Easy Way Out now negatively affects K/D

[Nutduster]

I just got charged £20,000 for blowing up someone's car. Insurance hasn't changed, or if it has then there's some details we don't know.

 

Apparently it was capped at 10K for weaponized vehicles only. What did you blow up?

Edited March 21, 2018 by Nutduster

[flexcreator]

 

 

sonny evans became such a horrible creator. the title and description are full of bullsh*t,

 

Sonny is still good in terms of creating and delivering the content. He is not that good in terms of understanding the game though. Especially, the PvP aspects.

I'm pretty sure this was just a misunderstanding on his side, not a deliberate clickbait.

[Nutduster]

 

So what are you supposed to do when 5+ people team up on you with snipers or marksman? Get spawn trapped? I think them patching this is a stupid move considering EWO helps you when you are getting teamed up on by 4 or more people. Besides patch this its not like we don't got others ways of suicide like sticky bomb or rpg. Also BST and armor is completely broken as they still 2 hit you.

Actually fight. Or go passive, which is probably what you should do anyway if you're that averse to getting killed in this game.

 

 

^^^^^^^^^^^^

 

Exactly. Here is the honest truth: if 4+ people are ganging up on you and they are roughly as skilled as you and in the same level bracket as you, you are supposed to lose. That's one of the by-design downsides of free roam. If you want even teams, go play a death match. Or play with a crew at all times. But if you prefer to lone wolf and you get outnumbered, you have to either be better than your enemies, or switch sessions, or just take your damn lumps. The game should not actually provide you with a simple way to "even the odds" when the odds are inherently uneven. That it currently does so is an indicator that something is wrong in the design. Not a feature, it's a bug.

 

(By the way, I play solo like 90% of the time. So this post is not coming from someone who is usually on the right side of the gangbang.)

Edited March 21, 2018 by Nutduster

[Furry_Monkey]

 

I just got charged £20,000 for blowing up someone's car. Insurance hasn't changed, or if it has then there's some details we don't know.

 

Apparently it was capped at 10K for weaponized vehicles only. What did you blow up?

 

 

It was a Deluxo. I shot the driver out of it and then chucked a proximity mine on it before going about my business.

[Nutduster]

 

 

I just got charged £20,000 for blowing up someone's car. Insurance hasn't changed, or if it has then there's some details we don't know.

 

Apparently it was capped at 10K for weaponized vehicles only. What did you blow up?

 

 

It was a Deluxo. I shot the driver out of it and then chucked a proximity mine on it before going about my business.

 

 

That is interesting indeed. You're the second person on the forum I've heard say that they blew up a Deluxo and had to pay 20K. I blew up two Deluxos, an APC and my own Oppressor yesterday - only paid 10K each time. Either something is janky with their fix (wouldn't be the first time), or I don't fully understand how it works yet.

 

Can you have a Deluxo with no weapons..? I know you have to mod it in the vehicle workshop but I can't remember what it comes with by default.

 

The other possibility is that the insurance cost isn't capped if the driver isn't in it.

Edited March 21, 2018 by Nutduster

[Gridl0k]

The other possibility is that the insurance cost isn't capped if the driver isn't in it.

 

My vote.

[Nutduster]

If true, that's actually not a terrible choice. I am not a fan of insurance in general, and I loathe that we have to pay anything for defending ourselves. But if they're going to have insurance costs in the first place and then cap them for "threat" vehicles, it makes sense that the cap is only in place when the vehicle is actually a threat.

[Neuling2000]

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So it will only count if a player has done some damage to you?

Then I assume it gets counted as a normal death rather than a player death but it gets added to your player deaths when calculated?

I will test tonight by getting my kd up then ewo a few times to see if it goes back down.

But when I do ewo Im usually in a jet so I would not have any damage. Good news for jet griefers haha

 

But also do ground fighters even use ewo anymore? Afaik it does not even work like it did on old gen where you can ewo instantly while firing a weapon.

Yes, some players abuse it with 1st person view and the turn around move. It's an instantly EWO.

 

 

 

They removed the score box in free roam. lol

That may be for the best.

 

Explosives are used just as much if not a lot more than the interaction menu option though, so I'd still say this is really just a start, rather than a finished fix. Let's just hope they finish it.

 

At any rate I find it entertaining to sit back hovering over them, and just watch them panic and blow themselves up as fast as possible. Sometimes I don't fire any weapons, just fly aggressively at them.

 

Score box isn't removed, it was only a bug.

