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greenrock

Was John Marston a racist?

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greenrock

towards the end of the game, he starts killing Native Americans

 

but he should know about the historical treatment of the Natives, and yet he fights them

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Domand

50th topic.

 

 

I don't believe he would be racist. The natives had been apart of Dutch's gang. However of course they joined from what seemed to be described by the whites poor treatment of them made the Natives join Dutch. Still however they were criminals in this case when John was killing them.

 

We also see from the mission "The Gates of El Presidio" that John calls out reyes and other mexicans for their poor treatement of the chinese workers in the country.

John then proceeds to tell Reyes that no matter where a man is from, John will treat them right as long as they do the same in return.

 

John was a good man, and I don't think he was particularly racist.

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Lemoyne outlaw

yea he wasent racist. him and nastas got along fine. marston was forced to kill the natives because they were part of dutches gang. if it werent for ross forcing him he never would have killed them.

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Chiarii

He was a privileged, cis-gendered, heteronormative WHITE man, so yes, he was racist. #MeToo.

 

But yah, I don't recall him being racist at any point in the game. I do however recall one of the side characters calling the Chinese 'an inferior race'. Whether Marston was racist or not I don't really care.

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Piggsy pls

No, in Undead Nightmare he's disgusted with Herbert Moon's bigotry and lets him get eaten by zombies because of it.

 

UD isn't canon but it still shows John's character.

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Heidi McCourt

He was killing natives because they were part of dutch's new gang, the natives were defending dutch and John kill them to get to and kill Dutch to get his family back.

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Jesucristo

Johnny being a racist? Man, are you mad? Marston was the more political correct person in the game. Also, killing Natives was a official sport in nineteenth-century America LOL (poor people)

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gooeyhole

1911 wasn't the most progressive time to exist in lmao.

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Yinepi

John made it clear numerous times throughout the story that he wasn't fond of racism. He criticized the Mexican army for their treatment of Chinese laborers, he was comfortable being in Nastas' presence. In the zombie dlc, he left Herbert Moon for dead because of his bigotry.

1911 wasn't the most progressive time to exist in lmao.

People in 100 years from now will be looking back at this time in history and saying the same thing. All of history is progressive. Back in the early 1900's it was acceptable to commit many of the acts and attitudes presented by some of the characters. Comparing the early 1900's culture to current day using current thought processes just isn't a feasible comparison.

That'd be like saying calling an astronomer in the 1700s a witch is bad because nowadays they are respected. It's just not feasible given back in the 1700s not many even knew what an astronomer was.

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Johnny Spaz

If you played the game you'd know the answer.

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mde2

If you played the game you'd know the answer.

 

Ikr?

 

OP just straight up says John was killing Native Americans as if he was an ultra racist and the goal of the game was to track down and massacre as many Natives as possible.

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SherifWayne

By today's standards everyone pre 1960 was racist. Heck, by today's standards everyone is still racist. John didn't have time to bitch about racism and sh*t, he was a man who cared for his mission and his family, our luxurious 1st world lifestyles give us the privilege of sitting around all day looking for idiotic things like racism in a fictional videogame character set in 1911. I'm excited for Red Dead because it'll be an escape from the government controlled orwellian dystopia the world is becoming.

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mde2

By today's standards everyone pre 1960 was racist. Heck, by today's standards everyone is still racist. John didn't have time to bitch about racism and sh*t, he was a man who cared for his mission and his family, our luxurious 1st world lifestyles give us the privilege of sitting around all day looking for idiotic things like racism in a fictional videogame character set in 1911. I'm excited for Red Dead because it'll be an escape from the government controlled orwellian dystopia the world is becoming.

 

Why does this forum attract so many mentally insane people?

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Cutter De Blanc

yes greenrock total racist

 

he can kill black people and mexicans

 

must be

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Maibatsu545

Greenrock. One of the greatest and the most legendary trolls to ever grace GTAForums.

 

I salute you sir.

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Lock n' Stock

Really? Is this a serious question?

 

Who the f*ck cares and why does it even matter?!?

Edited by Lock n' Stock

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SherifWayne

 

By today's standards everyone pre 1960 was racist. Heck, by today's standards everyone is still racist. John didn't have time to bitch about racism and sh*t, he was a man who cared for his mission and his family, our luxurious 1st world lifestyles give us the privilege of sitting around all day looking for idiotic things like racism in a fictional videogame character set in 1911. I'm excited for Red Dead because it'll be an escape from the government controlled orwellian dystopia the world is becoming.

Why does this forum attract so many mentally insane people?

I don't want to live in a nightmare where the govornment has the power to restrict everything I do and arrest me for my opinions, kill my children and force me to support the destruction of my country? If that constitutes crazy then I don't wanna be sane. Go take your antidepressants sheep.

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Cutter De Blanc

well that escalated quickly

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VenomDYOM

Way to destroy racism.

 

"How about you tell me about the color of your soul?" Scatman John Scatman's World

 

And, why's this a question?

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isotonicsycophant123

They're are criminals and you can't use the excuse that there natives to make Marston a racist

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SherifWayne
On 5/12/2018 at 3:33 PM, mde2 said:

 

Why does this forum attract so many mentally insane people?

Dumb comment. 

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mde2
3 hours ago, SherifWayne said:

Dumb comment. 

thanks for your intelligent rebuttal on a year old post

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Leopagne
On 1/18/2018 at 5:10 PM, Yinepi said:

People in 100 years from now will be looking back at this time in history and saying the same thing. All of history is progressive. Back in the early 1900's it was acceptable to commit many of the acts and attitudes presented by some of the characters. 

Way off point for me to throw this in, but history is not necessarily progressive just because it moves chronologically. Case in point, the period between the collapse of the Roman Empire and the Middle Ages threw civilization backwards in progress. Parts of Europe abandoned money and reverted back to the barter system during the Dark Ages, for example.

 

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Max.pain

he wasn’t. probably a troll question anyway.

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SherifWayne
On 10/22/2019 at 9:48 PM, mde2 said:

thanks for your intelligent rebuttal on a year old post also i poo pood my pamts

we live in a society 

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Yinepi
On 10/24/2019 at 2:07 PM, Leopagne said:

Way off point for me to throw this in, but history is not necessarily progressive just because it moves chronologically. Case in point, the period between the collapse of the Roman Empire and the Middle Ages threw civilization backwards in progress. Parts of Europe abandoned money and reverted back to the barter system during the Dark Ages, for example.

 

Sounds progressive to me.

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Auditore

compared to some people nowadays John is progressive as hell.

 

But of course greenrock made this thread,this is such a greenrock thread.

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DEALUX

I hope so.

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