Quantcast
Jump to content
Search In
  • More options...
Find results that contain...
Find results in...
    1. Welcome to GTAForums!

    2. News

    1. Red Dead Redemption 2

    1. GTA Online

      1. After Hours
      2. Find Lobbies & Players
      3. Guides & Strategies
      4. Vehicles
      5. Content Creator
      6. Help & Support
    2. Crews

      1. Events
      2. Recruitment
    1. Grand Theft Auto Series

    2. GTA Next

    3. GTA V

      1. PC
      2. Guides & Strategies
      3. Help & Support
    4. GTA IV

      1. Episodes from Liberty City
      2. Multiplayer
      3. Guides & Strategies
      4. Help & Support
      5. GTA Mods
    5. GTA Chinatown Wars

    6. GTA Vice City Stories

    7. GTA Liberty City Stories

    8. GTA San Andreas

      1. Guides & Strategies
      2. Help & Support
      3. GTA Mods
    9. GTA Vice City

      1. Guides & Strategies
      2. Help & Support
      3. GTA Mods
    10. GTA III

      1. Guides & Strategies
      2. Help & Support
      3. GTA Mods
    11. Top Down Games

      1. GTA Advance
      2. GTA 2
      3. GTA
    12. Wiki

      1. Merchandising
    1. GTA Modding

      1. GTA V
      2. GTA IV
      3. GTA III, VC & SA
      4. Tutorials
    2. Mod Showroom

      1. Scripts & Plugins
      2. Maps
      3. Total Conversions
      4. Vehicles
      5. Textures
      6. Characters
      7. Tools
      8. Other
      9. Workshop
    3. Featured Mods

      1. DYOM
      2. OpenIV
      3. GTA: Underground
      4. GTA: Liberty City
      5. GTA: State of Liberty
    1. Red Dead Redemption

    2. Rockstar Games

    1. Off-Topic

      1. General Chat
      2. Gaming
      3. Technology
      4. Programming
      5. Movies & TV
      6. Music
      7. Sports
      8. Vehicles
    2. Expression

      1. Graphics / Visual Arts
      2. GFX Requests & Tutorials
      3. Writers' Discussion
      4. Debates & Discussion
    1. Forum Support

    2. Site Suggestions

BUT THE BENZ

The BENZLESS factor

Recommended Posts

BUT THE BENZ

oh god....you people are incredible. and why is my homage to greenrock being deleted? y'all seem to hate me for saying/questioning just anything that makes R* look...."unstable"

 

y'all need a change of perspective, very bad! I mean, @ R* noone ever did what the BENZ did: creating, inventing, managing the seemingly unmanagable "development hell", thus you can't pinpoint what is his he did exactly, what is it he did NOT do you should rather ask...

 

go ahead, make my day

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Gray-Hand

What specific parts of any Rockstar game did The Benz create?

What specific parts did he invent?

What management decisions or directions did he make that made the games good?

 

These arent unfair questions to ask and shouldnt be difficult to answer.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Emmi

As I understand it The Benz oversaw the projects ... so I don't think we should worry that he left the company ... there'll be another person in charge of that now.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
damienrayemusic

What specific parts of any Rockstar game did The Benz create?

What specific parts did he invent?

What management decisions or directions did he make that made the games good?

 

These arent unfair questions to ask and shouldnt be difficult to answer.

^^ what he said.

And benz, i cant speak for others but I dont hate you. I have been a R* games fan alll my life seen all the changes and everything. I just honestly thought you were a troll when I first saw your name but you clearly mean what youre saying about leslie. I remember seeing people always say BUT THE BENZ to eveey single R* related comment and it was f*cking annoying as hell. I figured that your name was a lot like that, just to annoy people the answer is always oh but the benz, nothing will be the same . Thats good it wont be the same. CHANGE is good. And we all admitted the benz did some great things but you sound so ridiculous to be riding the guy so hard that everyone at rockstar goes unnoticed and like there isnt more talent. Rockstar was never a one man team lmao

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
BUT THE BENZ
Posted (edited)

I never intended the issue to become meme or troll material or WHATEVER....the mods here just don't like to hear about it, however fascinating it is, they gave me this awesome name, the avatar I provided myself. the rest is history (written by the winners...)

