Why do people consider "Deconstruction" a disturbing mission?

[Helegad]

Yeah, Sure.Let us keep on topic without the side trip. "Why, Deconstruction"

It is obvious it is Black African-American (being PC) Humor. A relief from the horrors of the game. Some jokes just Die horribly.

Many think it is amusing after time, it is just it seems so cruel at first.

 

Yeah, that's not racist at all...

 

I can easily see Tommy Vercetti doing this, and Claude, and most definitely Niko and Trevor.

[TheSangheili]

So they find it disturbing because a black man buried a white man? No, no one said anything about colors.

btw, here is a good joke: what's the difference between a black man and a white man?

 

melanin (It's funny because I had google the spelling of this word, I can't spell it nor pronounce it)

PS: Black = White

 

Edited March 8, 2018 by TheSangheili

[Victor1703]

It was disturbing because:

 

1. It is stupidly unnecessary! Face it. Kendle is a slut, even her brother said so. You don't have to be jumpy about it and murder the whole f*cking construction team just because they say sometime pretty true.

2. Being buried alive is cruel and f*cking horrible! You can do drug selling, human trafficking, killing by beating, chopping, shooting, all of these leave the victim(s) either alive or die instantly. None of these are like burying alive.

 

GTA is the first game I played in the series, and till now it is still one of my favourite, EXCEPT for that particular mission! (and the aircraft toy missions, and the jet fighter mission)

[Crossbones]

Was the mission necessary to be in the game at the first place ? 

And burying someone alive is really disturbing, it's more disturbing when CJ buried that guy just for calling Kendl a slut, c'mon now, she really looks like a slut. 

I don't have problem with burying people alive, atleast in a videogame but there should be a strong reason for doing that. 

[TheSantader25]

Burying people alive by a guy who kills hundreds anyway. How's that ONE guy different from the others you kill?at the end they all die by your hands. Why don't people understand. You CAN'T MAKE SENSE OF THE LOGIC IN THIS SERIES. if you try hard you will have a boring game. 

[Another GTA Fan]

Don't worry too much. I believe when the guy enters the toilet, his model despawns and an audio file is attached to the object, so technically you're just burying an object.

 

It's definitly not the most violent death, but it is the most disturbing, especially if the guy suffers from claustrophobia.

[Johnny Spaz]

Idk if it's just me but that mission was hilarious to me, could be a message to all those cat callers out there to remind them that the people they harass may be backed up by dangerous people and that women have family or whatever

 

I love that mission lol

[Platybus]

On 7/3/2018 at 6:33 PM, Recommended said:

Don't worry too much. I believe when the guy enters the toilet, his model despawns and an audio file is attached to the object, so technically you're just burying an object.

Now THESE are the real morals.

[Reameb]

On 7/3/2018 at 4:33 PM, Recommended said:

Don't worry too much. I believe when the guy enters the toilet, his model despawns and an audio file is attached to the object, so technically you're just burying an object.

 

It's definitly not the most violent death, but it is the most disturbing, especially if the guy suffers from claustrophobia.

Worry rate drops to 0%

[D9fred95]

On 7/3/2018 at 4:16 AM, TheSantader25 said:

Burying people alive by a guy who kills hundreds anyway. How's that ONE guy different from the others you kill?at the end they all die by your hands. Why don't people understand. You CAN'T MAKE SENSE OF THE LOGIC IN THIS SERIES. if you try hard you will have a boring game. 

I think people take issue with the reason why the mission even happened. Yeah, CJ kills quite a lot of folks throughout his journey, but what makes Deconstruction stand out is who he kills and why: construction workers for hollerin' at Kendl. Usually CJ kills other criminals or rival gangs, usually for turf, money or to obtain a larger objective. But here CJ kills the foreman simply because they referred to Kendl as a hooker. Deconstruction's reason is so petty in comparison. Beating up the foreman would've gotten the message across just as well. Off mission rampages don't count since they're probably non-canon. Essentially what Deconstruction implies is that if you see a chick and *sexy whistle*, that's punishable by death.

[TheFireMZL]

You kill a foreman who said your sister is a hoe burying him alive while he takes a sh*t. I can say more?

