IV Song Removal Due to Licenses expiring.

[zanesix]

Hate to ask but, does The Complete Edition of GTA IV worth purchasing? Does it include all of the radio stations from IV [The Vibe, JNR, etc?] and EFLC [Vice City FM and Ram Jam FM?]

The complete edition is just a bundle of IV + EFLC, they aren't combined in any way.

 

Edit: f*ckin ninja'd again

Edited April 28, 2018 by zanesix

[Se7en-Rus]

The best part us, Rockstar seems to have TRIED to do branching on PC before, but somehow failed badly each time. How can a developer rolling in money be so inept when it comes to the handling of its legacy titles? Rockstar always find a way though and it punishes us, the buyers, each time.

But the issue ISN'T that they've lost songs, yes that happens, it sucks, it's HOW Rockstar then decide to be lazy and just patch it out of ALL copies, that's the issue, most of us own GTA IV now so if they did the right thing, we wouldn't be affected. It's down to Rockstar not wanting to branch builds because they're just that lazy for some reason

 

Maybe that is the case here, they tried branching first thing with GTA: Vice City in 2012. Something (we can only guess what) went wrong or was too much complicated so two years later with GTA: San Andreas and so forth they decided it’s impossible or not worth doing different builds. It is short-sighted to just blame developers of laziness or ineptitude because you cannot know the exact reasons of the decisions that have been made.

 

Edit: One more thing on this. You said this:

 

Again, it could be part of contract the music studio put in if they want to. Forcing R* to remove the songs after the contract expires. So it isn't 100% R*'s fault on this. As I said three times already, we don't know how the contract is written and what was said behind close doors. So instant blaming R* for this is just silly and childish

 

I made bold the part I wanted to emphasize. If this is true, and maybe it is, then we should still blame Rockstar. Wanna know why? Because this is GTA we're talking about, not Smuggler's Run, SSX, or Madden '08! GTA games have DECADES of staying power. For all my blasting of IV in the IV vs V debates in the V Forum, IV is still a GTA game, and Rockstar/Take2 simply had to know people would still be playing it ten and more years later. Hell, how many of us still play GTA III and VC, which are coming up on........wait for it....................20 years old in a few years? San Andreas is now almost 14. So you can't tell me that Rockstar/Take2 is not to blame if they were either too cheap to negotiate a longer license OR refused to set aside a few dollars for this very purpose in some "Preserve GTA IV content" fund ten years ago.

 

Funny thing is you are speaking from today’s perspective. But in 2006-07, when music licensing for GTA IV were going on, even GTA 3 was just 5-6 years old so I think it was totally reasonable for Rockstar to conclude 10 year licensing agreements.

Edited April 28, 2018 by Se7en-Rus

[StormerBoy]

So can anyone confirm that ps3 complete addition has had no songs removed?

[JimFitzgeraldBiker]

So can anyone confirm that ps3 complete addition has had no songs removed?

I have it and i can confirm that the update is still not ready.

[EpsilonProgram]

I've got a few questions, hoping someone can answer.

 

I have the original GTA4 for PS3, and I bought the DLC digitally. So if I were to install the game now, I could avoid updates and play the vanilla copy of the game.

 

With that in mind, was there a day 1 patch, or one within the first week or so back then? Was there anything game breaking without any updates? I don't remember.

 

If I download and install Episodes from LC, will it force updates on me?

 

Finally, if I were to buy the complete edition.

 

Does that version have updates, up to that point, already installed on disc? Meaning, could I install that game without updating to the latest patch and have the bug fixes while keeping the old songs?

 

Thanks!

If you download the DLC now, it will be the updated version, the songs are removed, if you had downloaded the DLC before the update, the old version will be the one you have. But even then, if you were to had some sort of data loss from your hard drive and needed to re-download, it will be the new version that pops up, so it's kind of a dead end. If you have the GTA IV disc, that will not be updated as those are unaffected , you just will be prompted to download the patches that Rockstar released years ago for glitches, bug, misc fixes.

