GTA Stunt Racing: We need a new guru.

[repl0id]

Let me get one thing out of the way: One of the best aspects of GTA for me is stunt racing. It is what keeps forcing me to grind to earn money to buy new cars, try out new customization options for cars I already own, and try to reduce my own best times in each track. When I gather a group of friends for racing, we always do stunts. Regular racing has its own community, its more elitist, specialized and dare i say niche. And when you talk about car performance in GTA, there are 4 big youtuber names that are worth mentioning for their work in testing vehicles:

1)Broughy1322 2)Digital Car Addict 3)metoxys 4)oleg_aka_djmeg

Broughy is of course the most prominent, and has done a fantastic job throughout the years,however he belongs to the aforementioned elitist and niche regular racing community. His spreadsheet (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nQND3ikiLzS3Ij9kuV-rVkRtoYetb79c52JWyafb4m4/edit#gid=753713977) remains one of the best references to this day. As valid as his testing methods are, I couldn't care less how well a car performs in cutting coroners because it is not a stunt track. It doesn't have loops, elevations, jumps, corks, etc. and moreover is done on regular pavement. On this video (

) he even explains how cars have a different max speed on regular pavement and on stunt pieces, which pretty much renders his work partially flawed for stunt racers.

Take the X-80 proto, for instance. It's in 11th place on broughy's spreadsheet for lap time but remains unbeatable in tracks like Green Machine and Spinner!

Digital car addict tries to bridge the gap by testing cars on a stunt track (e.g.

), but its not a rockstar created stunt race and hence lacks several aspects of regular stunt races, and despite producing different results, it is also only partially relevant for us. He also does drag races on stunt pieces, and results also vary from broughy's top speed tests.

Metoxys recently developed a spreadsheet that has his own testing results with his metodology, which is pretty good (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Mz0V4opO54dNoOO3aCPI5kI_PqfOfSyauNhtH-aNIeA/edit#gid=855907587) but is also only partially relevant. So what would be the solution for us to have a stunt racing pope?

Basically, an youtuber with a lot of racing experience and that owned all super and sports cars to test them on R* created stunt tracks and rank them per track. I'd guess that Spinner, Plummet 2 and Pier Race are 3 of the most representative ones and include pretty much that R* can throw at us for super cars. For sports, I'd go with In the City, Big Drop and City Air. If I was an youtuber, had either the time or the skill i'd do it, simply because I feel that this is a huge gap that no one filled in perfectly as of yet.

Right now I am trying to decide whether to buy the Autarch or the Visione. They are pretty similar on all testing data i can find, but then again, there's no testing data for what Id use either one of them, so I have to buy both and test them to see which gives ME the best lap time on each track. Not everyone can afford to do that, though.

Edited April 5, 2018 by repl0id

[nido997]

I´m pretty sure that the Autarch is overall a bit faster, but the Visione´s cornering is just awesome !

[Kiethblacklion]

Just start a race by yourself, pick the car from the selection menu and run it. Watching other people playing with it and all that test data doesn't mean squat if it doesn't feel good in your hands.

[Collibosher]

Unless you're driving against the clock, nothing really matters. Just pick the Vapid Bullet and hope for the best, because no matter how fast your car is, stunt races are about 20% skill and 80% luck.

[joel15cat]

Unless you're driving against the clock, nothing really matters. Just pick the Vapid Bullet and hope for the best, because no matter how fast your car is, stunt races are about 20% skill and 80% luck.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

good joke

 

You hear this oleg_aka_djmeg? You are not a good driver, only a lucky guy.

Edited April 5, 2018 by joel15cat

[Pedinhuh]

In my eyes, the Visione is currently the only competitor against the Vagner on stunt tracks, together with the Nero, the Autarch doesn't even comes close to get on the Vagner's slipstream.

[Big Molio]

Unless you're driving against the clock, nothing really matters. Just pick the Vapid Bullet and hope for the best, because no matter how fast your car is, stunt races are about 20% skill and 80% luck.

There’s a fair bit of truth in this. If you are lucky to be at the front of the grid in a stunt race (I usually find myself on the back row more often than not) you might just avoid the first corner carnage, but then as 99% of races are left with catchup and slipstream on, no matter how good you are, your car will slow to a crawl whilst the 100 - 200 ranks catch up and ram you deliberately off the track.

[Zarbon]

stunt races are about 20% skill and 80% luck.