[TheSantader25]

5 hours ago, D9fred95 said:

I think people take issue with the reason why the mission even happened. Yeah, CJ kills quite a lot of folks throughout his journey, but what makes Deconstruction stand out is who he kills and why: construction workers for hollerin' at Kendl. Usually CJ kills other criminals or rival gangs, usually for turf, money or to obtain a larger objective. But here CJ kills the foreman simply because they referred to Kendl as a hooker. Deconstruction's reason is so petty in comparison. Beating up the foreman would've gotten the message across just as well. Off mission rampages don't count since they're probably non-canon. Essentially what Deconstruction implies is that if you see a chick and *sexy whistle*, that's punishable by death.

Kendl is a hoe but don't forget that the construction workers wanted to kill CJ as well. The logic is a bit different in 3D era in comparison to the HD era. Almost everyone is an asshole and wants to kill you. Also some missions in the 3D era were there to just introduce gameplay elements. GTA was more of "game" back then. They did try to make sense of most of the things we do but they really didn't care that much back then. Also CJ seems to want the construction workers gone from the top of his garage. That garage was in the worst possible place. ("I was thinking about getting me some new land anyway") . Killing the main dude helps what he wanted. Leaving him be wouldn't end the construction process. 

 

Don't forget that CJ also kills innocent police officers(just like any protagonist) and innocent army soldiers who are just doing their job. He is simply killing another innocent guy. No big deal. The GTA protagonist no matter how much you love them is a psychopath. We love the series but there is no denying that it's such a brutal one with no sense sometimes. 

Edited October 13, 2018 by TheSantader25

[D9fred95]

12 hours ago, TheSantader25 said:

Kendl is a hoe but don't forget that the construction workers wanted to kill CJ as well. The logic is a bit different in 3D era in comparison to the HD era. Almost everyone is an asshole and wants to kill you. Also some missions in the 3D era were there to just introduce gameplay elements. GTA was more of "game" back then. They did try to make sense of most of the things we do but they really didn't care that much back then. Also CJ seems to want the construction workers gone from the top of his garage. That garage was in the worst possible place. ("I was thinking about getting me some new land anyway") . Killing the main dude helps what he wanted. Leaving him be wouldn't end the construction process. 

 

Don't forget that CJ also kills innocent police officers(just like any protagonist) and innocent army soldiers who are just doing their job. He is simply killing another innocent guy. No big deal. The GTA protagonist no matter how much you love them is a psychopath. We love the series but there is no denying that it's such a brutal one with no sense sometimes. 

Correction, Kendl dresses like a hoe, but isn't one. She's pretty mature all things considered. Yeah, you got a point about construction workers trying to kill CJ. Though I'll say it's hilariously silly that random construction workers try to kill CJ the second he steps onto the yard whereas the quarry guys don't put up a fight until you get all the dynamite. That whole "new land" thing is just a weak justification CJ gives, he never uses the construction site at any point before or after this mission. Probably just thrown in there to make it not look like CJ just killed a few guys over them being... well, guys.

 

Killing police and the army is different from killing the construction guys due to their professions. Police protect the peace and most of what a GTA protag does would make them extremely infamous amongst all law enforcement divisions. Pretty much most the missions in which they appear (once again, off mission rampages aren't canon) warrant some kind of lethal force. Infiltrating a construction site doesn't warrant lethal force until CJ starts killing people. At the same time, quite a few police departments within the franchise are depicted as corrupt, not just named characters like Tenpenny or Mcaffery. The game doesn't seem to imply that the construction workers are corrupt or affiliated with criminal ties. They just check out women and some have handguns.

 

[TheSantader25]

1 hour ago, D9fred95 said:

 That whole "new land" thing is just a weak justification CJ gives, he never uses the construction site at any point before or after this mission. Probably just thrown in there to make it not look like CJ just killed a few guys over them being... well, guys.

 

 

I doubt CJ ever wanted to use the land. He just wanted to clear the surroundings from construction activity. Pretty annoying and loud to have construction above your business if you ask me. 

1 hour ago, D9fred95 said:

 

 

Killing police and the army is different from killing the construction guys due to their professions. Police protect the peace and most of what a GTA protag does would make them extremely infamous amongst all law enforcement divisions. Pretty much most the missions in which they appear (once again, off mission rampages aren't canon) warrant some kind of lethal force. Infiltrating a construction site doesn't warrant lethal force until CJ starts killing people. At the same time, quite a few police departments within the franchise are depicted as corrupt, not just named characters like Tenpenny or Mcaffery. The game doesn't seem to imply that the construction workers are corrupt or affiliated with criminal ties. They just check out women and some have handguns.

