Take-Two plans to only release games with 'recurrent consumer spending' hooks

[Giantsgiants]

Anyone else think that the whole cash grab nature might have actually started with the release of GTA V on current gen?

 

If you think about it, just the re-release of GTA V is a cash grab in of itself. Sure back then, everyone and their brother was remastering and re-releasing older games on the current gen consoles, but GTA V was barely one year old. Even with all this happening, that's pretty early for an enhanced remake. If the graphics didn't entice you, then the returning player bonuses certainly did. The Stallion, Dukes, and Blista Compact weren't just cars chosen completely at random. Rockstar knew what they were doing when they picked several GTA classics as the bonuses. These cars were fan favorites from past games, designed to draw in longtime GTA fans and keep their wallets spending recurrently. If Rockstar had chosen completely new vehicles instead, more people would probably be turned off by the bonuses.

 

Just some food for thought.

[Lonely-Martin]

^ For me, gaming side of it peaked with Heists, maybe IGG.

 

I returned because I had friends help me with a great start after restarting from a modder attack on a fresh clean account.

 

Had those modders been on current gen, I wouldn't be.

 

* Although, Doomsday has offered me much more of late. Challenges and awards, bonus cash too. Enjoying my time with these for sure.

Edited January 13, 2018 by KWF1981

[Commander S]

Anyone else think that the whole cash grab nature might have actually started with the release of GTA V on current gen?

 

If you think about it, just the re-release of GTA V is a cash grab in of itself. Sure back then, everyone and their brother was remastering and re-releasing older games on the current gen consoles, but GTA V was barely one year old. Even with all this happening, that's pretty early for an enhanced remake. If the graphics didn't entice you, then the returning player bonuses certainly did. The Stallion, Dukes, and Blista Compact weren't just cars chosen completely at random. Rockstar knew what they were doing when they picked several GTA classics as the bonuses. These cars were fan favorites from past games, designed to draw in longtime GTA fans and keep their wallets spending recurrently. If Rockstar had chosen completely new vehicles instead, more people would probably be turned off by the bonuses.

 

Just some food for thought.

 

Not really - if anything, it was the only logical move, under the circumstances:

 

To begin with, it was a savvy decision to stick with an end-of-last-gen release for GTA V, even with the new console generation mere months away - V had been designed with the older hardware in mind, pushing it to breaking point. R* could have tried a blind stab at guessing the performance of PS4/XB1, but ...ehh, that didn't work out so well for Ubisoft with Watch Dogs, did it? That, and rather than try to retool the game to be a launch title for the new machines, and gradually grow an audience on the new platforms, R* went with the much larger audience on last-gen, and it paid off massively.

 

...but then there was the GTAO experiment - and while V, a finite-length single-player game could be wrapped up on an old console, then ditched to try out one of the new machines, that would just mean a whole lot of players drifting away from GTAO as they upgraded machines. Indeed, that happened - GTAO was apparently a case of diminishing returns throughout 2014, until the re-release brought people back (and new players in).

 

Honestly, unlike a lot of single-player 1080p re-releases (like Square Enix doing the 'definitive edition' versions of Sleeping Dogs and Tomb Raider 2013), which were nice to have and kept those games fresher for longer (and meant that those publishers had 'current-gen' titles just by polishing up last-gen games - look at the recent 4k, VR-enhanced, buffed-up L.A. Noire, just in time for the shiny new Xbone X...), re-releasing GTA V simply meant that R* was serious about GTAO as a project, and wanted it to have a decent lifespan, compared to the average perfunctory tacked-on multiplayer mode (again, 2013 Tomb Raider - barely anyone played the multiplayer on last-gen, and it looks like no-one bothered with it upon the re-release). If GTAO had come out years earlier, or a year later, it wouldn't have been necessary - but the particular timing of GTA V in relation to the start of the current console generation really left no alternative.

[Lonely-Martin]

Bump, why not.

[Quinn_flower]

well.....we still see whats next...

[Yellow Dog with Cone]

http://fortune.com/2018/03/08/trump-video-game-violence-panel-attendees-grossman-bozell/

 

Donald Trump is holding a meeting with the video game industry Thursday, but the official list of attendees is very light on people who make games.

 

Only two publisher executives will be present, as will the head of the industrys trade group. But also present in the room are two of the most vocal critics of the industry, including one who coined the term murder simulators, referring to action games.

 

Strauss Zelnick, CEO of Take-Two Interactive Software (makers of Grand Theft Auto), and Robert Altman, chairman and CEO of ZeniMax Media (owners of Bethesda, which publishes The Elder Scrolls, Fallout and Doom), are the only publishers scheduled to be at the meeting. Representatives from the Entertainment Software Association, the trade group for the industry, and the ESRB, which is responsible for age ratings on titles, will also be at the meeting. Activision and Electronic Arts, the industrys two biggest publishers, did not send executives.

uhhh

[Rafae]

Interesting...

