Why do people consider "Deconstruction" a disturbing mission?

[Daredevilasfuckyouknow]

On 2/5/2018 at 7:23 PM, Mattineu said:

Provably because you bury someone alive in f*cking cement.

On 2/6/2018 at 1:22 PM, Journey_95 said:

The problem is the inconsistent part. CJ acts like a bitch around Catalina for an example, yet somehow buries a foreman because he insulted his sister. He never again does something as ruthless as he did in that mission and never behaves like that.

 

In general his character is supposed to be more "human" than previous protagonists but things like this just make him a messy character who Rockstar didn't write that well.

CJ is one of my favorite character amongst the rest of all other gta protagonists. A person who has the audacity to do anything, Not actually for money but for keeping his familiy euphoria. Btw he's so sensitive about her sister kendl that's why he was so nervous when cesar said that they were in trouble in los santos. First of all you should know that CJ is a soft talking tough person. He isn't afraid to do anything he even jumped off the plane while it was on the air (That plane hijacking mission I mean) anyway, Kendl had been badly harassed by the workers from the construction site. As you can see when you start the mission. When you get there, One of the worker came and said that "You are not supposed to be here and another worker says that this a dangerous place. So it means those guys are not actually as good as we think. Once we destroy a portable and then you can see a worker who has pistol with him. So its usual we'll try to save ourselves by killing them as a defense. That's what CJ had been done. Foreman had been buried alive that's little bit exasperating. Yeah its not so cool to bury a man alive into a pit by filling it with a concrete. He won't be able to move his hand or legs at that moment wtf Whatever you guys say! I will never hate CJ he's the best you know. He just wanted to make them scared but circumstances led him to be outrageous. 

[Max.pain]

maybe sonofliberty is right after all

[Algonquin Assassin]

6 hours ago, Max.pain said:

maybe sonofliberty is right after all

Like there was ever any doubt. I'm a man of wisdom.

[muvdafucupouttahere]

On 12/12/2019 at 3:34 PM, Daredevilasf*ckyouknow said:

CJ is one of my favorite character amongst the rest of all other gta protagonists. A person who has the audacity to do anything, Not actually for money but for keeping his familiy euphoria. Btw he's so sensitive about her sister kendl that's why he was so nervous when cesar said that they were in trouble in los santos. First of all you should know that CJ is a soft talking tough person. He isn't afraid to do anything he even jumped off the plane while it was on the air (That plane hijacking mission I mean) anyway, Kendl had been badly harassed by the workers from the construction site.

Yep. Because just flat-out saying that someone looks like a hooker (which she really does) is tantamount to harassment. So by your logic, that means that Sweet was also "harassing" Kendl during the beginning of the story as well.

On 12/12/2019 at 3:34 PM, Daredevilasf*ckyouknow said:

 

As you can see when you start the mission. When you get there, One of the worker came and said that "You are not supposed to be here and another worker says that this a dangerous place. So it means those guys are not actually as good as we think. Once we destroy a portable and then you can see a worker who has pistol with him. So its usual we'll try to save ourselves by killing them as a defense.

Yep, Because somehow, burying some guy who was inside the port-a-potty without even attempting to lay a single finger on the player (unlike his partners, who mind you, have finished going after the player before the mission orders us to bury said foreman inside the port-a-potty) is considered "self-defense". Totally makes sense.

On 12/12/2019 at 3:34 PM, Daredevilasf*ckyouknow said:

 

That's what CJ had been done. Foreman had been buried alive that's little bit exasperating. Yeah its not so cool to bury a man alive into a pit by filling it with a concrete. He won't be able to move his hand or legs at that moment wtf Whatever you guys say! I will never hate CJ he's the best you know. He just wanted to make them scared but circumstances led him to be outrageous. 

And yet, somehow, circumstances never lead him to stand up to some psychopathic Latina bitch who threatened to chop his balls off and force-feed them to him.

[Max.pain]

thinking a bit more. this obviously the weirdest missin in the series, even weirder than black project & green goo.

