Saints Row: 2022 Reboot

[universetwisters]

^ That really makes me sad tbh. When I was a kid, I always thought working with video games was like working at Willy Wonka’s factory where nothing but creativity and fun flew freely

 

Guess I’ll add that to the list of things I thought as a child were gonna be fun but wound up sucking 

[BigBoyBertram]

59 minutes ago, universetwisters said:

I always thought working with video games was like working at Willy Wonka’s factory where nothing but creativity and fun flew freely

TBH the comparison still holds up if you think of the Oompa Loompa's as indentured servants that didn't get paid sh*t while Wonka got all the glory lol

[GAUNTLET HELLFIRE]

The update made some good changes but took the challenge out of some of the challenges. Changing shoot a lot of bullets from 100k to 500 was just stupid after completing the game I was up to 20k bullets fired. I can see my house needed changing as 100k metres was a massive grind that took me over half an hour of just jumping from saints tower after completing everything in the game but 5k metres is just too easy and I did that on another account without even doing the wingsuit side hustles or the kakts radio venture. Wing it took me a few tries to bounce off 6 people in 30 seconds but was very doable but 4 people is too easy. Instead of wasting time changing challenges that didn't need to be changed they could have used that time on changes that did need to be made like xp so you don't get to max level halfway through the game or making money actually worth something. I have 28 million after buying everything from the million dollar store including the $25 million astral projection suit.

 

My game is still bugged as well. After completing everything in the game I was missing the achievement for killing all the collective members because of the one from a threat so I went in to a co op game using another account on my second Xbox but after doing that I had a bunch of threats on my map that I can't complete a second time and they are still there. 

[Ivan1997GTA]

8 minutes ago, GAUNTLET HELLFIRE said:

The update made some good changes but took the challenge out of some of the challenges. Changing shoot a lot of bullets from 100k to 500 was just stupid after completing the game I was up to 20k bullets fired. I can see my house needed changing as 100k metres was a massive grind that took me over half an hour of just jumping from saints tower after completing everything in the game but 5k metres is just too easy and I did that on another account without even doing the wingsuit side hustles or the kakts radio venture. Wing it took me a few tries to bounce off 6 people in 30 seconds but was very doable but 4 people is too easy. Instead of wasting time changing challenges that didn't need to be changed they could have used that time on changes that did need to be made like xp so you don't get to max level halfway through the game or making money actually worth something. I have 28 million after buying everything from the million dollar store including the $25 million astral projection suit.

 

My game is still bugged as well. After completing everything in the game I was missing the achievement for killing all the collective members because of the one from a threat so I went in to a co op game using another account on my second Xbox but after doing that I had a bunch of threats on my map that I can't complete a second time and they are still there. 

Did they fix the Dreadnought/Skorpio logo bug, or does it still persist in the update?

[GAUNTLET HELLFIRE]

3 hours ago, Ivan1997GTA said:

Did they fix the Dreadnought/Skorpio logo bug, or does it still persist in the update?

I don't even know what that bug is. In my playthoughs I had a few issues with setting up a GPS marker but apart from that I didn't really encounter any bugs. I finished some ventures and a few missions today and I still had issues with markers. When I was doing the jammers for kakts radio I opened my map and the wingsuit spots didn't show up until I went over to discoveries and when I went to put a marker on the wingsuit spot it just wouldn't mark it I had to exit my phone and do it again to actually mark them. I had the same problem when I did them all the first time at release. If that wasn't fixed I doubt any of the more minor non game breaking bugs were fixed.

 

Another bug I cam across was with kakts radio again. When I was doing the fight with the panteros the mini boss never showed up. I spent about 5 minutes on notoriety level 5 killing panteros and after that I quit the game and restarted and luckily the second time he showed up. 

Edited November 20, 2022 by GAUNTLET HELLFIRE

[Ivan1997GTA]

16 minutes ago, GAUNTLET HELLFIRE said:

I don't even know what that bug is. In my playthoughs I had a few issues with setting up a GPS marker but apart from that I didn't really encounter any bugs. I finished some ventures and a few missions today and I still had issues with markers. When I was doing the jammers for kakts radio I opened my map and the wingsuit spots didn't show up until I went over to discoveries and when I went to put a marker on the wingsuit spot it just wouldn't mark it I had to exit my phone and do it again to actually mark them. I had the same problem when I did them all the first time at release. If that wasn't fixed I doubt any of the more minor non game breaking bugs were fixed.