[Lonely-Martin]

All Trump knows is money. Can't be good.

 

Anyone honestly imagine that fella actually try GTA:O or anything gaming related really. Be like passing the controller to my nan...

 

...only to see she's literally trying to phone my grandpa with it, lol.

[septimoose]

So that's where Rockstar is at when they should be hard at work on DLC...

Edited March 8, 2018 by septimoose

[Jimbatron]

http://fortune.com/2018/03/08/trump-video-game-violence-panel-attendees-grossman-bozell/

Donald Trump is holding a meeting with the video game industry Thursday, but the official list of attendees is very light on people who make games.

Only two publisher executives will be present, as will the head of the industrys trade group. But also present in the room are two of the most vocal critics of the industry, including one who coined the term murder simulators, referring to action games.

Strauss Zelnick, CEO of Take-Two Interactive Software (makers of Grand Theft Auto), and Robert Altman, chairman and CEO of ZeniMax Media (owners of Bethesda, which publishes The Elder Scrolls, Fallout and Doom), are the only publishers scheduled to be at the meeting. Representatives from the Entertainment Software Association, the trade group for the industry, and the ESRB, which is responsible for age ratings on titles, will also be at the meeting. Activision and Electronic Arts, the industrys two biggest publishers, did not send executives.

uhhh

Don't like the sound of this. We may well be thankful R* North is based in Edinburgh.

[Rafae]

So that's where Rockstar is at when they should be hard at work on DLC...

The CEO of Take-Two is gonna be at the meeting not the f*ckin team working on GTAO's updates

[Quinn_flower]

in other news esrb is scared because of the mircotransations thing

Edited March 8, 2018 by Quinn_flower

[Smokewood]

GTA world confirmed....

 

I've been saying it for over a year, GTA Online is nothing more than a giant beta test (and funding via shark cards) for GTA World.

 

All speculation, of course....

Edited March 8, 2018 by Smokewood

[Lonely-Martin]

GTA world confirmed....

 

I'd love one. My concern with that meeting is more for what ratings we get going forward, or any sort of censorship too. In my honest opinion, this game makes so much money it's become a major player out in the money world. And I genuinely feel there's a clear child/teen market that they attract. So popular, in-game tells us that.

 

Honestly, I got some sh*t for saying it before. But a watered down future GTA. Scares the piss out of me, lol.

 

I base this speculation on the clear successes of other media, movies mainly (WWE heavily too). IMO, this game is on a Star Wars/Marvel/Fast & Furious level.

 

And even Game of Thrones is now a 15 on the latest season too. Money talks, and at times, it really spells bad times ahead. Not on their wallets mind.

 

Please, bare in mind, by watering down, I don't mean all taboo content will go, not by a long stretch. But look at Fast & Furious for example, all sorts of adult content. Drugs, guns, government crap, spies, gangs, cartels, glamourized violence and swearing even. So much in those films, but trimmed up nice for the cinema's at a 12 rating for all to see (A 12 rated movie here, we can take under 12's, but supervised). And even then, once the DVD comes, they tend to be 'unrated' versions everywhere too. Parents are often more lenient at home where we can talk/help kids understand things though, but the government/BBFC over here always have limits too.

 

Simply, the cash is there, pains me to say it, but genuinely hope I'm way off. A GTA as a 15/Teen rated just don't have the same promise for me.

 

 

Don't like the sound of this. We may well be thankful R* North is based in Edinburgh.

 

As said above to Smokewood, and with you on your 'humour' thread, genuinely curious/concerned here. Or am I reading too far in?. I mean, the US has had it's issues and this 'Murder simulators' plank/others seems keen.

 

Real thinker for me.

 

* I only bumped the thread because this topic flooded the DLC thread, lol.

Edited March 8, 2018 by KWF1981

[Yellow Dog with Cone]

in other news esrb is scared because of the mircotransations thing

Source: https://mobile.twitter.com/ESRBRatings/status/968516416742805504

 

They actually going to start adding an "In-game purchases" label to any game that features any kind of post-release content, either loot boxes, DLC, Season Passes, Premium Currency, etc.

 

Basically almost any game ever released nowadays, from games like Horizon Zero Dawn or The Legend of Zelda to Battlefront II, making it essentially useless.

 

What a f*cking copout and what a f*cking joke of an Organization.

 

Edit: I dunno how to post pics from Twitter here lol

Edited March 8, 2018 by Voodoo-Hendrix

[Lonely-Martin]

^ Ahh, that too. loot boxes have been a touchy thing. Gambling/not gambling and all.

 

Man, all this for games. To be fair though, more awareness there is no bad thing. Lets parents/casual gamers learn more and more that money is the only thing on some developers mind. Not the game.

