's me out anyway.

 

It's too late now in my opinion to see these type of fixes, even businesses being in private/crew sessions. My focus is what's next.

 

Still, couldn't care less what you have to say mind. But to be clear, we are as bad as each other at times.

 

As usual, apologies to all.

[Guest]

 

Give it a rest, dude.

 

When I first started playing Online on the X360 shortly after Online went live, I tried using passive mode to avoid the early grievers. They couldn't shoot me and kill me but if I got into a car and they blew the car up, I still died. Now the only time I use passive mode is when I'm in a private with my buddies and they go all Rambo on each other or when I need to pull up the menu to start a job.

 

Passive mode has had issues since day one and I seriously doubt Rockstar will do anything about it now. No matter what solution they come up with, someone will find a way to abuse it. I wish you luck on trying to get this option changed for the better, but I'm not going to hold my breath.

 

Passive mode changed for CG from LG. LG passive didn't work in vehicles, vehicles could also run you over. They made that change despite a lot of people calling for better changes. Then they added ghost when the passive changes still didn't work. A half ass attempt to pacify those asking for change without upsetting those who abuse the features.

Edited May 1, 2018 by Guest

[Lonely-Martin]

^ Again... Good.

 

Peace out guys.

[U Carmine]

How if we activate Passive Mode, and we are still allowed to use Weapons?

But only against NPC targets, not other players.

And same for vice versa, other players cannot use Weapons on yourself.

So it's kinda like playing Friendly Fire: Off.

[Veleno]

they're too busy fixing important stuff like adding an extra wire to your warehouse laptop or a sentence in one of the many loading screens.

[dino722]

 

Passive mode ultimately fails to protect players from negative behavior from other players in PvE.

This is one of the numerous crippling issues that is ruining GTA Online's PvP aspect.

 

1. Players should not be protected doing CEO/MC work. Period.

2. I don't see this as "crippling," nor do I see "numerous" other issues, that you allude to.

3. Most of us understand and share your frustration on the matter, but it's usually something we post in The Official B*tch & Moan Topic and move on. Rockstar likely will never address this.

Now, here... have a donut for your troubles. Any one you want:

Rockstar has addressed tons of stuff for the past years ( bikers came out after a well made video with lots of petitions, DDH came out after lots of petitions from PvE players and actually brought back thousands of players back, they tried to adress the suicide scene...)

I think what he means by ceo/mc work is that its not fair AT ALL, for a player to come up in a jet or any other armed vehicle just to pop out at the last moment and blow the sh*t out of you with your precious cargo with only to just go back in to passive.... As ceo my self when I see a jet coming up in my map I have an opportunity to bring him down with my explosive sniper, there for no passive for the douch who wants to troll you.

Please dont be the thred police boi, let the modders decide if this is a B&M thread, ( i dont see it as so, and iv seen this petition around youtube/facebook/twitter and now here. The more the better)

Also be more respectful, no need to post donuts pics just because someone is asking opinions on a FORUM, place to exchange thoughts/strategies and complaints...

Have a nice day.

[Primal-J]

 

Passive mode ultimately fails to protect players from negative behavior from other players in PvE.

 

This is one of the numerous crippling issues that is ruining GTA Online's PvP aspect.

1. Players should not be protected doing CEO/MC work. Period.

2. I don't see this as "crippling," nor do I see "numerous" other issues, that you allude to.

3. Most of us understand and share your frustration on the matter, but it's usually something we post in The Official B*tch & Moan Topic and move on. Rockstar likely will never address this.

 

Now, here... have a donut for your troubles. Any one you want:

 

I understand you might not be able to recognize a lot of the issues in PvP if you don't engage in it often.

 

I'll mention a few...

 

Explosive ammo can be purchased in interaction menu, it allows noobs to spam homing launcher on unarmed vehicles and tryhards with modded money to have an infinite supply of RPG ammo.

 

Oppressor can constantly be resummoned from MC spawn list, meaning tryhards can keep griefing.

 

BST is too cheap and too accessible.

 

Orbital Canon can be fired for free with no cooldown if you leave GTA Online within 10 seconds of firing it. Making it spammable.

 

1st person mode straffing gives advantages over 3rd person play and let's players use overpowered weapons like the marksman rifle and hvy sniper at impractical range.

 

Thermal goggles let you shoot through walls and buildings at a certain range meaning you can kill players behind cover with the heavy sniper.

 

Passive popping in a hydra during a dogfight...

 

Ghost organization being abused in Jets.

 

Explosive sniper can be used to grief air vehicles with no skill required. The homing launcher was already problematic but this one takes the piss. Vehicles like the Bombushka and Volatol are useless when someone has an explosive sniper.

 

You might not PvP much, so I appreciate that you might be unfamiliar with some of the persistent flaws, but these are just few of many problems GTA Online's PvP has.

[Arrows to Athens]

 

Passive mode ultimately fails to protect players from negative behavior from other players in PvE.