 

...well maybe not considering the protagonist is cj

[Eriahslon]

I'd pretty much say it would make sense IF the construction workers sexually harassed Kendl or so,but it doesn't make sense just for her to be called a hooker and the lad gets literally buried by cement.

Edited December 14, 2019 by Eriahslon

[Americana]

Carl Johnson in his underwear murdering a bunch of honest workers.... I mean, when Sweet told his sister that she looks like a hooker ("You look like a hooker!"), her brother, Carl Johnson, answered... "You say like it's a bad thing!".

 

Make up your mind, clown.

 

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[José_Sócrates]

Just played this mission today. I have no idea why people have such a big problem with it. Yeah, it has no impact in the story. So what? It's a fun mission.

Also, I don't think it's that out of character for CJ.

People seem to forget that CJ is a gangster. To be more precise, Carl is a gangster with a high status and a good amount of respect, and he's from a (at the early parts of the game at least) reasonably big gang. Whether that gang still exists or not, CJ still has a reputation to maintain, and he still has a background in that gang, and even if he left LS at one point in his life, there's no way he'd be so highly regarded if he was known to be a softie. That's just how gangs work.

Following this logic, killing the leader of a group in a disproportionately violent way in retaliation to the group's disrespectful remarks towards your family and to send a message of respect through fear is precisely what a hardened gangster would do, and as such, it's not that out of character for CJ, who is that gangster, to do it. And it's just like real life. If possible, think of a gangster you know or heard about in the same position as CJ. Would you call his sister a slut (if he respects his sister)? No, because if you did, you would probably get your dick chopped off. GTA's world is 100 times more violent than the real world, so the equivalent of chopping your dick in GTA is burying you alive in concrete.9

[5YearsOnEastCoast]

I think it is possible to save foreman from his terrible death from that mission (getting buried alive is a scary way to die).

I was watching a  GTA San Andreas pacifist run where CJ has to kill as little as possible, and once "Deconstruction" mission came, CJ used satchel charges to make toilet go into that hole, then CJ used satchel charges to get that toilet out of the hole and then CJ will just cement that hole with nothing inside.

[muvdafucupouttahere]

On 7/23/2020 at 12:03 PM, José_Sócrates said:

Just played this mission today. I have no idea why people have such a big problem with it. Yeah, it has no impact in the story. So what? It's a fun mission.

Also, I don't think it's that out of character for CJ.

People seem to forget that CJ is a gangster. To be more precise, Carl is a gangster with a high status and a good amount of respect, and he's from a (at the early parts of the game at least) reasonably big gang. Whether that gang still exists or not, CJ still has a reputation to maintain, and he still has a background in that gang, and even if he left LS at one point in his life, there's no way he'd be so highly regarded if he was known to be a softie. That's just how gangs work.

Following this logic, killing the leader of a group in a disproportionately violent way in retaliation to the group's disrespectful remarks towards your family and to send a message of respect through fear is precisely what a hardened gangster would do, and as such, it's not that out of character for CJ, who is that gangster, to do it. And it's just like real life. If possible, think of a gangster you know or heard about in the same position as CJ. Would you call his sister a slut (if he respects his sister)? No, because if you did, you would probably get your dick chopped off. GTA's world is 100 times more violent than the real world, so the equivalent of chopping your dick in GTA is burying you alive in concrete.9

It's more of the fact that it makes CJ an inconsistent character. Here, this is the same guy who's the "morally grounded" protagonist many fans praise him for, and for him to bury someone else alive for saying exactly what Sweet told Kendl himself pretty much goes against that. If R* wanted to make CJ a character with "morals", then they should've handled the mission with a more justified motivation. It would've been much better if the construction workers actually attempted to rape Kendl instead, then that would make CJ's actions much more justified. The point is that CJ is such an inconsistent character since the cutscenes don't know what to do with him, whether he murders a manager of a famous rapper because some fake gangster said so to pleaded for mercy when he has a pistol pointed to his temple to disproportionately burying a construction worker alive just for saying his sister looks like a hooker. It doesn't make CJ out of character. It just makes him inconsistent. Again, if the construction worker had actually harassed Kendl sexually, like attempting to rape her and threatened her if she didn't do as he told her, then that would make this mission much more justified.