 

It will be better if you get The Complete Edition disc that has both GTA IV and EFLC, that has not been updated at all for PS3, Rockstar last issued that Disc in 2010, so soundtrack is intact.

 

Again the update on last gen consoles is only for digital versions that are purchased or re-downloaded after April 26th, discs are not affected.

So can anyone confirm that ps3 complete addition has had no songs removed?

No songs removed if you're on disc, the update is only for digital versions that are purchased or re-downloaded after April 26th.

Edited April 28, 2018 by EpsilonProgram

[JimFitzgeraldBiker]

 

I've got a few questions, hoping someone can answer.

 

I have the original GTA4 for PS3, and I bought the DLC digitally. So if I were to install the game now, I could avoid updates and play the vanilla copy of the game.

 

With that in mind, was there a day 1 patch, or one within the first week or so back then? Was there anything game breaking without any updates? I don't remember.

 

If I download and install Episodes from LC, will it force updates on me?

 

Finally, if I were to buy the complete edition.

 

Does that version have updates, up to that point, already installed on disc? Meaning, could I install that game without updating to the latest patch and have the bug fixes while keeping the old songs?

 

Thanks!

If you download the DLC now, it will be the updated version, the songs are removed, if you had downloaded the DLC before the update, the old version will be the one you have. But even then, if you were to had some sort of data loss from your hard drive and needed to re-download, it will be the new version that pops up, so it's kind of a dead end. If you have the GTA IV disc, that will not be updated as those are unaffected , you just will be prompted to download the patches that Rockstar released years ago for glitches, bug, misc fixes.

 

It will be better if you get The Complete Edition disc that has both GTA IV and EFLC, that has not been updated at all for PS3, Rockstar last issued that Disc in 2010, so soundtrack is intact.

 

Again the update on last gen consoles is only for digital versions that are purchased or re-downloaded after April 26th, discs are not affected.

So can anyone confirm that ps3 complete addition has had no songs removed?

No songs removed if you're on disc, the update is only for digital versions that are purchased or re-downloaded after April 26th.What about the PSN versions of TLAD and TBOGT (Not the EFLC Package)? What if I deleted TLAD and then redownloaded the DLC? Am i going to lose Bathory - call from the grave? But still keep David Guetta - When love takes over since i did not redownloaded TBOGT?

[EpsilonProgram]

 

 

I've got a few questions, hoping someone can answer.

 

I have the original GTA4 for PS3, and I bought the DLC digitally. So if I were to install the game now, I could avoid updates and play the vanilla copy of the game.

 

With that in mind, was there a day 1 patch, or one within the first week or so back then? Was there anything game breaking without any updates? I don't remember.

 

If I download and install Episodes from LC, will it force updates on me?

 

Finally, if I were to buy the complete edition.

 

Does that version have updates, up to that point, already installed on disc? Meaning, could I install that game without updating to the latest patch and have the bug fixes while keeping the old songs?

 

Thanks!

If you download the DLC now, it will be the updated version, the songs are removed, if you had downloaded the DLC before the update, the old version will be the one you have. But even then, if you were to had some sort of data loss from your hard drive and needed to re-download, it will be the new version that pops up, so it's kind of a dead end. If you have the GTA IV disc, that will not be updated as those are unaffected , you just will be prompted to download the patches that Rockstar released years ago for glitches, bug, misc fixes.

 

It will be better if you get The Complete Edition disc that has both GTA IV and EFLC, that has not been updated at all for PS3, Rockstar last issued that Disc in 2010, so soundtrack is intact.

 

Again the update on last gen consoles is only for digital versions that are purchased or re-downloaded after April 26th, discs are not affected.

So can anyone confirm that ps3 complete addition has had no songs removed?

No songs removed if you're on disc, the update is only for digital versions that are purchased or re-downloaded after April 26th.

What about the PSN versions of TLAD and TBOGT (Not the EFLC Package)? What if I deleted TLAD and then redownloaded the DLC? Am i going to lose Bathory - call from the grave? But still keep David Guetta - When love takes over since i did not redownloaded TBOGT?

