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alben_m

Red Dead Redemption 2 story details in the title?

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alben_m

I was thinking of this yesterday, we all know how 'Red Dead Redemption focuses on getting Redemption for yourself and for your family by tracking down members of the former gang you used to ride with while they betrayed you, known as Dutch's gang. Dutch himself, Bill Williamson, and Javier Escuela. But could this also be the case in Red Dead Redemption 2? Hinting that the word "REDEMPTION" is in the title once again? I'm probably overthinking it, but it would have also made sense to change the title to something else. Maybe we'll be seeking redemption for something or someone in the story line down in a couple of missions. That blonde girl which people suggest is Heidi McCourt, a girl that was killed by Dutch's gang as mentioned by a stranger on one of the random encounter mission "I Know You" that we can see in the first trailer of Red Dead Redemption 2 ( riding the horses with 6 other people towards the end of the 1st trailer and stabbing a guy in the hand at the saloon in the 2nd trailer) Probably Arthur tires to get Redemption for her death by Dutch's gang he thought he was cool with while they betrayed him and his own posse & that girl, Heidi. Or maybe since a Rockstar Insider leaked that we would lead our own gang as Arthur Morgan, would Dutch betray us seeing Arthur's crew doing all of these heists/robberies and feel threatened by their power and tries to do something with Arthur?

 

 

I don't know, but this seems reasonable.

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Jesse102999

I think its possible that it is her and hes getting revenge.

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Cozzi

I was thinking of this yesterday, we all know how 'Red Dead Redemption focuses on getting Redemption for yourself and for your family by tracking down members of the former gang you used to ride with while they betrayed you, known as Dutch's gang. Dutch himself, Bill Williamson, and Javier Escuela. But could this also be the case in Red Dead Redemption 2? Hinting that the word "REDEMPTION" is in the title once again? I'm probably overthinking it, but it would have also made sense to change the title to something else. Maybe we'll be seeking redemption for something or someone in the story line down in a couple of missions. That blonde girl which people suggest is Heidi McCourt, a girl that was killed by Dutch's gang as mentioned by a stranger on one of the random encounter mission "I Know You" that we can see in the first trailer of Red Dead Redemption 2 ( riding the horses with 6 other people towards the end of the 1st trailer and stabbing a guy in the hand at the saloon in the 2nd trailer) Probably Arthur tires to get Redemption for her death by Dutch's gang he thought he was cool with while they betrayed him and his own posse & that girl, Heidi. Or maybe since a Rockstar Insider leaked that we would lead our own gang as Arthur Morgan, would Dutch betray us seeing Arthur's crew doing all of these heists/robberies and feel threatened by their power and tries to do something with Arthur?

 

 

I don't know, but this seems reasonable.

makes sense but i would like to try to poke holes in this. John didnt seem to know Heidi McCourt. It's kind of implied that she was an innocent bystander and stranger. and if John rode with dutch and arthur rode with dutch (at the same time) surely they would've kind of known of this woman if she was with them. They'd have to fix something with that in mind if they wanted to do this and explain why john didnt know her.

 

Also I really hope the I Know You guy is in RDR2, whether he's Satan, or God, or The Grim Reaper. Those missions felt really awesome to me. almost magical.

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DexMacLeod

I think the thing people often forget (or just don't know) is that Redemption doesn't just mean doing good things to make up for bad things or atonement. It also means:

 

"the action of regaining or gaining possession of something in exchange for payment, or clearing a debt."

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Safari

Im certain R* have already thought of the title playing a role within the game so I'm sure we will be seeing some form of redemption in RDR2. Plus Heidi was an example given by the strange man to portray john and dutch's gangs senseless acts as they would kill people that mattered but were simply killed off by dutch gang used for their success. He was pointing out their greed and their blindness to what they were doing, but I'm sure Arthur will regain some form of redemption.

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SuperKitsune

The thing is though, alot of people seem to think that Arthur is a Van der Linden gang member, which i can't blame them for considering the trailer.

 

However i think Arthur and his posse act as mercenaries because Dutch can't handle his sh*t anymore (he went insane, remember).

 

I think Arthur's redemption lies outside the Van der Linden affairs and more in his own personal circle.

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DexMacLeod

I'm pretty certain Arthur is in Dutch's gang. Probably not for the whole game, probably only for a short while at the beginning but he's definitely in the gang at some point.

 

I think, like John Marston, his quest for redemption won't be about atoning for his past sins but about reclaiming something that was taken from him.

