Take-Two plans to only release games with 'recurrent consumer spending' hooks

[LL Cool L]

^ Apparently, these two can't read.

your jokes are honestly dead, you try come with them one liners but you flop.....cos you don't actually contribute anything to the argument.....

 

I bet if I look back tho, Irish hunter and co liked all your "funny" posts...

[Lonely-Martin]

 

 

Do passive grinding by waiting for bunker sales and stay in the lobby without getting kicked by watching TV in your apartment. Rinse and repeat.

Stuff

 

Yes, you are the very definition of entitled.

 

Things don't just magically fall out of the f*cking sky, and nor should they. To have all the cool cars and yachts and businesses should require either a) a ton of hard and arduous grinding (whichever way you see fit) or b) your own real life hard earned to take the easy way. I've loved working my way up through the game. I remember being a low level, and how hard it was in the beginning. That's why I have a greater appreciation for the game now.

 

A video game is the process by which a player progresses to achieve certain goals. Accomplishment is one of the reasons people play video games. To say having a sense of accomplishment is not terribly important, is asinine.

 

 

Am I missing something here.

 

But certain microtransactions is the f*cking opposite of what you'd want.

 

This is (from my POV) a awareness/discussion to show these can be to the detriment of this whole response in places, and that it is having an influence on this game. I do feel.

 

I agree to earn top end there's a degree of progression and achieving involved, but arduous grinding, that's a joke, surely. There's no other game I've played, GTA included where 'arduous grinding' was a necessity.

 

Neither arduous grinding or extensive financial investment should be leading. There should be a balance.

[LL Cool L]

 

And a STARTER pack should not level the playing field,...

Yes i agree on that. However, a starter pack should include actually usefull items, not just stuff thats expensive a raises the fake money worth up to 10 Million.

Usefull stuff like a buzzard, an armored schafter v12, a sultan and a zentorno, a vehicle warehouse to start the money making, a bunker thats not on the a$$ hole of the map, the cheapest 10 car apartment in del pero, etc. You know stuff that actually gives a new player a little headstart.

Not until you learn the game do these items even mean anything....what is useful is subjective.......don't get me wrong I get your point but....it is a starter pack.....you're comparing what YOU have accumulated over the years to a STARTER PACK, its to help you through the door...even if you think it is not worth it (which I also do) it IS OPTIONAL....I really need to understand how OPTIONS and CHOICES are bad....

 

the game keeps advertising this sh*t to me. like really? if i bought it would overwrite stuff which is way more valuable.

again

 

the ads are not tailor made, we all get them, they are ads while the game is loading, they have no effect on you or your gaming experience...I don't need the starter pack, yet I get the same ads, they are universal, really nothing to complain about...

[Lonely-Martin]

 

 

And a STARTER pack should not level the playing field,...

Yes i agree on that. However, a starter pack should include actually usefull items, not just stuff thats expensive a raises the fake money worth up to 10 Million.

Usefull stuff like a buzzard, an armored schafter v12, a sultan and a zentorno, a vehicle warehouse to start the money making, a bunker thats not on the a$$ hole of the map, the cheapest 10 car apartment in del pero, etc. You know stuff that actually gives a new player a little headstart.

Not until you learn the game do these items even mean anything....what is useful is subjective.......don't get me wrong I get your point but....it is a starter pack.....you're comparing what YOU have accumulated over the years to a STARTER PACK, its to help you through the door...even if you think it is not worth it (which I also do) it IS OPTIONAL....I really need to understand how OPTIONS and CHOICES are bad....

 

the game keeps advertising this sh*t to me. like really? if i bought it would overwrite stuff which is way more valuable.

again

 

the ads are not tailor made, we all get them, they are ads while the game is loading, they have no effect on you or your gaming experience...I don't need the starter pack, yet I get the same ads, they are universal, really nothing to complain about...

 

 

Though I again agree advertising such things is key.

 

When combined with the constant messages, emails and phone calls in-game, this can add to that 'feeling compounded' or 'compelled' felling i do find.

 

By all means, fill loading screens, and when things are released, the in-game notifications are most welcome...