I'm talking about the logo that's displayed when you enter a vehicle. Does Dreadnought (a muscle car) still use the incorrect Skorpio logo (which is used on a buggy), or does it finally have the correct logo like in the prerelease videos?

[GAUNTLET HELLFIRE]

5 minutes ago, Ivan1997GTA said:

I'm talking about the logo that's displayed when you enter a vehicle. Does Dreadnought (a muscle car) still use the incorrect Skorpio logo (which is used on a buggy), or does it finally have the correct logo like in the prerelease videos?

I'm not sure about that. I haven't driven or payed attention to the Dreadnought since the update. The account I played had almost finished the game and all I did today was about half a dozen missions and a couple of ventures. I haven't really played much since the update.

[Lock n' Stock]

On 11/18/2022 at 8:18 PM, BadaBing_1996 said:

I don't think there's any hope left for the SR2 patch, though.

Lol that thing is never getting finished.

[kobeni]

On 11/19/2022 at 12:53 PM, universetwisters said:

^ That really makes me sad tbh. When I was a kid, I always thought working with video games was like working at Willy Wonka’s factory where nothing but creativity and fun flew freely

 

Guess I’ll add that to the list of things I thought as a child were gonna be fun but wound up sucking 

Surprised it took you that long to realize how dysfunctional the whole industry is.

[universetwisters]

Just now, sabitsuki said:

Surprised it took you that long to realize how dysfunctional the whole industry is.

I knew it was big bad before but the idea of working a job with zero job security is real relevant to me now more than ever 

[kobeni]

1 minute ago, universetwisters said:

I knew it was big bad before but the idea of working a job with zero job security is real relevant to me now more than ever 

To be fair a lot of jobs are, it's a big part of why things like the Great Resignation are happening across multiple industries, not just in vg.

[universetwisters]

2 minutes ago, sabitsuki said:

To be fair a lot of jobs are, it's a big part of why things like the Great Resignation are happening across multiple industries, not just in vg.

 

True but the issue isn’t willingly quitting your job, the issue is waking up and finding out you don’t have a job anymore.

 

One of the former rockstar studios (I think Vienna?) had this same problem once before; a bunch of employees went to work and were told by armed security they couldn’t go in. Turns out the studio wasn’t making a profit so they just shut it down and now all those Austrians had to rush to find jobs to keep their lights on 

[TheGodDamnMasterReturns]

On 11/20/2022 at 2:32 PM, Lock n' Stock said:

Lol that thing is never getting finished.

I wouldn't expect anything less than pissing on a man's dying wish from these ghouls. Volition died with IdolNinja.

[Lock n' Stock]

3 hours ago, TheGodDamnMasterReturns said:

I wouldn't expect anything less than pissing on a man's dying wish from these ghouls. Volition died with IdolNinja.

I mean, I don't want to cast judgment or anything, but not bothering to complete what he started (which seems like the more likely scenario at this point) will be nothing less than a huge middle finger to his legacy and the fans.

[Malibu Club]

Word on the street is that 200+ bug fix patch didn't actually fix much. Can anyone here confirm? If so then this thing is even more doomed.

[deathdealer]

5 hours ago, Malibu Club said:

Word on the street is that 200+ bug fix patch didn't actually fix much. Can anyone here confirm? If so then this thing is even more doomed.

 

apparently there's still co-op issues and problems with ped population.

[Punkd]

17 hours ago, deathdealer said:

 

apparently there's still co-op issues and problems with ped population.

i saw the ped problem too, but mostly at gamers who still use ps4/xbox one, even ps5 can be weak at times

so before complaining about a sh*tty game, maybe people (in general) should start to use brain and ask themselves "maybe its not just the game but my nearly 10yo console that cant run a game thats also made for new-gen consoles"

it was exactly the same with cyberpunk: old-gen gamers "bru no npc life on street 0/10" while i played it on series x and sometimes the city was so dense with cars and people i couldnt even move without pushing/crashing anyone

[B Dawg]

4 hours ago, Punkd said:

i saw the ped problem too, but mostly at gamers who still use ps4/xbox one, even ps5 can be weak at times

so before complaining about a sh*tty game, maybe people (in general) should start to use brain and ask themselves "maybe its not just the game but my nearly 10yo console that cant run a game thats also made for new-gen consoles"

it was exactly the same with cyberpunk: old-gen gamers "bru no npc life on street 0/10" while i played it on series x and sometimes the city was so dense with cars and people i couldnt even move without pushing/crashing anyone

Then why release the game on old consoles if they're not gonna optimize it properly?