 

Though, I do still feel this game attracts an awful lot of attention over its controversy, possibly large younger playerbase. The further we go too, the less people accept it. Can't offend/take the piss out of anything these days without getting someone upset., lol.

Edited March 8, 2018 by KWF1981

[Dacelo]

I just want a new GTA game. I've been playing Mafia 3 and it's quite fun but there are so many bugs it's not funny. Gimme another GTA game that's single-player focused with the trademark Rockstar polish already instead of this DLC after DLC fest.

[Scuba 21]

 

http://fortune.com/2018/03/08/trump-video-game-violence-panel-attendees-grossman-bozell/

Donald Trump is holding a meeting with the video game industry Thursday, but the official list of attendees is very light on people who make games.

Only two publisher executives will be present, as will the head of the industrys trade group. But also present in the room are two of the most vocal critics of the industry, including one who coined the term murder simulators, referring to action games.

Strauss Zelnick, CEO of Take-Two Interactive Software (makers of Grand Theft Auto), and Robert Altman, chairman and CEO of ZeniMax Media (owners of Bethesda, which publishes The Elder Scrolls, Fallout and Doom), are the only publishers scheduled to be at the meeting. Representatives from the Entertainment Software Association, the trade group for the industry, and the ESRB, which is responsible for age ratings on titles, will also be at the meeting. Activision and Electronic Arts, the industrys two biggest publishers, did not send executives.

uhhh

Don't like the sound of this. We may well be thankful R* North is based in Edinburgh.

Nah Trump is just trying to deflect right to bear arms controversy.

In his universe violent video games are somehow the reason for our most recent public shooting tragedies.

His plan is to add an xtra tax to any game rated "violent".

As previously stated...he only knows money.

[HamwithCheese]

Taxing to violent games lol. Instead of parents teaching their kids right and wrong and not f*cking buying games unfit for kids.

[Dryspace]

A cursory examination of the facts reveals that the will to murder is caused neither by guns nor violence. Inanimate objects and violence are neither bad nor good. Both can be used for either. If this were not true, I wonder why those high officials attempting to subvert or overturn the Second Amendment allow themselves to be "protected" by men with guns.

 

If a couple of armed men attempt to kill or harm my family or myself, whether for our beliefs or our belongings, and with the aid of a gun and chance I turn them into a Bloody Mess, I have used both a gun and violence for good. Just as they would use both for bad.

 

Of course, I as yet have neither a gun nor a family, it is the clear and obvious principle that I acknowledge and support.

 

In my opinion, any video game industry leader who does not take this association of video games with murder seriously is a great fool. It is ignorance that is responsible for this kind of careless association--if they don't champion the cause of truth, I wonder who they think will?

Edited March 9, 2018 by Dryspace

[Smokewood]

 

 

http://fortune.com/2018/03/08/trump-video-game-violence-panel-attendees-grossman-bozell/

Donald Trump is holding a meeting with the video game industry Thursday, but the official list of attendees is very light on people who make games.

Only two publisher executives will be present, as will the head of the industrys trade group. But also present in the room are two of the most vocal critics of the industry, including one who coined the term murder simulators, referring to action games.

Strauss Zelnick, CEO of Take-Two Interactive Software (makers of Grand Theft Auto), and Robert Altman, chairman and CEO of ZeniMax Media (owners of Bethesda, which publishes The Elder Scrolls, Fallout and Doom), are the only publishers scheduled to be at the meeting. Representatives from the Entertainment Software Association, the trade group for the industry, and the ESRB, which is responsible for age ratings on titles, will also be at the meeting. Activision and Electronic Arts, the industrys two biggest publishers, did not send executives.

uhhh

Don't like the sound of this. We may well be thankful R* North is based in Edinburgh.

Nah Trump is just trying to deflect right to bear arms controversy.

In his universe violent video games are somehow the reason for our most recent public shooting tragedies.

His plan is to add an xtra tax to any game rated "violent".

As previously stated...he only knows money.

 

Post proof or GTFO

 

Sick of the idiots who bash Trump. He has done a great job and is one of the best Presidents this country has ever seen. At least in modern times....

 

My understanding of the meeting was just a way to get together and discuss the issue.

Nothing is going to change.

[Nyamber]

Sick of the idiots who bash Trump. He has done a great job and is one of the best Presidents this country has ever seen.

That's the best joke I've ever read.

 

Now keep your politics off this f*cking forum.

[Dryspace]

@irish.chr

 

Well, Trump certainly seems like the best thing that's happened to the presidency since Reagan. I haven't been paying close attention, but what I'm aware of seem to be various Executive branch reforms that are long overdue.

 

What is your take?

[kenmy13999]

@irish.chr

 

Well, Trump certainly seems like the best thing that's happened to the presidency since Reagan. I haven't been paying close attention, but what I'm aware of seem to be various Executive branch reforms that are long overdue.