 

The point is, the protagonist is killing innocent guys who are just doing their job. There's nothing justified about it and it clearly makes the protagonist a total senseless psychopath. The protagonist is a threat to peace and definitely extremely dangerous and needs to be killed. And the law enforcement's job is to stop it. It's clear that the protagonist is the bad guy here if you view things from a neutral perspective. And bad guys, do bad things. Absolute psychopaths like the GTA protagonist do unspeakable things  Like burying a foreman alive. I don't think there's anything strange about it. 

 

A couple of departments being corrupt doesn't justify the entire force being corrupt. Some of the people sent to kill you might not even know their employer is corrupt. They're just doing what they are told. 

Your statement can be only completely applied to merryweather if the game's description of them is accurate. 

Edited October 13, 2018 by TheSantader25

[D9fred95]

1 hour ago, TheSantader25 said:

I doubt CJ ever wanted to use the land. He just wanted to clear the surroundings from construction activity. Pretty annoying and loud to have construction above your business if you ask me. 

 

Construction is too loud and the workers are horny is a justified reason to kill them? CJ's justification is at best, completely and utterly flawed. Or should all construction sites in the GTA universe be a warzone between workers and shopkeepers?

1 hour ago, TheSantader25 said:

The point is, the protagonist is killing innocent guys who are just doing their job. There's nothing justified about it and it clearly makes the protagonist a total senseless psychopath. The protagonist is a threat to peace and definitely extremely dangerous and needs to be killed. And the law enforcement's job is to stop it. It's clear that the protagonist is the bad guy here if you view things from a neutral perspective. And bad guys, do bad things. Absolute psychopaths like the GTA protagonist do unspeakable things  Like burying a foreman alive. I don't think there's anything strange about it. 

 

A couple of departments being corrupt doesn't justify the entire force being corrupt. Some of the people sent to kill you might not even know their employer is corrupt. They're just doing what they are told. 

Your statement can be only completely applied to merryweather if the game's description of them is accurate. 

Yup, the protagonists are psychopaths, but they have morals. CJ has the "no drugs" and "family/friendship" thing. They kill a lot but most of they're not completely unreasonable. I could expect someone like Trevor annihilating the construction crew because of how he acts. Maybe even Toni after what he did to Fort Staunton. CJ's action speak a lot about his character, he saves Denise even when there was literally no reason to do so for example. Even something like Zero's missions could be possibly justified since the RC business rivalry appear to cause a lot of trouble what with them using weaponized vehicles, best to quickly end the feud before something extremely nasty happens (Like the cut mission with the tanks). But some construction guys? What did they do? Not much, just usual guy stuff.

 

Yeah, some of the department is innocent and that's a shame. But they're mixed in with the corrupt ones, what can a GTA protag do? Ask them amidst a firefight if they indulge in criminal activities? It's a necessary evil that a couple innocent cops die during these missions. Construction workers? Not really. If one or two workers are criminals then should we massacre every group we come across on the possibility of them being criminals? No. But like I said, police are different. CJ could intimidate the construction team through less deadly ways, you can't intimidate the police department. They're an active hostile obstacle in the way of profit/survival. This is why nobody complains when Niko kills a few cops during Three Leaf Clover but when he kills the gay-basher it's a bit more controversial. 

Edited October 13, 2018 by D9fred95

[TheSantader25]

29 minutes ago, D9fred95 said:

Construction is too loud and the workers are horny is a justified reason to kill them? CJ's justification is at best, completely and utterly flawed. Or should all construction sites in the GTA universe be a warzone between workers and shopkeepers?

Yup, the protagonists are psychopaths, but they have morals. CJ has the "no drugs" and "family/friendship" thing. They kill a lot but most of they're not completely unreasonable. I could expect someone like Trevor annihilating the construction crew because of how he acts. Maybe even Toni after what he did to Fort Staunton. CJ's action speak a lot about his character, he saves Denise even when there was literally no reason to do so for example. Even something like Zero's missions could be possibly justified since the RC business rivalry appear to cause a lot of trouble what with them using weaponized vehicles, best to quickly end the feud before something extremely nasty happens (Like the cut mission with the tanks). But some construction guys? What did they do? Not much, just usual guy stuff.

