Quantcast
Jump to content
Search In
  • More options...
Find results that contain...
Find results in...
    1. Welcome to GTAForums! (92,466 visits to this link)

    2. News

    1. GTA Online

      1. Find Lobbies & Players
      2. Guides & Strategies
      3. Vehicles
      4. Content Creator
      5. Help & Support
    2. Crews

      1. Events
      2. Recruitment
    1. Grand Theft Auto Series

    2. GTA Next

    3. GTA V

      1. PC
      2. Guides & Strategies
      3. Help & Support
    4. GTA IV

      1. Episodes from Liberty City
      2. Multiplayer
      3. Guides & Strategies
      4. Help & Support
      5. GTA Mods
    5. GTA Chinatown Wars

    6. GTA Vice City Stories

    7. GTA Liberty City Stories

    8. GTA San Andreas

      1. Guides & Strategies
      2. Help & Support
      3. GTA Mods
    9. GTA Vice City

      1. Guides & Strategies
      2. Help & Support
      3. GTA Mods
    10. GTA III

      1. Guides & Strategies
      2. Help & Support
      3. GTA Mods
    11. Top Down Games

      1. GTA Advance
      2. GTA 2
      3. GTA
    12. Wiki

      1. Merchandising
    1. GTA Modding

      1. GTA V
      2. GTA IV
      3. GTA III, VC & SA
      4. Tutorials
    2. Mod Showroom

      1. Scripts & Plugins
      2. Maps
      3. Total Conversions
      4. Vehicles
      5. Textures
      6. Characters
      7. Tools
      8. Other
      9. Workshop
    3. Featured Mods

      1. DYOM
      2. OpenIV
      3. GTA: Underground
      4. GTA: Liberty City
      5. GTA: State of Liberty
    1. Red Dead Redemption 2

    2. Red Dead Redemption

    3. Rockstar Games

    1. Off-Topic

      1. General Chat
      2. Gaming
      3. Technology
      4. Programming
      5. Movies & TV
      6. Music
      7. Sports
      8. Vehicles
    2. Expression

      1. Graphics / Visual Arts
      2. GFX Requests & Tutorials
      3. Writers' Discussion
      4. Debates & Discussion
    1. Forum Support

    2. Site Suggestions

GeorgeCostanzaTheMovie

Why is selling coke so bad compared to every thing else?

Recommended Posts

GeorgeCostanzaTheMovie

This is what I don't get about this game. Why is illegally selling weed, alcohol, drugs, pimping, murdering, kidnapping, protection racketeering, as well as other evil deeds such as burying and innocent person alive in poop and cement and domestic terrorism all ok, but dealing blow? Woah, that's just too far man.

I guess one explanation is they don't want their own members getting addicted, but if they're selling it to OTHERS, what do they care? Business is business, isn't it?

 

Inb4 I get told I'm not allowed to talk about the plot because some places you just don't go to man.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Steezy.

If you're referring to the Grove Street Families, Sweet is personally against the usage and distribution of ALL drugs, especially crack cocaine (Weed on the other hand, I'd imagine a different story). The reason why is because it's bad for the streets, and even though they're all criminals, Sweet cares about his hood and he doesn't want his homies to get addicted. (Prime example is Big Bear) Not to mention it'll cause all kinds of problems as well, mostly with the law. Drugs are a very dangerous business, sometimes more so than extortion and regular killing/gang banging. Obviously not everyone agrees with him, since the other Families sets have turned on him, and Big Smoke & Ryder eventually betray him.

 

I'd say it's just that Sweet has a weird moral code where he can kill and Rob and extort, but drugs are his limit. (Kinda like Vic Vance from VCS)

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Am Shaegar

I'd say it's just that Sweet has a weird moral code

 

Nope. There's nothing weird about it. If you read - Crack Epidemic 1980, What it was like to be a Los Angeles police officer during the 1980s crack epidemic, then I don't think Sweet has a weird moral code, and his conversation would CLEARLY reflect that sentiment.

SWEET: All they do is sell yay and ruin the place. No crack ever made a gang tight. We just standing by our principles, homie.

If making money is the only motive behind selling drugs, then you can make it from many other illegal activities, but drugs will destroy your family, your life, and your whole future. Its common sense.

In short,

The plot is based on multiple real-life events in Los Angeles, including the rivalry between the Bloods, Crips, and Hispanic street gangs, the 1980s crack epidemic, the LAPD Rampart scandal, and the 1992 Los Angeles riots.

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Official General

I've always wondered the same thing myself. It was a bit silly for Rockstar to go a bit extreme with that part of the story, because it made Sweet and the Families look like huge living contradictions. It just did not make sense for them to be very much against the trade in hard drugs for reasons to do with morality and good principles - while committing other street crimes, and causing all kinds of reckless violence in their own communities with their murderous gang activities at the same time. I can see what Rockstar were trying to do in creating a distinct character and identity to distinguish the Families and Ballas from each other in the story (good bad gang v bad bad gang scenario), but in my view it was still silly. There should have been a story about rivalry over the crack trade between the gangs, I'd have found that much more interesting and exciting.