 

Yes, you will lose that song from TLAD if you were to delete and redownload, as the old download version is no longer available on PSN. And TBOGT is safe since you have not re-downloaded.

Edited April 28, 2018 by EpsilonProgram

[JimFitzgeraldBiker]

 

 

 

I've got a few questions, hoping someone can answer.

 

I have the original GTA4 for PS3, and I bought the DLC digitally. So if I were to install the game now, I could avoid updates and play the vanilla copy of the game.

 

With that in mind, was there a day 1 patch, or one within the first week or so back then? Was there anything game breaking without any updates? I don't remember.

 

If I download and install Episodes from LC, will it force updates on me?

 

Finally, if I were to buy the complete edition.

 

Does that version have updates, up to that point, already installed on disc? Meaning, could I install that game without updating to the latest patch and have the bug fixes while keeping the old songs?

 

Thanks!

If you download the DLC now, it will be the updated version, the songs are removed, if you had downloaded the DLC before the update, the old version will be the one you have. But even then, if you were to had some sort of data loss from your hard drive and needed to re-download, it will be the new version that pops up, so it's kind of a dead end. If you have the GTA IV disc, that will not be updated as those are unaffected , you just will be prompted to download the patches that Rockstar released years ago for glitches, bug, misc fixes.

 

It will be better if you get The Complete Edition disc that has both GTA IV and EFLC, that has not been updated at all for PS3, Rockstar last issued that Disc in 2010, so soundtrack is intact.

 

Again the update on last gen consoles is only for digital versions that are purchased or re-downloaded after April 26th, discs are not affected.

So can anyone confirm that ps3 complete addition has had no songs removed?

No songs removed if you're on disc, the update is only for digital versions that are purchased or re-downloaded after April 26th.

What about the PSN versions of TLAD and TBOGT (Not the EFLC Package)? What if I deleted TLAD and then redownloaded the DLC? Am i going to lose Bathory - call from the grave? But still keep David Guetta - When love takes over since i did not redownloaded TBOGT?

 

Yes, you will lose that song from TLAD if you were to delete and redownload, as the old download version is no longer available. And TBOGT is safe since you have not re-downloaded.Okay thanks, sh*t i dont know what to do if i accidentally deleted both DLC's since i want to keep listening to those DLC songs while playing GTA 4.

[EpsilonProgram]

 

 

 

 

I've got a few questions, hoping someone can answer.

 

I have the original GTA4 for PS3, and I bought the DLC digitally. So if I were to install the game now, I could avoid updates and play the vanilla copy of the game.

 

With that in mind, was there a day 1 patch, or one within the first week or so back then? Was there anything game breaking without any updates? I don't remember.

 

If I download and install Episodes from LC, will it force updates on me?

 

Finally, if I were to buy the complete edition.

 

Does that version have updates, up to that point, already installed on disc? Meaning, could I install that game without updating to the latest patch and have the bug fixes while keeping the old songs?

 

Thanks!

If you download the DLC now, it will be the updated version, the songs are removed, if you had downloaded the DLC before the update, the old version will be the one you have. But even then, if you were to had some sort of data loss from your hard drive and needed to re-download, it will be the new version that pops up, so it's kind of a dead end. If you have the GTA IV disc, that will not be updated as those are unaffected , you just will be prompted to download the patches that Rockstar released years ago for glitches, bug, misc fixes.

 

It will be better if you get The Complete Edition disc that has both GTA IV and EFLC, that has not been updated at all for PS3, Rockstar last issued that Disc in 2010, so soundtrack is intact.

 

Again the update on last gen consoles is only for digital versions that are purchased or re-downloaded after April 26th, discs are not affected.

So can anyone confirm that ps3 complete addition has had no songs removed?

No songs removed if you're on disc, the update is only for digital versions that are purchased or re-downloaded after April 26th.

What about the PSN versions of TLAD and TBOGT (Not the EFLC Package)? What if I deleted TLAD and then redownloaded the DLC? Am i going to lose Bathory - call from the grave? But still keep David Guetta - When love takes over since i did not redownloaded TBOGT?

