Why is selling coke so bad compared to every thing else?

[GeorgeCostanzaTheMovie]

This is what I don't get about this game. Why is illegally selling weed, alcohol, drugs, pimping, murdering, kidnapping, protection racketeering, as well as other evil deeds such as burying and innocent person alive in poop and cement and domestic terrorism all ok, but dealing blow? Woah, that's just too far man.

I guess one explanation is they don't want their own members getting addicted, but if they're selling it to OTHERS, what do they care? Business is business, isn't it?

 

Inb4 I get told I'm not allowed to talk about the plot because some places you just don't go to man.

[Steezy.]

If you're referring to the Grove Street Families, Sweet is personally against the usage and distribution of ALL drugs, especially crack cocaine (Weed on the other hand, I'd imagine a different story). The reason why is because it's bad for the streets, and even though they're all criminals, Sweet cares about his hood and he doesn't want his homies to get addicted. (Prime example is Big Bear) Not to mention it'll cause all kinds of problems as well, mostly with the law. Drugs are a very dangerous business, sometimes more so than extortion and regular killing/gang banging. Obviously not everyone agrees with him, since the other Families sets have turned on him, and Big Smoke & Ryder eventually betray him.

 

I'd say it's just that Sweet has a weird moral code where he can kill and Rob and extort, but drugs are his limit. (Kinda like Vic Vance from VCS)

[Official General]

I've always wondered the same thing myself. It was a bit silly for Rockstar to go a bit extreme with that part of the story, because it made Sweet and the Families look like huge living contradictions. It just did not make sense for them to be very much against the trade in hard drugs for reasons to do with morality and good principles - while committing other street crimes, and causing all kinds of reckless violence in their own communities with their murderous gang activities at the same time. I can see what Rockstar were trying to do in creating a distinct character and identity to distinguish the Families and Ballas from each other in the story (good bad gang v bad bad gang scenario), but in my view it was still silly. There should have been a story about rivalry over the crack trade between the gangs, I'd have found that much more interesting and exciting.

@ Steezy

Yeah I agree, I think Rockstar just wrote Sweet to be very different kind of gangsta, still a hardened thug, but one that cared about his community enough to say no to drugs - still a silly idea if you ask me, because he's terrorising the hood with shootouts and drive bys against rival gangs, which in my opinion is way much worse, because people are being killed instantly as a result (even innocents by stray bullets), while drugs is much more of a slow process, and people can still recover from drug addiction and live !

@ Am Shaegar

It is weird for someone like Sweet to be against the crack trade because of morals, because he belongs to a criminal organisation whose primary functioning purpose is engage in illegal activities for financial profit and gain. The main reason in real life why the Bloods and Crips have had deadly gang wars with each other for so long is because of control of the crack trade, so the game should have reflected that, not some far-fetched, near fantasy story about one street gang being morally better than the other at the expense of more money and power.

Edited November 3, 2017 by Official General

[Official General]

@ Am Shaegar

 

Whatever it was, I still thought it was a very stupid take on the script. That family protection theory just don't cut it for me. No matter what explanation is given it, made no sense whatsoever for Sweet to engage in muderous gang violence and other crimes for money, but be totally against the trade in hard drugs, it looked so contradictory. It even felt silly just listening to the anti-crack dialogue between gang members in the cutscenes.

 

But it's only a game, so I can't to be too hard on Rockstar, the story was still very entertaining enough. On top of that you can still roleplay and pretend that the Families are into hard drugs.

[Evil empire]

I think Rockstar found the game would be more interesting with the OGF wanting to destroy their enemies' drug business instead of making their own to make a difference with Vice City and didn't find it necessary to justify Sweet's motivations.

 

Given the hard times the OGF cross during the game we can always assume Sweet thinks it would be hard to find reliable drug suppliers and the drug-selling homies would inexorably become addicted to their dope to forget the gang's problems.

[KingD19]

Weed is acceptable for the families just not crack so I don't understand why R* didn't allow weed smoking for CJ in free roam I would love to just chill at the circle on Grove street and smoke with the homies so since I can't do that I'll go and rob the drug dealer with the white hoodie because he not from ganton and take all what he made that day

[Official General]

Weed is acceptable for the families just not crack so I don't understand why R* didn't allow weed smoking for CJ in free roam I would love to just chill at the circle on Grove street and smoke with the homies so since I can't do that I'll go and rob the drug dealer with the white hoodie because he not from ganton and take all what he made that day

 

That's true, the Families are indeed involved in selling weed several scenes and certain bits of dialogue point to this. They should have at least provided a side mission for CJ to deal in weed, and sell to customers.