It's the game/developer being at fault. Wasn't the game in development before the new consoles even came out?

Edited November 27, 2022 by B Dawg

[Punkd]

49 minutes ago, B Dawg said:

Then why release the game on old consoles if they're not gonna optimize it properly?

It's the game/developer being at fault. Wasn't the game in development before the new consoles even came out?

i dont agree, the game developers often tend to say stuff like its not possible to optimize well enough (on old generations), but its the head-companies / ceo's who just tell the development-team "release on all consoles mofos!"

 

[REVENGE777]

3 hours ago, Punkd said:

i dont agree, the game developers often tend to say stuff like its not possible to optimize well enough (on old generations), but its the head-companies / ceo's who just tell the development-team "release on all consoles mofos!"

 

So the consumers are at fault for expecting the product they payed for to work as advertised? If they knew it wouldn’t work it should’ve never been released 

[Lock n' Stock]

At this point, is there really anything more to discuss? Game is trash, developer's getting absorbed, it is what it is.

[BigBoyBertram]

3 minutes ago, Lock n' Stock said:

At this point, is there really anything more to discuss? Game is trash, developer's getting absorbed, it is what it is.

It's just gonna pop up every few weeks whenever another depressing thing happens with Volition or Saints Row lol. I agree though there is not really a productive conversation to be hand at this point though. 

[Punkd]

On 11/27/2022 at 9:59 PM, REVENGE777 said:

So the consumers are at fault for expecting the product they payed for to work as advertised? If they knew it wouldn’t work it should’ve never been released 

thats how capitalism and consumerism works lol, welcome to earth

[REVENGE777]

1 minute ago, Punkd said:

thats how capitalism and consumerism works lol, welcome to earth

There are consumer protection laws in place for reasons exactly like this. We clearly don’t belong to the same “earth” if you think this sh*t is okay.

[Punkd]

4 minutes ago, REVENGE777 said:

There are consumer protection laws in place for reasons exactly like this. We clearly don’t belong to the same “earth” if you think this sh*t is okay.

good luck suing all the big companies for false advertising

[happygrowls]

22 hours ago, Lock n' Stock said:

At this point, is there really anything more to discuss? Game is trash, developer's getting absorbed, it is what it is.

DLC still to come out. Hopefully. Maybe it fixes alot of the underlaying issues, kind of like how Dying Light's the Following fixed alot of issues with the base game. But that's just me.

[Jason]

Ehhh the argument for games not being allowed to be released in X state is a dodgy one because there is no firm agreement on where the line is, and there never will be.

 

There's nothing further that really should (or could) be done to stop games releasing in broken or poor states cause it's a gigantic slippery slope to even try. There is also what has become an increasingly understated responsability on the customer as well. In 2022 we have lots of ways for us to find out if it's worth spending our money on anything before we spend it, so when you combine that with consumer protection laws / refund policies if you're still getting f*cked over by purchases you made then that is in large part a you problem as well.

 

The correct "punishment" for these games is that they review poorly and sell poorly and that has happened here.

 

 

[Original Light]

Years prior, before over-the-air live updates (basically the pre-Xbox 360 and PS3 days) games had to be released in a stable state. Now the pressure is off, since they can release dozens of patches after release. Cyberpunk 2077 is a good example of this. It's almost a completely different game two years later, but it would be stuck in its release state if they didn't have the ability to patch the game over internet services. 

 

Developers have become way too reliant on this luxury, if you can even call it that; all it does is negatively affect the consumer. 

Edited November 29, 2022 by Original Light

[Jason]

41 minutes ago, Original Light said:

Years prior, before over-the-air live updates (basically the pre-Xbox 360 and PS3 days) games had to be released in a stable state.

 

No they didn't. It's revisionism and rose tinted glasses that make people think we didn't get broken games before the 360/PS3 generation cause we absolutely did.

 

They got forgotten about just like all the awful songs, film and TV shows from back in the day (which is why the "X was better back in the 60/70/80/90's" arguments are daft). Plus, more games are made now than ever before so naturally we'll see more of these types of games.

 

I won't disagree that developers, particularly in the PS4/XB1 era, released games (especially online games) while knowing they had issues due to the ability to patch them up later, but the general idea that games were made better back in the day is nonsense.

[Original Light]

I’m not saying all games were perfect, but there was clearly more pressure on the developer. Of course there are very unpolished games, like True Crime: New York City.