59 Dead and 500+ injured in Las Vegas shooting

[make total destroy]

you gotta understand most of the 559 injured are more likely from being trampled than being shot.

 

 

Nah, the vast majority of injuries were from gunshots. This guy fired multiple modified ARs--which can fire 9 rounds a second--into a crowd of 22,000 people off and on for like 10 minutes. That's plenty of time to kill and injure hundreds of people.

 

 

 

According to this girl's live video on FB - https://www.facebook.com/rseidenfeld/videos/10210848093023337/

 

Shots were being fired into the Bellagio lobby.

 

 

Where's the evidence that shots were fired into the Bellagio lobby?

 

Anyone know about the 4chan user "john" who predicted the attack on Las Vegas? Check this out. Dude said the attack was meant to happen "tomorrow" a week before the attack. Turns out the attacker had tried to rent a place near ANOTHER festival that week, but had failed due to everything being booked.

 

http://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/143769972/anon-jon-predicted-vegas-attack

>trusting 4chan as a legitimate source for anything

[make total destroy]

I like how there's all these elaborate conspiracy theories attempting to make sense of--or in some cases, completely distort--what happened, when it's likely that Paddock was just a violent narcissist motivated by a desire for power, control, and celebrity like pretty much every other mass-murderer.

[Hullian111]

CRISIS ACTOR

NO.

 

That is the most offensive word I've heard conspirators use.

Edited October 5, 2017 by Hullian111

[Not A Nice Person]

https://twitter.com/passionatechica/status/915934838527545345

 

Paddock? booked a hotel overlooking Lollapalooza. This could've been bigger as more people in attendance (Malia Obama for starters) + More known festival.

[Saggy]

 

you gotta understand most of the 559 injured are more likely from being trampled than being shot.

 

 

Nah, the vast majority of injuries were from gunshots. This guy fired multiple modified ARs--which can fire 9 rounds a second--into a crowd of 22,000 people off and on for like 10 minutes. That's plenty of time to kill and injure hundreds of people.

 

Well, one thing that's not being appreciated is that a lot of shots will pass-through a person and hit another, and maybe even a third or fourth depending on the caliber bullet. There are two nurses from a local hospital there that my friend knows, one was shot through the leg and it went through her and into her friend's foot. I'm guessing that's probably a very common injury in this incident given the angle of declination from the hotel room and the truly horrific thing to consider is that bullet that went through her leg had more than likely already passed through another person before her.

[GTA3Rockstar]

 

https://www.facebook.com/rseidenfeld/videos/10210848093023337/

 

Shots were being fired into the Bellagio lobby.

 

 

Where's the evidence that shots were fired into the Bellagio lobby?

 

 

Who knows, they made them leave the lobby and forced them in the back?

[Tchuck]

 

 

https://www.facebook.com/rseidenfeld/videos/10210848093023337/

 

Shots were being fired into the Bellagio lobby.

 

 

Where's the evidence that shots were fired into the Bellagio lobby?

 

 

Who knows, they made them leave the lobby and forced them in the back?

 

 

Hotels talk to each other. Chances are Mandalay Bay people told other nearby hotels of the situation, and they were placed on a lockdown of sorts. You know, to prevent people going out on the streets where a situation was happening, and prevent the active shooter from entering the hotel in case it was a possibility.

 

But yeah, there is no evidence of shots being fired into the Bellagio.

[GTA3Rockstar]

Yea, it's all just a mess.

 

 

 

This guy made crosses for all 58 victims. Drove all the way to LV from Chicago to place them. - http://nbc4i.com/2017/10/04/man-builds-crosses-for-las-vegas-shooting-victims/

 

He also made some crosses for the Chicago shooting and the Nightclub shooting in Florida. He made nearly 20,000 crosses in 20 years. 1k a year, 83 a month, nearly 3 a day

[Triple Vacuum Seal]

It's surprising to see the shooter go through that much effort to modify all of those guns given how rich he was. He definitely could've just bought fully automatic rifles from an illegal arms dealer. Maybe he wanted stay under the radar. This guy is like American Psycho come to life.