[GhillieMaster]

I placed a bounty on a passive jet guy. I f*ckered up his jet with pyro guns and he ewos. I got a notification that he did, in fact, ewo. I also got a notification that I claimed the bounty. He left immediately so I'm guessing the game told him I killed him. Trololol

HA! That's glorious Edited March 21, 2018 by GhillieMaster

[Furry_Monkey]

 

 

 

I just got charged £20,000 for blowing up someone's car. Insurance hasn't changed, or if it has then there's some details we don't know.

 

Apparently it was capped at 10K for weaponized vehicles only. What did you blow up?

 

 

It was a Deluxo. I shot the driver out of it and then chucked a proximity mine on it before going about my business.

 

 

That is interesting indeed. You're the second person on the forum I've heard say that they blew up a Deluxo and had to pay 20K. I blew up two Deluxos, an APC and my own Oppressor yesterday - only paid 10K each time. Either something is janky with their fix (wouldn't be the first time), or I don't fully understand how it works yet.

 

Can you have a Deluxo with no weapons..? I know you have to mod it in the vehicle workshop but I can't remember what it comes with by default.

 

The other possibility is that the insurance cost isn't capped if the driver isn't in it.

 

 

Time will tell, I'm sure.

[Commche]

Rockstar can't really change suicide affecting K/D without making it to broad and aggressive. There would be little to distinguish blowing yourself up to avoid being killed and blowing yourself up because you're stuck. The whole point of K/D is measuring your total player kills against your total deaths by players; that's it. If they had a separate stat tracking suicides on your character page, it wouldn't really change anything, because people suicide for many different reasons, including on accident. And that's not going to deter people from suiciding to keep the score in their favor against you.

 

 

It seems obvious to me that the "tryhards" are living in a lot of people's heads, rent free. If you're not into pvp, than people killing themselves over and over only serves to benefit you. If, however, you want revenge against someone and them killing themselves denies you that revenge, than you're playing right into their head game. Rockstar can't fix that; that's your own pride f***ing with you.

 

When people start that EWO/suicide crap, I move on. Let them think they won; there's plenty of other fights to have and fun to be had.

[No Use For A Name]

So the Austin bomber EWOd with a pipe bomb yesterday when the LEOs got too close.

 

Aparently he drove into a ditch while being chased and detonated one of his bombs. Must have been an IGN member.

I live in Austin and this made me laugh

[Nutduster]

It seems obvious to me that the "tryhards" are living in a lot of people's heads, rent free. If you're not into pvp, than people killing themselves over and over only serves to benefit you. If, however, you want revenge against someone and them killing themselves denies you that revenge, than you're playing right into their head game. Rockstar can't fix that; that's your own pride f***ing with you.

 

 

Nah man. Nice reference, but it's not pride (at least not pride alone) - that's bad game design f*cking with you. Don't start from the position that the game is always fine and the players need to adapt to it, which it seems is what you're doing here. All games have flaws, and this game has more than most. The sheer number of exploitable mechanics and glitches are highest on that list. People wanting revenge for getting killed, or at least not wanting to get outscored, is the prime motivator in any number of shooter games, not to mention any number of sports. That part is normal; it's the crap design choices that are not.

 

If someone kills me and then goes into a wall breach, the problem isn't my pride. The problem is the glitch.

 

If someone kills me and then teleports to their facility, the problem isn't my pride. The problem is the exploit.

 

And if someone kills me with a jet five times, then crashes and starts spamming EWO until I leave the area so they can send me a message that says "5-0 Lzzzzz," the problem isn't my pride. See the pattern here?

 

The real problem is cheap-shot artists and a game that gives them too many ways to take cheap shots without consequences. Developers like this have almost no business making a PvP game, to be honest. They just don't know how.

Edited March 21, 2018 by Nutduster

[Nutduster]

I wonder, you guys who defend EWO and suicides as a normal part of PvP play: would you play a game of 1-on-1 basketball if there was a flip cover over the basket, and both players have a button they can press at any time that flips the cover down and prevents shots from going in? That sounds utterly f*cking idiotic, doesn't it? That's basically what EWO is in GTA - so self-evidently stupid and counter to the spirit of the game that it shocks me anytime someone defends it.

[BOOGIEMAN219]

Last night some dude was still killing himself so I told him it negatively effects his K/D ratio and he said he didn't care he just didn't want me to kill him.

