[GTAO] What Constitutes or Qualifies Someone as a "Cheater?"

[dragosani00]

I got a snotty message calling me a cheater yesterday.

 

My secondary character was messing about doing a gunrunning collection and some tosspot came after me on his brookstick - being a GR vehicle he/she could not lock onto me. As my character just happened to be at level 250 (nice round number) I received a shirty in game SMS calling me a "cheater with my account I bought on Ebay".

 

After delivernig van he went to hassle some other players so I bought Mr. Akula out to play, he rage quit soon after.

[Kyoto]

If you're over rank 300 on this four and a half year old game, you're a cheater.

If you beat me at PvP, you're a cheater.

If you still whoop my rear end as I use every exploit in the game from A to Z, you're a cheater.

If you use a mechanic I didn't know was in the game like Akula's off radar capabilities, you's a cheater.

If you escape my Oppressor's missiles during a sale, you're a cheater.

Spawn killing me with your Hunter as I try to make my way to my Hydra to cater to my K/D, you're a cheater.

Beat me at a race even after I ram you off the track more than once, you're a cheater.

If your K/D is a decimal higher than mine, you're a cheater.

Doing freemode businesses in an empty public session and not giving me a chance to blow up your hard earned work, cheater?

 

The players in this game are so toxic to the point where the real cheaters call everyone else a cheater so they don't feel like the only cheaters in the game.

[les999]

I feel cheated when someone rams me off the track then goes on to win a race, but technically he's not cheating, he's just being a bad sport who's probably not a good enough driver to win a race fairly.

 

To me a cheater is someone who inconveniences other players or impedes their progress by using unauthorized software to gain an advantage.

[Quinn_flower]

Mod menu.

No no I use one for clothing since yea u you know the speil. So does that make me a cheater if I want to have a bit more fashion than play cod or pubg dress up. Ghost recon even have better clothing than gta online and that's sad even far cry 5.

[GTA-Biker]

IMO people who use glitches and mods to gain unfair advantage over other players are cheaters.

[Yellow Dog with Cone]

IMO, true cheating occurs when affects other players.

 

For example, someone duping cars to avoid the grind and buy fancy cars or whatever, while cheating by definition, it's ot so bad on its own.

 

Now, when someone dupes cars just to be able to spam Ghost Organization, BST and Orbital Cannon shots, well, that's when I take issue.

 

It's even worse when those kind of players justify their actions with the old "it's part of the game" excuse. BOI, you ain't playing by the game's rules in the first place, don't be an hypocrite.

 

If you want to skip the grind fine, but respect those who still grind legit, don't be a dick.

[Arrows to Athens]

I feel cheated when someone rams me off the track then goes on to win a race, but technically he's not cheating, he's just being a bad sport who's probably not a good enough driver to win a race fairly.

 

To me a cheater is someone who inconveniences other players or impedes their progress by using unauthorized software to gain an advantage.

It's funny because driving backwards or ramming other players off the track does not actually give you BS points, even though it's clearly bad sport behavior, but leaving a race does. The real cheaters and glitchers don't get BS, and that's ridiculous. So, for the races, it seems they prefer the idiots who stay in the race, driving backwards around the track, rather than just quitting. This system encourages them to cause trouble. Ruining other people's races by driving backwards ruins other people's experiences, yet you're NOT penalized for doing that. You're better off leaving the race, but you get penalized for that. You see how illogical this system is?

 

 

Edited April 28, 2018 by Arrows to Athens

[Cutter De Blanc]

I disagree that one has to affect someone else's experience to be considered cheating. If I fly my Deluxo under the map in an invite only session, I'm still cheating. I'm just not affecting anyone else with it. The developers did not intend for me to fly my car under the map. I see a lot of people trying to rationalize this sort of stance, because it doesn't affect other people. It doesn't have to. You are exploiting the code in order to play the game in a way that it wasn't meant to be played.

 

As for me, I've always enjoyed doing that in all of my video games, pushing the engine to the limit, seeing exactly what the game is made of. Glitching a game to perform unexpectedly is fun for me. I always like to know HOW a glitch works, WHAT makes doing action X elicit result Y. I wish I had gotten into video game development growing up.

[Smooth Longsack]

 

Mod menu.

No no I use one for clothing since yea u you know the speil. So does that make me a cheater if I want to have a bit more fashion than play cod or pubg dress up. Ghost recon even have better clothing than gta online and that's sad even far cry 5.