 

,,, the first time. From then, let players learn/choose.

 

They say we can ignore such content we chose. All good. But they judt don't IF you choose to not play a certain business/DLC.

[Black-Dragon96]

You're not meant to buy every single thing in the game, the notion by which some people seem confused.

 

Whats the problem with wanting to experience everything a game has to offer?

I mean the point of a game is having fun and there are many ways to have fun with a game. Some people want to experience everything because it is fun for them to beet a game 100% and enjoy every bit of content.

 

One of the guys above is seemingly baffled as to why I called him entitled and impatient. Because apparently wanting every piece of content RIGHT NOW (Hmpf!) and wanting it to be priced far lower is the exact opposite. I'm baffled at him being baffled. It's baffle-ception, which to be honest fits perfectly into the nature of this thread.

I think this is directed at me, so:

 

First of all:

The only thing I "want right now" is the option to purchase every item at the release of the update, aka. no dripfeed. It is stupid to lock content behind a timer for whatever reason.

 

Second of all:

I dont want comtent to be cheap I want content to be reasonably priced. Stuff thats powerfull should be priced higher than a less powerfull vehicle. A vehicle like the dune fav is not really worth 800k imo or stuff like the armored boxville thats not even armored for over 1 Million. Thats stuff that not reasonably priced.

The amount of play time to aquire a certain item should also be reasonable.

Im not saying that it should be easy to aquire the good stuff. It should not be possible to buy a hydra after playing for just 2 hours (wich sadly is possible because of sharkcards), but you should not have to grind the most paying thing for 5 hours straight to aquire 1 good car. You should be able to aquire the new content by playing what you like not just by grinding the sh*t out of businesses, playing the same heist over and over or playing whatever adversery mode is double $ at the time.

Try to earn the new content by just playing deathmatches. That would take days of playing without a toilet break, because a regular deathmatch win gets you about 6k.

 

 

Edit:

Since you did not explain why you think I am entitled, Im jsut going to assume that sou where just waving around the entitled card without any backup for your statement.

Edited December 22, 2017 by Black-Dragon96

[HamwithCheese]

 

^ Apparently, these two can't read.

your jokes are honestly dead, you try come with them one liners but you flop.....cos you don't actually contribute anything to the argument.....

 

I bet if I look back tho, Irish hunter and co liked all your "funny" posts...

Joke? No, dude you seriously can't read. No one here wants everything given to them, no one wants everything for free or jobs without enemies.

 

We want A GAME THAT UTILIZES ALL POTENTIAL

 

Jesus Christ, you people are so literal, everything is black and white.

Edited December 22, 2017 by HamwithCheese

[LL Cool L]

 

You're not meant to buy every single thing in the game, the notion by which some people seem confused.

Whats the problem with wanting to experience everything a game has to offer?

I mean the point of a game is having fun and there are many ways to have fun with a game. Some people want to experience everything because it is fun for them to beet a game 100% and enjoy every bit of content.

aaaand why should getting EVERYTHING in the game be quick, easy, or cheap?

that is not a problem but people on here seem to want that to be a walk in the park...nah B

 

this is a big game, there is a lot to experience, im sorry but nothing you say will convince me that, that should be an easy or cheap (shark card/ in game game currency) or easy process...

[HamwithCheese]

"What's the problem of wanting everything?"

 

"Well why should it be easy?"

 

What.

[LL Cool L]

 

 

^ Apparently, these two can't read.

your jokes are honestly dead, you try come with them one liners but you flop.....cos you don't actually contribute anything to the argument.....

 

I bet if I look back tho, Irish hunter and co liked all your "funny" posts...

Joke? No, dude you seriously can't read. No one here wants everything given to them, no one wants everything for free or jobs without enemies.

 

We want A GAME THAT UTILIZES ALL POTENTIAL

 

Jesus Christ, you people are so literal, everything is black and white.

wtf? a game that utilizes all potential???

 

what the hell are you actually on about? what does that mean?....what do YOU mean?...do you even know the definition of potential?

 

 

1. having or showing the capacity to develop into something in the future.