 

Yes, you will lose that song from TLAD if you were to delete and redownload, as the old download version is no longer available. And TBOGT is safe since you have not re-downloaded.Okay thanks, sh*t i dont know what to do if i accidentally deleted both DLC's since i want to keep listening to those DLC songs while playing GTA 4.

 

I will recommend you to get an external hard drive and do a backup of the PS3 data, that way if something ever happens, you have the old file for both DLC's and don't have to re-download.

[Se7en-Rus]

So, PS3 PSN versions got updated too.

GTA IV

Old size 10.27 GB. New size 10.17 GB

GTA EFLC

Old size 7.81 GB. New size 7.72 GB

 

I'm not sure what version you get, if try redownload game from PSN account.

 

Comparing jsons from 2014 and today, I can see the same file sizes and PSN download links for digital GTA IV, TLaD, TBoGT and EfLC. Everything was purchased long time ago, so I presume someone who already owns the game and episodes digitally on PSN should be able to download and play the original version, at least before applying subsequent update(s).

[Gnocchi Flip Flops]

Happily enjoying the cut music on my Xbox One right now. Glad I can peacefully avoid this horrible patch.

[Fuzz_ball]

To avoid quoting stuff;

td;lr - Not 100% R* fault on this. It is 50% R*, 50% Music Studio.

If you love the song, add it to custom MP3 folder in the game. Stop moaning over it. <:

[Gnocchi Flip Flops]

To avoid quoting stuff;

td;lr - Not 100% R* fault on this. It is 50% R*, 50% Music Studio.

If you love the song, add it to custom MP3 folder in the game. Stop moaning over it. <:

Bullsh*t. And it is 100% worth moaning about.

[Interface]

You get content removed from a game you have already purchased. Well, moaning is the appropriate reaction.

 

I started to dislike R* because of GTA V, now I am done with them. GTA VI will not hype me at all because now I know that this company has become a piece of garbage. I have already canceled my RDR preorder.

Edited April 29, 2018 by Interface

[Gravarty]

I just downloaded GTA IV from the PSN Store and it still has the original soundtrack, nice!

[EpsilonProgram]

I just downloaded GTA IV from the PSN Store and it still has the original soundtrack, nice!

Did you purchase the game just now or you just re-downloaded a purchase done before April 26th?

[Van Nelle]

I've got a few questions, hoping someone can answer.

 

I have the original GTA4 for PS3, and I bought the DLC digitally. So if I were to install the game now, I could avoid updates and play the vanilla copy of the game.

 

With that in mind, was there a day 1 patch, or one within the first week or so back then? Was there anything game breaking without any updates? I don't remember.

 

If I download and install Episodes from LC, will it force updates on me?

 

Finally, if I were to buy the complete edition.

 

Does that version have updates, up to that point, already installed on disc? Meaning, could I install that game without updating to the latest patch and have the bug fixes while keeping the old songs?

 

Thanks!

If you bought DLCs before re-release, they should have the songs. Your download list isn't affected by what happens in the store. Games and DLCs you have bought are available for you to download even after they're removed from PSN store, and the same should be with original GTA IV DLCs. I think.

 

To be sure, check the files size in your download list. Re-released DLCs supposedly have smaller file size due to soundtrack cuts. If the files size of your purchased DLCs are larger than those in the store, you should be OK.

 

Onto your next question, I heard of GTA IV having problems with the game freezing, that were fixed with an early patch. I think it was a common issue with multi-platform games on PS3 back then. But you don't need to download all patches. Just cancel after installing second-to-last patch, quit the game and go offline.

[JimFitzgeraldBiker]

 

I've got a few questions, hoping someone can answer.

 

I have the original GTA4 for PS3, and I bought the DLC digitally. So if I were to install the game now, I could avoid updates and play the vanilla copy of the game.

 

With that in mind, was there a day 1 patch, or one within the first week or so back then? Was there anything game breaking without any updates? I don't remember.

 

If I download and install Episodes from LC, will it force updates on me?

