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STARVING4NEWS

I hope Arthur doesn't die at the end

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STARVING4NEWS

SPOILER FOR THE 1ST RED DEAD REDEMPTION

 

So we all know John died at the end.I understand why they did that but in my opinion,it was kind of weird that you played the entire game as one character and then immediately had to switch to another.I just didn't find Jack all that interesting.

So I truly hope they don't do the same thing considering Arthur was never mentioned in RDR which makes it even more believable that he dies at the end.But this is Rockstar,I doubt they will go for something so cliche and predictable.

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Mr. Morgan

As painful and soul-shattering as it was, John's death had to happen. Everything we did in the game led up to that moment, the narrative wouldn't have been complete without it.

 

But I agree, I don't want Arthur to die. Mostly because it'd be far too predictable, but also because I'm already overly attached to him despite knowing next to nothing about him lol

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STARVING4NEWS

As painful and soul-shattering as it was, John's death had to happen. Everything we did in the game led up to that moment, the narrative wouldn't have been complete without it.

 

But I agree, I don't want Arthur to die. Mostly because it'd be far too predictable, but also because I'm already overly attached to him despite knowing next to nothing about him lol

Yeah no,I completely understand that but my point was that we barely knew anything about Jack and the next moment we were forced to use him for the rest of the game.

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SuperKitsune

John's death is the only death in my video game history that really struck me hard. I was bummed for days by that.

 

I truly hope Arthur has a good ending, cause like said above, I already like the guy. He's a total badass in the trailers.

 

A big, brave guy with a strange accent, cool coat and hat, blasting these two revolvers around in the darkness. He's kinda like the cowboy hero you look up to as a kid you know.

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DexMacLeod

I don't really have any personal connection to Arthur yet but I hope he doesn't die just 'cause that'd be redundant.

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PapasHota

In the end hes gonna go to china with a chinese woman that he met in the railroad to take his father ashes home, so he aint dying

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Safari

Arthur too me is already a lovable/interesting character and hope he doesn't get killed at the end so i can continue playing as him as the story comes to and end. I doubt they will kill Arthur due to john dying at the end of RDR1 and it would just look like redundent cheap story telling.

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Hunter S. Compton

I’ve said a lot on This forum that’s Arthur almost certainly dies at the end but the thing, I’m pretty sure most people hated playing as Jack instead of John so I wonder who they would have you play as. The only thing I can think of... John Marston

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Safari

I’ve said a lot on This forum that’s Arthur almost certainly dies at the end but the thing, I’m pretty sure most people hated playing as Jack instead of John so I wonder who they would have you play as. The only thing I can think of... John Marston

can you link me? I'm interested to know why you think arthur will die

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Vigilante88

I hope he dies. Just not in the same manner as Marston.

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STARVING4NEWS

In the end hes gonna go to china with a chinese woman that he met in the railroad to take his father ashes home, so he aint dying

I don't know if that's sarcasm or not but c'mon not all of us read the leak and most of care about spoilers don't be an a hole

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SuperKitsune

Him dying would seem a little too obvious and above all NOT cool!

 

If he really has to disappear, let him ride off into the sunset in peace, but not a death again.

 

John's death really pissed me off big time! I got pretty creative when I met good old Edgar Ross afterwards. Shot a full clip in his torso, lassoed him and dragged him along the river bank.

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SeniorDerp

I feel like Arthur ends up working with the law to an extent like a hired bounty hunter.

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SuperKitsune

I feel like Arthur ends up working with the law to an extent like a hired bounty hunter.

Could be, but that would be too similar to rdr1 imo. I think Arthur might be a full fledged criminal by his dialogue in trailer #2.

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Hunter S. Compton

Here’s the thing, and I’ve already said this to many times: Arthur has to die. John actually did flip for the law, he did everything right and started a new life and he was still gunned down like a wild dog outside of his barn. Ross’s goal was to eradicate the Van Der Linde gang. Everyone who was in that gang who was alive at the start of the game is dead by the end, and since we don’t kill Arthur in game, he was almost certainly dead by the time it started.

 

I thought it was possible he betrayed them all and co-operated wth the authorities and gets trapped in some Goodfellas-esque witness protection purgatory, but I don’t think those kind of operations existed back then

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SuperKitsune

Heres the thing, and Ive already said this to many times: Arthur has to die. John actually did flip for the law, he did everything right and started a new life and he was still gunned down like a wild dog outside of his barn. Rosss goal was to eradicate the Van Der Linde gang. Everyone who was in that gang who was alive at the start of the game is dead by the end, and since we dont kill Arthur in game, he was almost certainly dead by the time it started.

 

I thought it was possible he betrayed them all and co-operated wth the authorities and gets trapped in some Goodfellas-esque witness protection purgatory, but I dont think those kind of operations existed back then

Lol, no he doesn't have to die. He could have easily fled the scene to some better pastures.

 

Back in those days if you were gone, you were gone. It wasn't that easy to track someone done as now.

