I want to talk about the direction GTA seems to be heading in.

[Cosmic Gypsy]

Now i know a lot of you are going to disagree, and that's begrudgingly fine by me, but I'm constantly being stunned by the direction Rockstar are heading in when it comes to DLC, and i see a lot of other Facebook users feel the same way. The reason I'm stunned is because of the sci fi, fantasy, somewhat ridiculous nature of the DLC they're bringing out now days. For example, I'm seeing a lot of tron bikes, flying cars, tanks with rail gun cannons, fighter jets and races in the sky with roller coaster xtreme G3 esque tracks.

I'm not cool with this, GTA to me now feels more like Saints Row and Just Cause combined, set in Los Santos. It leaves me worried for the future of GTA, how they've gone from a not so realistic, comedic crime game (in a good way) to a futuristic battlefield. A lot of you are going to say it's fun, and i agree, but it's not what i buy GTA for, the criminal activities other Rockstar titles and older GTA titles feature are also fun. the game should be driving around with an uzi or an AK47, an RPG should be a significant threat and jets, helicopters, tanks and military vehicles should be the very pinnacle of whats available, and only to be stolen from the military base, so it's a challenge and if you actually manage to steal them, you deserve to rampage. Since a kid I've been wishing for a more advanced crime simulator. With dynamic drug dealing, much like Chinatown Wars, and a decent melee, robbing and mugging system, much like The Warriors and San Andreas.

When GTA first came out, it was good, although i'd say sticky bombs and explosives in general were too available, but now the game is basically Saints Row, and i don't like it.

[TrevorIsMyDad]

Rockstar (or whoever they are these days) is going to steer their game(s) in the direction of whatever is selling at the time they have made that obvious. Teenie boppers that ask mom and dad for money to buy their 200th shark card is the driving force behind the elaborate graphics and the graphic, futuristic violence in the games these days. Bigger better weapons and ways to kill in game characters (or other players) gotta make that money apparently.

Edited December 11, 2017 by TrevorIsMyDad

[Jimmy's Dealer]

I agree with you man. This nonsense with flying cars, tron bikes, etc. is just painful to see. I understand that as a consumer it's my right not to buy into it (which I don't), but I'm still frightened about the future of my favorite video game franchise. I honestly wish at this point RS would spin off online into its own thing, and then dedicate a separate team to focus on creating more amazing SP games, but obviously the market has spoken. Sad.

Edited December 11, 2017 by Jimmy's Dealer

[ChiroVette]

I absolutely love the direction of the Single Player in V, but I think the Online has turned the whole idea of GTA into some mess of freemium thuggery. I wouldn't mind the crazy thjings like flying cars and bikes with rockets. BUT the problem is that the potential for abuse and griefing just grows with all this stuff. If I were going to play GTAO, which I am not, I would make a crapload of friends on my platform and just stick to private rooms where we could all play together without being annoyed and harassed by little kids whose sole joy in life is to prevent other players from enjoying the game.

[Zenar]

Next GTA will have probably shorter story and story mode in-game transactions I guess. I don't they carry sci-fi elements to story mode.

 

Also when I play something called grand theft auto, I expect stealing cars in game rather than buying with $$

Edited December 12, 2017 by Zenar

[Cosmic Gypsy]

Thing is though, i don't want to be robbed of a more down to earth, crime related online mode for GTA, in favour of a fantasy one, the possibilities for a crime related online done properly are huge, i understand they can't actually develop anything substantial like that and release it for V, but what they are releasing shows to me they probably won't focus on core features of the game, and instead leave it bare bones and release flying cars as DLC again. Rockstar in my view should create a new IP, or maybe a spin off and put all the bullsh*t in that game.

