Any estimate as to how many people have mod menus/hacks?

[memestitute]

Im just wondering because i see a lot of ppl going faster than me in races and catch up/slipstreaming doesn't seem to help. and not everyone appears this way. and a lot of ppl seem to just hit still ppl at full speed and not be phased????

[Fozzie]

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Edited March 26, 2018 by Fozzie

[ThaBirdCoot]

For racing could be many things, your controller could be broken, happens a lot with r2 in PS4 dualshock or maybe you are just facing guys being "better" than you using curb boost to their advantage and whatnot.

 

The rest is all about lag. Could be some duke from south america with 578 ping causing the whole lobby to go to sh*t. Maybe your own internet being sh*tty. Only god knows with this game..

 

Hasn't much to do with mods or any of the sort.

[Saint-XCVII]

Im just wondering because i see a lot of ppl going faster than me in races and catch up/slipstreaming doesn't seem to help. and not everyone appears this way. and a lot of ppl seem to just hit still ppl at full speed and not be phased????

I just want to say that there's a lot of little "tricks" here and there that people use to go faster in races, things like curb-boosting, wheelie with bike, gliding with bike etc. If you're on PC, a certain framerate with certain cars will also increase speed.

 

Whenever I race and someone's modding, it's very obvious that there's a modder. Modders going 50x times faster than everyone else, people exploding.

 

After the recent huge banwave, I haven't seen a single modder yet. That's just me, though.

Edited March 26, 2018 by Saint-XCVII

[flexcreator]

There is no definitive answer.

After the recent banwave the percentage of the mod menu users haven't changed. That's from my subjective experience. Was locked in a cage today.

 

Also, cheaters usually don't care about the ban at all, since they are using cheap stolen accounts.

Got banned? No problem! Just buy another stolen account for $5.

 

As for the racing, you should be aware that there is a thing called "curb boosting" (the new cars from the recent DLC are not affected though). Also the frames per second can affect your speed on PC. So players with better hardware can sometimes go faster than you.

 

 

 

EDIT:

Sometimes, if you lose, you just have to admit that your opponent is better and more skilled than you.

Edited March 26, 2018 by flexcreator

[Sanches]

There's so much tricks in racing that can help you to be faster than your opponents.
But to anwser the topic name... I've spoken to a couple of cheaters and they were all telling the same thing - they start their cheat menus after they start the game up. Somehow this allows them to bypass anti-cheat.

[kenmy13999]

Im just wondering because i see a lot of ppl going faster than me in races and catch up/slipstreaming doesn't seem to help. and not everyone appears this way. and a lot of ppl seem to just hit still ppl at full speed and not be phased????

I think stating what platform you're on might help answering your questions better. Some people already mentioned broken R2 button on ps4 controller, higher frame rate on pc and the fact that other people just can be better at curb boosting, taking corners better etc.

With that said I sometimes can't understand why some people seem to have a little higher top speed than me on some straights where you can't curb boost but I usually go faster in the corners so it doesn't matter.. My R2 button on my ps4 controller was broken and I fixed it but there's a possibility that it's not working 100% all the time anymore. I'll have to check it later because I have a program on my laptop I can check if it's working as it should

[Rykjeklut]

I have a program on my laptop I can check if it's working as it should

What's it called?

[Northern]

Im just wondering because i see a lot of ppl going faster than me in races and catch up/slipstreaming doesn't seem to help. and not everyone appears this way. and a lot of ppl seem to just hit still ppl at full speed and not be phased????

 

I replaced my controller, and its like driving a new car.

[Jimbatron]

As Flexcreator says, it's impossible to say. But I gaurantee it will be fewer than people imagine.

 

This is because a single mod menu user can wreak havoc in an entire session. So it's very visible when it happens. But it's just one guy out of 20 players in that specific freemode. And I go for weeks without seeing anything on the PC at all that's clear cut script kiddies abusing a tool they downloaded off the internet.

[kenmy13999]

 

I have a program on my laptop I can check if it's working as it should

What's it called?It's called DS4windows

[FuturePastNow]

As Flexcreator says, it's impossible to say. But I gaurantee it will be fewer than people imagine.

 

This is because a single mod menu user can wreak havoc in an entire session. So it's very visible when it happens. But it's just one guy out of 20 players in that specific freemode. And I go for weeks without seeing anything on the PC at all that's clear cut script kiddies abusing a tool they downloaded off the internet.

Yeah, but for every one that wants to wreak havoc, I'm sure there are a bunch doing it on the down low to just give themselves money and cars. Hell, when you can spawn yourself vehicles, you don't need the money, which probably makes it a whole lot safer to do.

 

So I would guess probably about 10% on PC. They're not all obvious.

 

Having said that, people being faster in a race aren't necessarily cheating, as there are a lot of things you can do to gain speed that an inexperienced player wouldn't know, from curb boosting tricks to just- try not to be surprised by this one- driving well. Knowing the track you're racing on is huge.

 

On that subject, here's another video of everyone's favorite Youtuber, Broughy, joining a race against random players. He lets most of them pass him at the start. He's lapped most of them by the end. I guarantee you most of them thought he was cheating.