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SuperKitsune

Of course who knows, but i don't see Arthur as a follower, but more as a leader. He might help Dutch, but not under his command and on Arthur's own terms.

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BUT THE BENZ

the title is just marketing-related. 'it's stuff you know, part 2' etc...the best way to aim at customers, easily.


oh btw what if arthur and dutch are brothers?....pretty sure you could go "from homer simpson to max power" very easily back in the days! changing names, seems like somthing dutch would do, just to make a point or something.

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SuperKitsune

the title is just marketing-related. 'it's stuff you know, part 2' etc...the best way to aim at customers, easily.

 

oh btw what if arthur and dutch are brothers?....pretty sure you could go "from homer simpson to max power" very easily back in the days! changing names, seems like somthing dutch would do, just to make a point or something.

Mmm..i doubt it.

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DexMacLeod

Of course who knows, but i don't see Arthur as a follower, but more as a leader. He might help Dutch, but not under his command and on Arthur's own terms.

I think he starts as a follower and becomes a leader. I've said it before but my theory is that Arthur spends the bulk of the "tutorial section" of the game in Dutch's gang and a little ways in they all turn on Dutch and the gang disbands. From there on the rest of the game is about Arthur trying to form his own gang, evade the law and probably settle some sort of old business.

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SuperKitsune

 

Of course who knows, but i don't see Arthur as a follower, but more as a leader. He might help Dutch, but not under his command and on Arthur's own terms.

I think he starts as a follower and becomes a leader. I've said it before but my theory is that Arthur spends the bulk of the "tutorial section" of the game in Dutch's gang and a little ways in they all turn on Dutch and the gang disbands. From there on the rest of the game is about Arthur trying to form his own gang, evade the law and probably settle some sort of old business.

I don't think that someone wanted in three different states is gonna go play fetch for a mob boss.

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Of course who knows, but i don't see Arthur as a follower, but more as a leader. He might help Dutch, but not under his command and on Arthur's own terms.

I think he starts as a follower and becomes a leader. I've said it before but my theory is that Arthur spends the bulk of the "tutorial section" of the game in Dutch's gang and a little ways in they all turn on Dutch and the gang disbands. From there on the rest of the game is about Arthur trying to form his own gang, evade the law and probably settle some sort of old business.

I don't think that someone wanted in three different states is gonna go play fetch for a mob boss.

 

 

Well, it's not like Arthur's the only one who's wanted. The whole gang is. And if the whole gang is wanted, odds are the leader is the most notorious i.e. famous of the bunch. He'd be the least likely to "go play fetch". Even in ideal conditions debt collecting is almost always a lower level job.

 

When Arthur delivers his lines about being wanted and hunted he looks and sounds frustrated about it. My guess is Dutch's poor decision making has led to the added pressure from the law and Arthur is getting fed up with it.

 

I wouldn't be surprised though if at the start of Arthur's story the gang is already on it's last legs with Dutch becoming less and less reliable a leader. As Dutch falls apart Arthur steps up and the gang starts looking to him as the leader before they eventually get Dutch out of the picture.

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SuperKitsune

 

 

 

Of course who knows, but i don't see Arthur as a follower, but more as a leader. He might help Dutch, but not under his command and on Arthur's own terms.

I think he starts as a follower and becomes a leader. I've said it before but my theory is that Arthur spends the bulk of the "tutorial section" of the game in Dutch's gang and a little ways in they all turn on Dutch and the gang disbands. From there on the rest of the game is about Arthur trying to form his own gang, evade the law and probably settle some sort of old business.
I don't think that someone wanted in three different states is gonna go play fetch for a mob boss.

 

Well, it's not like Arthur's the only one who's wanted. The whole gang is. And if the whole gang is wanted, odds are the leader is the most notorious i.e. famous of the bunch. He'd be the least likely to "go play fetch". Even in ideal conditions debt collecting is almost always a lower level job.

 

When Arthur delivers his lines about being wanted and hunted he looks and sounds frustrated about it. My guess is Dutch's poor decision making has led to the added pressure from the law and Arthur is getting fed up with it.

 

I wouldn't be surprised though if at the start of Arthur's story the gang is already on it's last legs with Dutch becoming less and less reliable a leader. As Dutch falls apart Arthur steps up and the gang starts looking to him as the leader before they eventually get Dutch out of the picture.

I agree that Arthur helps Dutch. However not from a Van der Linden gang member standpoint. Arthur does it as a mercenary because Dutch can't keep his sh*t together anymore. I think Arthur is doing it because he can see cracks in Dutch's leadership and hopes to overthrow him.