Edited December 12, 2017 by Cosmic Gypsy

[Wipman]

I also agree with you; ain't like the flying bikes or cars or this scifi things, about the rail gun tanks... the EEUU have a program to get that for a future tank platform and already have it (working) on a Destructor class ship. My favourite car is the Sabre Turbo, i have a Buzzard (aka AH-6 IRL) and i'll like to see or have an AH-1W Super Cobra, so im a basic man that's happy with what it haves... but i can't lie, i like the RAH-66 and i gonna aim for it; i'll aim for the DMC-12 Delorean if it wasn't a flying car, i scorn that kind of stuff, also those Delta Force 2 like flying bikes; i hate 'em. I'll like to see a Cuda, a El Camino 76', a Mercury Cyclone 71', a Mercury Cougar, a Mercury Galaxy 500 69', a Pontiac GTO Judge 69', a Brubaker Autobox 78' and flying things like the AH-1W, a KA-29 Helix, MI-2 Hoplite, a Ka-50 Hokum... and military vehicles like a CV9040, a HMMWV H1 (aka M926) upgradeable to M1041, a BTR-T, a LAV-25III and normal things like that, but overall... what i'll like to see will be military clothes for booth male & female characters like the soldiers one, their MITCH 2002 helmets with the camos that we have... their vests or even better... the CEO vests available for regular outfits instead scifi plated vest from some hollywood B action movie. I don't like to have a sky full of trolls in flying Deloreans or Delta Force 2 bikes armed with missiles destroying the city and lagging the whole lobby, even if it wasn't like that... i like the cars and the bikes on the ground; the sky is for the birds, it's pointless and ridiculous, removes the whole GTA atmosphere and leaves the history (the SP mode) as a timeless anegdote, like a dream that once had in a reality of flying trolls. I don't like that stuff.

[Cosmic Gypsy]

Like i said in the OP, I'm down with military vehicles, although they do have to be current day vehicles, as long as they stay in military bases and not in peoples damn garages ready to take out and drive round the block any time they wish. This games like Battlefield sometimes, if they put things like weaponized helicopters, jets, tanks and military vehicles in general, in military bases, and make it a true challenge to steal them and get them out of the military base, i'll respect that.

[Cosmic Gypsy]

That's the thing, none of it really fits the nature of the game, play any online R* made mission or game mode, the whole aesthetic of the game, playing V when it first came out you'd never imagine online play having rocket bikes and flying cars. IV was pretty bare bones itself, and far from the pinnacle of what GTA could achieve if more grounded and down to earth. If you was to say to a GTA fan 3 years ago, by the way, GTA V will turn into Saints Row in just 3 years, they would laugh at you, or be annoyed at the fact they agree with you. The Facebook users definitely have a clue about what the games about, and it isn't flying cars.

@Journey_95 The way things are going, i wouldn't be surprised to see the next GTA adopt some of these cartoony elements into SP and kind of abandon the dream of having a decent crime system. Having these things in Online is bad enough though that's the thing, i enjoyed online but over time it became more of a joke, stopped playing it maybe 2 years ago and by the look of things, won't be going back. Should i be forced to just "not play" as an original GTA fan from back in the day who wants more GTA, criminal related things in the game? No.

Edited December 12, 2017 by Cosmic Gypsy

[Journey_95]

As long as it stands in the garbage that is Online I couldn't care less about it. If this bullsh*t invades the SP (of the next GTA game) then I'll be pissed.

 

I wouldn't be surprised, Rockstar seems to love to pander to kiddies these days.

[Journey_95]

 

The reason I'm stunned is because of the sci fi, fantasy, somewhat ridiculous nature of the DLC they're bringing out now days.

I'm not cool with this, GTA to me now feels more like Saints Row and Just Cause combined, set in Los Santos. It leaves me worried for the future of GTA

It fits the nature of the game. There's nothing to feel so shocked about it. Nobody is forcing you, or others to play it. Those Facebook users seems to have no clue what video gaming is all about. If anyone is upset about the direction then they can gladly stop playing and get back to sIVore, and it's crappy, boring gameplay. Just like I have stopped playing it, and enjoying other better GTA's in the series.

 

Also, I don't know why this has been posted here. It's the update for Online, not SP. So, Rockstar understands (sadly ) that this update might not fit, or be too out of context for the SP portion of the game.

 

People play games to enjoy, and Online is an absolute blast. Nobody gives a sh*t whether it feels like Saints Row, or JC, etc.

Rockstar has created almost every update that all look like they are part of the opportunities for making the game world more accessible by adding more interesting things to do.

Having a couple of features like jetpack, and all, doesn't make me worry about the series direction, not it feels like Saints Row. People are just overreacting.