 

Actually Rockstar had intended for CJ to smoke weed, but they cut it out at the last moment. There is a mod that actually restores this feature.

[KingD19]

Exactly also crack are suppose to be involved with the other families like temple drive and Seville Boulevard and CJ makes references to smoking in a mission with truth CJ was telling him to put his smoke out and then said "I just don't drive when I'm faded " A lot ideas the scrapped out of gta sa are placed on gta v it's crazy how much more advanced gta sa was suppose to be

[hogei]

cocaine is a hell of a drug.

[SmokesWithCigs]

If you're referring to the Grove Street Families, Sweet is personally against the usage and distribution of ALL drugs, especially crack cocaine (Weed on the other hand, I'd imagine a different story). The reason why is because it's bad for the streets, and even though they're all criminals, Sweet cares about his hood and he doesn't want his homies to get addicted. (Prime example is Big Bear) Not to mention it'll cause all kinds of problems as well, mostly with the law. Drugs are a very dangerous business, sometimes more so than extortion and regular killing/gang banging. Obviously not everyone agrees with him, since the other Families sets have turned on him, and Big Smoke & Ryder eventually betray him.

I'd say it's just that Sweet has a weird moral code where he can kill and Rob and extort, but drugs are his limit. (Kinda like Vic Vance from VCS)

Exactly dealing coke will bring more heat on the crew which is why the mob in most fictional stories never touches the stuff also coke or crack destroys the community as seen throughout various stages of the game like- spoiler(avoid if this is your first time playing and read no further) when Carl comes back tomls and most of the familiesmgang me!here are strung out sitting on the corner in a daze instead of being active.

[Johnny Spaz]

Because he's the black version of Vito Corleone

[Lancerator]

Addicton causes destruction.

 

See, a simple cigarette causes tons of deaths every year, taking out your lungs, imagine crack, a tougher and more addictive drug takes out your not just your whole body but your mind.

 

 

Weed is acceptable for the families just not crack so I don't understand why R* didn't allow weed smoking for CJ in free roam I would love to just chill at the circle on Grove street and smoke with the homies so since I can't do that I'll go and rob the drug dealer with the white hoodie because he not from ganton and take all what he made that day

 

That's true, the Families are indeed involved in selling weed several scenes and certain bits of dialogue point to this. They should have at least provided a side mission for CJ to deal in weed, and sell to customers.

 

Actually Rockstar had intended for CJ to smoke weed, but they cut it out at the last moment. There is a mod that actually restores this feature.

 

Grove Street indeed DO deal with drugs, if you ever go to the game's web you'll find out that OGs are heavily involved in PCP bussines (Ryder as an example).

[Evil empire]

Rockstar already had a lot of controversies with the missions they planned to create with Darkel in GTA 3, the feature they wanted to add to explode the airliners or the hot-coffee feature. I suppose they didn't add any drug-selling feature because they thought they would have to abandon it as well.

[Reameb]

I think its just because drugs bring more problems, not because they where "good", sweet didn't wanted to deal with the consequences of drugs anymore and instead focus on other stuff that would benefit the families. They're criminals ofc,this is GTA.

[lil weasel]

The publishers need a redeeming point for the censors.

[DarrinPA]

Am Shaegar is right. (I haven't posted here in 4 years) I was apart of the group that compiled facts comparing the ACTUAL crack epidemic with the game. Crack ruined lives, rich and poor alike. It caused violence to rule the streets. Even cops became involved. Tenpenny and the rest of the C.R.A.S.H. officers are based on real cops. The Rampart Scandal explains a lot. Gangs avoided selling crack because it drew crooked cops to them, who then want a cut of the profit. (Just like Tenpenny shaking down Big Smoke)

 

Cops were dealing drugs as competitors, gangs can't win against cops. And smart gangs didn't try. In real life Officer Rafael Parez stole almost $1 million of drugs from a evidence room, in an attempt to frame Officer Frank Lyga in retaliation for his crime of killing fellow Officer Kevin Gaines. Officer Gaines is known as Officer Pendleberry in GTA:SA, the cop CJ is framed for killing by Officer Tenpenny.

 

Selling crack was a quick way to get harassed or killed by cops acting like thugs with a badge.

Edited May 17, 2018 by DarrinPA