[Smooth Longsack]

I wonder, you guys who defend EWO and suicides as a normal part of PvP play: would you play a game of 1-on-1 basketball if there was a flip cover over the basket, and both players have a button they can press at any time that flips the cover down and prevents shots from going in? That sounds utterly f*cking idiotic, doesn't it? That's basically what EWO is in GTA - so self-evidently stupid and counter to the spirit of the game that it shocks me anytime someone defends it.

Imo, Most players use ewo and suicide because it's the current convention. If it weren't in the game mechanics, then the next most annoying game mechanic would be chosen. I don't mind people using these tactics. It's the mark of a true sweat. frankly, I'd prefer things change because I'm just as bored with it as others are frustrated.

[Commche]

 

It seems obvious to me that the "tryhards" are living in a lot of people's heads, rent free. If you're not into pvp, than people killing themselves over and over only serves to benefit you. If, however, you want revenge against someone and them killing themselves denies you that revenge, than you're playing right into their head game. Rockstar can't fix that; that's your own pride f***ing with you.

 

Nah man. Nice reference, but it's not pride (at least not pride alone) - that's bad game design f*cking with you. Don't start from the position that the game is always fine and the players need to adapt to it, which it seems is what you're doing here. All games have flaws, and this game has more than most. The sheer number of exploitable mechanics and glitches are highest on that list. People wanting revenge for getting killed, or at least not wanting to get outscored, is the prime motivator in any number of shooter games, not to mention any number of sports. That part is normal; it's the crap design choices that are not.

 

If someone kills me and then goes into a wall breach, the problem isn't my pride. The problem is the glitch.

 

If someone kills me and then teleports to their facility, the problem isn't my pride. The problem is the exploit.

 

And if someone kills me with a jet five times, then crashes and starts spamming EWO until I leave the area so they can send me a message that says "5-0 Lzzzzz," the problem isn't my pride. See the pattern here?

 

The real problem is cheap-shot artists and a game that gives them too many ways to take cheap shots without consequences. Developers like this have almost no business making a PvP game, to be honest. They just don't know how.

Come on man, don't make up things I never said. What's the difference between killing you 5 times and leaving the game? Or switching sessions? Or going in their own office/apartment/facility? From anything you listed. There is none, they got 5 up on you and got away with it. It happens. Rockstar invented death match if you want to kill someone without them getting away. But people don't have to accept your deathmatch either.

 

And yeah, GTA 5 is ass for pvp. That's why your assistant blows up your phone in the middle of a firefight. That can be fixed. Preventing people from suiciding and getting away with killing you can't be fixed, not unless they want to break a lot of other stuff.

 

Nothing you mentioned contradicts what I said about pride. If you can't let sh*t go like some kid getting 2 vs 0 on you and running away, nothing Rockstar does will fix that. That's all head game. You can stay mad about it and hope Rockstar fixes it or break the head game itself and take a loss on the nose. I'm not even being condescending or rhetorical, I really mean that. I had to get over that sh*t early in the game after getting beat down by everyone and having to stay in passive mode all the time.

 

But hey, you do you. I'm not going to try and convince you, just saying one route is easier to take than the other on this. Only one route has proven to work 100%, and it's not the one where you ask Rockstar to fundamentally change the game. That's why you get half measures like this after 5 years.

Edited March 21, 2018 by Commche

[Nutduster]

Dude, bottom line is that you are sideways-defending the existence of infinite suicide spam in a PvP environment. It's indefensible, sorry.

 

I actually agree that it's healthy to let your pride go and not feel like you need revenge for every last little free roam kill. But at the same time I really don't think it's too much to ask that the game not provide players with five different methods of acting like little bitches whenever they want. If they want to score a cheap couple of kills and then bow out of the fight they started, they should at least be inconvenienced for it. And that's why I don't mind if they switch sessions or quit the game - yeah they "won" that fight but at least they're the ones who now have to sit through load screens and end up in a different, possibly worse, session. Nothing Rockstar can really do about that anyway - developers have been trying for years to stop quit-outs from all kinds of game modes online and it never works very well.

 

The defense of free roam PvP problems that most people have been using for 5 years now is "Well you can just switch sessions/go passive." Why should the result of Rockstar's design problems be that exploiters get to run the roost and everybody else has to be inconvenienced in order to avoid them? Maybe a better idea would be to fix the f*cking game. Just my two cents...

 

I'm already on record as saying when people start doing this sh*t, or abusing passive mode, I just leave the area or even the lobby. It nags at my ego but at this point, on a personal level, there is nothing else I can do. Doesn't mean that it should be that way though.

