Harvey Weinstein fired from Weinstein Co.

[El Dildo]

Weinstein was given the axe by his own brother from the company they co-founded together, marking a huge shakeup in Hollywood, and basically the end of an era for the film industry. according to legend, Harvey has been thanked "more often than god" in Oscar acceptance speeches. he's produced many of the most successful films of all time.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/08/business/harvey-weinstein-fired.html

 

for those not keeping track... numerous actresses and agents have begun coming forward and speaking out about some pretty disturbing acts of sexual assault and bribery from the man in question. apparently the cover-up has been going on for a long time. he's been trying to pay women off to keep them quiet but it's finally caught up with him.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/05/us/harvey-weinstein-harassment-allegations.html

Edited October 9, 2017 by El Diablo

[Mister Pink]

I've been kind of following this story. I think it's just good PR for him to be fired or the only PR job they could do. I think he'll be a silent partner and still have some sway with his brother about which films they will or wont produce.

 

Also, regarding the things he's alleged to have done. That's pretty bad. Unfortunately, I think that's probably more common than not. I'm kind of shocked but not surprised. Certainly wont put me off supporting the films they produced. There's so many people down the chain that don't deserve and possible backlash.

[El Dildo]

his wife just announced that she's leaving his ass...

 

http://people.com/movies/harvey-weinstein-wife-georgina-chapman-separating/

[Tchuck]

Makes you wonder if they're firing/leaving him because of the stuff he has done, or because now we all know of the stuff he has done...

[Lock n' Stock]

He's produced some brilliant f*cking movies, shame about him being a nonce. Seems like they're all coming out of the woodwork these days.

[rtie]

Makes you wonder if they're firing/leaving him because of the stuff he has done, or because now we all know of the stuff he has done...

 

The latter I imagine. Since he holds no leverage in Hollywood or a lot less at least, he has no use to these people.

[El Dildo]

well, this is unfortunate.

they actually have him on tape harassing a model.

 

 

In an audio recording captured during a New York Police Department sting operation in 2015 and made public here for the first time, Weinstein admits to groping a Filipina-Italian model named Ambra Battilana Gutierrez, describing it as behavior he is “used to.”

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZYGn41Z_ak

 

https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/from-aggressive-overtures-to-sexual-assault-harvey-weinsteins-accusers-tell-their-stories

[Tchuck]

Ho ho ho boy talk about a smoking gun of sorts.Sucks that they couldn't do anything then, but at least they're able to do it now.

[El Dildo]

He's in deep sh*t.

it would certainly seem so.

however the whole issue of sexual oppression is still a disturbing reality.

 

the crimes are already committed. perhaps countless in number.

the damage is already done. he's already an elderly statesman who's lived a filthy rich privileged life. surrounded by the men (and women) who enabled him by turning the other cheek and/or doing nothing. you don't commit so many heinous acts alone in a vacuum. from lawyers and staffers and casting directors to other people around the industry. he had help in covering this up.

 

people have publicly talked about it in the past.

like at awards shows, male actors and announcers used to make jokes about female actors. it would be something like "oh congratulations on winning Best Actress, now you're finally free of pretending that you have to love Harvey Weinstein!" which could be an innocent enough joke about how powerful he is. because people would seek his favor. but it also makes you wonder what people knew and didn't have the courage to speak up about. there were obviously many more involved in this crap who aided him or stood by him while he assaulted these women.

[Typhus]

Makes you wonder if they're firing/leaving him because of the stuff he has done, or because now we all know of the stuff he has done...

Celebrities look out for their own, even if they do the most appalling things. There's a video on YouTube, for example, of British TV stars making numerous joking references to Jimmy Saville's pedophilia long before it was public knowledge, but no one ever stopped him. And at the Oscars, a whole room of people gave Roman Polanski a standing ovation, as if he was a f*cking political prisoner or something.

Their wealth and fame seems to insulate them from the consequences of their actions, to the point where their entire moral values system seems alien to us.

[Spaghetti Cat]

...except these same celebrity types are more than happy to tell me how to live my life. Hopefully this cult of celebrity is on the wane.

 

Speaking of which, anybody going to see the new Buttman movie?

 

[El Dildo]

Hopefully this cult of celebrity is on the wane.

celebrity- and money-worship is going to be the death of our society.

[feckyerlife]

...except these same celebrity types are more than happy to tell me how to live my life. Hopefully this cult of celebrity is on the wane.

 

Speaking of which, anybody going to see the new Buttman movie?

 

LOL the buttman ones are good, i guess Affleck is the next one to get it

 

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/ben-affleck-dubbed-apos-buttman-072850822.html

[El Dildo]

yeah Matt Damon already made the rounds in order to clear his own name, about allegedly covering for Harvey, and his explanation is entirely believable. but the revelations about Ben Affleck are troubling to say the least. makes you curious how deep the rabbit hole goes.