 

personally I just find the whole thing to be very f*cked up...on a human level, on a customer level...

and the fact it seemingly goes without notice, especially here, nor that anyone seems to care or think it could have been the nail in the coffin for INNOVATIVE R* games....well, people!

Edited by BUT THE BENZ

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Cozzi

Wait... You mean to tell me that this guy ISNT joking?^
Well okay then. lol.
Yeah i don't like what they did to The Benz but I don't like what Konami did to Kojima either. People get f*cked over, cant do nothing about it. Just hope it doesn't affect the quality of the games. hopefully it wont(But it definitely did in Konami's case).

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
DexMacLeod

It's kind of a waste of time even wondering about this. The bottom line is that we'll never know what the game would have looked like if the Benz had stayed so we can't possibly know what impact his departure has. I mean, nobody can even say specifically what it is he did at Rockstar.

 

We do know the same Writers are there and from the trailers and screenshots we see the same attention to detail in the world we normally get from Rockstar. From what little information there is about his role it seems like most of the affects will be noticed more behind the scenes than in the final product.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
damienrayemusic
Posted (edited)

It's kind of a waste of time even wondering about this. The bottom line is that we'll never know what the game would have looked like if the Benz had stayed so we can't possibly know what impact his departure has. I mean, nobody can even say specifically what it is he did at Rockstar.

 

We do know the same Writers are there and from the trailers and screenshots we see the same attention to detail in the world we normally get from Rockstar. From what little information there is about his role it seems like most of the affects will be noticed more behind the scenes than in the final product.

^^nailed it. I couldnt of said it any better. So benz since you or anyone else still cant provide an answer as to what he TRULY did that nobody else in this world can, I say case closed. He was great, things change, people move on, its for the better. Let someone else take charge whose hungry for a shot. Innovation hasnt stopped with them that much is eveident in the trailers and screenshots alone. I just cant take you seriously praising the benz this much especially when its always in caps "oh well thats not happening cuz THE BENZ my dude" "oh the darkness in that email years ago with THE BENZ" lmao Edited by damienrayemusic

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
BUT THE BENZ
Posted (edited)

well, who else executively produced the best selling entertainment franchise, in the history of...mankind?

Edited by BUT THE BENZ

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Spider-Vice

well, who else executively produced the best selling entertainment franchise, in the history of...mankind?

Nice hole you dug there, the executive producer of the GTA's is Sam Houser! :lol:

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Dee.

 

well, who else executively produced the best selling entertainment franchise, in the history of...mankind?

Nice hole you dug there, the executive producer of the GTA's is Sam Houser! :lol:

 

BUT THE BENZ

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
BUT THE BENZ

yeah well my "bad"...I knew a few seconds after I posted that you'd not think ahead and just get hung up on that word by definition. I meant executively "produced" as in to actually PRODUCE something...to create, to write the code, to tweak the gameplay, to enhance the experience by technical know how, or something...I have no flipping idea on how game development works etc...what I didn't mean though was to copy/paste stories of old movies, doing blow and shouting at people. I know that's what the housers are great at.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
gonnaenodaethat
Posted (edited)

...I have no flipping idea on how game development works etc...what I didn't mean though was to copy/paste stories of old movies, doing blow and shouting at people. I know that's what the housers are great at.

 

aHaha..loving your style.

 

I think it's time sir to release the Benzbots.

Edited by gonnaenodaethat

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
YES IT'S ME ARTHUR

The Benz is gone

we talk about rockstar in gta forums

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Zello
Posted (edited)

Los Angeles, California E3 2014

 

 

It was late and after midnight. E3 was in full swing and earlier that night Sony announced GTA V was coming to next gen consoles on their stage. It was huge because Rockstar rarely attends E3. To celebrate The Benz and a couple other people went to a bar. The bar that night was full of the biggest names from around the industry. Sitting down with a couple Ubisoft employees was Yves Guilliemot, Andrew Wilson was enjoying a couple drinks by himself, and Hideo Kojima was having a heated conversation on the phone with Konami.