[arsenal_fan]

It's surprising to see the shooter go through that much effort to modify all of those guns given how rich he was. He definitely could've just bought fully automatic rifles from an illegal arms dealer. Maybe he wanted stay under the radar. This guy is like American Psycho come to life.

Yeah but that would of increased his chance of getting caught if he bought the gun illegally, especially an automatic weapon. This guy was a pussy who had cameras in the hotel corridor so he knew when to kill himself before the cops got to him. Getting captured or arrested would of been his worst nightmare.

Edited October 6, 2017 by arsenal_fan

[Big_Smiley]

 

It's surprising to see the shooter go through that much effort to modify all of those guns given how rich he was. He definitely could've just bought fully automatic rifles from an illegal arms dealer. Maybe he wanted stay under the radar. This guy is like American Psycho come to life.

Yeah but that would of increased his chance of getting caught if he bought the gun illegally, especially an automatic weapon. This guy was a pussy who had cameras in the hotel corridor so he knew when to kill himself before the cops got to him. Getting captured or arrested would of been his worst nightmare. Don't really think he would have that in mind to get captured. Especially with the amount of murders he committed. If he didn't want to commit suicide the situation could have been worse for the officers and possibly could have barricaded himself inside his hotel room and had a stand off with the SWAT team. Few officers could've been shot but he probably wouldn't have lasted long.

 

Either way he was a dead man from the moment he pulled that trigger from his rifle and ended those 59 innocent lives.

Edited October 6, 2017 by GTA_The_Series

[make total destroy]

It's surprising to see the shooter go through that much effort to modify all of those guns given how rich he was. He definitely could've just bought fully automatic rifles from an illegal arms dealer. Maybe he wanted stay under the radar. This guy is like American Psycho come to life.

I don't think it really takes that much effort to do. I'm sure there's instructions readily available on the internet, too.

[ṼirulenⱦEqừinox]

 

It's surprising to see the shooter go through that much effort to modify all of those guns given how rich he was. He definitely could've just bought fully automatic rifles from an illegal arms dealer. Maybe he wanted stay under the radar. This guy is like American Psycho come to life.

I don't think it really takes that much effort to do. I'm sure there's instructions readily available on the internet, too.

 

You're right it doesn't, If you know guns like this guy did has he's been hoarding guns since the 80's it was an easy trade for him to swap out the parts needed

[The Odyssey]

I like how there's all these elaborate conspiracy theories attempting to make sense of--or in some cases, completely distort--what happened, when it's likely that Paddock was just a violent narcissist motivated by a desire for power, control, and celebrity like pretty much every other mass-murderer.

Conservatives have constantly been trying to twist these mass shootings to make it not about gun control. If its not ISIS related and they shift the blame onto Muslims, then its all some elaborate conspiracy in order to enforce gun control laws. It happened with Sandy Hook and its happening now.

 

I'm not sure if anyones seen the video on Facebook of the guy trying to help everyone right after the shooting. He goes up to all these motionless bodies covered in blood, some barely breathing, and tries to help them. He even checks the pulses of some people only to realise they're dead. It's heavy stuff. I don't know how anyone in their right mind could watch that video then try to muster up evidence that its a conspiracy and not the result of their ridiculous gun laws that they're in denial about.

[ṼirulenⱦEqừinox]

Simple people are stupid and believe the stuff being spoon fed to them but uneducated morons

[GTA3Rockstar]

[...] 59 innocent lives.

 

 

58 is the final number, full list of the victim's - https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2017/10/06/here-all-victims-las-vegas-shooting/733236001/

[chronic lumbago]

Guys, I don't want to post a conspiracy theory video here but this is kind if weird.

https://youtube.com/watch?t=344s&v=l8MZ6VnNcjE

 

Especially the second guy they interview halfway through the video. That second guy is like yeah that guy died in my arms without even blinking and giving a single f*ck. He literally stands there like an actor, a bad one at that.