 

The only thing makes me upset about the direction is the increasing attention towards Online. I don't hate it. It's amazing to play with friends, but that doesn't mean single player should be sidelined completely.

Not acceptable to me.

 

 

So video gaming means to have ridiculous sh*t in a game that doesn't fit the setting at all in it just so some kids are happy and think its "fun"? WTF

 

GTA VI will show if Rockstar thinks that sh*t like this shouldn't be in the SP, they don't give a sh*t about GTA V's SP thats why they haven't added anything to it at all (good and bad parts).

 

And what does GTA IV have to do with anything here? Apart from some SA missions which came close in some ways, no GTA has had this type of ridiculous sh*t in it.

 

 

Nice try "Osho".

[Algonquin Assassin]

 

 

sIVore

 

The f*ck is that supposed to mean? sfourore? If you're going to jump on the bandwagon of childish names to insult GTA IV at least come up with something legible. FAIL.

 

Anyway back on topic. Honestly after the latest GTAO update trailer it makes GTA V look really grounded. The flying cars, bikes etc are so un-GTA. GTAO has no identity anymore. It wants to be Call Of Duty, Saints Row etc all mashed together. Aslong as it doesn't make its way into GTA VI's single player I'm good. I don't mind some over the top action, but not when it crosses the line of being stupid and detrimental to the core.

Edited December 12, 2017 by Algonquin Assassin

[ClaudeSpeed1911]

Personally, I am fine with unrealistic things being in the game so long they stay uncanon. What I mean is keep the rail guns and flying bikes away from the plot. Make them easter eggs like the beating heart in IV. For example, say you find the flying Deluxo in a cave somewhere but you have to solve a puzzle to get it. They can even add these vehicles in as film props but you have to solve the chiliad mystery to upgrade them into the unrealistic vehicles they are in GTAO.

 

I believe most of these vehicles were in the Alien DLC but were repurposed into GTAO.

[Algonquin Assassin]

GTA V, as many have now started to find it more grounded .. lol, thanks to doomsday update, shows how confused they seem to be.

 

 

I've been in the GTAO forum since the trailer dropped and even the people who have way more interest in GTAO than I do have noticed it.

 

I guess they're "confused' right?

Edited December 12, 2017 by Algonquin Assassin

[D9fred95]

What is grounded? If you ask me then games like Mafia 1, immediately come to mind.

 

What is over the top? SR, JC simple!

 

BUT, What about the games like SA, and V? In what category do they fall?

They are neither one or the other, but both. This is exactly why I love them so much, because they do not limit the player to enclose them within a set of boundaries created by the developers, that will make compromises, and sacrifices to suit the GAME's style and treatment, they wish to offer.

 

It's fine, and good to also have a more grounded game, as well as, over the top kind of games, but it's wrong to force people, I mean, Rockstar to only cater to either one of the styles, only.

 

SA and V are the kind of games that allow the freedom to play both kinds of gamers to enjoy the way they want. This is something not many people seem to understand.

 

I find SA as grounded as Mafia 1, but if I'm in the mood of some jetpack, over the top fun, I do have that option as well.

 

Since when having a "choice" or an "option" became a bad thing in video gaming?

 

 

You know what I think the real problem is? R* just shoves all this stuff in all at once over "rule of cool". This makes it look as if the universe GTA takes place in is flying off the rails. I've seen very few take issue with the jetpack and I think it's because SA introduced crazy stuff in small doses as opposed to Doomsday where it's like "nukes, James Bond, lolz". The explanations for half this stuff existing in universe isn't even good. Both the Jetpack and KITT were government projects. However, The Truth and Area 69 faculty treat the Jetpack as a big deal (and rightly so) whereas KITT was just like, "yeah, government project sitting out in the open, go get it, thx". This makes things like Oppressors and Batmob- I mean Vigilante's look very out of place.

 

In the campaign, the trio steal what's implied to be a nuke, yet did R* go the "nuclear warfare" route? Did the trio need to go on an epic adventure to give the implied nuke back with James Bond cars? No, the outlandishness was dished out sparingly, not thrown in all at once.

