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Domac

Is Cesar underrated and should we get a game from his perspective?

Should we get a remastered GTA:SA where you play from Cesar's perspective with the same storyline (when you help CJ and stuff)?  

42 members have voted

  1. 1. Should we get a remastered GTA:SA where you play from Cesar's perspective with the same storyline (when you help CJ and stuff)?

    • No.
    • Yes, but make a seperate storyline for him.
    • Yes!


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Domac
Posted (edited)

Cesar did a lot of things to help CJ, like:
- metting him up with Catalina
- introducing him to Woozie (thanks to the races)
- informing him about the betrayal in 'The Green Sabre'
- informing him about the Loco Syndicate
- helping him kill Ryder and T-Bone in 'Pier 69'
- hijacking a rig in a mission CJ was doing for Toreno
And list goes on. Cesar has done all these things for CJ because CJ, let's say, let him date Kendl.
In the end, CJ kind off turned into a selfish prick when he didn't want to help Cesar take back his own teritorry, until Sweet told him to do so.
Cesar plays a very important role in GTA:SA, and, I think there should be like a remastered version of GTA:SA where you play from Cesar's perspective, but the same storyline as in GTA:SA, because the way I see it now,
Cesar is pretty underrated.

Edited by Domac

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gts.

Another remaster? And with a different character? Like never will happen lol.

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Evil empire

Cesar doesn't have much charism, I rather find him overrated.

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HolyGrenadeFrenzy

Cesar, played an important role in the story line. CJ has to be concerned for him for the sake of Kendal's happiness. Now, not all the family agrees with things here. Los Santos is basically a representation of L.A. Culture, Sub-Culture and Cross Culture issues are fanned pretty heavy on the fire in this representation and things happen.

 

Cesar has his own hood to be concerned with and frankly Grove Street, and CJ, are as selfish as it comes. It happens with power and ambition. I don't agree that Cesar is ever a selfish prick at all. I'm not sure we need his perspective, it's pretty clear yet I'm not against it.

 

It would be nice to let main characters live in future games, though.........call it useful romanticism if you like.

 

Anyway, enjoy!

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Am Shaegar
Posted (edited)

Cesar didn't do a LOT, but his support is definitely something that needs to be appreciated. I don't find this "support" as something that can be valued as some "underrated / overrated" thing. Cesar did everything because of Kendl, and her relationship with his brother CJ, and that's somehting Cesar values the most, which CJ has already given his consent.

 

What more do you expect CJ to do?

 

Regarding "informing him about the betrayal in 'The Green Sabre'" then it didn't make much of a difference in CJ's life since Sweet ended up in jail anyways. Had the information came in early before they were going to get ambushed then that would have certainly given GSF an upper hand w/o Sweet getting into any serious trouble.

 

I don't see him underrated. I think Cesar was totally unnecessary addition as a character. I mean, he wasn't that interesting as say, Ryder would have been, if CJ and Ryder worked together for something Cesar was made a part of the story throughout.

 

Going by the thread, and the opinions in general, I think Cesar is overrated and given more importance than his character deserves.

Edited by Am Shaegar

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CHARMANDER50

Cesar doesn't have much charism, I rather find him overrated.

Yeah I agree I think JOHNNY KLEIBITZ is a better option since TLAD release.

Cesar is only a sidekick to the main character in SA.

As for the death of Trevor it was the prerogative of Johnny since the storyline

was bewildering to the player.

Cesar may have killed Trevor or Johnny did it.

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gts.
Posted (edited)

 

Cesar doesn't have much charism, I rather find him overrated.

Yeah I agree I think JOHNNY KLEIBITZ is a better option since TLAD release.

Cesar is only a sidekick to the main character in SA.

As for the death of Trevor it was the prerogative of Johnny since the storyline

was bewildering to the player.

Cesar may have killed Trevor or Johnny did it.

 

 

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Nothing has sense and even GTA IV universe mixed with the GTA 3D universe? Jesus...

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Official General

To see the same story as in the original SA from Cesar's perspective is pointless in my opinion. There was not much Cesar did in the game apart from be the occasional eyes and ears for CJ, and help CJ out here and there at a few points in the game (with CJ repaying Cesar the favour a few times himself). Not really worth the effort.