 

This is one of the numerous crippling issues that is ruining GTA Online's PvP aspect.

1. Players should not be protected doing CEO/MC work. Period.

2. I don't see this as "crippling," nor do I see "numerous" other issues, that you allude to.

3. Most of us understand and share your frustration on the matter, but it's usually something we post in The Official B*tch & Moan Topic and move on. Rockstar likely will never address this.

 

Now, here... have a donut for your troubles. Any one you want:

 

 

They're barely even round. lmao

 

Heptagon donuts!

Edited May 1, 2018 by Arrows to Athens

[flexcreator]

if i wasn't lazy i might vote yay

 

It took me less than 2 minutes to vote.

 

It would take a little longer if you are still not registered at change.org, but still. Less than 10 minutes in the worst case scenario.

You don't even have to type any comment.

[JustCallMeNiko]

Fully agree that passive mode needs to be fixed to help balance pvp...it shouldn't be possible to use it in a Hydra or tank at all...

 

Personally I feel you should only be able to activate/deactivate it as you leave your safehouse with no option to switch it on/off without returning to your house.

[tjakal]

I hope GhillieMaster's petition gain some traction with someone on the dev team. Disabling passive mode for armed vehicles would solve the bulk of the problem.

 

I personally always thought that the best fix would be to force players to visit designated zones in order to disable passivemode once entering it so they can't stalk and grief players by approaching them in passive and then come out and kill once they're back is turned, but this will mitigate the situation and is simple enough to implement that it might actually happen.

 

Remember the 4chan leak claiming they're pretty much restricted from messing with old systems due to in-house policies. Prob why a lot of things that oughta be reworked and patched never is (like that helmet thing). Focused outside pressure like this is prob the ticket a developer interested in fixing an issue with the game needs in order to get the green light to be working on it.

[GuiltySpark]

Leave passive as is, as for armed vehicles sure disable it. Many people on foot really don't wanna have to deal with deluxo, explosive bullet, tank, and oppressor users. Also not everyone wants to fight and instead play in peace so it's really stupid to punish the people who use passive to avoid pvp at all which by far far outnumber the passive abusers.

Edited May 1, 2018 by GuiltySpark

[No Use For A Name]

I hope GhillieMaster's petition gain some traction with someone on the dev team. Disabling passive mode for armed vehicles would solve the bulk of the problem.

It would also create new problems.

 

The Oppressor is my favorite vehicle in the game for stunting and general f*ckery. Im also extremely dangerous on it, having only been killed 3 times (one of which was a Hydra that strafed me while I was afk for a minute). In populated lobbies, Im always in passive while on it to avoid other players thinking Im a griefer.

 

If passive mode is removed, Ill turn into a terrorist and shoot everything it homes in on. Not because Im trying to grief, but for self defense. Flying an Oppressor puts a huge target on my back and I do NOT like other players bothering me while Im minding my own business.

 

Same with weaponized planes, which I enjoy flying for leisure.

 

Same with weaponized ground vehicles, which I enjoy driving for leisure.

[lll-H-I-M-lll]

Bring back the original passive option of punching and no guns

[Silencer555]

 

The Oppressor is my favorite vehicle in the game for stunting and general f*ckery. Im also extremely dangerous on it, having only been killed 3 times (one of which was a Hydra that strafed me while I was afk for a minute). In populated lobbies, Im always in passive while on it to avoid other players thinking Im a griefer.

 

If passive mode is removed, Ill turn into a terrorist and shoot everything it homes in on. Not because Im trying to grief, but for self defense. Flying an Oppressor puts a huge target on my back and I do NOT like other players bothering me while Im minding my own business.

The general idea is to prevent Passive Mode accessibility to armed vehicles right? So how about not equipping missiles on the Oppressor? That way you can still do stunts and stuff without being restricted from Passive Mode since you're not a major threat anymore.

 

Additional Edit: If the above restriction was added, I suppose the solution to still having a viable Oppressor is to get another armed Oppressor. I'd accept that price as it'd solve a lot of abuse these days from Passive hoppers.

Edited May 1, 2018 by Silencer555

[No Use For A Name]

I still use the missiles, mainly for missions and resupplies. I also regularly attack aerial targets (read: griefers). I just dont attack ground targets because it takes zero skill and its lame af

 

Id be totally cool with one of the following options: a different icon for non-weaponized Oppressors. Something to tell others they arent threats; or, the option to install/uninstall the missiles when I need them (ie, before contact missions) without having to repurchase them. We can do that with various MK2 magazines, why not with Oppressor missiles as well?

[Silencer555]

^For the Icon change, they could literally give it no unique icon(Just circle blip) at all if the missiles aren't equipped. That way R* has even less work to do while still keeping the same effect of Passive control.

Edited May 1, 2018 by Silencer555

[Xiled]

Remember the more its talked about the better chance has of seeing it. Glad that demonic posts so many times keeping topics like this at the top of the forum.