 

Shigeru Myamoto walks in and greets The Benz.

 

"Shigeru!"

 

"The Benz!"

 

"Sit down and have a drink. Give everyone a drink. Hell give those French f*cks over there a drink."

 

Yves Guillemot raises his glass

 

"There's only one Frenchman here. The rest of these guys are from Montreal."

 

"It feels good to be at E3."

 

Sam Houser walks into the bar. It wasn't everyday that Rockstar went to E3 even if it was Sony that made the announcement it was a special moment to see Rockstar here.

 

"Look at this Sam Houser all dressed up and doin the town. Look at this Sammy. Sammy! OH OH. Sammy!"

 

While he didn't look like it. Sam was furious at the Benz for putting his name at end of the GTA online credits. Everyone knows Sam's name always goes last. He hadn't spoken to The Benz in 8 months because of that. He thought The Benz was planning to take Rockstar away from him.

 

"Get over here I ain't seen ya in eight f*cking months. Jesus you look terrific."

 

"Watch the suit watch the suit. This sh*t cost me two thousand bucks."

 

"Watch the suit? I've known ya since the beginning. Don't let those sharkcards get to ya head."

 

"Yeah yeah just don't go bustin my balls okay."

 

"Sam if I was going to bust ya balls I'd tell ya to go get your boombox."

 

Sam Houser's face turns red and everyone at the bar starts laughing.

 

"We used to call him boomboxin Sammy. He'd always walk down the street with that thing. It was the best though you'd see him everyday on the corner bopping his head up and down."

 

"No more boomboxes Benz, I don't know if you heard but I don't do that sh*t no more."

 

"Relax I'm just joking around. I ain't seen ya in 8 f*cking months."

 

"It doesn't seem like it. Especially in front of everyone here."

 

"Jesus I'm sorry it won't happen again I promise. Now go home and get your boombox."

 

Sam Houser smashes his glass and starts shouting at The Benz. A couple people held Sam back and escorted him out of the bar.

 

An hour passed and the bar had pretty much emptied out aside from The Benz and a couple Rockstar employees he was talking to them about his vision for GTA online.

 

"It shouldn't just be about sharkcards y'know. Online should be different than any other online experience out there it's how we get people to come back. Just wait until we release heists."

 

Sam Houser sneaks back into the bar and smacks The Benz in the back of the head with a bottle. They both start wrestling on the ground but Sam wins.

 

"I've had enough of your sh*t for years you're fired."

 

Sam left when hes get back to New York He'd say that The Benz was taking a sabbatical then convince Strauss they'd be better without him. When The Benz would show up again after the sabbitical he'd be fired.

Edited by Zello

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Emmi

^ omg ... keep the stories coming, so good :)

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
BUT THE BENZ

great as always zello, wrong thread though. this thread is not about fiction. but while we're at it:

here a piece of fiction to reflect what the houser bros snakes did to the benz, kind of close to what actually happened

 

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Gray-Hand
Posted (edited)

The Benz: Where the f*ck do you get off talking to people about me behind my back, going over my head?

 

Sam Howser: What people?

 

Benz: What people, d'ja think I wasn't gonna find out?

 

Howser: I don't even know what you're talking about Leslie...

 

The Benz: No? You said I'm bringing heat on YOU? I gotta listen to people because of your f*ckin sh*t? You're orderin me on a sabbatical? You better get your own f*ckin army pal!

 

Howser: I didn't do anything, I mean, I didn't order you or anybody. I only told Strauss Zelnick that you had a lot of heat on you and that was a problem.

 

Benz: You want me to get out of my own f*ckin game company?

 

Howser: Yeah I said l-let the bullsh*t blow over for a while, so I can run the studio. Anything goes wrong with the studio it's my ass, it's not yours, it's my ass!