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DirtCheap

I always though Cesar was a bit boring TBH. Would have rather preferred sharing a garage with Ryder (if he wasn't a busta) than Cesar. Also, Cesar probably only helped CJ so he could f*ck Kendl, who DOES look like a hooker.

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Domac

I always though Cesar was a bit boring TBH. Would have rather preferred sharing a garage with Ryder (if he wasn't a busta) than Cesar. Also, Cesar probably only helped CJ so he could f*ck Kendl, who DOES look like a hooker.

He does love Kendl though since he asked CJ if he could talk ti Sweet about proposing Kendl.

I would have also liked if Ryder took Cesar's spot in the game, and Cesar dying instead, but things turned to be like that and that's it.

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DetectivePhelps

Seems everyone has there sides chosen.

It would have been interesting on Ceasers part of the story, Dealing with KendL as Ceaser while getting the phone all from CJ. The problem I see is, this game is so good that every posibilty is endless.

 

I dont object the idea too much. We control CJ but I did wonder the hell Ceaser must have been through with his gang in hiding or betrayed. All while getting his girl to safety.

Great game, great game.

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Official General

Seems everyone has there sides chosen.

It would have been interesting on Ceasers part of the story, Dealing with KendL as Ceaser while getting the phone all from CJ. The problem I see is, this game is so good that every posibilty is endless.

 

I dont object the idea too much. We control CJ but I did wonder the hell Ceaser must have been through with his gang in hiding or betrayed. All while getting his girl to safety.

Great game, great game.

 

An SA Stories spin-off with Cesar having is own story would be great, especially if it included Mexican drug cartels.

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lkz

Rockstar likely won't touch GTA SA again, sadly. i mean, they probably won't even touch the 3D era ever again, is my guess. though it'd be interesting to have such thing.

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Algonquin Assassin

Cesar should've been the protagonist of San Andreas anyway. Great character and more wothy of a protagonist than CJ.

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A remastered GTA SA with Cesar? That would be more like a GTA San Andreas Stories rather than a remaster of the game. As for Cesar, I wouldn't call him over-rated or under-rated. He proves himself to be a very competent ally during the game, but that's all I can say about him.

 

I've always liked Cesar as a character, but to put it simple, he's not adventurous enough to get a GTA SA story revolving him. I mean come on, during the mission Punctured Wounds, he mentions how he was after a car for hours, but it takes CJ minutes to get the job done. I know you could argue Cesar didn't have the stinger car, but still.

 

As cool and competent as he is, I just don't see him as protagonist material.

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I think Cesar is one of better characters in the 3D universe, and I can certainly understand why people would want a story from his perspective. However, I don't think a parallel exploration of the events of San Andreas would be good. I'd be more interested in exploring young Cesar's life and exploring the conflicts you could expect to see that develop within street gangs, albeit from the scaled-down, caricature perspective that we saw from R* in the original game. We only really saw the aftermath of the struggle during SA, because it's clear GSF's problems began way before CJ's arrival. To see how other gangs dealt with this would be good.

 

Cesar does very little in between CJ's antics. We see all the good stuff and for a good portion of it, we're right alongside doing the same thing. Ferrying Kendl to a caravan in Whetstone, or making phone calls trying to figure out who drove the Sabre doesn't sound particularly thrilling. The only reason why the multiple angle worked for future games is because everybody had their own plot going on. When they didn't intersect, they could stand alone and work as one. If you weren't required to do so, many players could very well likely pick a character and follow their story until the end of the game. I have doubts we could do that with Cesar, because we were never meant to by the time the end of the game came out. While it is true there was intention for Cesar to be a character we control, how much of his journey remains from that initial plan isn't clear.

 

Yes, you could shoehorn in some more exciting missions to make it seem less redundant, but you border on territory where existing canon may be disregarded to make it work.

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Am Shaegar

I can come up with a list of some of my favorites that I thought should have been given much more presence in the game, and Cesar is certainly not in that list. That dude isn't so interesting as a character to write about, though his association with the mexican gang is what I would like to refer as quite underrated as far as the gang involvement goes. Some more missions in working alongside these gangs would have made the game more interesting whether through Cesar or anyone else as the sidekick doesn't really matter to me.

 

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Lioshenka

I don't think so. Cesar played a minor rôle in the game, although important one; but his perspective won't have much to do with CJs storyline.