Edited December 12, 2017 by D9fred95

[Brian_O_Malley]

There might be a silver lining to all this sh*t. Most of us know that The Benz, And a bunch of OG Devs 'left' Rockstar to start there own company. So let's say in 4-5 years time

'The Benz & Co' Release there own GTA, And it's better. Maybe then Rockstar will pull there head out of there ass, And try to beat the competition, Thus bringing in another 'Golden age' of GTA

That's my last hope anyway

[Guest]

I agree, the online version of GTA has become a complete joke which has nothing to do with the original GTA concept at all. Mariokart stuntraces, huge amounts of war weaponery, flying cars, rocketshooting flying bikes, and a lot of other sh*t to wage war on eachother and fill R*’s bank.

 

I’m afraid the GTA concept has been damaged by Online too much to see another true GTA game come forth from R*. They will do exactly the same with GTA6 if it even comes out. I have my doubts about a 6th game. Rockstar already killed the concept good with the online version and the way they support it.

[Algonquin Assassin]

I agree with D9fred95. When GTAO first started out atleast it stuck with the GTA formula, but over time it’s seems to be removing itself further and further away.

Not even Call of Duty’s multiplayer modes are that self obnoxious. They might have have a zombie mode which has been around for a while, but they’re still relevant to their respective formulas. GTAO is confused. Next the players will be fighting demons from the pits of hell whilst trying to stop a satanic cult from taking over the world lol.

Edited December 12, 2017 by Algonquin Assassin

[Algonquin Assassin]

 

 

That is the difference between Online and SP. Online is open to all kinds of experiments, and interesting stuff. I don't like to trivialize it too much in thinking regarding all the explanation, and such. I don't even remember anything, at all because I come to Online with a completely different set of mindset, otherwise why would I bother to play SP? If Online started to make a lot of "sense" with engaging characters, stories, and really well crafted game world with very good lore, then there won't be any need for SP, at all.

 

No one's saying it has to. Maybe if you jumped off defending GTAO for a second you'd realise what annoys people about the direction it's taking. No it doesn't have to make "sense" with engaging characters, stories etc because it's an online mode. Clearly we have single player for that.

 

GTA IV's multiplayer didn't have any of those things yet its simplicity was its greatest virtue where people still enjoyed it for years without themed updates that felt like they should be in another game being jammed down their throats.

Edited December 12, 2017 by Algonquin Assassin

[Algonquin Assassin]

 

 

NOTE: I'm not defending Online, if any one is getting this impression. Not everything boils down to defense. Sometimes people simply have an alternative view on a subject. If anyone feels uncomfortable with me having an opinion, then you may follow this nice advice.

 

 

You obviously feel uncomfortable with people having alternative views so you say sh*t like this in THIS thread nonetheless.

 

If you don't like jetpack, then stop bitching and ignore using it, problem solved.

 

 

Apparently if anyone dares have an opposing opinion on the crappy, overrated jetpack they should effectively stop "bitching". Sorry, but I get the impression you're a little sensitive and can't handle taking back what you dish out so you resort to the typical "It's my opinion. Let me have it" nonsense.

Edited December 12, 2017 by Algonquin Assassin

[Algonquin Assassin]

 

I'm not here to have a fighting match. Please take it to the PM, just like you had sent it, a nice "insulting" message in the past. Oh, and I'm not asking anyone to stop the criticism of the jetpack. Bitching is different.

 

I'm not going to bother wasting my time sending another PM you may or may not even respond to. You didn't the first time so you've had your chance and call it what you like I don't see the difference. People should be allowed to express what they like without being told to "stop".

 

Since that's done and dusted, yes. Back to the thread.

Edited December 12, 2017 by Algonquin Assassin

[Cosmic Gypsy]

I think in short what i was trying to say last night is GTA is loosing it's identity at a rapid rate and soon enough we'll see it go from a respectible crime game with comedic elements to straight up childish nonsense with nothing recognizable to original fans of the series. I was happy with the radio and characters providing the wacky content but if the wacky content makes it to the gameplay (like it already has) we're ruined.

[ChiroVette]

Apparently if anyone dares have an opposing opinion on the crappy, overrated jetpack they should effectively stop "bitching". Sorry, but I get the impression you're a little sensitive and can't handle taking back what you dish out so you resort to the typical "It's my opinion. Let me have it" nonsense.