 

Not saying the interviews were a setup or other conspiracy sh*t but something was off with that guy. It's like the shooting had zero emotional inpact on him.

 

Maybe it's just me, I don't know. Watched this in the middle of the night half asleep.

Edited October 6, 2017 by fashion

[sivispacem]

Guys, I don't want to post a conspiracy theory video here

Then don't. Expecting people to behave in entirely uniform wailing grief in response to a tragically violent event and suggesting anyone who doesn't is an actor or plant is callous, ignorant, offensive and frankly delusional.

[Big_Smiley]

 

[...] 59 innocent lives.

 

58 is the final number, full list of the victim's - https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2017/10/06/here-all-victims-las-vegas-shooting/733236001/

Sh*t was heartbreaking to read man. Still a massive amount of innocent lives taken away by a single person. Edited October 6, 2017 by GTA_The_Series

[AlienTwo]

Yeah, 59 includes the murderer. He does it get to be counted among his victims. 58. 59 is an insult to the fallen, as is posting and talking about conspiracies.

 

Fifty-f*cking-eight.

[Saggy]

Simple people are stupid and believe the stuff being spoon fed to them but uneducated morons

Really? You're going to say some sh*t like that after acting like the News Parrot saying he was "stockpiling" weapons since 1982?

 

"Officials say Las Vegas gunman Stephen Paddock had been stockpiling guns since 1982 and bought 33 firearms in the last year. Jill Snyder, the special agent in charge at the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, tells ``CBS This Morning'' on Wednesday that Paddock purchased 33 firearms, mostly rifles, between October 2016 and Sept. 28, three days before he opened fire on a concert crowd. "

 

33 firearms last year. So that means of the 42 that they've discovered he had all together, that 9 of them he could have had since 1982. 9 is not a LARGE amount of guns for someone to own, especially if they're wealthy like Mr. Paddock was, and especially over 30+ years.

 

fashion,

 

Clearly you've never dealt with a person who has just experienced a significant trauma. That's a pretty classic text-book response. Yes the typical response is to be a blubbering baby, but many people "shutdown".

 

Tripple Vaccum Seal,

 

With his clean background and financial situation, I'm pretty sure he could have applied and got ATF licensed to buy truly automatic firearms. However, I doubt that the ATF doesn't keep close-eye on these types of licensees and would have noticed a trip to Las Vegas plus several thousand rounds of ammunition.

 

To get a machine gun ( an assault rifle or a SAW, not a sub machine gun as it would have been useless for this attack ) he would have put himself at far more risk of being caught. Perhaps you can illegally buy a sub machine gun from someone if you know enough people, but even that puts you at a significant risk. Randall Weaver (of the famous Ruby Ridge incident) was put on the ATF's radar for selling a sawn-off shotgun for crying out loud. If this guy was as "calculating" as everyone said there's no way he'd leave it up to chance like that.

 

Meanwhile, you can get AR-15s and AK-47s and figure out how to modify them quit easily, and for someone with Paddock's professional career ( showing a modicum of intelligence needed ) and wealth it would have been no problem for him to have a machine shop and practically produce these things himself. Unfortunately testing and making sure they still work properly would have drawn attention to himself--no matter where you go, people notice fully automatic gun fire. There's a little honey-hole people go to shoot at here, and you can find sherriff's reports of people calling to report fully automatic fire.

 

Bump stocks would make more sense all around because not only would he already know they'd work just by following YouTube reviews, but you could take a bump-fire stock to a range and test it without really drawing too much attention. The same can't be said for an illegally modified weapon.

[feckyerlife]

It's surprising to see the shooter go through that much effort to modify all of those guns given how rich he was. He definitely could've just bought fully automatic rifles from an illegal arms dealer. Maybe he wanted stay under the radar. This guy is like American Psycho come to life.

he couldve just got the license and bought them legally. would've been easier

[otachi]

You know what? i'm surprised Isis didn't claim responsibility like they always do

 

Edit:Hmmm,it appears they did,it's probably just another bullsh*t.