 

[Collibosher]

 

stunt races are about 20% skill and 80% luck.

 

 

I know I forgot to add the "http://gta.wikia.com/wiki/The_Commute"but it's not a stunt race and this thread was about stunt racing.

[Pedinhuh]

Unless you're driving against the clock, nothing really matters. Just pick the Vapid Bullet and hope for the best, because no matter how fast your car is, stunt races are about 20% skill and 80% luck.

If you're on PS4, I'd like to go for a few races with you and test this theory of yours, feel free to use your Bullet while I use my fully decked out Grotti Visione, since it's all about luck, the car won't matter at all

 

 

 

Seriously now, with the Vapid Bullet the ONLY chance you have of winning is if the whole lobby splits leaving you to finish the race by yourself.

That's how pathetic this car is, and it's been like that since 2013.

Edited April 6, 2018 by Pedinhuh

[Collibosher]

 

Unless you're driving against the clock, nothing really matters. Just pick the Vapid Bullet and hope for the best, because no matter how fast your car is, stunt races are about 20% skill and 80% luck.

If you're on PS4, I'd like to go for a few races with you and test this theory of yours, feel free to use your Bullet while I use my fully decked out Grotti Visione, since it's all about luck, the car won't matter at all

 

 

 

Seriously now, with the Vapid Bullet the ONLY chance you have of winning is if the whole lobby splits leaving you to finish the race by yourself.

That's how pathetic this car is, and it's been like that since 2013.

 

Contact, slip stream and catch up on with punch of randoms? That's what most of the stunt races are and that's where I think you need luck.

Sorry, I should've been more specific. I assumed all the people and not just Big Molio can read between the lines.

[HamwithCheese]

That's well enough, but your theory basically relies on you never being in first and taking the race at the very last minute. In situations where ketchup is on, it never hurts to have a better car.

[oleg_aka_djmeg]

 

Unless you're driving against the clock, nothing really matters. Just pick the Vapid Bullet and hope for the best, because no matter how fast your car is, stunt races are about 20% skill and 80% luck.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

good joke

 

You hear this oleg_aka_djmeg? You are not a good driver, only a lucky guy.

 

tru.

 

unlike street racing, in rockstar stunt races there is really only one car you can use on a track...

pier race - vagner

plummet 2 - nero

spinner - x80

 

here's a few channels you should pay attention to:

https://www.youtube.com/user/PolnyKutas

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCm9ucsYHb2o9-AKI_3p5sGw

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCsbsryCrjKT38FaCIwzvnfA

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCxiM7fAYBGKdiv-aI5EMXZQ

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC6dyXrXp35PeYJFbYjSsLzg

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCWYZEmEonbVYw9DfZQG6w-A

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2cMC3xoxGDjj_bO2LhV4cA

 

i feel like i missed the point.

Edited April 6, 2018 by oleg_aka_djmeg

[repl0id]

In my eyes, the Visione is currently the only competitor against the Vagner on stunt tracks, together with the Nero, the Autarch doesn't even comes close to get on the Vagner's slipstream.

 

Well, I've tried and here are my personal results:

Sorry,by pier race i had already dropped the two cars in my control group...I was really rooting for the Visione, cus I think that the autarch is absolutely butt ugly...But, and this sorta matches Metoxys' tests, Visione only pulls ahead of the Autarch on a race with very long straights (Plummet 2)

 

 

 

unlike street racing, in rockstar stunt races there is really only one car you can use on a track...

pier race - vagner

plummet 2 - nero

spinner - x80

 

here's a few channels you should pay attention to:

https://www.youtube.com/user/PolnyKutas

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCm9ucsYHb2o9-AKI_3p5sGw

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCsbsryCrjKT38FaCIwzvnfA

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCxiM7fAYBGKdiv-aI5EMXZQ

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC6dyXrXp35PeYJFbYjSsLzg

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCWYZEmEonbVYw9DfZQG6w-A

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2cMC3xoxGDjj_bO2LhV4cA

 

i feel like i missed the point.

 

 

Thanks for the channel suggestions, will keep an eye on them!

Edited April 6, 2018 by repl0id

[Action_Andy]

Holy ... even I wouldn't try to hotlap or race in a Visione and I use sh*tty cars 95% of the time. Best Supers are always X80 or Vagner. Nero has still its use on some tracks though. Sports is always Pariah. It really is that simple when it comes to R*-stuntraces.

