The 2017 Anti coward-grief pack

[Fight for freedom]

Playing GTAO since 2013 I've already seen, like lots of people in here, all varieties of incredibly fun stuff being used to do basically everything; mess with your friends, fight hostile/ random players and.. to grief.

 

It is an aspect that was in the game since day one, back in the day in a more innocent way, given the tools we had. Now on current gen, the freeroam businesses were added. They gave us the ability to make money in different types of ways and different criminal deals that could be done in public session and then more stuff started being added and, mainly recently, everything started getting weirder and weirder and now, griefing-wise, it went out of control.

 

I've made a list of stuff that could be done possibly done about it:

 

1º: Remove Explosive rounds from the hydra and P-996 lazer (this one too, because it's soon gonna be also avaliable to buy). It is incredibly easy, right? Just look at the radar, see someone delivering cargo, guns, mc product; straight spend 200 bucks, call the hydra, fly over there and, with almost INEXISTENT effort or chance to be touched, destroy hours of other people's gameplay.

 

2º Remove Explosive Sniper: This one is just unbelievable. You don't even need to get to the specific location, just look ad the map, get an extremely little close to where the guys are at that moment delivering the goods, hit their vehicle two/ three times with it and boom, there goes again, hours of other player's gameplay.
Getting a little off topic now, the explosive rounds made gameplay worse not only because it increased the grief, but because it also screwed what was left on PVP. Now while fighting a guy quarters away from you, he's able to shoot, hit 2 meters away from your feet and still kill you.

 

3º Nerf the oppressor's missile system: This one, like the other two, easy grief. See people delivering stuff, call it in your feet, go there, kill them with a little chance to be killed due to its huge speed while flying and fast missiles and then that's it, grind destroyed.

 

It is important to understand that the whole goal with the petition (see in the poll) in this hypothetical scenario wouldn't be to completely remove grief, just to make it more difficult for the coward-griefers to easily screw other people up.

There would still be lots of other stuff that could be used to grief, like planes, helis, armored vehicles and that's the point. Go there. Use it. It could result in some actual fun PVP for a change.

 

And no, as I've already seen in other threads people bringing this up when griefing was criticized: No, we don't want players to have an easy time and see everything going extremely well while delivering their stuff. If fact, we want griefers to have some kind of challenge while doing what they do, because now they have none.

 

Give your insights below and don't forget to vote on the poll. Thanks for reading until now.

 

EDIT: The poll question isn't regarding to your guys' take on the likelihood of them making it or not, but if you would support it.

Edited October 25, 2017 by Fight for freedom

[.Diana McFarland.]

Won't happen.

 

Alot of people actually like and use everything listed here.

 

including myself

[Guest]

It won't happen.

 

We've already got the Vigilante coming in a week anyway.

[HaIfricanHammer]

Sounds like Evolution just passed you by....

[REXX]

Voted no.

 

Even if all of this were removed, griefers would just go to the next best thing.

 

Not all of us grief so removing explosive rounds would also affect us PvEers.

[Jimmy]

I don't see this being included TBH. Griefers will always find some alternative. I expect a lot of people raging about the Explosive Sniper. It's fun and won't be removed anytime soon.

[xXxKAMIKAZExXx]

As much as I love using the fightet jets to completely annihilate all the cars on the freeways, I agree that they should remove the explosive rounds, or at the very least make them similar to the Rogue's explosive MGs. This gives pilots more of a challenge and helps those players on the ground. These are fighter jets after all, not combat jets or attack helicopters. But hey, just my thoughts.

[elfoam]

All those things you listed stop ground f*ckers with Marksman rifles. No matter how much you might dislike a Hydra cannon or Oppressor or the explosive sniper those f*ckers with the marksmen and ground rollers need to die. So no.

 

P.S I would totally agree with the Lazer and Hydra having the cannons reduced to a suitable amount of explosives as per the new planes. That should certainly happen.

Edited October 20, 2017 by elfoam

[MostlyPonies]

Back when the only option to get a jet was to keep stealing from Zancudo, I'd say it was a fair balance. Interesting to note that people still complained the same amount about jet griefers back then. Being able to own a tank was also fair, since it was a slow, obvious blip on the map, easy to avoid.