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tsycho

Just another thought: What if Arthur escapes to another country and John is the only one who knows it? That could explain why he doesn't talk about Arthur to anyone, because he promised it to him. And since the Van der Linde gang seems to have a lot of similarities to Butch Cassidy's Wild Bunch, it could be possible that R* took the "Cassidy & Sundance Kid escape to South America" thing and let Arthur escape in the end (that seperate part on the leaked map?). After Arthur is gone we may be playing as John (which also would fit the leak from a few months ago).

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Hunter S. Compton

SORRY FELLA but I don’t think I know it’s R* style to end a game with “and they lived happily ever after” especially not a game set in one of the more brutal periods of American history. They basically tried that with GTA V and it didn’t go amazingly. It was very awkward and anticlimactic and just didn’t really make a lot of sense. Besides, even if Arthur “escapes” at the end, (you know the guy who seems to only know how to get by via beating the sh*t out of people, not making it very easy to re enter society!) we won’t be able to play as him after the credits roll, which just raises the question again of who we will be controlling

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SuperKitsune

SORRY FELLA but I dont think I know its R* style to end a game with and they lived happily ever after especially not a game set in one of the more brutal periods of American history. They basically tried that with GTA V and it didnt go amazingly. It was very awkward and anticlimactic and just didnt really make a lot of sense. Besides, even if Arthur escapes at the end, (you know the guy who seems to only know how to get by via beating the sh*t out of people, not making it very easy to re enter society!) we wont be able to play as him after the credits roll, which just raises the question again of who we will be controlling

Really? What about gta 3, gta vice city, gta san andreas, gta lcs, gta tbogt. Were those endings anti-climactic then? Were those not R*'s style?

 

We've only seen short fragments of Arthur. That's no argument. They probably put those particular scenes in the trailer to make him look more menacing.

 

I didn't say it would be a happy ending, but Arthur doesn't HAVE to die like you stated.

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Hunter S. Compton

Look fella I ain’t gotta tell you that the HD universe and the SD universe can’t be compared easily. And that’s an intriguing notion Tsycho! I think it would be cooling arthur Retired out there at the end. Again, though, I think it would be very likely that he is pursued and ultimately murdered by shifty figures.

 

For the record I’m not saying he’s gonna die in a hail of bullets like the last game but you know, live by the sword, die by the sword. People don’t get into the bank robbing game because they’re trying to live forever.

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SuperKitsune

It's still an ending and it's still R*'s style lol. No matter what universe we're talking about.

 

Well how would you see him die at the end other then in a rain of bullets then? Someone stabbing him the back? I could see that happening tbh.

 

@tsycho And that's exectly with i meant with better pastures. He goes off to somewhere else.

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SeniorDerp

I feel Arthur won’t die because it would be cliché. Plus, while a lot of people valued the ending of RDR1 they really didn’t like being stuck playing as a whiny kid. Once you hunted down Ross you were basically done.

 

If Arthur turns into a hired Bounty Hunter and stays east of W Elizabeth then it allows the opportunity for and extended story SP DLC. If Arthur dies then what? Another Undead?? I have faith that R* is a bit more original in thought than that

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Hunter S. Compton

Yeah better pastures he’s gonna live on a big beautiful farm, upstate. There will be lots of stagecoaches to chase and guns to shoot and he’ll be *sniff* so happy.

 

Seriously though let’s look back on CONTEMPORARY r* endings:

GTA iv: Niko loses either his wife or his closest friend, both innocent people and is left to reflect on how he has become trapped by the cycle of violence he sought to escape when he left Serbia. The final cutscene ends with either Roman ensuring him that he has won and he should be happy, to which Niko silently walks away, or his last words are “Roman never hurt anybody.”

 

MAX PAYNE 3: Definitely the closest to a happy sunset ending as any of them. Would be fine if not for the fact that Max in constantly talking about how he begs for death and has lost his sense of humanity and morality and feels unable to protect anyone around him. The main reason he survives however is because if they kill him they shut a 20 year franchise.

 

LA NOIRE: he dies in the sewers, the corrupt policemen who he was fighting remain largely unmolested. One of them speaks at his funeral.

 

RDR: after going to hell and back to re unite with his family, the powers that he decide that it would be best to tie up any loose ends and John is brutally murdered on his own land.

 

GTAV : The game starts with Trevor feeling alone and purposeless and living in a trailer, Michael is rich but miserable and his family hates him, Franklin is a two bit gangster who is frustrated by his surroundings but doesn’t know how to live inside the law.

 

It ends with Trevor feeling alone and purposeless and going crazy and living in a trailer but a lot richer, Michael is richer but miserable and his family hates him, and Franklin is a 3-bit gangster who is frustrated by his surroundings and doesn’t know how to live inside the law (smoke his bong in game and listen to what he talks about). I don’t know anyone who thought this was a good ending

 

Rockstar really doesn’t do happy endings man. Max Payne 3 is the largest exception but like I said that’s a recurring character, and it’s pribably the most depressing franchise outright to begin with.