[elfoam]

I'll be your guru, you only have to do 5 stunt races to see what the best cars are, since the top 3 places are ALWAYS Vagners, with X80s following.. you buy a Vagner.

Edited April 6, 2018 by elfoam

[CrysisAverted]

 

Unless you're driving against the clock, nothing really matters. Just pick the Vapid Bullet and hope for the best, because no matter how fast your car is, stunt races are about 20% skill and 80% luck.

If you're on PS4, I'd like to go for a few races with you and test this theory of yours, feel free to use your Bullet while I use my fully decked out Grotti Visione, since it's all about luck, the car won't matter at all

 

 

 

Seriously now, with the Vapid Bullet the ONLY chance you have of winning is if the whole lobby splits leaving you to finish the race by yourself.

That's how pathetic this car is, and it's been like that since 2013.

 

I have won races with the slower supers/sports because they fit in the perfect position to catchup/slipstream the entire race, just gotta time it so you slipstream past first right at the finish line but as you can imagine, only skilled drivers such as myself can do it.

 

 

 

 

Unless you're driving against the clock, nothing really matters. Just pick the Vapid Bullet and hope for the best, because no matter how fast your car is, stunt races are about 20% skill and 80% luck.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

good joke

 

You hear this oleg_aka_djmeg? You are not a good driver, only a lucky guy.

 

tru.

 

unlike street racing, in rockstar stunt races there is really only one car you can use on a track...

pier race - vagner

plummet 2 - nero

spinner - x80

 

I like how all this comprehensive testing holds true until R* randomly changes things in the next update

Edited April 6, 2018 by CrysisAverted

[Pedinhuh]

 

 

Unless you're driving against the clock, nothing really matters. Just pick the Vapid Bullet and hope for the best, because no matter how fast your car is, stunt races are about 20% skill and 80% luck.

If you're on PS4, I'd like to go for a few races with you and test this theory of yours, feel free to use your Bullet while I use my fully decked out Grotti Visione, since it's all about luck, the car won't matter at all

 

 

 

Seriously now, with the Vapid Bullet the ONLY chance you have of winning is if the whole lobby splits leaving you to finish the race by yourself.

That's how pathetic this car is, and it's been like that since 2013.

 

Contact, slip stream and catch up on with punch of randoms? That's what most of the stunt races are and that's where I think you need luck.

Sorry, I should've been more specific. I assumed all the people and not just Big Molio can read between the lines.

Try some premium stunt races.

[kenmy13999]

I'll be your guru, you only have to do 5 stunt races to see what the best cars are, since the top 3 places are ALWAYS Vagners, with X80s following.. you buy a Vagner.

While that is the case in a couple of the races, I still beat everyone with my x80 when they use Vagner in the rest of the races. Higher top speed, better in tubes and loops have a lot to say in the R* created stunt races.

If you see people win over x80's with Vagner on tracks like green machine, spinner etc it's just because of the driver, not the car

[joel15cat]

 

I'll be your guru, you only have to do 5 stunt races to see what the best cars are, since the top 3 places are ALWAYS Vagners, with X80s following.. you buy a Vagner.

While that is the case in a couple of the races, I still beat everyone with my x80 when they use Vagner in the rest of the races. Higher top speed, better in tubes and loops have a lot to say in the R* created stunt races.

If you see people win over x80's with Vagner on tracks like green machine, spinner etc it's just because of the driver, not the car

There are'nt one super car for all the races. Every race has his own car that is better to use. For example:

- Green Machine, Spinner: X80.

- Plummet II: Nero.

- Pier race: Vagner.

 

Only Proto, Nero and Vagner depending the race.

Same with bikes: shotaro or bati (or Gargolye but i hate this bike) depending the race.

 

More on my spanish sunts guide:

https://www.3djuegos.com/foros/tema/43429432/0/guia-para-las-carreras-acrobaticas-y-premium/

 

[Cheesy_wotsit]

I can see why you would want to have data and information about the cars that would allow players to make informed decisions about car choice for specific race types and if this was GTSport I would see why it matters, but this isn't GTS this is GTAO and the barriers to why anyone would waste thier time doing this are unbelievable and all based on the fact that at it's heart GTAO is just very very crap at doing car physics.