The game has done that clearly...

1. latent qualities or abilities that may be developed and lead to future success or usefulness.

The game has that...clearly....

Lol the post above yours asks what is wrong with owning everything in the game, there are obviosuly players that want everything in the game

and jeeezuz you guys live in a fantasy world....again, jokes remain dead

"What's the problem of wanting everything?"

 

"Well why should it be easy?"

 

What.

its a question, a simple one....you have not answered, maybe its too complex for you...why should owning everything in the game be easy or cheap????

 

serious question ........lets see if you answer....

[Yellow Dog with Cone]

BALANCE.

 

This word is the key.

 

When I grind crates 6-8 hours to fill a warehouse to earn 2 million and someone destroys it in a matter of seconds, because no one wants to join my Organization because theh get paid peanuts, there is no balance.

 

When I spend $100 to buy $8,000,000 in GTA$ and I can barely afford more than 4 supercars with it, there is no balance.

 

Balance is the key and currently there is none.

 

Now tell me, in which f*cking way wanting balance between ingame income rate and Shark Card buying power does makes me entitled? In which f*cking way?

[HamwithCheese]

I never said it should be easy.

[LL Cool L]

BALANCE.

 

This word is the key.

 

When I grind crates 6-8 hours to fill a warehouse to earn 2 million and someone destroys it in a matter of seconds, because no one wants to join my Organization because theh get paid peanuts, there is no balance.

 

When I spend $100 to buy $8,000,000 in GTA$ and I can barely afford more than 4 supercars with it, there is no balance.

 

Balance is the key and currently there is none.

 

Now tell me, in which f*cking way wanting balance between ingame income rate and Shark Card buying power does makes me entitled? In which f*cking way?

That is more complicated bro...for a few reasons

 

as a player you should know when a lobby is safe to sell or do supply runs..obviously sometimes you can get random aggression but its not that often, if it is for you then that is just bad luck...even still that is part of the challenge and thrill of playing online...THIS is online, you play against/ with/ alongside random people across the world, so it is not so lonely and opponents are dynamic and different..etc etc

 

The grind is your choice...you are also encouraged to team up, obviously this is not as easy for every player...I get that but that is not R*s fault its more a preference/ social thing

 

"When I spend $100 to buy $8,000,000 in GTA$ and I can barely afford more than 4 supercars with it"

who realistically does that? why do you need 4 supercars? you need one for racing, the rest is vanity bro...or collection, either way they are not compulsory..

 

I dont remember calling you entitled...

[Giantsgiants]

BALANCE.

 

This word is the key.

 

When I grind crates 6-8 hours to fill a warehouse to earn 2 million and someone destroys it in a matter of seconds, because no one wants to join my Organization because theh get paid peanuts, there is no balance.

 

When I spend $100 to buy $8,000,000 in GTA$ and I can barely afford more than 4 supercars with it, there is no balance.

 

Balance is the key and currently there is none.

 

Now tell me, in which f*cking way wanting balance between ingame income rate and Shark Card buying power does makes me entitled? In which f*cking way?

I agree with this.

 

Out of curiosity, I wonder what people like LL Cool L, Aggregate Demand, etc would say to the Battlefront 2 players complaining about lootboxes and how it takes so long to unlock Darth Vader.

[LL Cool L]

 

BALANCE.

 

This word is the key.

 

When I grind crates 6-8 hours to fill a warehouse to earn 2 million and someone destroys it in a matter of seconds, because no one wants to join my Organization because theh get paid peanuts, there is no balance.

 

When I spend $100 to buy $8,000,000 in GTA$ and I can barely afford more than 4 supercars with it, there is no balance.

 

Balance is the key and currently there is none.

 

Now tell me, in which f*cking way wanting balance between ingame income rate and Shark Card buying power does makes me entitled? In which f*cking way?

I agree with this.

 

Out of curiosity, I wonder what people like LL Cool L, Aggregate Demand, etc would say to the Battlefront 2 players complaining about lootboxes and how it takes so long to unlock Darth Vader.