@ Steezy

Yeah I agree, I think Rockstar just wrote Sweet to be very different kind of gangsta, still a hardened thug, but one that cared about his community enough to say no to drugs - still a silly idea if you ask me, because he's terrorising the hood with shootouts and drive bys against rival gangs, which in my opinion is way much worse, because people are being killed instantly as a result (even innocents by stray bullets), while drugs is much more of a slow process, and people can still recover from drug addiction and live !

@ Am Shaegar

It is weird for someone like Sweet to be against the crack trade because of morals, because he belongs to a criminal organisation whose primary functioning purpose is engage in illegal activities for financial profit and gain. The main reason in real life why the Bloods and Crips have had deadly gang wars with each other for so long is because of control of the crack trade, so the game should have reflected that, not some far-fetched, near fantasy story about one street gang being morally better than the other at the expense of more money and power.

Edited by Official General

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Am Shaegar

It is weird for someone like Sweet to be against the crack trade because of morals, because he belongs to a criminal organisation whose primary functioning purpose is engage in illegal activities for financial profit and gain. The main reason in real life why the Bloods and Crips have had deadly gang wars with each other for so long is because of control of the crack trade, so the game should have reflected that, not some far-fetched, near fantasy story about one street gang being morally better than the other at the expense of more money and power.

 

I am perfectly cool with this.

As always, I am only trying to counter by offering an explanation based on the in-game information available behind the circumstances such as this, and because of which I don't find Sweet's objection "weird".

The way I see the use of the term "principles" by Sweet is not really about morality here. It's about protecting your family, since Sweet had already seen the deaths of his moms, homies, and brother under his leadership, and the influence of the Families began to decline further as Ballas started selling drugs. It's not like they were running in profits from other illegal activities either, otherwise the homies would have already gone out of their way to throw Ballas out of business with all kind of weapons like AK's, etc. The gang was at its decline when Carl returned, so it's not really about money, or morals here, as evident from the conversations in the mission 'Cleaning the hood'. Sweet just wanted to concentrate on protecting his turf from anything that could further weaken the gang and ruin them completely, because, according to him - "No crack ever made a gang tight". This decision even resulted into the split of the Family in various "sets", and dealing in drugs would be playing into the hands of Tenpenny, since that's exactly what he wanted in order to throw Sweet out of power and his influence over the decisions that GSF makes.

When Sweet returns to LS after getting freed from the jail in the mission 'Beat Down on B Dup' we can actually see him smoking crack, because he had seen the hood's condition had worsened so much by the use of drugs already, which further supports his "decision" of staying away from drugs was right.

GSF is all that Swete had in his life, and I don't expect him to make any compromise just for the sake of financial gains, which is exactly why I don't find him "weird" for his decision about not engaging in drugs.

 

I understand what you are saying, but I'm fine with Rockstar's approach to the story, and Sweet's character as well. Had the game featured only LS, then I guess it'd have been not that difficult to include the gang rivalry like Bloods and Crips, since Rockstar wouldn't have to make CJ leave the hood because the story has to take into account multiple cities vs. just one city. At one point in the story development, they were planning to include multiple protagonists, and I guess that would have allowed Rockstar to focus more on gang rivalry in the LS part of the story. I guess due to some creative, or other compulsions the idea of multiple protags couldn't come to fruition.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Official General

@ Am Shaegar

 

Whatever it was, I still thought it was a very stupid take on the script. That family protection theory just don't cut it for me. No matter what explanation is given it, made no sense whatsoever for Sweet to engage in muderous gang violence and other crimes for money, but be totally against the trade in hard drugs, it looked so contradictory. It even felt silly just listening to the anti-crack dialogue between gang members in the cutscenes.

 

But it's only a game, so I can't to be too hard on Rockstar, the story was still very entertaining enough. On top of that you can still roleplay and pretend that the Families are into hard drugs.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Evil empire

I think Rockstar found the game would be more interesting with the OGF wanting to destroy their enemies' drug business instead of making their own to make a difference with Vice City and didn't find it necessary to justify Sweet's motivations.

 

Given the hard times the OGF cross during the game we can always assume Sweet thinks it would be hard to find reliable drug suppliers and the drug-selling homies would inexorably become addicted to their dope to forget the gang's problems.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
KingD19

Weed is acceptable for the families just not crack so I don't understand why R* didn't allow weed smoking for CJ in free roam I would love to just chill at the circle on Grove street and smoke with the homies so since I can't do that I'll go and rob the drug dealer with the white hoodie because he not from ganton and take all what he made that day

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Official General

Weed is acceptable for the families just not crack so I don't understand why R* didn't allow weed smoking for CJ in free roam I would love to just chill at the circle on Grove street and smoke with the homies so since I can't do that I'll go and rob the drug dealer with the white hoodie because he not from ganton and take all what he made that day

 

That's true, the Families are indeed involved in selling weed several scenes and certain bits of dialogue point to this. They should have at least provided a side mission for CJ to deal in weed, and sell to customers.