Edited July 26, 2020 by muvdafucupouttahere

[GTA-Biker]

20 hours ago, José_Sócrates said:

Just played this mission today. I have no idea why people have such a big problem with it. Yeah, it has no impact in the story. So what? It's a fun mission.

Also, I don't think it's that out of character for CJ.

People seem to forget that CJ is a gangster. To be more precise, Carl is a gangster with a high status and a good amount of respect, and he's from a (at the early parts of the game at least) reasonably big gang. Whether that gang still exists or not, CJ still has a reputation to maintain, and he still has a background in that gang, and even if he left LS at one point in his life, there's no way he'd be so highly regarded if he was known to be a softie. That's just how gangs work.

Following this logic, killing the leader of a group in a disproportionately violent way in retaliation to the group's disrespectful remarks towards your family and to send a message of respect through fear is precisely what a hardened gangster would do, and as such, it's not that out of character for CJ, who is that gangster, to do it. And it's just like real life. If possible, think of a gangster you know or heard about in the same position as CJ. Would you call his sister a slut (if he respects his sister)? No, because if you did, you would probably get your dick chopped off. GTA's world is 100 times more violent than the real world, so the equivalent of chopping your dick in GTA is burying you alive in concrete.9

I don't know about that.If it happened in Los Santos,where showing weakness would encourage Ballas and Vagos to attack,it would be justified.However,it happened in San Fierro,far away from any other LS gangsters who would know or care about CJ's reputation (other than Cesar,who already knows CJ's not a pushover and respects him),the locals probably don't even know CJ's in a gang,they probably think he's just some guy who likes wearing green for some reason,and one day went berserk and killed a bunch of construction workers.Not to mention that his gang was disbanded at the time and he was hiding from Ballas and Vagos in another city,any real gangster in the same situation would lay low and wouldn't risk attracting unwanted attention by going on a rampage for such a petty reason.

 

On topic,while I didn't really find it disturbing even back when I was a kid,it's definitely out of character for CJ.Killing around a dozen civilians,pushing a porta-potty with their boss inside in a hole and burying it with cement,and then leaving the guy to smell piss and sh*t for hours before he runs out of oxygen and suffocates seems more like something Trevor would do.

Edited July 24, 2020 by GTA-Biker

[José_Sócrates]

1 hour ago, GTA-Biker said:

leaving the guy to smell piss and sh*t for hours before he runs out of oxygen and suffocates seems more like something Trevor would do.

You do know that the guy would likely just be crushed under the weight of concrete. Even if the toilet was strong enough to hold all that concrete, the toilet is a very small confined and unventilated box. The concrete would pretty much isolate the toilet from any outside air. He would run out of oxygen in mere minutes and pass out and just die a painless death. A lot of people who die in unventilated confined spaces don't even know what hit them until it's too late, and that's why those spaces are extremely dangerous.

[GTA-Biker]

8 minutes ago, José_Sócrates said:

You do know that the guy would likely just be crushed under the weight of concrete. Even if the toilet was strong enough to hold all that concrete, the toilet is a very small confined and unventilated box. The concrete would pretty much isolate the toilet from any outside air. He would run out of oxygen in mere minutes and pass out and just die a painless death. A lot of people who die in unventilated confined spaces don't even know what hit them until it's too late, and that's why those spaces are extremely dangerous.

I was never buried alive in a porta-potty,and I never bothered to research how it feels to be buried alive,so how would I know how much weight would be needed to crush it,how fast would the oxygen run out or would suffocation be painful.The point is that it was an out of character moment for CJ,and seems more like something you can expect from Trevor than him.

[JoeMum]

It's disturbing cuz when u think about it that's messed up getting buried Alive and suffocating to death

[ArmanCan]

the people nowadays finds so much thing "Disturbing" but in the 90's most of stuff was wild.. The whole world passed through wild times and still passing..

 

by the way.. it seems i've also hoarded 4 years old content