 

 

Edited March 26, 2018 by FuturePastNow

[oleg_aka_djmeg]

On that subject, here's another video of everyone's favorite Youtuber, Broughy

 

op if you are doing stunt races, there are a lot of shortcuts that can save you almost or over 10 seconds per lap, i got some of them here

though some of these are outdated now. Edited March 26, 2018 by oleg_aka_djmeg

[thepiebaker]

As Flexcreator says, it's impossible to say. But I gaurantee it will be fewer than people imagine.

This is because a single mod menu user can wreak havoc in an entire session. So it's very visible when it happens. But it's just one guy out of 20 players in that specific freemode. And I go for weeks without seeing anything on the PC at all that's clear cut script kiddies abusing a tool they downloaded off the internet.

Think of this like the theory of evolution.

So script kiddies get a copy of the game and a mod menu.

There are some who use it different ways.

For example the chaotic good that drop money everywhere.

The neutral good that does it for cosmetics.

The lawful good that smites greifers.

The lawful neutral that makes modded missions

The chaotic neutral that makes phantom wedge mechs or alters the in-game physics variables

The true neutral that only self money drops or gives self free car

The chaotic evil that spawns a cage around you or uses the sodomize animation on your character.

The neutral evil that kills everyone.

The lawful evil that destroys your sales.

 

None of which are immune to being reported but the ones that are able to stay under the radar and dodge the anticheat last the longest. There they will stay and evolve and pass their methods on. Because so long as the modder is unable to get new accounts (say a kid who can't convince parents to buy a new copy or someone with the is to realize that they'll keep losing money if they keep getting caught.)

[Jimbatron]

^ thing is if you start by saying maybe they are doing something dodgy but they keep it covered up then we're running towards the ultimate get out argument "you can never know anything for sure".

For my part I tend to go on what evidence I can see in front of me. Out of maybe 150 players I know well in my friends list none have them have ever said they use a mod menu - and I'm sure they wouldn't hide it from me. I know a few people who repeat glitch PAC Std and that's it. Then some of the people in the ban wave have clocked up enough hours and earned enough money they simply have no need to get a few cars on the sly. They have enough money to buy everything in the game they want. For example I have 20m in the bank and spent 200 million, and some players who got banned have played 3 times as much as me.

Bottom line is, most players I know are virtually well off and have little motivation to cheat or display any inclination to do so. A biased sample? Maybe. But if the number of out and out cheaters is not less than a fraction of 1% I'd be very, very suprised.

Edited March 26, 2018 by Jimbatron

[thepiebaker]

Anyone on your friends list, especially those who've been there for a long period of time and extensively interacted with are bound to be of like mindedness.

 

The nimrods I call friends are also PVE meme mobile I/O guys like me doesn't mean everyone out there are I/O PVE meme mobile nimrods

 

I understand what I said leads to a "you'll never know argument" but that doesn't mean I'm wrong. A smart hacker/script kiddie will lay low and use the element of credible disbelief. Give himself a 5% weapon damage or acceleration boost or something that would make the the difference but the lobby can question if it's legit or not. No one cares enough about the banks of randumbs to creep on their social clubs so money drops would be safest. I'm not on PC but I assume if there's a full lobby there's not much you can do if someone decides to spawn windmills at all I/E sale and warehouse locations or puts 15 out of 30 players in a cage. "Wasn't me was one of the other 14 guys"

 

Before I became an invite only pve guy (transition was around age 21) I was essentially your run of the mill tryhard rebreather jet pussy. Am i proud? No, but what use is there to hide this bit, life's about bettering oneself and I grew up, plain and simple. But back when I played halos 2/3 you would sometimes encounter someone with an aimbot/super jump. I remember one guy hacked so if you fired your gun you committed suicide. I knew enough then that those hackers didn't last long. And would sometimes go into a "how'd he kill me I had the advantage he must be hacking" rant that even the most mature gamer can get into and not even truely believe the guy is hacking.

[fatdog]

There is a cancer menu dev on this forum, you can ask him of how many active users they have.

[Jimbatron]

Anyone on your friends list, especially those who've been there for a long period of time and extensively interacted with are bound to be of like mindedness.

It's true that observations around those you know are always liable to suffer some sort of personal selection bias.

 

However I'd add:

1) I'm quite generous sending out friend invites to people I play with. I can think of only two instances in the last 9 years of GTA where I subsequently unfriended people because they were dodgy.

2) I gained a few random friends through heists who got banned. These players are like doing them 24/7 and will have earned 10s if not hundreds of millions legitimately. They have precisely zero need to cheat on the quiet.

3) In GTA IV there wasn't really anyway to cheat on the quiet. Nothing to buy, so if someone was cheating you knew about it. But you had non aggressive tools like sjaak's SNT that could be used for fun. So it was very clear how many people had bothered to download such stuff or realised it existed. The bottom line is most players in the game are casual. They buy the game play it for a bit, and in a few months move on to another game, maybe come back every now and then etc. It's this reason above all that is suspect the proportion of cheaters is very low as a percentage of the base. And even here, a fan site, there is constantly displayed a lack of understanding about what a modder actually is.

