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SuperKitsune

Arthur Morgan's past life

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What do you all think that AM's life path was before the person we see him be in the second trailer (an angry criminal)?

 

A) A honest working class man (farmer, rancher, construction worker,...) gone rogue.

 

 

B) A man of the law/state (sheriff, soldier,...) gone rogue.

 

 

C) Has been a pro robber (banks, stagecoaches, trains, ...) for years.

 

 

D) Has been a hitman/bodyguard for years.

 

 

E) Has been a general/small time outlaw (racketeering, burglary, smugling, non lethal violence,...) for years.

 

 

I tend to think A. If you look at AM's upper back and lower arms, you can see an individual that has worked his back off for years.

 

 

Also the brief period we see him in the second trailer, he carries himself like a once decent guy gone bitter and angry. I think something bad has happened to his family in the past.

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Safari

I could see either B.), C.) and possibly E.)the other ones I personally can't see Arthur paying tribute too in his time before being an outlaw. B could make sense also because the dalton gang were a bunch of real life sheriffs until they began doing crimes in the wild west so R* could take some inspiration from the dalton gang.

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I could see either B.), C.) and possibly E.)the other ones I personally can't see Arthur paying tribute too in his time before being an outlaw. B could make sense also because the dalton gang were a bunch of real life sheriffs until they began doing crimes in the wild west so R* could take some inspiration from the dalton gang.

Interesting, i didn't know that about the daltons. Would be very cool. Either way, whatever it tends to be, fore some reason i think arthur had a family in the past.

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elenafisher

They all seem pretty plausible to me. C and E seem like they're most likely, but I read someone's post once where they said something among the lines of: "what if Arthur's family died and he went into robbery afterwards" and they had a reason why he could've but I forgot lol. But honestly I'm gonna C; as Arthur is pretty muscular and he is not someone I would mess around with. I feel like he was probably born into this business, and so he gained his muscle by doing harder jobs or maybe he even had a regular job as a front (when he was a boy) for a while? I like all these possibilities though, I'd love to see R* use them for him and even his friends. :)

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I get the feeling that Author was forced into a life of crime, either because of poverty (in which case A, C and E would make the most sense in this regard) or because of family tradition or maybe even to help someone he loves very dearly, like a sick relative.

 

 

Either way I'm glad that we are finally playing a outlaw this time around instead of the typical bounty hunter.

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Lemoyne outlaw

im hoping he was a soldier in the civil war. especially a confederate.

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im hoping he was a soldier in the civil war. especially a confederate.

He'd be too old then even if he was a young man during the Civil war RDR2 takes place probably around the 1890s-early 1900s thirty years after the Civil war.

 

I think he was a small time outlaw or an orphan that grew up with Dutch.

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SuperKitsune

Thanks for all your great anwers and insight, people! This is an interesting topic.

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SuperKitsune

I too think Arthur was forced in this criminal lifestyle. And not in the way John was by hunting down his former gang members, but literaly a guy that went berserk because of all the hardship he endured. He just gives off that vibe. I mean think about it.

 

A guy like Arthur must have had a wife and some kids considering his age ( he looks 35-42 years to me).

 

I think something tragic happened to them (disease, accidental death, murder, ..) and he lost it, he just snapped.

 

Also if you look closely at the second trailer, you can see him wearing workers clothes (when he treathens the young guy and when he throws the lasso at the horse). Which made me think he was once doing honest work to take care of his family.

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His past life? We barely know anything about him as it stands.

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SuperKitsune

Well 75% of the rdr2 section is speculating right now, so why not speculate about his past life?

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damienrayemusic

I love this topic, very interested. Anyways I have seen that "RDR2 will have great emotional depth" that leads me to think Arthur isnt "just an outlaw" there will be some motivation behind it and regardless I like the character already. I feel like it either has to do with his family cause thats what a lot of people care about and can be manipulated with... or i think like john, he was a part of the orphanage, maybe he was or will be good friends with john, and they both became outlaws because there was nothing else for them to do.. i also still think "when the time comes you gotta run and dont look back" this is over.. is arthur speaking to john before sh*t hits the fan with the gang and gets shot and left for dead

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SuperKitsune

Great insight and attention to detail. Thanks for your great anwser. There are however some questionable points:

 

1) The age gap - By the looks of the second trailer we can see Arthur as a man in his prime (mid thirties to early fourties) John was in his late thirties in the first rdr.

 

The second rdr is going to play at least 10 years prior to the first one. How do i know this you ask? Compare the Dutch of rdr and rdr2 and you'll know enough.