 

The wanted in three different states part is coming from Arthur his own posse. He's a big fish already even before working with Dutch.

 

That or Arthur is an infiltrator in Dutch's gang under pressure of the pinkertons.

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damienrayemusic

I personally think that arthur is gonna be f*cked over by dutch, and he will get his redemption in some way around that. Theres so many interesting possibilities. But i also think whether in a redemption way or not, arthur will be an intricate character and will have a moment of heroism. Not to the point of marston not as good of a guy as him but idk. I sense arthur has some good in him. Red Dead Redemption 2 is a marketing thing yes why fix it if it aint broke. People know red dead as they know GTA. Not changing the name is smart. But i do think its connected to the story, this game will have redemption one way or another, and man is redemption a sweet feeling.

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SuperKitsune

I personally think that arthur is gonna be f*cked over by dutch, and he will get his redemption in some way around that. Theres so many interesting possibilities. But i also think whether in a redemption way or not, arthur will be an intricate character and will have a moment of heroism. Not to the point of marston not as good of a guy as him but idk. I sense arthur has some good in him. Red Dead Redemption 2 is a marketing thing yes why fix it if it aint broke. People know red dead as they know GTA. Not changing the name is smart. But i do think its connected to the story, this game will have redemption one way or another, and man is redemption a sweet feeling.

Could very well be, dude. I think it will be the other way around and Dutch will get screwed.

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I personally think that arthur is gonna be f*cked over by dutch, and he will get his redemption in some way around that. Theres so many interesting possibilities. But i also think whether in a redemption way or not, arthur will be an intricate character and will have a moment of heroism. Not to the point of marston not as good of a guy as him but idk. I sense arthur has some good in him. Red Dead Redemption 2 is a marketing thing yes why fix it if it aint broke. People know red dead as they know GTA. Not changing the name is smart. But i do think its connected to the story, this game will have redemption one way or another, and man is redemption a sweet feeling.

Could very well be, dude. I think it will be the other way around and Dutch will get screwed. oooh yikes... THATS SO INTERESTING what a plot twist omg damn it i cant wait UGHHH Edited by damienrayemusic

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DexMacLeod

I think it'll be a bit of a mutual thing. We already know that the gang breaks up at some point but my guess is that it isn't just that someone suddenly turns on someone else. I think Dutch's behavior puts the gang at risk without enough reward to make it worth their while and eventually they get enough of it.

 

I don't know if it's even worth trying to predict much about Dutch's gang. I don't think Dutch will be nearly as big a part of things as the trailer made it seem. I think most of the main plot will revolve around what happens after the gang breaks up.

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Gr8

My take is Arthur's redemption comes from being a key influence in turning John from the horrible person it is implied he was during his younger years into the fairly likeable family man he becomes in RDR1.

 

I could see Arthur later into the game becoming more and more wary of Dutch and advising John to be his own man and not make the same mistakes he made.

 

During the period of time John is out of commission from the botched ferry robbery, I could see Arthur either dying or disappearing. Leading to a bittersweet ending with you controlling John who is a completely content with family life as you 100% the game with him instead of Arthur.

 

It would be the equivalent of when you switch to Michael in GTAV after you beat the game happily interacting with his family, but with the knowledge that everyone bar one person in that household dies a few years later.

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SuperKitsune

My take is Arthur's redemption comes from being a key influence in turning John from the horrible person it is implied he was during his younger years into the fairly likeable family man he becomes in RDR1.

 

I could see Arthur later into the game becoming more and more wary of Dutch and advising John to be his own man and not make the same mistakes he made.

 

During the period of time John is out of commission from the botched ferry robbery, I could see Arthur either dying or disappearing. Leading to a bittersweet ending with you controlling John who is a completely content with family life as you 100% the game with him instead of Arthur.

 

It would be the equivalent of when you switch to Michael in GTAV after you beat the game happily interacting with his family, but with the knowledge that everyone bar one person in that household dies a few years later.

I have to say, that would make alot of sense and is one of the better ideas. However i think rdr2 takes place before that. The robbery happened five years before rdr1.

 

Now compare RDR1 and RDR2 Dutch. I think the difference is way to drastic for five years.

 

That and it would be rather bizarre that John must have know Arthur that had such a big influence on him in changing his ways five years before rdr1 and not mention a single word about him.

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MARKUS.

What I dont really know why R* created a character that is not even mentioned on RDR. I would enjoy more the title of a supposedly prequel if it was a la LCS or VCS, putting on the shoes on a character that we even knew before

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