 

1). You have muddled and frankly comical car class classifications, I doubt even someone at Rcokstar has a f*cking clue what they are doing with car classifications, it comes down to the well intentioned tidy up of your toolbox, you start off with having a section for spanners, and a section for sockets and a section for screwdrivers and then you find a feeler gauge and think f*ck it Ill throw that in a spare drawer, and then you find a chain splitter and think Illl toss that in that drawer as well and before you know it you have three tidy drawers 1 with 4 spanners in it, 1 with 5 screw drivers in it, 1 with 10 sockets and a drawer that is full of sh*t. Sports and Super are the I don't know where this tool goes so I'll just throw it in that one.

2). You have Rcokstars constant attempts at adding cars to the rosta, and while this is no bad thing if it is done by a developer who cares about structure and balance you end up with a nice mix of balanced cars but Rcokstar do not care about balance they just care about cash and the more cars they have the more cash they make. f*ck the theory kicking about is that the latest set of cars they introduced have these new game mechanics flags because Rcokstar are testing them with a view to implementation in the next GTA game. Not because they are trying to fix or balance anything but to use YOU the player as a play tester and then they ask YOU to f*cking pay THEM to do that.

3). The car physics are sh*te, which example will I give; the cars that go faster because you kerb boost? How about the cars that handle better when you stick off road tyres on them? or are more stable because you stuck a neon strip on them? or the fact that car speed is affected by YOUR FPS? the fact gravity is a comedy factor? that aero force works on certain cars as and when it feels like (having a wing doesn't mean jack sh*t) flying motorbikes, bikes that go faster when you wheelie. I mean just choose any of these to point at how crap the vehicle physics engine of this game is and then when you have Rcokstar tweaking and adjusting factors so that they can add in their latest meme mobile, as happened when they f*cked up aero effects by adding the Oppressor.

4). Bugs, my god the bugs, stunt races that cannot be completed because of broken game mechanics, I reported two of them last year and Rcokstar's response in short was f*ck you very much, in long it boiled down to we see the bug, we have no idea how to fix it so we have handed it to someone else who will look in to it and then they actually closed the reported as f*cking solved. It sure as f*ck wasn't solved the last time I raced and that was 10 months and 3 updates later.

5). Game mechanics are sh*te, catchup, put in simple terms, racing is the ONLY activity in this game where if you are good at it YOU get punished. GTSport the guy in front is 10 seconds in the lead you either drive better, try a different car, drive a different line or learn the race course, or to put it in simple terms become a better player. GTAO all you have to do is sit back scratch your balls and let catchup gimp the guy in front to the point that even the terminally brain dead can keep up

6). Talking of terminally brain dead, the average player base taking part in races would only just about rate a 3 on the glass glaucoma scale. Before I quit I was winning races using the Zentorno, not even close to the 'best car' towards the end of last year. Most players spend so much time crashing, smashing and acting like dribbling morons that the ONLY rating you need to know about a car is how well it will take an impact, avoid the retard smashing fest at the start of a race and you're set for most of the race.

 

 

 

Same with bikes: shotaro or bati (or Gargolye but i hate this bike) depending the race.

 

NOPE, been taking people with 1 and 2 million dollar bikes to school with a $10,000 Akuma and every time I do that I gloat, loudly and at considerable length.

[Forza Harrd]

All I do is stunt race and grind dupe glitches. And I only grind dupe glitches so I can afford the best stuff for stunt racing. X80 and Vagner is all I drive. I haven't touched my Nero's in a long time. Bati is my #1 but I agree on Akuma. Good drivers do well with them. I hate pushing forward on my joystick 100% of the time so I hate riding my Shotaro. Love wheelying on my Gargoyle (with web wheels for the speed glitch) but it corners like poop. Bati and Akuma are the bikes for me.

[Verbal Soze]

Some of the best guru here :

 

IsuckAtDriving(MSWGR)

rynogt4

MotogamesTV

Shirrako

Almost forgot GSVS

Edited April 7, 2018 by ryannata

[Big Molio]

All I do is stunt race and grind dupe glitches. And I only grind dupe glitches so I can afford the best stuff for stunt racing. X80 and Vagner is all I drive. I haven't touched my Nero's in a long time. Bati is my #1 but I agree on Akuma. Good drivers do well with them. I hate pushing forward on my joystick 100% of the time so I hate riding my Shotaro. Love wheelying on my Gargoyle (with web wheels for the speed glitch) but it corners like poop. Bati and Akuma are the bikes for me.