 

Yeah, some of the department is innocent and that's a shame. But they're mixed in with the corrupt ones, what can a GTA protag do? Ask them amidst a firefight if they indulge in criminal activities? It's a necessary evil that a couple innocent cops die during these missions. Construction workers? Not really. If one or two workers are criminals then should we massacre every group we come across on the possibility of them being criminals? No. But like I said, police are different. CJ could intimidate the construction team through less deadly ways, you can't intimidate the police department. They're an active hostile obstacle in the way of profit/survival. This is why nobody complains when Niko kills a few cops during Three Leaf Clover but when he kills the gay-basher it's a bit more controversial. 

Niko killed more than a few police officers in three leaf clover. 

However the point is, the protagonists in this series are whiny sons of bitches. If they're against something. They stand up to it. If they like something they want it. And if they don't like something they f*ck it up since they can't stand it and they have the power to f*ck it up. The construction scenario is a one which CJ couldn't stand. Just like Niko didn't stand that hater. CJ does hate drugs and a has a family/friend thing going on but why should he care about a bunch if construction workers he does not know at all? To his knowledge, they insulted his sister and that pissed him off. And since the protagonist is whiny as hell, he kills them. Yes he could do it with a less violent way but once again the construction workers do try to kill CJ himself(even though it's silly) . The initial task of the mission is damaging the site. Killing the foreman comes after CJ was attacked. 

 

CJ's justification "is" flawed though. Just like the other protagonists. He is a criminal and a murderer. Anyone with a lifestyle like this "does" have a flawed justification. There's no explanation for a lifestyle like this no matter how bad someone's past was.(Unless they're doing it for something beyond money that they care about which we saw in RDR) But since it's a video game and it's made for us to experience lifestyles we cannot in real life, it's fun as hell despite being totally violent and unjustified. 

Edited October 13, 2018 by TheSantader25

[Algonquin Assassin]

8 hours ago, D9fred95 said:

This is why nobody complains when Niko kills a few cops during Three Leaf Clover but when he kills the gay-basher it's a bit more controversial. 

It really isn't that controversial. Am Shaegar/Osho is the only person I've ever seen bitch and moan about Niko killing the gay basher. Personally I thought it was some ironic justice. 

[TheSantader25]

3 hours ago, Miamivicecity said:

It really isn't that controversial. Am Shaegar/Osho is the only person I've ever seen bitch and moan about Niko killing the gay basher. Personally I thought it was some ironic justice. 

If the whole deconstruction mission is illogical we might as well start thinking about the IV mission as well. They seem like the exact scenario. I'm not against it though. I think both scenarios make sense since the protagonists are basically bad whiny guys. 

[lil weasel]

Don't side step the topic by dragging in other games.

Series games always (nearly) have repeating mission themes.

"Supply Lines" is the "RC helicopter", et cetera.

It remains, that the "Deconstruction" mission is a step out of the normal Crime Line. It is a Blood Family thing carried to extreme.

There is no establishment that CJ owns (nor has an interest in) the Construction site that surrounds his garage holdings.

[LorshZontek]

its pretty disturbing how CJ burys a person covered in his own sh*t while stuck in a portapotty alive with cement 

[4nsmiley]

Because it doesn't fit CJ is a bitch argument. And we got to think of the kids?! Because GTA is always about teaching the kids how to upstanding citizens and if your going to kill someone have good reason to do it. 

[watersgta3]

On 1/17/2019 at 6:15 PM, 4nsmiley said:

Because it doesn't fit CJ is a bitch argument. And we got to think of the kids?! Because GTA is always about teaching the kids how to upstanding citizens and if your going to kill someone have good reason to do it. 

Unless you were joking, I don't think parents (well, competent parents anyway) are dumb enough to let their children play something like GTA.

[muvdafucupouttahere]

Well obviously, no one has a problem with CJ burying the foreman alive. They have more of a problem with WHY he did it. So a construction worker is buried alive for saying that Kendl looks like a hooker?! Disproportionate retribution at its finest! Hell even Sweet said so. That's Kendl's own goddamn fault for dressing the way she was! If the construction workers had tried to rape her or harass her in any way, then yeah. that would be understandable. I'll say this much though, at least CJ didn't kill the guy just because someone else said so like he did to Madd Dogg's manager.

 

As for the other protags. doing this, well, Claude and Trevor would definitely do something like this. Tommy would only do something like this if he had a legitimate reason to do so, because I noticed that Tommy never kills anyone without a reason (unless you count the contract kills, but those are optional). Niko most certainly would have a legitimate reason to do something like this.