 

So that means that john is still a late teen or early twentier at this time, so Arthur couldn't have grown up with John in an orphanage. For all we know John might have only just been a Van Der Linden gang member and not a full fletched criminal yet. My guess is that John will still be a rookie at this point.

 

 

2) Arthur's motivations - Now this is still in the dark i admit. Hower i think a man like arthur must have had a wife and kids. Why had? I don't think R* is going to repeat the same story as the first rdr and have someone keep arthur his family hostage.

 

I think arthur his family died or he left them. That might be Arthur's redemption you know. Getting over his family's death or getting back to them. Leaving behind the path of the outlaw near the end of the game.

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Great insight and attention to detail. Thanks for your great anwser. There are however some questionable points:

 

1) The age gap - By the looks of the second trailer we can see Arthur as a man in his prime (mid thirties to early fourties) John was in his late thirties in the first rdr.

 

The second rdr is going to play at least 10 years prior to the first one. How do i know this you ask? Compare the Dutch of rdr and rdr2 and you'll know enough.

 

So that means that john is still a late teen or early twentier at this time, so Arthur couldn't have grown up with John in an orphanage. For all we know John might have only just been a Van Der Linden gang member and not a full fletched criminal yet. My guess is that John will still be a rookie at this point.

 

 

2) Arthur's motivations - Now this is still in the dark i admit. Hower i think a man like arthur must have had a wife and kids. Why had? I don't think R* is going to repeat the same story as the first rdr and have someone keep arthur his family hostage.

 

I think arthur his family died or he left them. That might be Arthur's redemption you know. Getting over his family's death or getting back to them. Leaving behind the path of the outlaw near the end of the game.

yasssss definitely a prequel. So hyped. But theres so many different possibilities its so exciting. Love hearing these. But yes thats true... arthur is probably older than john, i didnt even think of that. I think his redemption arc will have to do with dutch.. i truly think everybody and i mean everyone. John, bill, arthur, whoever is in the van der linde gang is gonna be f*cked over by dutch. Also leads me to think everyone leaves him so in the second trailer it makes dutch say as he is slowly starting to go insane "do you have my back"? "Always dutch..." then the shot, i also think that gave a hint. Arthur shot at the screen like breaking the fourth wall which is super cool but it also seemed like it was a hint, he may have been shooting dutch, or if him and john arent friends maybe he is the one who shot him when sh*t went bad and he was left for dead... i have quite a few theories
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SuperKitsune

 

Great insight and attention to detail. Thanks for your great anwser. There are however some questionable points:

 

1) The age gap - By the looks of the second trailer we can see Arthur as a man in his prime (mid thirties to early fourties) John was in his late thirties in the first rdr.

 

The second rdr is going to play at least 10 years prior to the first one. How do i know this you ask? Compare the Dutch of rdr and rdr2 and you'll know enough.

 

So that means that john is still a late teen or early twentier at this time, so Arthur couldn't have grown up with John in an orphanage. For all we know John might have only just been a Van Der Linden gang member and not a full fletched criminal yet. My guess is that John will still be a rookie at this point.

 

 

2) Arthur's motivations - Now this is still in the dark i admit. Hower i think a man like arthur must have had a wife and kids. Why had? I don't think R* is going to repeat the same story as the first rdr and have someone keep arthur his family hostage.

 

I think arthur his family died or he left them. That might be Arthur's redemption you know. Getting over his family's death or getting back to them. Leaving behind the path of the outlaw near the end of the game.

yasssss definitely a prequel. So hyped. But theres so many different possibilities its so exciting. Love hearing these. But yes thats true... arthur is probably older than john, i didnt even think of that. I think his redemption arc will have to do with dutch.. i truly think everybody and i mean everyone. John, bill, arthur, whoever is in the van der linde gang is gonna be f*cked over by dutch. Also leads me to think everyone leaves him so in the second trailer it makes dutch say as he is slowly starting to go insane "do you have my back"? "Always dutch..." then the shot, i also think that gave a hint. Arthur shot at the screen like breaking the fourth wall which is super cool but it also seemed like it was a hint, he may have been shooting dutch, or if him and john arent friends maybe he is the one who shot him when sh*t went bad and he was left for dead... i have quite a few theories

Exactly man, theories are endless! However i don't think they'll make Arthur and John too close of buddies. Arthur most likely looks at John as some young little petty criminal during this time (if only he knew what a badass John would turn out to be).

 

Also an important topic: During the first rdr it is stated that about 15 years earlier Landon Rickets was the most notorious gunslinger in West Elizabeth. A living legend if you will.