I ride the Shotaro pretty much exclusively. Why do you push forward on the stick? You just hold the A button down on the XBox controller to hunch down.

 

Shotaro is a race winner for me. I am pretty much unbeatable on Over and Under, Over the Bridge, High Flier and Threading the Needle. I love how Haikochu Drag riders set off like a bat out of hell then struggle with it in the corners. I even beat them on the long straight tracks like 45deg and Afterburner (tracks I dont particularly like)

 

The wheelie guys on the Batis and Akumas give up some control to do that, so they can be beaten easily as well.

Edited April 7, 2018 by Big Molio

[joel15cat]

 

 

 

Same with bikes: shotaro or bati (or Gargolye but i hate this bike) depending the race.

 

NOPE, been taking people with 1 and 2 million dollar bikes to school with a $10,000 Akuma and every time I do that I gloat, loudly and at considerable length.

 

You have not understood what I mean. You make a very simple mistake. I'm not talking about the vehicle that works best for you. I'm talking about the vehicle that goes best in each race. For example, in the 45º the best are the Bati or the Gargolye, but there are very good times with the Gargolye, but I do not take it, because I prefer the Bati. Then, in all the races where the Akuma goes well, the Shotaro goes better. This is not simply my experience, it is taking into account the records that exist in the socialclub (non contact races). Obviously choosing the vehicle that is better will not make you win, but it gives you more options. Two people with the same ability, and one with the Akuma and another with the Shotaro, will win the Shotaro without any doubt.

And if you do not agree, find me some stunt race where the Akuma has better times than the Shotaro (PS4 non contact).

[Gridl0k]

long and straight = 811 is great

[kenmy13999]

Only problem with 811 is that it's not any races that have long enough straights and not sharp corners to give it any advantage

[Gridl0k]

Only problem with 811 is that it's not any races that have long enough straights and not sharp corners to give it any advantage

 

Plummets seem to work ok. You lose your advantage up in the twisty bits but it still does the job.

[Cheesy_wotsit]

And if you do not agree, find me some stunt race where the Akuma has better times than the Shotaro (PS4 non contact).

 

I notice that you've since slipped the qualifier '(non contact)' in to your description. I mean if you really want to spend 2.4Mill on a Bike that will only give you a higher than usual chance of winning on a select few race tracks being run under an even rarer race type (the afore mentioned non contact) then by all means throw that cash down that well. Or you could save 2.39mil buy a bike that is more than capable of winning the majority of races under most of the conditions that you will typically find being run by randoms, i.e catch up on non-contact off.

 

So yeah I do disagree, but then again you've spent 2.4mill on a bike that can be beaten in most races by someone who knows what they are doing racing on a $10,000 bike I get that you'll want to justify that spend.

 

Just on a side note if you want to make up the price difference between the Shotaro and the Akumi via race wins at an average pay out of $20,000 per race you would have to win 120 races just to make up the difference.

Edited April 7, 2018 by Cheesy_wotsit

[joel15cat]

 

And if you do not agree, find me some stunt race where the Akuma has better times than the Shotaro (PS4 non contact).

I notice that you've since slipped the qualifier '(non contact)' in to your description. I mean if you really want to spend 2.4Mill on a Bike that will only give you a higher than usual chance of winning on a select few race tracks being run under an even rarer race type (the afore mentioned non contact) then by all means throw that cash down that well. Or you could save 2.39mil buy a bike that is more than capable of winning the majority of races under most of the conditions that you will typically find being run by randoms, i.e catch up on non-contact off.

 

So yeah I do disagree, but then again you've spent 2.4mill on a bike that can be beaten in most races by someone who knows what they are doing racing on a $10,000 bike I get that you'll want to justify that spend.

 

Just on a side note if you want to make up the price difference between the Shotaro and the Akumi via race wins at an average pay out of $20,000 per race you would have to win 120 races just to make up the difference.

Yes. I say non contact beacuse are races without catch up and split stream (and PS4 bcz is where I play). So, I say again, showme any race with Akumas with better times than the Shotaro. When I need to use a vehcile on a race and I don't have it, I buy the vehicle. The money is not a problem.

For you, you won't buy all the vehicles used on transform races bcz 'you would have to win +200 races just to make up the difference'.

 

PD: I played and repeat every Premium race and the people who know, know which vehicle is better for every race .

Edited April 7, 2018 by joel15cat