 

Finally, if I were to buy the complete edition.

 

Does that version have updates, up to that point, already installed on disc? Meaning, could I install that game without updating to the latest patch and have the bug fixes while keeping the old songs?

 

Thanks!

If you bought DLCs before re-release, they should have the songs. Your download list isn't affected by what happens in the store. Games and DLCs you have bought are available for you to download even after they're removed from PSN store, and the same should be with original GTA IV DLCs. I think.

 

To be sure, check the files size in your download list. Re-released DLCs supposedly have smaller file size due to soundtrack cuts. If the files size of your purchased DLCs are larger than those in the store, you should be OK.

 

Onto your next question, I heard of GTA IV having problems with the game freezing, that were fixed with an early patch. I think it was a common issue with multi-platform games on PS3 back then. But you don't need to download all patches. Just cancel after installing second-to-last patch, quit the game and go offline.

Or how about this, download all of GTA 4's patches until it reaches to a 6GB patch.

[MeatSafeMurderer]

To avoid quoting stuff;

td;lr - Not 100% R* fault on this. It is 50% R*, 50% Music Studio.

If you love the song, add it to custom MP3 folder in the game. Stop moaning over it. <:

Still kissing R*'s ass I see. Well, whatever. You want to blame the studios for R* screwing over copies we already own...go right ahead. We're all laughing at you.

Also this

> add it to custom MP3 folder in the game. Stop moaning over it.

Is extremely short sighted. You're basically throwing anyone who isn't on PC under the bus. Not to mention that isn't an actual solution at all.

 

 

Or how about this, download all of GTA 4's patches until it reaches to a 6GB patch.

You can't. The patches are cumulative. Unless you have a modified console it's all or nothing.

[Magic_Al]

So apparently they're not going to mess with already-downloaded console DLC but if you have to re-download you don't get the original versions. I've reorganized my Xbox 360 data to have my episodic DLC on a USB drive. Is there a way to make a backup copy of this? It lets you transfer to USB but then you still just have one copy. How do you make a spare that will work if the originals are corrupted?

[Zello]

Time to buy a bunch of physical copies of IV complete edition just in case.

[MeatSafeMurderer]

So apparently they're not going to mess with already-downloaded console DLC but if you have to re-download you don't get the original versions. I've reorganized my Xbox 360 data to have my episodic DLC on a USB drive. Is there a way to make a backup copy of this? It lets you transfer to USB but then you still just have one copy. How do you make a spare that will work if the originals are corrupted?

If you have a PC you can use DD on Linux to clone the drive to a couple of different drives, giving you 3 identical copies of the data stored on the drive today.

[JRC99]

Well, this blows. They removed all of my favorite songs.

[Domand]

Why Rockstar!! You got rid of some pretty good jams from Vladivostok! Even the the song that Roman has on at the start of the game!!!

[Magic_Al]

 

So apparently they're not going to mess with already-downloaded console DLC but if you have to re-download you don't get the original versions. I've reorganized my Xbox 360 data to have my episodic DLC on a USB drive. Is there a way to make a backup copy of this? It lets you transfer to USB but then you still just have one copy. How do you make a spare that will work if the originals are corrupted?

If you have a PC you can use DD on Linux to clone the drive to a couple of different drives, giving you 3 identical copies of the data stored on the drive today.

 

Thanks. I have a Mac but it also has DD.

Create ISO Images from the Command Line

How to Copy an ISO to a USB Drive from Mac OS X with dd

[Fuzz_ball]

 

To avoid quoting stuff;

td;lr - Not 100% R* fault on this. It is 50% R*, 50% Music Studio.

If you love the song, add it to custom MP3 folder in the game. Stop moaning over it. <:

Still kissing R*'s ass I see. Well, whatever. You want to blame the studios for R* screwing over copies we already own...go right ahead. We're all laughing at you.

Also this

> add it to custom MP3 folder in the game. Stop moaning over it.

Is extremely short sighted. You're basically throwing anyone who isn't on PC under the bus. Not to mention that isn't an actual solution at all.