 

https://www.boston.com/culture/entertainment/2017/10/12/what-to-know-about-the-harvey-weinstein-scandal-the-ben-affleck-allegations-and-how-matt-damon-fits-in

Edited October 12, 2017 by El Diablo

[UshaB]

I've read about 29 stories from 29 accusers, some famous, some intend to remain unknown. One occurring theme seems to appear, he invites them to his hotel for an, "audition" or something similar.

 

Abusing his power in such a way like that, being able to get away with that is completely disgusting. That's a cruel industry to be in.

[Tchuck]

 

 

Abusing his power in such a way like that, being able to get away with that is completely disgusting. That's a cruel industry world to be in.

 

Fixed it for you. You can bet this kind of thing isn't exclusive to this industry, and happens anywhere where there's an unbalance of power at play.

 

Hollywood is just the most visible, as no-one cares if a small company owner harasses his secretaries.

[highspeed]

It's such a shame, more than anything else, that it seems like so many people knew about this, and yet no spoke up when it mattered. I'm sure money and a power play came into it all within the Hollywood business, but still. If something like this is happening, and you know about it, speak up!

 

One newsreader over here said that if she was in the situation (hypothetically), she wouldn't speak up in fear of losing the movie role, and the money that comes with it. For f*ck sake, life has to be more about money and fame, surely?

 

He's getting everything that is coming to him, for sure. I bet we will see a lot more people and stories come forth over time.

Edited October 13, 2017 by highspeed

[Tchuck]

Ohhh boy, apparently his contract had a clause that did not allow him to be fired in case of a sexual harassment suit.

 

If such an occasion took place, all he'd have to do is pay a fine to the company after settling the lawsuit, and he'd be ah-ok.

 

How f*cked up is that?!

[Mr. Scratch]

Why you gotta be like that Benji?

[El Dildo]

Hollywood is a sick place, apparently.

there are clearly so many people who knew about this but said nothing.

 

http://www.latimes.com/business/hollywood/la-fi-ct-weinstein-employees-20171014-story.html

 

where does it start and where will it end?

they're going to throw Harvey under the bus - which he deserves - but at the cost of ignoring the other people involved. there is obviously a culture of abuse and predators in the upper levels of showbusiness and it's being largely swept under the rug. I'm afraid they'll use Harvey as a scapegoat now to avoid the bigger picture. Harvey is the tip of the iceberg. let's not forget that so many of the people coming out against him have also had no problems working with Roman Polanski or Woody Allen; 2 other men that are clearly guilty of sexual assault and rape yet enjoy industry success.

 

everyone seems to have a story, all of a sudden.

but no one said anything.

 

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/bob-weinstein-gets-emotional-depraved-harvey-saving-company-his-waking-nightmare-1048905

 

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41623637

Edited October 14, 2017 by El Diablo

[Creed Bratton]

He was a powerful figure in Hollywood. You'd need strong evidence to go after someone like him because he had the ability to ruin people's careers and their lives without much effort. That's probably why guys like him get away with this stuff for so long.

 

 

Anyways, apparently Ben Affleck is a groper. He could be the next president then!

[Mister Pink]

He was a powerful figure in Hollywood. You'd need strong evidence to go after someone like him because he had the ability to ruin people's careers and their lives without much effort. That's probably why guys like him get away with this stuff for so long.

 

 

Anyways, apparently Ben Affleck is a groper. He could be the next president then!

 

Yeah, I don't blame anyone for not speaking up sooner. I mean everyone has their own struggles and is trying to make it in the game. Calling someone out may get you social justice points but you might be blacklisted with casting agents, given you were an actor or actress. It wouldn't leave with much other than a sense of "doing the right thing" which aint going to pay the bills. That's not to say people shouldn't speak out. I can just empathize why others in the know stayed quiet.

 

And Ben Affleck makes me laugh. A few times he's tried to push this narrative of him being this virtuous, nice guy. He even tried to suppress information of one of his ancestors being a slave-owner for that show, Finding Your Roots. At the same time he was happy to claim lineage from Revolutionary War ancestor and his mother marching for civil rights. Lets not forget his appearance on

with Bill Maher and Sam Harris.

 

His Tweet:

 

 

"I believe that any kind of mistreatment of anyone for any reason is unacceptable and abhorrent, and everyone deserves to be treated with respect in the workplace and anywhere else. There is really nothing I can do about it other than live my life the way I know I live it and to speak to what my own values are and how I try to live by them."

 

Notice it's pretty much about him. "I believe.." "Nothing I can do.." "live my life the way I know I live it" "my own values" "how I try live by them." He's an egoist, not surprising, he's an actor and I hate to use this term as it's overused but it's just a classic case of him virtue-signalling and it's backfired on him...again! Like I said, it's all about him. I like him as an actor and even director but every time he opens his gob about non-film related things, I find it harder to like him as a person.

[Shyabang Shyabang]

 

 

[El Dildo]

I'm not sure who is more at fault; Harvey himself for behaving like a beast or the people around him who knew exactly what was going on and - if not outright protecting him - did nothing about it. obviously a pig is a pig is a pig, but that pig can only get as dirty as the farmer allows.