 

I would rather see the perspective of some minor characters, like Toreno or Truth. Just imagine the things they know and do do end up in the situations CJ sees them in and things they do to help CJ.

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watersgta3

Cesar isn't really underrated. He played a major role in the game and got a lot of appearances (hell he appeared more than Smoke, Ryder, and even Tenpenny). As far as personality goes, he isn't really all that interesting. Would he be a better protagonist than CJ? Probably, but I don't know how interesting he would be had he supplanted CJ's role as the protagonist. One thing I will concede, however, is that Cesar is nowhere near as whiny as CJ.

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Penguin Bob

He should have been the protagonist for San Andreas since day one. He seems less whiny than CJ. 

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Algonquin Assassin
16 minutes ago, watersgta3 said:

One thing I will concede, however, is that Cesar is nowhere near as whiny as CJ.

That he is and I've always taken Cesar more seriously as a gang leader anyway.

 

Personality wise I always found him to be really chilled and laid back which isn't necessarily a bad thing. I couldn't imagine Cesar being a pushover like CJ can be.

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I think it's part of CJ's character that the plot plays out the way it does. Early on, and even on occasion towards the latter third of the story, many of the missions and opportunities rely on CJ being a pushover and a people pleaser. If we were to have control of Cesar from the beginning and the strife was Vagos orientated, he'd be growing bored of cleaning up other people's mess by the third mission.

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Am Shaegar
24 minutes ago, ∴ said:

I think it's part of CJ's character that the plot plays out the way it does. Early on, and even on occasion towards the latter third of the story, many of the missions and opportunities rely on CJ being a pushover and a people pleaser. 

Not really. Its not part of his character, but subject to circumstances that are beyond his control, and that's exactly the struggle CJ faces throughout. He has to gain control over his destiny.

 

By pushover if you mean a person who is easy to overcome or influence then there are many instances throughout the story where CJ clearly shows his displeasure or unwilling attitude. He even threatens to kill Toreno in the mission Homecoming, "You know what? I'm tired of your f*cking little jobs"

Is that a sign of pushover to you?

OR;

Hey, motherf*cker, the code of the streets is that I don't snitch. I don't give a f*ck if it kills you, me, my brother. Street cats don't call no cops.

OR;

[Tenpenny] That's right Carl I know you. I got my eye on you. [CJ] And? Like I give a f*ck?

 

^ THERE

That's the CJ before Sweet got arrested. I don't find him a pushover whatsoever, apart from his loyalty towards his homies, CJ has been very expressive in his stand, but since any attempt of going against his enemies would cost his brothers life, CJ chose to deal with the situation as risk-free as it could be. Cleay, the game shows CJ was always bored of doing someone's bidding, but did he have a choice?!

What would you in place of CJ if the life of someone dear to you was always at risk? Are you going to choose not to be a pushover and let that person die?!

 

I am not sure how you find him a pushover or a "part of his character" when I find him  completely opposite, very relatable to every situation he faces. He isn't weak or something either. CJ at a young age was facing his life's difficult and crucial test in proving himself to his brother that he will get the grove back to its former glory, and that he could become a successful leader.

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Perhaps pushover is the wrong term, but he does feel like a bit of a running dog at times.

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ClassicRock

 

On 4/8/2018 at 5:05 AM, Domac said:

Cesar did a lot of things to help CJ, like:
- metting him up with Catalina
 

Exactly why I dislike this character lol... and he acts tougher than he actually is. The SF mission Deconstruction is a perfect example of this. Wouldn't be interested in any future video game with him in it as a main character or otherwise. More often than not he just got in the way.

 

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Official General
On ‎6‎/‎14‎/‎2018 at 3:43 PM, Am Shaegar said:

Not really. Its not part of his character, but subject to circumstances that are beyond his control, and that's exactly the struggle CJ faces throughout. He has to gain control over his destiny.

 

By pushover if you mean a person who is easy to overcome or influence then there are many instances throughout the story where CJ clearly shows his displeasure or unwilling attitude. He even threatens to kill Toreno in the mission Homecoming, "You know what? I'm tired of your f*cking little jobs"

Is that a sign of pushover to you?

OR;

Hey, motherf*cker, the code of the streets is that I don't snitch. I don't give a f*ck if it kills you, me, my brother. Street cats don't call no cops.