 

That means it's almost a given that Arthur and Landon bump heads some time or even work together during rdr2.

 

I just hope Arthur doesn't die at the end...

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Yelda

Honestly, just money and power counts for most criminals ... that has always been the case and will remain so. Most of the allegedly "good reasons" like Robin Hood or revenge for something are mostly excuses ... just trying to justify his bad deeds. That's why I'm very excited about what we'll learn about Dutch and his past. Judging from his elegant look in the second trailer, he seems to be doing pretty well. Did he really give the poor something? Very doubtful.

But to your question:

I believe, judging from his age, that Arthur wasn´t an outlaw from the beginning. He seems to be between 40-50 years old and I think he would never have reached this age if he had been an outlaw since his youth. Especially not if he had raid many banks and trains like we seen in the trailer. Someday lawman or bounty hunters would have hunted him down and caught ... whether dead or alive.
That would have happened at some point ... he couldn´t always live on the run. Either he was shot or his life ended at the gallows.

Personally I don´t know what Arthur might have been before his criminal career ... it could really be anything. I would like to be surprised here and therefore I don´t think so much about what could be.
Somehow I wouldn´t find it fitting if he has or had a family. We already had this story in the first game. Maybe something or someone will make him rethink ... and he's looking for a kind of redemption. Whatever that will be I hope that doesn´t happen so fast and and we can play a real outlaw for a long time :devil:


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Accountant at Blackwater Bank in the morning, a thieve and racketeer at night... until he found Dutch. This is the satirical version of what I think Arthur was, and the real version is unknown to me. I guess he'd be like Marston, raised on the streets as an orphan and converted to the outlaw life from an early age. His start might've been meddling with other outlaws until Dutch found him and started working together. People like Arthur definitely didn't come from an educated or noble family. He should've come from a 'white trash' background and found being an outlaw his only way of life. Was taught in Dutch School of Anarchic Philosophy?

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Honestly, just money and power counts for most criminals ... that has always been the case and will remain so. Most of the allegedly "good reasons" like Robin Hood or revenge for something are mostly excuses ... just trying to justify his bad deeds. That's why I'm very excited about what we'll learn about Dutch and his past. Judging from his elegant look in the second trailer, he seems to be doing pretty well. Did he really give the poor something? Very doubtful.

 

But to your question:

I believe, judging from his age, that Arthur wasn´t an outlaw from the beginning. He seems to be between 40-50 years old and I think he would never have reached this age if he had been an outlaw since his youth. Especially not if he had raid many banks and trains like we seen in the trailer. Someday lawman or bounty hunters would have hunted him down and caught ... whether dead or alive.

That would have happened at some point ... he couldn´t always live on the run. Either he was shot or his life ended at the gallows.

 

Personally I don´t know what Arthur might have been before his criminal career ... it could really be anything. I would like to be surprised here and therefore I don´t think so much about what could be.

Somehow I wouldn´t find it fitting if he has or had a family. We already had this story in the first game. Maybe something or someone will make him rethink ... and he's looking for a kind of redemption. Whatever that will be I hope that doesn´t happen so fast and and we can play a real outlaw for a long time :devil:

 

 

I certainly agree with alot of your points. Criminal activities for a "good" cause makes you still a criminal.

 

Also i give it five years at most that AM has been a wanted big time outlaw by the time of rdr2. That life on the run takes it's toll. Certainly when most of that time consists of severe stress and hiding in the wilderness during an era of where law and order where still a dubious concept.

 

However, i can't see AM pushing the fifties. Early fourties at most. Remember, reaching 50 during the 19th century in rural America was quite the achievement.

 

Also i think Arthur must have had a wife and/or some kids in the past. But they're not around anymore, which made him go apesh*t.

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Accountant at Blackwater Bank in the morning, a thieve and racketeer at night... until he found Dutch. This is the satirical version of what I think Arthur was, and the real version is unknown to me. I guess he'd be like Marston, raised on the streets as an orphan and converted to the outlaw life from an early age. His start might've been meddling with other outlaws until Dutch found him and started working together. People like Arthur definitely didn't come from an educated or noble family. He should've come from a 'white trash' background and found being an outlaw his only way of life. Was taught in Dutch School of Anarchic Philosophy?

I agree with you. Arthur gives of that vide that he's seen some ugly things in his life, a part of that because of growing up dirt poor.

 

Judging by the trailer though..i don't think Art and Dutch will be too good of buddies.