[CuteFaceJay]

Too many.

[thepiebaker]

 

Anyone on your friends list, especially those who've been there for a long period of time and extensively interacted with are bound to be of like mindedness.

It's true that observations around those you know are always liable to suffer some sort of personal selection bias.

 

However I'd add:

1) I'm quite generous sending out friend invites to people I play with. I can think of only two instances in the last 9 years of GTA where I subsequently unfriended people because they were dodgy.

2) I gained a few random friends through heists who got banned. These players are like doing them 24/7 and will have earned 10s if not hundreds of millions legitimately. They have precisely zero need to cheat on the quiet.

3) In GTA IV there wasn't really anyway to cheat on the quiet. Nothing to buy, so if someone was cheating you knew about it. But you had non aggressive tools like sjaak's SNT that could be used for fun. So it was very clear how many people had bothered to download such stuff or realised it existed. The bottom line is most players in the game are casual. They buy the game play it for a bit, and in a few months move on to another game, maybe come back every now and then etc. It's this reason above all that is suspect the proportion of cheaters is very low as a percentage of the base. And even here, a fan site, there is constantly displayed a lack of understanding about what a modder actually is.

Theres even a misunderstanding of hacking vs script kiddies (ddos attacks aint hacking) i never extensivly looked at mod menu capabilities, after all xb1 and only seen screenshots in passing and hearing things on here. But money and free cars are only an example of things they can change that would be under the radar, at least i would assume. Id probably avoid those money related mod monue abilities if murphys law felt generous enough to have one sneak onto my xbox one day. After all im sure cash flow is the largest thing they track and look at.

 

Ill reference my job of 5 years. I walk/drive around shopping complexes willing to contract my company and make sure people behave. Im what people call a rent a cop. I sometimes have a parking garage i need to go through and 9 times out of 10 if i find someone engaging in what i need to detail in my daily report is a "romantic encounter" within their car in said parking garage i know as soon as i see where the car is parked. While on dates i have stared an actual cop in the eye while engaging in such a violation with my girlfriend and the cop was non the wiser because i know what they look for.

 

Likewise a skiptkiddie akamod menu user might do something like put a regular dubsta frame on a mw dubsta. Some may use it to get custom clothes into online. Not cheating but technically a terms of service violation. Some may allow weather change or guarentee X same/source mission.

 

Note: im not saying that your friends are modmenu users and i have 0 trust in rockstars anticheat so if theyre banned you all have my sympathy (one reason im on xbox because microsoft wont hesitate and have a more intensive investigation and yet reasonable appeal system)

[wizooord]

There are way too many, the numbers don't even add up in my head, Iv'e started to believe they somehow got internet connection to a parallel earth in some sh*thole demonic dimension and are keeping little imps tied to computers who feed exclusively on salt and they just make them play gta

 

edit: i imagine them looking something like this

Edited March 27, 2018 by wizooord

[Anna-Sparks]

I imagine the use of menus (free or paid ones) and the amount of players who use them for cheating purposes depends on ban-waves and options that are interesting for individuals who use them.

 

I mean players on current gen consoles look at us PC players and they can just thank the makers of their game systems that they don't have to deal with all of this rampant cheating that we have to endure thanks to the incompetence of developers and their lack of professionalism in general when it comes to online cheating and paid cheats/hacks abuse.

 

Proper anti-cheat is a must have in today's gaming. We all see how game companies even utilize two anti-cheat solutions (Rainbow Six Siege or even the Battlefield franchise) and are still having issues with people who use paid cheats/hacks to cheat their way through.

Even in co-op games we can see people using trainers (paid ones!) to cheat. Payday 2 and Vermintide 2 just to name a few that I played recently and where I noticed people using god mode or infinite ammo to name a few options that they utilize or creating lobbies with god mode enabled for all players.

 

GTA Online, at least on PC version of the game, will always be remembered as a cheat makers testing ground and where cheating is very widespread depending on what actions Rockstar or Take2 may do or want to do.

 

For me Force (annoyingly popular menu at one point) was the main reason why I avoided public sessions and why me and my friends and even crews that we played with created our own public sessions where a leader would control the status of the session by knowing our public addresses and booting anyone who was not friends with any of us by ''locking down'' the ports and thus enabling us to enjoy the full benefits of a public session without the fear of menu users or players who would disrupt our sales/work or freeroam RP activities in the lobby.

Brutal, I know but GTA Online has taught us that friendly and helpful players are a rare breed in this game and that trust can be easily broken and not to mention that a menu user can make a damage to the whole session and then we have to close our games and restart and rejoin into our public safe haven again.

 

With that being said, lately we have been ''testing'' and profiling players who join our public sessions to see how friendly they are and we did meet new and amazing people who occasionally wish to play with us. I do beleive in ''ei incumbit probatio qui dicit, non qui negat'' principle but it would be much easier if anti-cheat or team who works behind it and does analysis would do it's job properly thus slightly removing our doubts about players and make players on PC more trustworthy.

[Arrows to Athens]

 

[santron5]

I think many more than 20 for sure many have hit me with various hacks I've reported them all but so far over the last year nothing has changed.