Two things that could help balance the game would be to first, lock homing launchers and proxy mines behind a high rank, and second, to have military vehicles be available to pick up only at Zancudo. However, the latter would only work if gunrunning missions were allowed in private sessions, as it wouldn't be fair to players doing those missions in public lobbies to have to pick up vehicles from Zancudo only to be ambushed by others. I don't see the game as irreversibly unbalanced, but I doubt Rockstar will take the right steps to balance it.

[Picklez]

I'd sign it, sure. Not like C* would do anything about it though since it helps their bottom line.

[_47_]

No. The game is 4 years old. Too little too late to remove anything.

[flexcreator]

Sorry, but this petition will change nothing.

Remove explosive rounds, explosive sniper and Oppressor missles and you will still complain about Insurgents with sticky bombs, Homing launchers, etc.

After all, the most dangerous thing in the world is human mind. Griefers will grief no matter what tools you leave them.

Instead, they should counterbalance the sale missions, give you more tools to save the product, provide you with the in-game actions that will hide the sale blips for a limited period of time. Reward lobbies for saving the product of the rival organization (like if you killed the griefer, you can demand the cut)

[Pedinhuh]

I would sign this but it is useless now.

 

Actually my biggest gripe with this game is how explosive firepower is so easily accessible in general.

 

Sticky bombs and land mines ruined car chases.

 

Homing rocket launchers ruined helicopters.

 

Explosive cannons from jets ruined everything for everyone on ground.

 

Explosive cannons also ruined dogfights.

 

RPG ruined all firefights.

 

Explosive rounds ruins almost everyone.

 

Rhino tank and APC ruined on foot players.

 

Oppressors ruined car chases.

 

I hope in the next game explosives aren't so easily accessible in gun shops and that armed vehicles comes with limited ammo as it doesn't make sense for us to have limited ammo on foot but not on vehicles.

[Lupo-Akane]

I would sign this but it is useless now.

 

Actually my biggest gripe with this game is how explosive firepower is so easily accessible in general.

 

Sticky bombs and land mines ruined car chases.

 

Homing rocket launchers ruined helicopters.

 

Explosive cannons from jets ruined everything for everyone on ground.

 

Explosive cannons also ruined dogfights.

 

RPG ruined all firefights.

 

Explosive rounds ruins almost everyone.

 

Rhino tank and APC ruined on foot players.

 

Oppressors ruined car chases.

 

I hope in the next game explosives aren't so easily accessible in gun shops and that armed vehicles comes with limited ammo as it doesn't make sense for us to have limited ammo on foot but not on vehicles.

I don't see why they did not just add limited ammo for weapons...

 

We carry way to much, it just ruins the fun.

[Sky_Light12]

 

i couldn't enjoy the carnage in free mode if most those were removed

 

1.i suppose a simple solution like that people just need to find a new session

2.i heard some competitive instead fond of explosive sniper as solution of marksman sniper

3.the oppressor is only part i've agree with you but unfortunately it was all too late

[Fight for freedom]

 

Sorry, but this petition will change nothing.

Remove explosive rounds, explosive sniper and Oppressor missles and you will still complain about Insurgents with sticky bombs, Homing launchers, etc.

Quoting what I've said in the main post.

 

''the whole goal with the petition in this hypothetical scenario, wouldn't be to completely remove grief, just to make it more difficult for the coward-griefers to easily screw other people up.''

 

That's the whole point. Go there. Try to go after other people using sticky bombs, the Insurgent, ruiner 2k. This could make a better PVP, because it would require a actual strategy from grifers, as well as from the guys delivering, because now there's almost nothing they can do.

Edited October 20, 2017 by Fight for freedom

[Yellow Dog with Cone]

I don't see why they did not just add limited ammo for weapons...

 

We carry way to much, it just ruins the fun.

Not only that, we can just buy more ammo from outta knowhere and spam explosives at nauseam.

 

Also, do we really need like 9,000 rounds for every weapon?

[secrecy274]

Signed yes, mostly because I feel we wouldn't actually lose anything by removing them, but gain a whole lot.