Edited March 21, 2018 by Nutduster

[wehweh01]

I hardly doubt this fixes anything for freemode but it definitely tears what was left of the TDM community apart. EWO was the one thing that kept things somewhat fair during TDM. You would kill yourself during 1 vs 1 to reset your hp after winning exchanges as well as remove any bonuses like BST or Powerplay. The only thing after that is just respecting each other and not using the Loser perks aka Quad Damage. On the flipside of things it's interesting have more weather features during TDM. Yet to play with anything other then Thunder

Edited March 21, 2018 by wehweh01

[Commche]

Not defending it so much as pointing out that it is literally impossible to prevent someone from getting away from you, and killing yourself is not much less inconvenient than walking into your apartment/business/office/clubhouse. Or camping in your facility and killing people with an orbital strike without any fear of retaliation (500-750k but if you're rich that doesn't matter either).

 

Keep banging your head against the wall and maybe the brick will start to crack. This topic is a lot like the issue in question because the best option is to walk away and let the other person think they won something, so I'll do that.

Edited March 21, 2018 by Commche

[elfoam]

Do you think this will stop these guys with KDs of like 30 from playing ?

[Nutduster]

The brick has already started to crack. Took way too long but they actually did something, so I hold out hope they'll do a little more. Even if they don't though, I don't see that I benefit from shutting up about it. It takes very little of my energy to post like this - I type fast. And as I said, I've already adjusted my in-game strategies long ago. I don't waste a lot of time going after people who do this stuff. It's just not worth it.

 

By the way, invoking the orbital strike - perhaps the worst feature in any PvP game I've ever played - is not really helping your argument. Just another example of how far Rockstar has their heads up their own asses.

Do you think this will stop these guys with KDs of like 30 from playing ?

 

Pffft, not so long as passive mode is still a thing and they still have essentially unlimited access to it.

Edited March 21, 2018 by Nutduster

[MDNA]

Who actually cares about K/D ratio in this game? lmao

[SuperJude™]

Wtf is EWO

 

Edit: I'm an idiot. It's in the thread title

 

Awesome reading comprehension skills Jude

Edited March 21, 2018 by SuperJude™

[Guest]

If I meet any suicide tryhards tonight I will laugh even more at their silly suicides.

 

Hope we get an adversary mode ala "Suicide cage" where you are trapped in a cage and need to find some easy way out...

[MadTitanThanos]

I want to say briefly that I don't understand why someone gets frustrated about 5 people ganging up on them in a lobby. You know there's two spectacular counters to that.

 

1. Passive Mode
2. Find a new lobby.

It's funny how those work.

[Cratoz]

Last night some dude was still killing himself so I told him it negatively effects his K/D ratio and he said he didn't care he just didn't want me to kill him.

Bingo, and soon everyone have to realize this as the easy way out Tryhards won't stop using it.

 

I have seen videos suggesting that Tryhards are now gone and I have no idea in what world these people live.

 

They probably just don't have any idea about the freeroam PvP mindset in this game and think a higher KDR means that correlation = causation, that's my guess at least.

Edited March 21, 2018 by Cratoz

[Classique]

Who actually cares about K/D ratio in this game? lmao

 

You would be very, very surprised.

[flexcreator]

My experiments with the doing EWO after the patch

 

 

Again, Summary:

1) Killing yourself without taking damage from your opponent doesn't give a frag to him

That means, if you hunt players on the ground in your aircraft (Hydra, Hunter, etc), they can suicide using the menu option and it will NOT affect the K/D in a any way. Because they will suicide before taking damage.

 

2) Killing yourself after your opponent deliver some damage will provide a kill point to him and should (in theory) decrease your K/D

3) Killing yourself after your VEHICLE takes damage from your opponent will give a kill point to him

4) Blowing yourself with Sticky Bombs will NOT count as a kill. It doesn't matter if your opponent hit you or not.

5) Blowing your vehicle with Sticky Bombs will NOT count as a kill. It doesn't matter if your vehicle is damaged by your opponent or not

6) People can kill themselves while doing Executive Search

 

EDIT: I was killing myself for nearly 2 hours in various ways (with opponent, without an opponent). It didn't affect my K/D in any way.

Edited March 21, 2018 by flexcreator

[FukNRekd]

Who actually cares about K/D ratio in this game? lmao

YOU'RE NEW HERE, AREN'T YOU!?!?

 

I'm 12.36 K/D .. so good luck with that!

Poop thug cares. A lot. So much so that he has no issue posting it here for everyone to LOL at.

Edited March 21, 2018 by FukNRekd