 

nobody had the balls to stand up to this piece of sh/t because they were all more concerned with their money and their connections and their personal film projects than protecting basic human dignity. and this is coming from the group of people who pretend they're better than the rest of us. who, through their films, try to preach to us about the proper way to go about our lives.

 

Hollywood is as scuzzy and shady and perverse as Capitol Hill.

 

 

 

 

 

everyone knew!

 

 

Edited October 18, 2017 by El Diablo

[Tchuck]

All this whole ordeal shows is that Weinstein lost his usefulness to the powers that be. They all tolerated it while it was to their benefit, and decided to "throw him under the bus" when they could benefit from it more. And they did.

 

This won't change sh*t. We'll get some nice hashtags out of it, we'll get some passionate speeches, we'll get hypocrites condemning it all, we'll get people vowing for change. And then the status quo will return once it all blows over, like it inevitably will.

[rtie]

A very open secret in Hollyweird. It's gross seeing "in the know" actors/actresses professing they knew nothing.

 

[UshaB]

Quentin Tarantino on the subject matter admitting he knew enough to do more than he did;

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/19/movies/tarantino-weinstein.html

[El Dildo]

yeah I obviously love his work, but I'm pretty disappointed in Tarantino.

 

but it just reinforces my original concerns.

look at all of these people who knew exactly what was going on but were too afraid to rock the boat. it's amazing the power of money and it's ability to corrupt. it's not surprising but it's so utterly sad and depressing. their millions of dollars is worth more than the abuse and ruined lives of individuals.

 

this is really my biggest fear.

This won't change sh*t. We'll get some nice hashtags out of it, we'll get some passionate speeches, we'll get hypocrites condemning it all, we'll get people vowing for change. And then the status quo will return once it all blows over, like it inevitably will.

quoted for truth.

Edited October 22, 2017 by El Diablo

[Mister Pink]

Again, I'm still empathetic to filmmakers that didn't do act on the the snippets of information. I mean when it's some hearsay, rumours, maybe even people you know telling you they had direct experiences, you still have to be armed to the teeth with evidence because just the mere accusation of something like this can ruin the accused's career, innocent or not. Not to mention the knock-on implications it may have on not only the alleged offender but their family and also professionals you may know too.

 

I haven't read the whole Tarantino article but I'll speculate a little if you don't mind. Say for Tarantino knows 2 or 3 people looking to fun their next projects from Weinstein bros or they all ready are, when do you chose your time to go accussing people and what evidence do you have? Also for Tarantino or any filmmaker, making it in the industry like Tarantino is like 1 in 10 million chance. Maybe more. I just pulled those odds out of my arse but you know yourselves.

 

No matter how established you are as a filmmaker you never know if or how the next project is going to get funding. In Tarantino's case, one might think that Weinsteins alleged behaviour and I do say alleged because for Tarantino at the time that's all it would have really been as it's only after the expose we know the depth of it, was deplorable but maybe not as bad as we know now. Stories floating around the Hollywood circuit is what they would have been to anyone that was accused of "being in the know. "

 

What I'm really saying is now that we have the full picture, all the accusers, and the seriousness of the offenses and the regularity of them, it's easy for us, in hindsight to point the finger and say "X" should have done something. I think it's more complicated than that.

 

One may argue that we're all responsible to stop this stuff and in some respects we are and I think most people wouldn't care for this behaviour to begin with. However, if Tarantino was to get the ball rolling on this, he would be gambling his whole career and friendship with Weinstein for something he may or may not have done. Because what guarantee would Tarantino or one of the other people who allegedly knew have that others would follow suite and come out against him? The evidence would need to be there too. Otherwise what is to stop anyone with a grudge coming out and accusing anyone of such heinous crimes. Like I said, the mere accusation of such offenses and destroy a career.

 

I think it's easy to accuse people of being too afraid to rock the boat but when you put yourself in the situation, there's no handbook for this, people will support you and people will try hush you. There's a gamble on your own career and I'm speculating but I'm sure there's an element of hope that the issues would resolve some other way than you having to put your own career on the line for crimes committed by someone else.

 

They also say the more witnesses to a crime the less likely we are to help a victim. Could that be rephrased from "help a victim" to "Out a predator? " I think so. Could this be applied to this case? I don't know but I think there's something to it.

 

"Diffusion of Responsibility: Even if people recognize that they are witnessing a crime, they may still fail to intervene if they do not take personal responsibility for helping the victim. The problem is that the more bystanders there are, the less responsible each individual feels."

 

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-social-thinker/200911/why-don-t-we-help-less-is-more-least-when-it-comes-bystanders

Edited October 22, 2017 by Mister Pink

[Leftist Bastard]

yeah people piling on different celebs/actors/directors/etc like they'd have been brave heroes in their shoes is laughable. The whole ''Weinstein is god'' thing was not a joke - the guy had a ton of power and a ton of reach. He could very well sink careers - does that justify people not speaking up when they knew something was up? no not really but it's not so black and white; the internet loves a good high horse to jump on esp. when it concerns successful folk/public icons.