 

Howser: Oh I don't know whether you know this or not, but you only have your f*ckin studio because I made that possible. I'm what counts out here, not your E3 or your f*ckin Sharkcards! And what the f*ck are you doing on at E3 anyhow? You know I get calls from back home every f*ckin day, they think you went bat sh*t!

 

Howser: I'm only at E3 because I got to be able to hang around the industry. You understand that, you know that, come on.

 

The Benz: Your f*ckin ass! You coulda had the head writer for single player DLC without going to E3. You wanted to go on E3.

 

Howser: Yeah I did want to go on E3. That way I have a forum, I can fight back. I'm known. People see me. Publishers know they can't f*ck around with me like they could if I was an unknown, that's right, yeah!

 

The Benz: You're making a big f*ckin spectacle of yourself

 

Sam Howser: Me? I wouldn't even be in this situation if it wasn't for you. You brought down so much f*ckin heat on me, I mean every time I meet somebody the big question is "when Are Heists coming out?"

 

The Benz: Oh sure now you wanna bring the f*cking delayed GTAOnline rollout on me, is that it?

 

Sam Howser: No, Leslie, when you asked me if you could produce GTAOnline what did I tell you? I mean you asked me and I know you were gonna develop it no matter what I said, but what did I tell you? Do you remember what I told you? Do you remember what I told you?

 

The Benz: Back- Back up, back up a f*ckin' minute here. One minute. I asked you? When the f*ck did I ever ask you if I could code Online content? Get this through your head, you...

 

Howser: You never...

 

The Benz: Get this through your head you Limey motherf*cker, you. You only exist out here because of me! That's the only reason. Without me, you, personally, every f*ckin' publisher skell around'll take a piece of your f*ckin' Limey ass! Then where you gonna go? You're f*ckin' warned! Don't ever go over my f*ckin' head again. You motherf*cker, you!

Edited by Gray-Hand

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
BUT THE BENZ
Posted (edited)

remember how towards the end of CASINO, how the brothers end up? yeah

Edited by BUT THE BENZ

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Mas u Sees

I can easily imagine how GTA6 would be different to GTA3-5 if the Howsers stepped away from the writing and were replaced by, say Hideo Kojima or Rhianna Pratchett. Its easy because I am familiar with their style and I know what they do differently to other writers.

 

I have absolutely no idea how RDR2 will be different to RDR1 with The Benz gone. Thats because I have no idea, and no one seems to know, what The Benz did differently to anyone else who has a similar job, and how that affects the final product.

 

Seriously - there has to be some The Benz acolyte out there who can explain what The Benz does differently and what effect it has on the final product.

He was known for being a good Manager, you know, like efficiently carrying projects to completion.

He also only had a Game Design credit on GTA V(not the older GTAs), probably because he came up with the whole idea of GTA Online.

 

Also I imagine part of the reason he was fired was because he kind of couldn't handle GTA Vs/Onlines long term support, with GTA Online failing catastrophically up to 2014, when he left for sabbatical.

After 2014, the Updates started become, "meatier", and Heists were finally finished, so maybe he really did have performance problems after Vs release.

 

 

 

This is what one Ex-Rockstar employee (QA Tester) said about The Benz(he is the one being reffered to as one of the head producers here)

 

 

 

[...]After passing that trial, I knew I had to get out of dodge as soon as possible. There was literally a second QA department made up of people they dragged off the street, and they were given MORE remit to test than the actual professional department. Worse still, we had to babysit their issues, fix their mistakes and generally do their job for them fairly often. And oh, there's the times when we had to do a playtest with one of the head producers! That was a treat. A man who would sit in a playtest and blurt out half baked, often invective riddled ideas as he played, and the poor designer had to sit by and basically promise to try them out. Solid ideas like "No friendly fire, but allow friendly melee attacks", essentially allowing any trolls to kill their entire team in the spawn area. And "If you get hit by a bullet add a few miliseconds of input delay". Great idea, if you're hit once, you're now LESS able to defend yourself! Of course, none of these ideas made it into the game, because they were clearly ridiculous. But it didn't stop each and every one getting implemented on the whim of but one man.[...]