[DrSweatySphincter]

I'm a terrorist so...

 

Granted I think both the boom rifle and oppressor are a mistake but we wouldn't be having this conversation if Rockstar made all the AA's actual jet killers. Are the Jets cannons OP? Of course they are, but they won't be doing anything about that since they don't a thing about balance. Things will only get worse when the Hunter comes along

[Nihilist.]

The game is broken too deeply to even assume couple of changes would fix it. Griefers would still exist, and use anything not banned, like you know, dozen of planes introduced in the last update, maybe? Or weaponized land vehicles from the last one?

 

Sniper rifle is OP, there's no denying on that, and so is Hydra for regular, average players, but the only way to fix everything would be to fundamentally change the nature of GTA Online, and rewrite i from the scratch in order to reballance it. It still can be fun and provide hundreds of hours of gameplay, but let's be real here - after 4 years since its release, it's not going to be improved. R* releases new DLCs one after another like bricks - every single one of them being self contained, so don't expect actual fixes to its already broken ballance.

That being said, GTA Online has no future in the long run (not meaning it's going to die off - all I say in the best case scenario it's going to serve as a testing ground, and we're just lab rats, or beta testers at this point) - it'll be replaced one day, and hopefully R* learns from all the mistakes they've made, and flaws it has, to create a better, more stable, ballanced and secure successor for it.

 

tl;dr - whatever you nerf, griefers will use the best not banned thing. And as for fixes, don't expect them - the game is too broken and would have to be rewritten from the scratch o actually reballance everything.

[Fight for freedom]

I'm a terrorist so...

 

Granted I think both the boom rifle and oppressor are a mistake but we wouldn't be having this conversation if Rockstar made all the AA's actual jet killers. Are the Jets cannons OP? Of course they are, but they won't be doing anything about that since they don't a thing about balance. Things will only get worse when the Hunter comes along

It's kind of OP, due to the explosive cannons operated by the second player. But at least it doesn't have the speed of a jet.

[Sanches]

Mod menu is the best anti coward-grief pack.


( ͡~ ͜ʖ ͡°)

[DrSweatySphincter]

 

I'm a terrorist so...

 

Granted I think both the boom rifle and oppressor are a mistake but we wouldn't be having this conversation if Rockstar made all the AA's actual jet killers. Are the Jets cannons OP? Of course they are, but they won't be doing anything about that since they don't a thing about balance. Things will only get worse when the Hunter comes along

It's kind of OP, due to the explosive cannons operated by the second player. But at least it doesn't have the speed of a jet.

 

They could make the jets much faster like the Hydra we saw in the very first trailer of GTA V. The jets right now move like snails compared to that shot.

[Lonely-Martin]

I would support a really substantial petition, but, with full respect, as I agree things are just too easy as it is for all manor of crap, grief, or competition as they prefer to call it... Lol... 'competition'... Anyway...

 

Balance, choice, creative additions, with stories and narrative too, a DLC full of bug and glitch fixes, regular maintenence like old gen used to have and stuff like that... But before I do support anything like this, It'd have to be a joint effort with a real desire and fair things to ask for...

 

IMO, offering peaceful lobbies, would completely negate the need to buff/nerf things... Players can choose, and those that choose not to do the newer businesses won't be hampered by those that do... But that's the tip of the iceberg with my thoughts and many have their interpretations too... I don't want every change mentioned everywhere, just a select few of the, what I feel are, is the more important things to help the most players possible to return/renew their love...

 

Another chap pointed out at the time, that I gave less credit for back then, but upon reflection, he's right... Not only would something have to be well thought out, fair, and presented the right way, but it would also have to be appealing to R*/T2 too... Possibly financially even... And of course, there'd have to be a pre-petition period to get a real broad idea of all the good and bad ideas as to what the general crowd wants... Stuff that, in my opinion, with this game/developer, it would all be in vain... It's just too late dude...

 

Especially this far in... I'd be more incline to think of doing something to stop future releases going a similar way... But that's again me just thinking of me here, as I want a new GTA, lol...