 

I am not defending what he said, but I think you are taking him a little too seriously. He wasn't saying people shouldn't be allowed to bitch, but giving a suggestion that you could just as easily ignore all the stuff that people are referring to as "Sci Fi" or "Not GTA" vehicles and weapons. Not for anything, but in this forum, the attacks and insults fly from both sides, and you are honing in on a blunt but relatively innocuous suggestion like "Stop bitching and ignore it, problem solved" which is a helluva lot less combative than a lot of the people on the anti-V side of the debate often use against us.

 

My suggestion is that if people want this forum to be more polite, that is certainly doable. But, with all due respect, I don't see you admonishing people on your side of the usual V/IV/Other-GTA debate when they say things a helluva lot more insulting than what Shaegar said.

 

 

As for the topic, I agree with Shagear in that I love vehicles and weapons like this, and if they are available, say in SP, then either use them or don't. What I think is a little problematic is that if you play online, in public rooms, if you do choose not to use those vehicles then you can be griefed by people using them against you. So I am with you guys on that part of the debate.

 

But I guess I am a little tired of the whole "This is GTA!.....This is Not GTA" crap when people see something they don't like in the games. People were saying the same thing about three protagonists, special abilities, the ability to hold all weapons at once, jet packs in SA, and on and on.

Edited December 12, 2017 by ChiroVette

[Algonquin Assassin]

Chiro: I get what you’re saying, but the only way this forum will become more polite is when the finger pointing mentality stops and to me that won’t happen when the GTA IV fans are always perceived to be the bad guys. I really wish there weren’t any “sides” to be honest as we’re all GTA fans at the end of the day regardless of what our favourite one is.

 

Maybe I took it a bit too seriously I admit, but we managed (by some miracle) to stop before things got too heated.

[Deadman2112]

That's why there is GTA Online

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that the world of GTA is just fine and will remain so, in the single player side of things

 

Online is a free for all

Its what ever we make it, using the tools available

Besides, it's GTA

...there are no rules, other then don't cheat

 

Like they say, all's Fair in...

Edited December 12, 2017 by Deadman2112

[ChiroVette]

Chiro: I get what you’re saying, but the only way this forum will become more polite is when the finger pointing mentality stops and to me that won’t happen when the GTA IV fans are always perceived to be the bad guys. I really wish there weren’t any “sides” to be honest as we’re all GTA fans at the end of the day regardless of what our favourite one is.

 

Maybe I took it a bit too seriously I admit, but we managed (by some miracle) to stop before things got too heated.

 

There is no "good guys" and bad guys in this forum, nor are there any victims. Only willing participants.

 

The only thing I would disagree with in your post I am quoting is your categorical defense of IV fans. Because in it, you presuppose that only the IV fans are the victims of having fingers pointed at them. And clearly that is NOT even close to being true. V fans, myself included, take a f*ck ton of crap from IV fans who are so feverish and desperate to try and make the case that V is "objectively" worse than IV in almost every way. So at least lets be honest here and say that there is plenty of blame to go around on both sides before we point fingers at our opponents.

 

That's all I am saying.

Edited December 12, 2017 by ChiroVette

[Reemer]

I think the cars that can drive on road and in water are cool but I just cant get behind the flying bikes, cars etc.

[Cosmic Gypsy]

That's why there is GTA Online

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that the world of GTA is just fine and will remain so, in the single player side of things

 

Online is a free for all

I don't understand how you can be ok with that, online play is the current most important aspect pf a video game, so GTA being the opposite of "fine" online is very much a bad thing and saying SP is fine so who cares is the worst most ignorant argument in the world. I wanna play online with friends AND strangers, so we can have the fun of something unexpected happening, like a confrontation randomly, but not with guy's in fighter jets or tanks (too often anyway) and not with guy's in flying cars or rocket bikes (ever).

Edited December 12, 2017 by Cosmic Gypsy

[BowlingMaster]

Market will dictate the future direction of the series. I'm also not cool with those stunt races (looks like hot wheels) and weird dlc, but it's making a huge success and they will probably give more and more importance to online in the future installments. To be honest I never bothered to play any gta online, as I think it's a singleplayer only game.

[Piggsy pls]

You can now literally nuke players from orbit in GTA Online.

 

Jesus f*cking christ, Rockstar..