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
BUT THE BENZ

bump!

watch as things unfold, these days, and you more and more come to realize that you forgot the most important thing about it all...THE BENZLESS FACTOR!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Mas u Sees

bump!

watch as things unfold, these days, and you more and more come to realize that you forgot the most important thing about it all...THE BENZLESS FACTOR!

Just read what actual R* employees said up there about your Benz.

 

Funny that you didnt even respond to my post but chose to ignore it.

Maybe because it exposes what a darn f*cking Troll you are.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
gonnaenodaethat

I just remembered I once took a pish in a giant plantpot in his lobby after a heavy sesh in the 'tic

 

....sorry Lez

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Dee.

I don't know what the hell you just said...

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
gonnaenodaethat

I don't know what the hell you just said...

 

No change there then... :lol:

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Ondr4H

With The Benz Rockstar stayed on foot, Singleplayer DLCs, friendly online, relatively realistic games.

After he left, they lost mind almost with everything.

Im aware that RDR2 will not have feel from old rockstar games.

Just saying...

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Mas u Sees

I don't know what the hell you just said...

He pissed into a plant pot at Leslies lobby after a long session at work.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
BUT THE BENZ
Posted (edited)

 

bump!

watch as things unfold, these days, and you more and more come to realize that you forgot the most important thing about it all...THE BENZLESS FACTOR!

Just read what actual R* employees said up there about your Benz.

 

Funny that you didnt even respond to my post but chose to ignore it.

Maybe because it exposes what a darn f*cking Troll you are.

 

yeah, well, unless I talk to that dude in person I'm not gonna buy it, not gonna "assume" it is the benz he was speaking of. and even if, haters gonna hate.

tbh I didn't think it was worth mentioning/quoting because it is so out there....'I worked at R* and it was all not so great'...and srsly, you think a guy wouldn't know it is the BENZ he is sharing the same air in the room with? (little pun, for you blasphemists) aren't these people allowed to name names in their review about their workplace? especially those of the big wigs in charge!

 

but if you wanna make a big deal out of it. be my guest:

prove to me that this comment is not fabricated, and that it was indeed the benz this person was adressing.

 

this could be fun...

Edited by BUT THE BENZ

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Mas u Sees

 

 

bump!

watch as things unfold, these days, and you more and more come to realize that you forgot the most important thing about it all...THE BENZLESS FACTOR!

Just read what actual R* employees said up there about your Benz.

 

Funny that you didnt even respond to my post but chose to ignore it.

Maybe because it exposes what a darn f*cking Troll you are.

 

yeah, well, unless I talk to that dude in person I'm not gonna buy it, not gonna "assume" it is the benz he was speaking of. and even if, haters gonna hate.

tbh I didn't think it was worth mentioning/quoting because it is so out there....'I worked at R* and it was all not so great'...and srsly, you think a guy wouldn't know it is the BENZ he is sharing the same air in the room with? (little pun, for you blasphemists) aren't these people allowed to name names in their review about their workplace? especially those of the big wigs in charge!

 

but if you wanna make a big deal out of it. be my guest:

prove to me that this comment is not fabricated, and that it was indeed the benz this person was adressing.

 

this could be fun...

 

There is no direct proof I can provide, but the Benz, is the only head producer at North, AND he was solely responsible for GTA Online.

It can only, by the laws of logic be him.

 

 

 

Next time I walk by Everywhere studios in Edinburgh, I'll make sure to take a piss near the Benzs walk in, just to truly give him an essence what it would be like listening to you.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Dee.

 

I don't know what the hell you just said...

 

No change there then... :lol:

 

Not like it ever mattered :D

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Guest
This topic is now closed to further replies.

×

Important Information

By using GTAForums.com, you agree to our Terms of Use and Privacy Policy.