 

Actually Rockstar had intended for CJ to smoke weed, but they cut it out at the last moment. There is a mod that actually restores this feature.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
KingD19

Exactly also crack are suppose to be involved with the other families like temple drive and Seville Boulevard and CJ makes references to smoking in a mission with truth CJ was telling him to put his smoke out and then said "I just don't drive when I'm faded " A lot ideas the scrapped out of gta sa are placed on gta v it's crazy how much more advanced gta sa was suppose to be

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
hogei

cocaine is a hell of a drug.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
SmokesWithCigs

If you're referring to the Grove Street Families, Sweet is personally against the usage and distribution of ALL drugs, especially crack cocaine (Weed on the other hand, I'd imagine a different story). The reason why is because it's bad for the streets, and even though they're all criminals, Sweet cares about his hood and he doesn't want his homies to get addicted. (Prime example is Big Bear) Not to mention it'll cause all kinds of problems as well, mostly with the law. Drugs are a very dangerous business, sometimes more so than extortion and regular killing/gang banging. Obviously not everyone agrees with him, since the other Families sets have turned on him, and Big Smoke & Ryder eventually betray him.

I'd say it's just that Sweet has a weird moral code where he can kill and Rob and extort, but drugs are his limit. (Kinda like Vic Vance from VCS)

Exactly dealing coke will bring more heat on the crew which is why the mob in most fictional stories never touches the stuff also coke or crack destroys the community as seen throughout various stages of the game like- spoiler(avoid if this is your first time playing and read no further) when Carl comes back tomls and most of the familiesmgang me!here are strung out sitting on the corner in a daze instead of being active.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Johnny Spaz

Because he's the black version of Vito Corleone

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
SMACKED!

Addicton causes destruction.

 

See, a simple cigarette causes tons of deaths every year, taking out your lungs, imagine crack, a tougher and more addictive drug takes out your not just your whole body but your mind.

 

 

Weed is acceptable for the families just not crack so I don't understand why R* didn't allow weed smoking for CJ in free roam I would love to just chill at the circle on Grove street and smoke with the homies so since I can't do that I'll go and rob the drug dealer with the white hoodie because he not from ganton and take all what he made that day

 

That's true, the Families are indeed involved in selling weed several scenes and certain bits of dialogue point to this. They should have at least provided a side mission for CJ to deal in weed, and sell to customers.

 

Actually Rockstar had intended for CJ to smoke weed, but they cut it out at the last moment. There is a mod that actually restores this feature.

 

Grove Street indeed DO deal with drugs, if you ever go to the game's web you'll find out that OGs are heavily involved in PCP bussines (Ryder as an example).

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Evil empire

Rockstar already had a lot of controversies with the missions they planned to create with Darkel in GTA 3, the feature they wanted to add to explode the airliners or the hot-coffee feature. I suppose they didn't add any drug-selling feature because they thought they would have to abandon it as well.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Reameb

I think its just because drugs bring more problems, not because they where "good", sweet didn't wanted to deal with the consequences of drugs anymore and instead focus on other stuff that would benefit the families. They're criminals ofc,this is GTA.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
lil weasel

The publishers need a redeeming point for the censors.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
DarrinPA
Posted (edited)

Am Shaegar is right. (I haven't posted here in 4 years) I was apart of the group that compiled facts comparing the ACTUAL crack epidemic with the game. Crack ruined lives, rich and poor alike. It caused violence to rule the streets. Even cops became involved. Tenpenny and the rest of the C.R.A.S.H. officers are based on real cops. The Rampart Scandal explains a lot. Gangs avoided selling crack because it drew crooked cops to them, who then want a cut of the profit. (Just like Tenpenny shaking down Big Smoke)

 

Cops were dealing drugs as competitors, gangs can't win against cops. And smart gangs didn't try. In real life Officer Rafael Parez stole almost $1 million of drugs from a evidence room, in an attempt to frame Officer Frank Lyga in retaliation for his crime of killing fellow Officer Kevin Gaines. Officer Gaines is known as Officer Pendleberry in GTA:SA, the cop CJ is framed for killing by Officer Tenpenny.

 

Selling crack was a quick way to get harassed or killed by cops acting like thugs with a badge.

Edited by DarrinPA

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now

  • 1 User Currently Viewing
    0 members, 0 Anonymous, 1 Guest

×

Important Information

By using GTAForums.com, you agree to our Terms of Use and Privacy Policy.