Sigh. No, fashionista.

[FuturePastNow]

I define a cheater in GTAO as someone who uses a mod menu to gain an advantage in pvp or competition.

[Big Molio]

It's funny because driving backwards or ramming other players off the track does not actually give you BS points, even though it's clearly bad sport behavior, but leaving a race does. The real cheaters and glitchers don't get BS, and that's ridiculous. So, for the races, it seems they prefer the idiots who stay in the race, driving backwards around the track, rather than just quitting. This system encourages them to cause trouble. Ruining other people's races by driving backwards ruins other people's experiences, yet you're NOT penalized for doing that. You're better off leaving the race, but you get penalized for that. You see how illogical this system is?

 

This is one of the worst aspects of the game to me. I back out of a toxic race because it has devolved into a bad sport sh*tshow, yet Im the bad sport for doing so. Its nuts.

 

I once tried to raise it with R* support, citing what you have illustrated above, but they just fobbed me off. Theyre not interested.

Edited April 29, 2018 by Big Molio

[stagolee]

Using any of the made up vehicles e.g. Deluxo, Stromberg, Ruiner 2000, Oppressor etc. to do anything other than to drive around in.

[tjakal]

Anyone using a modified client is a cheater. Soon as you decide to fork the gamecode and give yourself abilities not intended by the game designers in a public environment you are a cheater no matter if you are naughty or nice.

Anyone accepting aid by a cheater also becomes cheater because they've decided to unlock rewards others would have to play for. In a non competitive sandbox game the impact of a player cheating of course depends on how the individual uses the cheats, but a cheater they are non the less.

 

Bellow this comes gray areas such as glitch exploits and macros, that can range from the severe to the benign. I'd hesitate calling most of these players cheaters cept for the most pathological cases.

 

People being all-out tryhards using griefing tools sanctioned by the game such as EWO spam, explosive suicides, passive mode abuse, flicker strafe etc are not cheaters - they're lamers.

The difference between a lamer and a cheater is that where the cheater should be banned once detected the lamer should simply have it's lameness invalidated by patches delivering proper game design and rebalancing.

Where cheating is somewhat outside of a developers control, lameness isn't.

 

A game with a lot of cheaters is indicative of a flaw in humanity. A game with a lot of lamers is indicative of a flaw in the game (as well as humanity).

Edited April 29, 2018 by tjakal

[R3CON]

I define a cheater in GTAO as someone who uses a mod menu to gain an advantage in pvp or competition.

Same.

 

There's other potential cheats, glitches and mods but as long as it doesn't affect another person directly I don't take issue with it. It's a videogame, people are free to do with it as they wish.

[REXX]

A cheater to me is someone who takes advantage of exploits. For example a god mode glitch, or guns in passive. I am going to admit, I myself have tried a God Mode glitch, but never in a public session.

 

I would fly through Survivals, taking in every bullet fired while going around knifing every enemy Or simply to do VIP work easier or Contact Missions. Best bit was being able to get down from buildings without a parachute

 

I think that if you plan on using such exploits, keep it to yourself like I did in Invite Only sessions or for simply messing around with friends.

 

Using them to an advantage against other players is just plain dumb, annoying and quite frankly, f*cked up.

[fw3]

I disagree that one has to affect someone else's experience to be considered cheating.

I agree with your disagreement.

 

Peeking at the cards while playing Solitaire is still cheating, even though you're playing alone.

 

It's the desire to gain an unfair advantage or to trick someone through nefarious means.

 

Are things like Wall Breaches considered cheating? I mean, they're in the game, right?

What about exploiting glitches or game flaws to make a profit, like The Hooker Glitch?

 

Also, there's a fine line between a player being an actual "cheater" versus a player who just a big ol' toolbag.

[MaddenedGhost]

I disagree that one has to affect someone else's experience to be considered cheating. If I fly my Deluxo under the map in an invite only session, I'm still cheating. I'm just not affecting anyone else with it. The developers did not intend for me to fly my car under the map. I see a lot of people trying to rationalize this sort of stance, because it doesn't affect other people. It doesn't have to. You are exploiting the code in order to play the game in a way that it wasn't meant to be played.

 

As for me, I've always enjoyed doing that in all of my video games, pushing the engine to the limit, seeing exactly what the game is made of. Glitching a game to perform unexpectedly is fun for me. I always like to know HOW a glitch works, WHAT makes doing action X elicit result Y. I wish I had gotten into video game development growing up.