 

 

 

"Still kissing R*'s ass"

Real classy... I'm staying neutral in this issue, but seeing people are truly blind, is what make lot of the fandom toxic. Comments like that is what is toxic, since you have no idea what goes on behind close doors, but hey, I'm more of laughing at you.

 

Question is, is it only an update to PC, or are PS3/Xbox360 included? By my understanding, only effecting PC, but then again, modding those two systems is quite easy. Then again, can mute the music in the game and listen to the oringal music on your computer? thought of that? No? Why, because you and everybody else is just mopping and moaning over this whole ordeal. You started to attack me, for pointing out the main logic in all of this. So I guess if anyone who points out the truth = R* ass kissers? Ok I got you. I truly do, naw I don't.

 

Also, re-read my td;lr comment - "50% R*, and 50% music studio." -> That means they both can't come up a deal to renew some of the songs. As you can see, they saved the Russian station since all of those songs' contracts expired. So they manage to get new ones. I bet you if all the stations suffered the same faith, R* would of found more, but since some stations are losing one or a few, but not completely kill it, they decided not to replace them. But hey, R* could of done that one game, where you can't buy the game anymore because of music contract.

 

[MeatSafeMurderer]

Question is, is it only an update to PC, or are PS3/Xbox360 included? By my understanding, only effecting PC

Then you should pay more attention. It affects the digital versions of ALL platforms. It doesn't affect the retail versions of ANY platform. Therefore, clearly, they did not have to patch it out of pre-existing purchases. They chose to.

 

 

but then again, modding those two systems is quite easy.

Users should not have to downgrade / mod / pirate in order to have continued access to the content they paid for...period.

 

 

Then again, can mute the music in the game and listen to the oringal music on your computer? thought of that? No?

That's not a real solution and you know it.

 

 

Why, because you and everybody else is just mopping and moaning over this whole ordeal. You started to attack me, for pointing out the main logic in all of this. So I guess if anyone who points out the truth = R* ass kissers? Ok I got you. I truly do, naw I don't.

 

Also, re-read my td;lr comment - "50% R*, and 50% music studio." -> That means they both can't come up a deal to renew some of the songs. As you can see, they saved the Russian station since all of those songs' contracts expired. So they manage to get new ones. I bet you if all the stations suffered the same faith, R* would of found more, but since some stations are losing one or a few, but not completely kill it, they decided not to replace them.

And this is why I called you an ass kisser. We are not mad that the licenses expired. We are pissed that the copies we paid for upto a decade ago have been butchered. This is something Rockstar...and Rockstar alone...chose to do. We know this was a choice because retail copies...are unaffected. If it was not a choice Rockstar made they would have had to release patches for the retail copies too.

 

 

But hey, R* could of done that one game, where you can't buy the game anymore because of music contract.

Seeing as how I already own it that would have been preferable. Better yet, just have branching builds as Ash has said several times.

 

This is the last time I'm replying to you because you're like a brick wall.

[Chm0]

Over 50 tracks removed !!! jeez rockstar Thankfully I forced steam to update my games only at a certain hour (4am) so I still have the original radio files.

[xInfamousRYANx]

Question

 

I own IV on disc and the dlcs digital on 360. The xbox one backwards compat has an update. Was there also an update for retail on 360? I would assume so but i see some people said digital only and basically my plan is to not let 1 version update and use the other for online. On my pc copy i just backed it up and play the old version

[OliCoon]

Even San Andreas was not treated with such disrespect. They butcher the soundtrack, replace a small bit of it with sh*ttier music, force the resulting travesty upon us, and at the same time, can't even bother to fix some bug fixes to make the game playable again for anyone who uses a stable version of Windows now. Impressive, Cockstar, you have reached a whole new low. Don't play favorite child with GTA V now, you've set your course. When 2023 rolls around, I expect not only half of the music gone, but the introduction of many game-breaking bugs that will render the game completely unplayable as well.

 

What a bunch of tossers. Happy Anniversary, GTA IV...

Edited April 29, 2018 by OliCoon