 

What is your take?

This isn't the place to discuss politics..

[Quinn_flower]

gfto with american poliltics this is about mircotransactions.

Edited March 10, 2018 by Quinn_flower

[Rafae]

Guess they're not so different.... lol

[elfoam]

 

 

 

http://fortune.com/2018/03/08/trump-video-game-violence-panel-attendees-grossman-bozell/

Donald Trump is holding a meeting with the video game industry Thursday, but the official list of attendees is very light on people who make games.

Only two publisher executives will be present, as will the head of the industrys trade group. But also present in the room are two of the most vocal critics of the industry, including one who coined the term murder simulators, referring to action games.

Strauss Zelnick, CEO of Take-Two Interactive Software (makers of Grand Theft Auto), and Robert Altman, chairman and CEO of ZeniMax Media (owners of Bethesda, which publishes The Elder Scrolls, Fallout and Doom), are the only publishers scheduled to be at the meeting. Representatives from the Entertainment Software Association, the trade group for the industry, and the ESRB, which is responsible for age ratings on titles, will also be at the meeting. Activision and Electronic Arts, the industrys two biggest publishers, did not send executives.

uhhh

Don't like the sound of this. We may well be thankful R* North is based in Edinburgh.

Nah Trump is just trying to deflect right to bear arms controversy.

In his universe violent video games are somehow the reason for our most recent public shooting tragedies.

His plan is to add an xtra tax to any game rated "violent".

As previously stated...he only knows money.

 

Post proof or GTFO

 

Sick of the idiots who bash Trump. He has done a great job and is one of the best Presidents this country has ever seen. At least in modern times....

 

My understanding of the meeting was just a way to get together and discuss the issue.

Nothing is going to change.

 

What....... lol lmao are you serious? he is a deranged psychopath who tricked tens of millions of idiots into voting for him meanwhile the rest of the world can't sleep at night for 4 years.. hopefully not eight...

[Yellow Dog with Cone]

Holy sh*t I opened a can of worms when I posted that link, maybe I shouldn't have done that in the first place...

[Dryspace]

I wish people would be more careful about using the term 'microtransaction'. Using it to refer to all in-game transactions is, if anything, playing into the hands of the publishers.

 

'Microtransaction' is a term that means transactions of less than one dollar, or even less than one penny. Hence the prefix 'micro'. There is nothing 'micro' about a $5 cosmetic pack or a $100 batch of gems. That's called a transaction.

 

I usually use the term 'in-game transactions', but I suppose there are others that are just as accurate.

[B7R]

 

 

 

 

http://fortune.com/2018/03/08/trump-video-game-violence-panel-attendees-grossman-bozell/

Donald Trump is holding a meeting with the video game industry Thursday, but the official list of attendees is very light on people who make games.

Only two publisher executives will be present, as will the head of the industrys trade group. But also present in the room are two of the most vocal critics of the industry, including one who coined the term murder simulators, referring to action games.

Strauss Zelnick, CEO of Take-Two Interactive Software (makers of Grand Theft Auto), and Robert Altman, chairman and CEO of ZeniMax Media (owners of Bethesda, which publishes The Elder Scrolls, Fallout and Doom), are the only publishers scheduled to be at the meeting. Representatives from the Entertainment Software Association, the trade group for the industry, and the ESRB, which is responsible for age ratings on titles, will also be at the meeting. Activision and Electronic Arts, the industrys two biggest publishers, did not send executives.

uhhh

Don't like the sound of this. We may well be thankful R* North is based in Edinburgh.

Nah Trump is just trying to deflect right to bear arms controversy.

In his universe violent video games are somehow the reason for our most recent public shooting tragedies.

His plan is to add an xtra tax to any game rated "violent".

As previously stated...he only knows money.

 

Post proof or GTFO

 

Sick of the idiots who bash Trump. He has done a great job and is one of the best Presidents this country has ever seen. At least in modern times....

 

My understanding of the meeting was just a way to get together and discuss the issue.

Nothing is going to change.

 

What....... lol lmao are you serious? he is a deranged psychopath who tricked tens of millions of idiots into voting for him meanwhile the rest of the world can't sleep at night for 4 years.. hopefully not eight...

 

 

Not to drag the politics further but I think he is dead serious. This is all coming from the exact same user / guy who said it was definitely okay and acceptable for tryhards to destroy your bunker gun-running supplies in an unprovoked attack because "free-mode, there aren't any rules". May not be any rules against it but that doesn't mean that makes you an ass for destroying someones supplies in unprovoked attacks for a measly $2000 just to piss them off further.

 

I was tempted to respond back to him but I thought nah, I'll just save my sanity and watch other forum members tear he's post to shreds.