Cheating is act dishonestly or unfairly in order to gain an advantage, and in an online game that's basically anything that gives you an unfair advantage over other players, in my invite only lobby, I'm not gaining any unfair advantage over anyone else, my goal is strictly limited to exploring and that's about it, as soon as I'm out of the interior that I am exploring, that's it, what did I gain from it? nothing, what advantage I have over other players? nothing, am I cheating? nope, not to me anyway.

[MaddenedGhost]

I disagree that one has to affect someone else's experience to be considered cheating. If I fly my Deluxo under the map in an invite only session, I'm still cheating. I'm just not affecting anyone else with it. The developers did not intend for me to fly my car under the map. I see a lot of people trying to rationalize this sort of stance, because it doesn't affect other people. It doesn't have to. You are exploiting the code in order to play the game in a way that it wasn't meant to be played.

 

As for me, I've always enjoyed doing that in all of my video games, pushing the engine to the limit, seeing exactly what the game is made of. Glitching a game to perform unexpectedly is fun for me. I always like to know HOW a glitch works, WHAT makes doing action X elicit result Y. I wish I had gotten into video game development growing up.

Cheating is act dishonestly or unfairly in order to gain an advantage, and in an online game that's basically anything that gives you an unfair advantage over other players, in my invite only lobby, I'm not gaining any unfair advantage over anyone else, my goal is strictly limited to exploring and that's about it, as soon as I'm out of the interior that I am exploring, that's it, what did I gain from it? nothing, what advantage I have over other players? nothing, am I cheating? nope, not to me anyway.

 

Using any of the made up vehicles e.g. Deluxo, Stromberg, Ruiner 2000, Oppressor etc. to do anything other than to drive around in.

Well then, flying in the deluxo is cheating to you then, using the stromberg to dive underwater is cheating to you then, gaining some air with the wings of the oppressor is cheating, jumping with the Ruiner 2000 is cheating, good point you got there.

[Neuling2000]

 

I feel cheated when someone rams me off the track then goes on to win a race, but technically he's not cheating, he's just being a bad sport who's probably not a good enough driver to win a race fairly.

 

To me a cheater is someone who inconveniences other players or impedes their progress by using unauthorized software to gain an advantage.

It's funny because driving backwards or ramming other players off the track does not actually give you BS points, even though it's clearly bad sport behavior, but leaving a race does. The real cheaters and glitchers don't get BS, and that's ridiculous. So, for the races, it seems they prefer the idiots who stay in the race, driving backwards around the track, rather than just quitting. This system encourages them to cause trouble. Ruining other people's races by driving backwards ruins other people's experiences, yet you're NOT penalized for doing that. You're better off leaving the race, but you get penalized for that. You see how illogical this system is?

 

 

 

Stupid system.

Report them but then your race is ruined too because it takes too long to report someone. I finish the race and report the player during the spactating mode or in the next race lobby. And If I'm the host then goodbye dirty racer.

 

PS: I was called a cheater because my Buckingham Swift was faster than their Buzzards.

The VIP Ruiner2000 is cheating too.

Edited April 29, 2018 by Neuling2000

[Cutter De Blanc]

Cheating is act dishonestly or unfairly in order to gain an advantage,

That depends on your definition of cheating. Take something like a "drunk mode" from this game. Is it a cheat? It tells me "Cheat Activated" when I activate it. Doesn't give the player an advantage though. It's just silly fun. Much like wall breaching in an invite only session. What you've gained from it that a legitimate player will not is the experience of flying under the map and seeing the world in a way that the developers did not intend. Edited April 29, 2018 by Cutter De Blanc

[update_lsc]

Having an unfair advantage that you can't have without glitching/external tools such as trainers. Simple as that.

[Blasterman4EVER]

As of Sunday, April 29, 1:52 PM PST, practically everything that could be considered cheating has already been listed in this thread.

 

Judging from a number of responses, whether or not you think something is cheating depends on whether or not you have a conscience, a moral compass, and a sense of what ethics are.

 

This is a reflection of where American culture is, where the truth and the valuing of justice are all but dead; we can't expect cheaters to give an honest answer about what cheating is. Propping up an amoral, unethical, sociopathic gaming atmosphere is their raison d'être.

 

I won't say that listening to their opinions on why universally agreed upon assumptions of what cheating is are useless, because even the worst people can grow and change into decent, reasonable individuals capable of discerning and admitting the differences between playing video games with dignity and cheating.