 

don't play battlefield this is gta forums

 

dnt care about that game sorry

[HamwithCheese]

Yeah you're right, I guess PvP rehashed into fetch and wait to sell quests in public lobbies is the full potential of this game.

 

What a lack of imagination you people have.

[Lonely-Martin]

BALANCE.

 

This word is the key.

 

When I grind crates 6-8 hours to fill a warehouse to earn 2 million and someone destroys it in a matter of seconds, WITHOUT A BALANCED CHALLENGE.

 

Sorry to add to this in this way.

 

Just much easier to add than reiterate.

 

(The caps are purely to illustrate my addition, by no means shouting/getting aggressive)

don't play battlefield this is gta forums

 

 

 

dnt care about that game sorry

 

Proves foolishness IMO.

 

IF, that proves 'the way forward' this is exactly to avoid those issues.

 

Means you are uninformed, at best. (To know what one's talking of in regards to that game, a mere google will help. No playing required).

 

Be fair.

Edited December 22, 2017 by KWF1981

[HamwithCheese]

Meanwhile, polyphony digital added 12 cars (not all multi million dollar), including 2 skylines and an rx7, and 48 new offline events and a new track to gt sport for free.

Edited December 22, 2017 by HamwithCheese

[Yellow Dog with Cone]

That is more complicated bro...for a few reasons

 

as a player you should know when a lobby is safe to sell or do supply runs..obviously sometimes you can get random aggression but its not that often, if it is for you then that is just bad luck...even still that is part of the challenge and thrill of playing online...THIS is online, you play against/ with/ alongside random people across the world, so it is not so lonely and opponents are dynamic and different..etc etc

 

The grind is your choice...you are also encouraged to team up, obviously this is not as easy for every player...I get that but that is not R*s fault its more a preference/ social thing

 

"When I spend $100 to buy $8,000,000 in GTA$ and I can barely afford more than 4 supercars with it"

who realistically does that? why do you need 4 supercars? you need one for racing, the rest is vanity bro...or collection, either way they are not compulsory..

 

I dont remember calling you entitled...

Don't worry, my comment was directed to Aggregate Demand, not you.

 

If I have learned something about selling, is that even with a team of eight players in your MC, it only takes someone half skilled in an Hydra spamming Ghost Organization to set you back hours of grinding. It's way too easy to destroy sales.

 

Teamplay is enforced by R* and barely rewarded at the same time, no wonder why random people don't team up unless to wreck sh*t up. Hell, I'm in one lf those dreaded "friendly" crews and people get pissed if you invite them to do supply runs instead of selling.

 

Yeah, cars are vanity items, that's true, but I expect being able to have more buying power in the game if I spend $100 in a Shark Card.

[Dacelo]

 

 

The real question is; is all this talk about unbalanced play (and Rockstar's supposed tendency to ruin the game by including expensive content which is supplemented by microtransactions) really that big of a deal? What do you need to survive in GTAO? A Buzzard? Good, it's been $1.8 million since launch. A Kuruma for bulletproof protection? $525,000 isn't too bad. An insurgent? $675,000 seems okay for a bomb-resistant paramilitary four wheel drive. Maybe a Hydra if things get particularly sticky? Yeah, why not. But to be honest, all you need for getting around the map is an Insurgent, which even low levels can afford after a few heists and CEO jobs.

The fact that you need an explosive proof car just to travel around the map (and even that won't save you if someone decides to drop $750k on an instakill) is pretty unbalanced to start with IMO. But people already know I'm not a fan of the paramilitary direction that GTAO has gone in.

[Picklez]

 

"$85 is an ok price to afford a jet that's been in the game since day 1 while all the other jets are half that price."

 

"It's a military jet how much you want it to cost?!"

 

The jet does not cost $85 thoTo say i am blinding defending rockstar when I have vaild points is dumb tbh

Hmmm let's see here.

 

Lazer=$6.5 million

 

Megalodon Shark Card=$8 million

 

Seeing as how there's no lower Shark Card that could afford you a Lazer. That makes the Lazer cost...$100 dollars. Wow dang man you're right. Here I was, about to tell you that you're wrong but I'll be damned. You're right. It costs MORE than $85 to afford a Lazer.