OR;

[Tenpenny] That's right Carl I know you. I got my eye on you. [CJ] And? Like I give a f*ck?

 

^ THERE

That's the CJ before Sweet got arrested. I don't find him a pushover whatsoever, apart from his loyalty towards his homies, CJ has been very expressive in his stand, but since any attempt of going against his enemies would cost his brothers life, CJ chose to deal with the situation as risk-free as it could be. Cleay, the game shows CJ was always bored of doing someone's bidding, but did he have a choice?!

What would you in place of CJ if the life of someone dear to you was always at risk? Are you going to choose not to be a pushover and let that person die?!

 

I am not sure how you find him a pushover or a "part of his character" when I find him  completely opposite, very relatable to every situation he faces. He isn't weak or something either. CJ at a young age was facing his life's difficult and crucial test in proving himself to his brother that he will get the grove back to its former glory, and that he could become a successful leader.

Spot on analysis of CJ indeed 👍

 

Especially this

Quote

Not really. Its not part of his character, but subject to circumstances that are beyond his control, and that's exactly the struggle CJ faces throughout. He has to gain control over his destiny.

I think many of CJ's critics simply don't understand this part, and are very quick to come an easy conclusion and say he was a push over. When in fact, if you look closely, you can see he is not exactly a pushover at all. His occasional hesitancy, indecisiveness, and reluctant attitude to take direct and aggressive action against his main enemies and antagonists is all down to the fact that he constantly finds himself in very difficult situations that are beyond his control. Therefore he has to take a lot more time and courage to gather his thoughts, plan, wait, see, and assess situations before making his next move. Sometimes, his hands are so tied, that he cannot make his next move until circumstances arise where whatever obstacle is holding him back has now been weakened or removed; then he becomes free to take more direct action in his next move. 

 

Some people just don't understand or don't want to take time to understand that CJ's initial weaknesses are highlighted throughout the game to show he develops and becomes stronger as a character each time he finds a way to overcome the difficult situations he finds himself in. I guess some people just want a badass super gangster criminal right off the bat that eliminates anything or any problem in his way with no issues. Me personally, I was fine with the way CJ was portrayed, it felt more grounded and realistic - I just did not like his interactions with Catalina when he begs for his life, that was OTT (nothing is perfect I guess), other than that it was fine. 

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Official General
On ‎6‎/‎14‎/‎2018 at 3:16 AM, Algonquin Assassin said:

That he is and I've always taken Cesar more seriously as a gang leader anyway.

I personally don't see how.

 

To me, Cesar seemed more interested in lowriding competitions and big illegal car races more than anything else - he and his gang were not into drug-dealing, turf wars, or any illegal enterprise serious enough for gang activity, the Aztecas simply just did not like the Vagos, that was it. The only time he was serious about gang activity was regaining the Aztecas housing projects back from the Vagos at the end, which was inevitable anyway. 

 

The Families while not into dealing in hard drugs, were still into selling weed and PCP, turf wars, arms-dealing, robberies, etc. If anything CJ seemed to take gang activity more serious than Cesar, well to me at least anyway. 

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Big_Smiley
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7 hours ago, Official General said:

The Families while not into dealing in hard drugs, were still into selling weed and PCP, turf wars, arms-dealing, robberies, etc. If anything CJ seemed to take gang activity more serious than Cesar, well to me at least anyway. 

GSF was into hard core gang-banging back in the days. Unlike the familes we got in V. Well I guess It's a different time line between years, so it explains it. Point is the gang was one of the top back in the 80's. Near the games setting during the early 90's is where things would heat up badly with the ballas. I wouldn't want to be a resident living there back in those rough times. Talking from experience :pVagos were always far away from it but were into hard selling drugs to the point they got involved into gang wars with GSF.

 

Aztecas to me always seemed the weakest since they weren't involved into anything as already mentioned. And CJ obviously near the end of the game wasn't interesting of living in the hood anymore after becoming rich near the end. It was Sweet who was extremely serious about his gang that CJ couldn't understand at the end.

 

Sweet didn't want CJ to forget the struggles they went through to keep the hood tight for so many years even before leaving to LC. So even after releasing from prison, he immediately wanted to take back Grove Street. Let's not even compare CJ to Ceaser since CJ wasn't technically a leader but an OG. Lets compare Sweet to Ceaser.....Think we all know who would be best leader in this case.

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