Easy Way Out now negatively affects K/D

[Matrelith]

Nice for the people who care about the numbers, I suppose.

[Snoopbr]

They'd better start thinking in another utility for their macros.

[lll-H-I-M-lll]

Same as it you hit a jet with sniper and they crash you get the kill then. I like it

[Picklez]

They should have included any kind of suicides while they were at it.

 

Or better yet just rid of the k/d stat entirely.

[septimoose]

I've run this a few different ways with killing myself.

 

I haven't had a single kill in about half an hour, I've run up on people, waited for them to take a shot at me, then EWO'd and even that doesn't seem to have changed my K/D ratio at all.

 

Odd...

 

I wish I knew how exactly this has been implemented

[Nihilist.]

Good, but I think there should be no K/D ratio in an open world sanbox to begin with. But at least all these tryhard CoD kids will cry when they realize they can't keep their precious numbers high, lol.

[GhillieMaster]

I tested this thoroughly. It has no affect on your PVP KD ratio still. Even though it says that the person got the kill when you EWO, it does not change the freemode score at all or count towards their KD. Also, explosive use to suicide remains unchanged.

[Nutduster]

All the salty guys might want to hold their celebrations.

 

Translation, you're one of the EWO abusers who thinks you're somehow good because you can use a cheap exploit to prevent yourself from dying in a half-assed competitive PvP shooter. GG

 

I agree about holding the celebrations though. This changes next to nothing. The more I think about it, the more disappointed I am. And I've already fought three people today who were killing themselves, so what really has this affected? Not much.

[Lonely-Martin]

Good progress.

 

Still fuming over a lack of garage spaces given here. Takes a lot away from the magic at the moment, but this is great.

[Nutduster]

But does easy way out now lose you the

- VIP search

- Any f*cking thing that involves the player surviving but lol suicide to prevent being killed and even though you died it still keeps going

 

Now that's a positive change. Nothing makes me roll my eyes harder than when I find the VIP in Exec Search, get him pinned into a bad spot, and he just kills himself. Unreal that it took them so long to notice it was a problem.

[septimoose]

I tested this thoroughly. It has no affect on your PVP KD ratio still. Even though it says that the person got the kill when you EWO, it does not change the freemode score at all or count towards their KD. Also, explosive use to suicide remains unchanged.

 

Yeah, it looks like rather than negatively affecting your K/D, it positively affects their K/D by crediting them with the kill.

 

So if you were in a Tryhard crew, you could artificially raise each others K/D by allowing them to shoot you once, then EWOing. Your K/D wouldn't go down, but theirs would go up. Switch back and forth as the EWOer and you'd have a high K/D in no time

[Hécate-II]

Its homeopathic. The real stuff was to disable passive mode in weaponized vehicles(just how it is yet with Avenger) and after killing players/destroying Cargo.

[Nutduster]

Its homeopathic. The real stuff was to disable passive mode in weaponized vehicles(just how it is yet with Avenger) and after killing players/destroying Cargo.

 

Did they do that too? If so, I'm fully on board with both changes. Still wishing for a cooldown after killing anyone but that's a long-overdue step in the right direction.

Edited March 20, 2018 by Nutduster

[Cratoz]

Guys, K/D plays a very small role in EWO, for most people who do it it's not even a factor.

 

Making EWO, wether it due to weapons or menu, count negative towards the ratio won't change a thing.

Removing KD will do even less.

 

 

The only way why most of these EWOing tryhards have a high KD is because it's a side effect of what their true goal is: being up on the enemy by denying them the kill. It is the "freeroam no rules" mentality.

 

This is a distinction which people finally need to see and I hope that this change (if it does anything at all as implied by some) finally makes lots of you realize that KD is not the real problem here.

[Nutduster]

^ I've been making the same point. This is a fine change but a minor one because it's not actually going to do much to stop the problem. If you want to stop it, you need to do something to physically stop people from killing themselves a bunch of times in rapid succession, regardless of their motives. The k/d change doesn't do that because it assumes one specific motive. And the same would be true of removing the k/d stat. A lot of tryhards are not killing you to boost their k/d (or at least not JUST that), so please stop acting like it's the silver bullet.

 

Rockstar could add a cooldown to EWO from the menu, but that's not gonna do it either because they'll just use explosives; most tryhards have switched to mostly using explosives long ago, anyway. It probably should happen though, as another minor-but-positive change.

 

My foremost idea about that would be bad sport points and a warning for too many suicides in a certain time frame - e.g. no more than 2 per minute, and no more than 10 per 10 minutes. Every suicide past those limits is basically the same as blowing up someone's personal vehicle. It should count EWO (from the menu) and death by explosives, but not other random deaths (e.g. falling). It probably should also only count if you are within a certain physical distance of another player; if you're falling down Mt. Chilliad by yourself and dying a lot, no harm no foul. People would still do it occasionally in a gunfight, but the obnoxiousness of guys spamming it nonstop would cease.

Edited March 20, 2018 by Nutduster

[Cratoz]

Yup, another solution for the EWO from menu would be to give the last person that hit the tryhard a score because it is the direct opposite of what the they want.

 

Now, I don't know how it could be done for explosives, but surely they should be something similar that directly contradricts the intention of such tryhards.

Edited March 20, 2018 by Cratoz

[Nutduster]

Yup, another solution for the EWO from menu would be to give the last person that hit the tryhard a score because it is the direct opposite of what the they wants. Now, I don't know how it could be done for explosives, but surely they should be something similar that directly contradricts the intention of such tryhards.