 

I'll leave the mod menus and screwy glitches alone. The biggest, most dangerous cheat there is right now is killing yourself. It's controversial for the ability to even exist at this point.

Edited April 29, 2018 by Blasterman4EVER

[CosmicBuffalo]

If cheating in GTAO was clearly defined in the terms of service, which it isnt, then we would have a better idea.

 

That being said, its more like real life, a good gut feeling will indicate if whatever you are doing is cheating. Does the ewo feel like cheatin? Yeah, but it also felt bad to leave the actor in the car for the train to pass by or delivering a person to the alturist. How can R* expect someone with a brain and normal income to take their sharkcards serious or see take the EWO when your stuck, oh I am getting beat by another player, I guess Im stuck. As many have said exploding the whole lobby is much further down the scale. I means that the real cheating to me anything less is pretty much endorsed and probably frowned upon, but it comes with the terriorty of the game.

[FuturePastNow]

 

I define a cheater in GTAO as someone who uses a mod menu to gain an advantage in pvp or competition.

Same.

 

There's other potential cheats, glitches and mods but as long as it doesn't affect another person directly I don't take issue with it. It's a videogame, people are free to do with it as they wish.

 

I deliberately kept my definition very narrow.

 

Like, if GTAO was a more traditional MMO with an auction house, I'd consider money glitches cheating. But there's no player-influence at all on the game's "economy". Rockstar's price inflation is pure greed on their part. There's all sorts of glitches and mods that I'm sure R* would consider cheating but if they can't affect me then I couldn't care less.

[xwinkx_girlYakuza]

Some random was shooting a bunch of RPGs at me when i was behind cover but the spot it detonated was way off so it didn't kill me. After i came out of cover to get a head shot with my special carbine i got a non-stop text calling me a cheater and a hacker. So i asked the person if it is possible to do that on PS4? To which i got a reply saying "Heck yeah! So drop me some money or i'll report you!" LOL so i guess i'm a cheater then

 

 

p.s. But just to be clear there is no mod menu for PS4 correct? Sorry for such a noob question

Edited April 30, 2018 by xwinkx_girlYakuza

[Lonely-Martin]

p.s. But just to be clear there is no mod menu for PS4 correct? Sorry for such a noob question

 

PS4/Xbox1 are free of these things for now. The menu's are old gen and PC issues currently.

[Smooth Longsack]

 

 

As of Sunday, April 29, 1:52 PM PST, practically everything that could be considered cheating has already been listed in this thread.

 

Judging from a number of responses, whether or not you think something is cheating depends on whether or not you have a conscience, a moral compass, and a sense of what ethics are.

 

This is a reflection of where American culture is, where the truth and the valuing of justice are all but dead; we can't expect cheaters to give an honest answer about what cheating is. Propping up an amoral, unethical, sociopathic gaming atmosphere is their raison d'être.

 

I won't say that listening to their opinions on why universally agreed upon assumptions of what cheating is are useless, because even the worst people can grow and change into decent, reasonable individuals capable of discerning and admitting the differences between playing video games with dignity and cheating.

 

I'll leave the mod menus and screwy glitches alone. The biggest, most dangerous cheat there is right now is killing yourself. It's controversial for the ability to even exist at this point.

 

Your ego is well versed in English. Why are you so curmudgeonly?

[ALifeOfMisery]

Acutaly so much could be seen as cheating. Dare I open the can of worms and say MTU.... ?

 

 

I'll pick this one up, mostly because I'm interested to see how others view it.

 

I've made no secret of my enjoyment while using MTU lobbies. Is it what R* intends? No, of course not.

 

But is it cheating? I'd say no.

 

I say no, not because I use this method, but because R* don't prevent us from doing anything, other than a few VIP jobs, Clubhouse contracts and freemode events.

 

Also, and this is purely anecdotal, if I'm connected via WiFi rather than LAN and my wife happens to be streaming something, especially 4k, in another room, I'm almost guaranteed to be alone in game anyway. Is this cheating also? It has the exact same end result.

[PwnageSoldier]

EWO, unfair glitches in PvP, mods, etc.

 

Also known as me, because I've done them all (except mods, I don't know how to jailbreak a PS3).

 

EDIT: also known as my ex! AHAHAHAHAHAHA

Edited April 30, 2018 by PwnageSoldier

[Cutter De Blanc]

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We're on opposite sides of the same line, you and I