 

I guess that makes it ok now.

It's not IV MP. You have to earn what you keep.

 

No more free spawns.

 

I see no issues with the prices for myself but I see how a collector would. Then again to collect 100 high end cars should take a lot of effort IMO.

You glitched your money. Of course the prices are no issue for you lmao.

Edited December 22, 2017 by Picklez

[CosmicBuffalo]

its a question, a simple one....you have not answered, maybe its too complex for you...why should owning everything in the game be easy or cheap????

 

serious question ........lets see if you answer....

To compete with modded accounts, shark card buyers, glitchers...try hards.

 

Spamming ghost, bribe authorities, spawning lazers, bst, running Fully Loaded... need I go on...is expensive for normal players. I guess they could leave or passive, but thats not really competing.

 

How about transform races, the best races...which the pay walls impact with special vehicles and custom planes. I know I have won many cause I own them all and the poor scrubs do not have custom ones.

 

So yeah, its definitely a problem if this pay wall crap is in the game right from the get go, no way GTA is as popular if the first update was GR with research and stupid prices. I think someone referenced the Dune FaV...lol...what a disappointment, it gets stuck off road.

 

But this topic is about the future of R* games and GTA in particular and alot of people can see the future....pay walls pay walls pay walls. The prices are predatory, and marketed to children and GTA popularity are currently fueling the dlc train. But will GTAs suffer similar fates as some of the other hyper micro games have.

 

If you buy shark cards, knowing full well the price per in game dollars...I hope youre a millionaire cause you are being straight robbed. But if you have bills and responsibilites, cigarettes might actually might be a better value. I once bought a shark card to support R* at the start of lowriders and regretted it when they made the prices ridiculous on the cars and heists style lamar missions. R* deserved no more of my money on GTAV.

[D9fred95]

I bet if I look back tho, Irish hunter and co liked all your "funny" posts...

 

A bit hypocritical of you to say considered Ragedandcaged always likes your posts and you take no issue with it since we all know he has so little interest in GTA's future that if GTA 6 could turn into a Strawberry Shortcake game complete with baking minigames, he'd be like "Yeah... sh*t happens."

[LL Cool L]

 

don't play battlefield this is gta forums

 

dnt care about that game sorry

 

Proves foolishness IMO.

 

IF, that proves 'the way forward' this is exactly to avoid those issues.

 

Means you are uninformed, at best. (To know what one's talking of in regards to that game, a mere google will help. No playing required).

 

Be fair.

nah meaning this is a threa about gta, not other games, there are topics for that, I dotn care because, I dont not play said games and again this part of the forums is mainly for gta online

 

I have not made any comparisons with other games or how other game companies do they thang, so I personally don't care

 

is that fair?

 

 

 

"$85 is an ok price to afford a jet that's been in the game since day 1 while all the other jets are half that price."

 

"It's a military jet how much you want it to cost?!"

The jet does not cost $85 thoTo say i am blinding defending rockstar when I have vaild points is dumb tbh

Hmmm let's see here.

 

Lazer=$6.5 million

 

Megalodon Shark Card=$8 million

 

Seeing as how there's no lower Shark Card that could afford you a Lazer. That makes the Lazer cost...$100 dollars. Wow dang man you're right. Here I was, about to tell you that you're wrong but I'll be damned. You're right. It costs MORE than $85 to afford a Lazer.

 

I guess that makes it ok now.

errr no 6.5Mill in game currency costs that much...the "LAZER" is free if you play the game, to get the lazer quickly without having to steal it, or earn the in game currency over time, you may CHOOSE to buy THAT shark card to cover the FULL cost, you can buy lower ones as a boost OR can not buy any of it and play the game, we can all get by...

 

I beg, stop quoting me, at least other people can understand my basic points...lazer does not cost $85 dollars end of....

 

 

I bet if I look back tho, Irish hunter and co liked all your "funny" posts...