 

The problem with that idea is that we can all imagine the stupid version easily, and Rockstar would almost without a doubt implement the stupidest version, then have to patch it twelve times trying to make it work better. People would complain like crazy: "I blew myself up as a joke and it gave a kill to some random guy that shot me 5 minutes ago." There are solutions to that, but I do not for a second trust Rockstar to program it correctly out of the gate. Bad sport points and warning for chronic abusers seems like a better idea because it's harder for them to get it wrong.

[Sleepwalking]

I wonder why people are so obsessive with their k/d ratios.

 

Does Rockstar give you extra cash if you keep it above some specific value?

[Cratoz]

The problem with that idea is that we can all imagine the stupid version easily, and Rockstar would almost without a doubt implement the stupidest version, then have to patch it twelve times trying to make it work better. People would complain like crazy: "I blew myself up as a joke and it gave a kill to some random guy that shot me 5 minutes ago." There are solutions to that, but I do not for a second trust Rockstar to program it correctly out of the gate. Bad sport points and warning for chronic abusers seems like a better idea because it's harder for them to get it wrong.

Oh yeah, that's true sadly!

But maybe it can even work within a time frame. Most of times 20-30 seconds may be enough until someone dies.

 

But yup, it's all under the premise that Rockstar knows what they are doing, and I have real doubts about that haha.

 

But I also like your idea about Bad Sport and stuff for abusers

Edited March 20, 2018 by Cratoz

[FukNRekd]

Theyre obsessed with K/D ratios because it's a way for them to be better than you. Even though they're often not.

 

BTW, I EWO sometimes just so try-hard-timmy doesn't get a kil.

Edited March 20, 2018 by FukNRekd

[TankGirl]

This change isn't going to bother the ewo'ing tyrhard at all. Also whats the point of removing KD? That wont change the ewo'ing tyrhard either. I like having KD because it helps me keep track of how I'm doing PvP wise as an RnG fighter. I don't care if other people are d*cks about it.

 

edit- and when I say it helps me keep track I def take it with a grain of salt because this game is so unbalanced and so many ways people can cheat to get the upper hand KD isn't exactly credible but I still find it helpful to me.

Edited March 20, 2018 by TankGirl

[FukNRekd]

Unbalanced?

 

Hmmm, the Akula balanced the game for me.

 

I bring major suck to PvP and being able to get around and even attack people before they can kill me is a good thing.

 

Not that it matters, but my KD is now over 2.0. Of course I only have 998 kills but it's a good thing for me to know I'm being more competitive.

[Nutduster]

People think removing the k/d stat will stop EWOing tryhards because they believe tryhards only care about inflating their k/d and nothing else. I know there are some people out there who are fixated on boosting their k/d - I see them in lobbies occasionally with 10+ and you only get that if you are really going out of your way to NEVER get killed; I also used to be friends with a guy who admitted having another account for no purpose other than exploiting that stat. But the majority of EWOing tryhards are just trying to beat the person in front of them that moment. Their overall k/d is a secondary concern at best.

[No Homing]

Just did some testing.

A friend whacked me with a nightstick twice and we ewod right away. Nothing.

He shot me with a pistol. We both instant ewod. Still nothing.

Then he shot me with a pistol and I only I ewod. It said he killed me, but no death was added to my stats.

So they failed at whatever they tried to do, lol.

I don't care if it says the whole session killed me, if no death gets added to my stats, I couldn't care less.

 

This is like passive bailing, it triggers tryhard, but it doesn't count as a kill or death, regardless of it appearing in the kill feed.

 

So nothing changed.

 

To continue:

Tried AR while I was in a vehicle. Exact same result.

Asked my friend if he gained a kill, nope.

Edited March 20, 2018 by No Homing

[Nutduster]

It wouldn't surprise me if they changed something but we don't see the effects until the next patch. That's a classic Rockstar move. Their patch notes are littered with references to changes that didn't actually arrive in that patch.

[No Homing]

It wouldn't surprise me if they changed something but we don't see the effects until the next patch. That's a classic Rockstar move. Their patch notes are littered with references to changes that didn't actually arrive in that patch.

 

Or it's just fake news.

Some things they claim to have fixed aren't fixed at all.

 

Nothing to see here, back to tryharding, guys.

Edited March 20, 2018 by No Homing

[Nutduster]

 

It wouldn't surprise me if they changed something but we don't see the effects until the next patch. That's a classic Rockstar move. Their patch notes are littered with references to changes that didn't actually arrive in that patch.

 

Or it's just fake news.

Some things they claim to have fixed aren't fixed at all.

 

 

As far as I know there are no patch notes yet and Rockstar hasn't said anything. People found this on their own in the code or tunables or something.

[No Homing]

 

 

It wouldn't surprise me if they changed something but we don't see the effects until the next patch. That's a classic Rockstar move. Their patch notes are littered with references to changes that didn't actually arrive in that patch.

 

Or it's just fake news.

Some things they claim to have fixed aren't fixed at all.

 

 

As far as I know there are no patch notes yet and Rockstar hasn't said anything. People found this on their own in the code or tunables or something.

 

 

Oh, right, ofcourse.

 

Oh, wait, look what I found:

 

https://support.rockstargames.com/hc/en-us/articles/360000767647

 

Sorry to be a smartass, btw.

Edited March 20, 2018 by No Homing

[Nutduster]

Interesting. Nonetheless, this was found by players long before the patch notes came out. If they think they changed something and actually didn't, that's just par for the course where Rockstar is concerned. There's been a "fix" like that in practically every patch.

[wizooord]

SO

f*ckING

GOOD

 

eat sh*t tryhards!