 

For me, RDR2 may hold answers as to the forward direction R* wish to enforce, I do give this game a pass too, yeah, I'm disappointed, but the game got so big and popular that I feel it all just got out of control and things will be better balanced, certainly be harder to cheat I'd imagine and such... But for me, petitioning now for GTA V/O seems a lost cause as I'm going over to RDR2 as soon as it's released too, if that game improves on the last, I ain't quitting it too soon either, by then, GTA will be a distant memory...

 

TL:DR... Not for this game would I, but to prevent future GTA/R* games getting so loose, if it's well run/fair... I'd be in support.

[joel15cat]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

 

[Fight for freedom]

The game is broken too deeply to even assume couple of changes would fix it. Griefers would still exist, and use anything not banned, like you know, dozen of planes introduced in the last update, maybe? Or weaponized land vehicles from the last one?

 

Sniper rifle is OP, there's no denying on that, and so is Hydra for regular, average players, but the only way to fix everything would be to fundamentally change the nature of GTA Online, and rewrite i from the scratch in order to reballance it. It still can be fun and provide hundreds of hours of gameplay, but let's be real here - after 4 years since its release, it's not going to be improved. R* releases new DLCs one after another like bricks - every single one of them being self contained, so don't expect actual fixes to its already broken ballance.

That being said, GTA Online has no future in the long run (not meaning it's going to die off - all I say in the best case scenario it's going to serve as a testing ground, and we're just lab rats, or beta testers at this point) - it'll be replaced one day, and hopefully R* learns from all the mistakes they've made, and flaws it has, to create a better, more stable, ballanced and secure successor for it.

 

tl;dr - whatever you nerf, griefers will use the best not banned thing. And as for fixes, don't expect them - the game is too broken and would have to be rewritten from the scratch o actually reballance everything.

I guess you guys are missing the point of the text;

 

What you said in the begining of your last sentence is exactly what I proposed.

 

Use the other stuff in the game!

 

After the 3º item, I left clear that the point ISN'T TO END GRIEF, but to make the coward-griefing provided by these 3 specific items, a harder thing to do.

Edited October 20, 2017 by Fight for freedom

[hugh750]

i voted yes since i'm tired of being attacked by oppressor riding griefers.

[Yellow Dog with Cone]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

 

See all those people?

 

None of them are exploding because of the jet's rounds.

 

This is how it should been since the beginning.

[livejoker]

Voted no.

Let's see plainly why Rockstar would never in a million years agree to this. Petition to add bikes or tuners? Dead easy, fans want something and Rockstar know they can make a buck on it. Cue a few months of work and then they reap in those sweet monies. Removing anything? Maybe. It depends what. Removing an ability to go off the radar (for example) I could see it happen at some point. Removing a game asset that directly fuels the growth of GTA such as a Hydra or Oppressor? Definitely not.

For the sake of argument let's pretend that Rockstar see this magical petition and agree that GTA is a grief war. They're suddenly feeling sympathetic about us. So Rockstar removes explosive ammo, flying bikes and most weapons on the deadliest vehicles in-game. REXX hit it on the head in that griefers can't be limited or contained. A prime example is the firetruck. What do you do when someone griefs you? You go in Passive Mode and rightfully so. Can't be run over, can't be shot, can't be griefed. Now roll in a firetruck and that water becomes the deadliest thing ever as you're unable to fight back. They had to patch it cause griefers were using it. Now Rockstar with the Oppressor and explosive ammo are willingly giving griefers tools to be dicks. Let's be honest, no one uses the Oppressor or explosive ammo in missions or against AI. They may but the real usage comes from PvP in freeroam. We all know that.

No petition or wishful thinking will make the GTA:O that we want. We're given a version no one asked but most use.

*edit*
Funny that you replied about griefers using different tools to grief rather than reduce the griefing. Why not have a petition to (as unlikely, I know) introduce server options. GTA IV and RDR had it. Add in an option to remove friendly fire. Griefing can and will be still present, just much harder to do. Throw in the fact that these game modes encourage players to band up and fight the AI (cops). If we're getting wishful I think a better wish would be to have server options.

Edited October 20, 2017 by livejoker

[DrSweatySphincter]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

 

They should recreate a cutscene like this in some PvE oriented dlc