Edited January 23, 2019 by muvdafucupouttahere

[4nsmiley]

20 hours ago, watersgta3 said:

Unless you were joking, I don't think parents (well, competent parents anyway) are dumb enough to let their children play something like GTA.

 r/swoosh

[thehambone]

I've never thought of Deconstruction as a "disturbing" mission. But, then again, I don't find many things to be "disturbing". In fact, I thought burying the foreman alive while still in the port-a-potty to be kind of funny. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Edited January 24, 2019 by thehambone

[Ballas King]

On 2/6/2018 at 2:19 AM, Journey_95 said:

Because Carl shows what an inconsistent character he is and how Rockstar didn't put much effort into him. Him suddenly burying a foreman alive because he called his sister a hooker (even though she actually looks like one) is as OOC as it gets.

Its a pointless mission thats never mentioned again...

 

Tommy was a much more consistent character with clear goals in general.

 

 

No its the inconsistency thats the problem. CJ is a complete bitch around Catalina (most pathetic I have seen a protagonist act yet), yet when someone insults his sister he buries him alive? What the f*ck

 

 

Tommy and Niko do bad things but it makes sense for their characters.

 

I'm glad this became a "sore spot", just shows that people value consistent characters.

Carl is consistent in that he grows up from a gangstar who abandoned his family, reunited with them, does ANYTHING to protect the only two family he has left Sweet and Kendle, the thing he is supposed to be less violent and soft is a fandom made BS, there is no canonical validity. Unlike Claude and Tommy, Carl shows great deal of remorse, but is no less violent in any action. Killing Jizzy for eg in Ice Cold Killa was another proof. Ryder the back stabber, T Bone the dickhead deserved the trigger, Mike was yet to make his much bigger role.... But Jizzy was rather ok and even pleaded to Carl, he was a pimp and not as much a threat like the other 3, but Carl proved when in action he is the ice cold killa. So what happens if the only two family Carl has left is threatened? What if the construction workers just said, but was yet to make their moves like most stalkers do....

 

With Tommy, Claude, Niko, you have ready made guys, Carl is like a son to me, I prepare him from 0, train hi (gym, driving, shooting) to be 100 and see through his character development from a nave gangbanger (who left the life in the first place but only does so again to get back on the good side of his brother) to San Andreas's richest most powerful most dangerous man.

 

Catlina is a bitch who deserves what she had coming. She is always arrogant and rude to Carl, says all the trashiest shhhhhhhhhhhiiiiiiiiiiiiitttttttttts in GTA history and betrays Claude in GTA 3. Kendle is a kind caring good tempered sister who always sticks by CJ's side. Dumbest comparison I have ever seen.

 

Again fact CJ is supposed to be soft is fandom made, he might have his remorse but in action he is an Ice Cold Killa. You talk consistency, how consistent is the badass Vic in VCS compared to the intro of VC? And people gossip and make a deal of tons of trivial stuffs, people gossiped for years of Bigfoot in SA just a hoax. Doesnt mean a thing....

Edited February 10, 2019 by wfank

[watersgta3]

If it makes any of you feel any better, this is how I changed it:

 

https://www.fanfiction.net/s/12231702/17/Grand-Theft-Auto-San-Andreas-Re-write

 

 

[Copcaller]

Never really had a problem with a mission was surprised and annoyed with how many people were appalled with it. Idk to me cj was never really moral or a nice guy he just has a longer fuse than someone like tony or tommy but lets not forget he's a gangster and even when in liberty city was a mugger and thief. 

 

Like another user said cjs pissed at crash blackmailing him his brother being locked up and winning a sh*tty garage so he simply took his anger out on the construction workers the lesson we learned here is don't f*ck with his family

 

Personally i found toni to be the most disturbing mc he killed a guy and served him as meat to his own deli and killed several pedestrians in a fire truck for a reporter

Edited June 30, 2019 by Copcaller

[m3theboss]

Pretty sure you're all overseeing that the developers probably knew all of this and took the comical/comedy side of it all, similar with Truth's conspiracy theories and the radio hosts. Don't forget that she literally looks a hoe but says "do I look like a hoe to you?" And of course, catcalling has always been extremely common.

[Max.pain]

3 minutes ago, m3theboss said:

Pretty sure you're all overseeing that the developers probably knew all of this and took the comical/comedy side of it all, similar with Truth's conspiracy theories and the radio hosts. Don't forget that she literally looks a hoe but says "do I look like a hoe to you?" And of course, catcalling has always been extremely common.

Seriously she looked like a hooker even her brother said it "look at you. you dressed like a hooker"