 

A bit hypocritical of you to say considered Ragedandcaged always likes your posts and you take no issue with it since we all know he has so little interest in GTA's future that if GTA 6 could turn into a Strawberry Shortcake game complete with baking minigames, he'd be like "Yeah... sh*t happens."

nah its retaliation, as I raged was dissed for liking my comments, I dont like every single comment of his and neither does he of mine, I like what I happen to see and/ or agree with, I jump from topic to topic, often unfollowing the topics

 

now people are getting dissed for liking posts they agree with? y'all really wanna govern everyone's lives....if people wanna pay for a shark card let em, but I WILL ALWAYS take that over compulsory paid DLC

 

maybe you should read back a little..

Edited December 22, 2017 by LL Cool L

[Giantsgiants]

Out of curiosity, I wonder what people like LL Cool L, Aggregate Demand, etc would say to the Battlefront 2 players complaining about lootboxes and how it takes so long to unlock Darth Vader.

Although I did ask this purely because I was simply curious, come to think of it, one can draw connections with the whole Battlefront debacle and this discussion at hand. It was Battlefront that sparked the uproar against microtransactions in the first place, and I have no doubts that that acted as a catalyst to the uproar regarding this game. Edited December 22, 2017 by Giantsgiants

[Picklez]

"Stop being so entitled!"

 

"You can earn millions just playing normally."

 

"Muh McDonald's."

 

 

 

I beg, stop quoting me, at least other people can understand my basic points...lazer does not cost $85 dollars end of....

Nah. I'll keep quoting your idiotic posts and there's nothing you can do about it lol.

[Pressure Drop]

Still people saying it's easy to make money in this game LOL. SMH. I give up with these people I really do. They are completely blind to what has happened to this game with its pricing structure and just want to defend Rockstar and Take Two NO MATTER WHAT. Guess what, I loved this company for 20 years now, ever since I bought GTA 1 in a huge cardboard box, and have bought and enjoyed every game they produced. 20 years experience with playing their games makes it blatantly obvious that this has turned into a massive money grab that goes beyond "just being a business".
I'm not a noob at the game by any means. I used to make more than enough. I got to level 95 since playing online from DAY 1... and accidently deleted the character. I then made a new character which is currently Level 493. I have thousands of hours in the game. But this is NOT the game it used to be.

And, for the guy who said "I don't think you know what paywall means" - WHAT A JOKE!

I'll tell you what a paywall is
-Having to buy a useless Facility for 1.5 million just to acesss the new heist

-Having to buy a Bunker, MOC, AND weapon workshop just to access the BETTER MK2 Guns... and since they ARE better guns, thats practically pay2win aswell.

-Having to buy the newest supercar or sports car, which is overpriced at least 2 million, and also, saved until LAST deliberately in the drip feed, just to make you spend on other things first, before the forced purchase of the new car which now destroys the rest of the class it is in because it is so fast.

I could go on for many more lines with many more examples, but I think you get the picture. You want to be blind to it because you think you owe the company because you've been a fan such a long time? Or because you want that Rock* follow on twitter or retweet?

Well, let me tell you... I have been a long time fan too... and it f*cking hurts to see what they have turned this into. I can't wait to see RDR2 to see if they are just going to continue down this road or actually listen to us and stop being so greedy.

Don't let them sh*t all over you, the consumer and just take it... actually think about the game now compared to 2013. And please, watch this video by Gypsy, who can explain in better depth than me...

 

Edited December 22, 2017 by Pressure Drop

[HamwithCheese]

Lol "free" again. If the lazer was actually free in game, does that make it "super free"? "Ultra Free"? "Premium Free"?

[RedDagger]

I think it'd be good if everyone tried to be more constructive with their posts... I'm seeing a lot of people going for zingers, which is a fast way to ruin any discussion this thread has left

 

Thanks!

[HamwithCheese]

Stuff in this game is not free. You either pay for it with cash, or time. This is not a hard concept to grasp especially when grinding is the normal process to acquire said "free content".

Edited December 22, 2017 by HamwithCheese

[Giantsgiants]

If the Belgian government gets their way, pretty soon the "microtransactions are optional" excuse will no longer fly.