 

I also think Art did some pretty intense labour before his criminal carreer. I mean just look at the guy's physique. That's one big dude.

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I certainly agree with alot of your points. Criminal activities for a "good" cause makes you still a criminal.

 

Also i give it five years at most that AM has been a wanted big time outlaw by the time of rdr2. That life on the run takes it's toll. Certainly when most of that time consists of severe stress and hiding in the wilderness during an era of where law and order where still a dubious concept.

 

However, i can't see AM pushing the fifties. Early fourties at most. Remember, reaching 50 during the 19th century in rural America was quite the achievement.

 

Also i think Arthur must have had a wife and/or some kids in the past. But they're not around anymore, which made him go apesh*t.

 

Hmm ... good points. Maybe early 40's ... that's hard to estimate. I think Arthur looks a bit older than John and about the same age as Dutch?

So between 40-45? I would not go under 40.

 

Yeah ... In RDRII it seems to be the time in which mainly Arthur and his gang was chased by the law. I'm curious how it ends and which role Dutch´s gang plays in it ... and how they are all connected.

 

I still do not believe in a family or even kids. But I would not have thought so with John, too, if I had not heard it right at the beginning :lol:

Let's be surprised ... maybe it's all very different as it seems. Definitely a very exciting topic :)it's nice if we can talk so casually ... so waiting isn´t so bad

 

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I certainly agree with alot of your points. Criminal activities for a "good" cause makes you still a criminal.

 

Also i give it five years at most that AM has been a wanted big time outlaw by the time of rdr2. That life on the run takes it's toll. Certainly when most of that time consists of severe stress and hiding in the wilderness during an era of where law and order where still a dubious concept.

 

However, i can't see AM pushing the fifties. Early fourties at most. Remember, reaching 50 during the 19th century in rural America was quite the achievement.

 

Also i think Arthur must have had a wife and/or some kids in the past. But they're not around anymore, which made him go apesh*t.

 

Hmm ... good points. Maybe early 40's ... that's hard to estimate. I think Arthur looks a bit older than John and about the same age as Dutch?

So between 40-45? I would not go under 40.

 

Yeah ... In RDRII it seems to be the time in which mainly Arthur and his gang was chased by the law. I'm curious how it ends and which role Dutch´s gang plays in it ... and how they are all connected.

 

I still do not believe in a family or even kids. But I would not have thought so with John, too, if I had not heard it right at the beginning :lol:

Let's be surprised ... maybe it's all very different as it seems. Definitely a very exciting topic :) it's nice if we can talk so casually ... so waiting isn´t so bad

 

 

If i should say a specific number for age..42 i think. Just in his early fourties would be the maximum i think. Age 40 of 1800's is like the age 50 of today.

 

Remember in those times advanced health care and a constant supply of nutrient rich foods were pretty rare. Certainly in the barely civilized west of the US.

 

And i completely agree with that Arthur looks a bit older than rdr1 John Marston (who was around 38).

 

I don't think Arthur's family will be in the game, but that he had one in the past. In other words they passed away or he left them(remember that death during chilbirth was still very common during that time).

 

So as to not make it to similar to rdr1 and to give the ability to Art to be a real outlaw if the player wants to.

 

Indeed, good thing we can discuss such things while waiting for the next big news.

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Arthur looks like a man in his late 20s agree or disagree

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SuperKitsune

I respectfully disagree

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tsycho

I respectfully disagree

You're new here,so: It's greenrock. You can assume that every 3rd post by him is a troll post. That's how we know our boy.

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Oh really? Thanks for the heads up dude. And yeah i'm quite the newbie to this forum.

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I respectfully disagree

You're new here,so: It's greenrock. You can assume that every 3rd post by him is a troll post. That's how we know our boy.

Oh really? Thanks for the heads up dude. And yeah i'm quite the newbie to this forum.

 

It's already two days but: Welcome and have fun.

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Thanks, are you a moderator of this forum or just an og?

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I respectfully disagree

You're new here,so: It's greenrock. You can assume that every 3rd post by him is a troll post. That's how we know our boy.
Oh really? Thanks for the heads up dude. And yeah i'm quite the newbie to this forum.

 

It's already two days but: Welcome and have fun.

Thanks, are you a moderator of this forum or just an og?

 

Nah, i'm just a normal member. You gotta have really strong nerves to be a mod in this forum, i don't have them :D

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Does it get that bad at times?

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Let me say so... you can feel the news drought somtimes. Especially in the General Chat :D

 

But i've never seen any insults here and most of the active members here are good people, as far as i've experienced.

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