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SuperKitsune

Yeah better pastures hes gonna live on a big beautiful farm, upstate. There will be lots of stagecoaches to chase and guns to shoot and hell be *sniff* so happy.

 

Seriously though lets look back on CONTEMPORARY r* endings:

GTA iv: Niko loses either his wife or his closest friend, both innocent people and is left to reflect on how he has become trapped by the cycle of violence he sought to escape when he left Serbia. The final cutscene ends with either Roman ensuring him that he has won and he should be happy, to which Niko silently walks away, or his last words are Roman never hurt anybody.

 

MAX PAYNE 3: Definitely the closest to a happy sunset ending as any of them. Would be fine if not for the fact that Max in constantly talking about how he begs for death and has lost his sense of humanity and morality and feels unable to protect anyone around him. The main reason he survives however is because if they kill him they shut a 20 year franchise.

 

LA NOIRE: he dies in the sewers, the corrupt policemen who he was fighting remain largely unmolested. One of them speaks at his funeral.

 

RDR: after going to hell and back to re unite with his family, the powers that he decide that it would be best to tie up any loose ends and John is brutally murdered on his own land.

 

GTAV : The game starts with Trevor feeling alone and purposeless and living in a trailer, Michael is rich but miserable and his family hates him, Franklin is a two bit gangster who is frustrated by his surroundings but doesnt know how to live inside the law.

 

It ends with Trevor feeling alone and purposeless and going crazy and living in a trailer but a lot richer, Michael is richer but miserable and his family hates him, and Franklin is a 3-bit gangster who is frustrated by his surroundings and doesnt know how to live inside the law (smoke his bong in game and listen to what he talks about). I dont know anyone who thought this was a good ending

 

Rockstar really doesnt do happy endings man. Max Payne 3 is the largest exception but like I said thats a recurring character, and its pribably the most depressing franchise outright to begin with.

Living on better pastures was basically the ending of gta3, Vice city, San Andreas, LCS, Tbogt,... so yeah...no argument there buddy, sorry :)

 

And yes I freaking hated the cop who spoke at Cole's funeral. That f*ckin snake.

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Hunter S. Compton

Again. Im talking contemporary games...... HD games...... even R* themselves have said they consider the HD universe a new start for them. So once you actually listen to what the f*ck Im saying and discount the SD sh*t, youre only left with TBOGT. Is that really the leg youre standing on? A DLC? Need I remind you what happened to the lead protagonist in TLAD? Oh yeah he got addicted to meth and his head smashed in.

 

Surely youre not so f*cked in the head as to realize youre grasping st straws here.

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SuperKitsune

Again. Im talking contemporary games...... HD games...... even R* themselves have said they consider the HD universe a new start for them. So once you actually listen to what the f*ck Im saying and discount the SD sh*t, youre only left with TBOGT. Is that really the leg youre standing on? A DLC? Need I remind you what happened to the lead protagonist in TLAD? Oh yeah he got addicted to meth and his head smashed in.

 

Surely youre not so f*cked in the head as to realize youre grasping st straws here.

 

F*cked in the head? Just for this debate? Serious? Okay dude you got some problems.

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Mr. Morgan

Chill amigos, let your hearts do the smiley emoji.

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Hunter S. Compton

Have you ever seen that Monty python skit where the guy pays to have an argument and then instead of actually arguing the guy just contradicts him by basically “nuh uh” to whatever the other says? That’s how I feel rn. I’m trying to present my position with as much evidence as I can only to be nope lol’d in response based on irrelevant bullsh*t.

 

To reference back to the original post, whether Arthur is killed or escapes, we won’t play as him after we beat the game. Yes? It doesn’t make sense for him to remain as he was, yes? There was a leak Years ago saying you will play as John post-story. Thoughts on this?

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SuperKitsune

Have you ever seen that Monty python skit where the guy pays to have an argument and then instead of actually arguing the guy just contradicts him by basically nuh uh to whatever the other says? Thats how I feel rn. Im trying to present my position with as much evidence as I can only to be nope lold in response based on irrelevant bullsh*t.

 

To reference back to the original post, whether Arthur is killed or escapes, we wont play as him after we beat the game. Yes? It doesnt make sense for him to remain as he was, yes? There was a leak Years ago saying you will play as John post-story. Thoughts on this?

My arguments were more elaborate than that. And you know that. You said "it's not R*'s style" Didn't R* also make the games I stated regardless of universe? Yes? Okay then can it!

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Hunter S. Compton

That’s like if i said “A modern war has never taken place on American soil” and then you said “what about the war of 1812?”

That’s not what’s up for discussion. I’ve said CONTEMPORARY I’ve emphasized the HD universe again and again and again and again and again and you’re still coming back with “buhhhhht what about GTA3” who gives a f*ck it’s not what we’re talking about.

 

Also I just changed the f*cking subject so if you want to contribute so bad how about you try to do the same?

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