Edited October 6, 2017 by otachi

[feckyerlife]

You know what? i'm surprised Isis didn't claim responsibility like they always do.

they have been all week, the latest is that he converted 6 months ago.

 

http://www.businessinsider.com/isis-claim-las-vegas-shooter-islam-2017-10

Edited October 6, 2017 by feckyerlife

[otachi]

 

You know what? i'm surprised Isis didn't claim responsibility like they always do.

they have been all week, the latest is that he converted 6 months ago.

 

http://www.businessinsider.com/isis-claim-las-vegas-shooter-islam-2017-10

 

Yeah i just edited my comment,notice there is no buzz about this one,i don't think people believe them anymore.

[feckyerlife]

 

 

You know what? i'm surprised Isis didn't claim responsibility like they always do.

they have been all week, the latest is that he converted 6 months ago.

 

http://www.businessinsider.com/isis-claim-las-vegas-shooter-islam-2017-10

 

Yeah i just edited my comment,notice there is no buzz about this one,i don't think people believe them anymore.

 

according to that article, ISIS has only claimed 3 false attacks, everything else was legit.

[otachi]

 

 

 

You know what? i'm surprised Isis didn't claim responsibility like they always do.

they have been all week, the latest is that he converted 6 months ago.

 

http://www.businessinsider.com/isis-claim-las-vegas-shooter-islam-2017-10

 

Yeah i just edited my comment,notice there is no buzz about this one,i don't think people believe them anymore.

 

according to that article, ISIS has only claimed 3 false attacks, everything else was legit.

 

Hmmm that's good enough to suspect anything which come out from them.

 

Seriously though the attacker killed himself,and had a girlfriend before death,both things are strongly forbidden in Islam.

Edited October 6, 2017 by otachi

[ṼirulenⱦEqừinox]

 

Simple people are stupid and believe the stuff being spoon fed to them but uneducated morons

Really? You're going to say some sh*t like that after acting like the News Parrot saying he was "stockpiling" weapons since 1982?

I used a bad choice of words when i said hoarding.....sue me but nothing i said was false he had been buying guns since the 80's

Edited October 6, 2017 by Ai®aCob®a

[Saggy]

 

 

Simple people are stupid and believe the stuff being spoon fed to them but uneducated morons

Really? You're going to say some sh*t like that after acting like the News Parrot saying he was "stockpiling" weapons since 1982?

I used a bad choice of words when i said hoarding.....sue me but nothing i said was false he had been buying guns since the 80's

 

Eh maybe what I said was a little harsh but what I mean is it's the news media that's pushing that "stockpiling" notion. This guy really didn't have that many more guns than thousands of others of Americans. Yeah, it's a sizable collection, but take a look around popular gun forums, I've seen comparable. What I think is more significant that they're kind of sweeping under the rug is that he began purchasing guns in 1982, but only in the last year did he suddenly buy 33 more. To me that's more significant, but it's like they're burying the lead behind the fact that he had 40 some-odd guns which isn't really all that unheard of or concerning to a wide segment of the populace.

[Triple Vacuum Seal]

testing and making sure they still work properly would have drawn attention to himself--no matter where you go, people notice fully automatic gun fire. There's a little honey-hole people go to shoot at here, and you can find sherriff's reports of people calling to report fully automatic fire.

 

It certainly makes sense that he would've kept the process legal up until the time he started hauling the rifles up to his room. However, there are a number of places where you can test fully autos without drawing police attention unfortunately. Hell, there are some more unsavory parts of most cities where people don't get alarmed by fully automatic weapon sounds in the distance.

 

It is not clear how many of those weapons in his room were fitted with bump stocks. But in any case, the trouble of assembly wouldn't have too much of an obstacle. On the bright side, 50+ deaths later, even the NRA is backing the restriction of bump stocks now. It's about f*cking time. I'd still be careful about thinking that such restrictions will do anything whatsoever about the day to day gun violence that claims so many more lives than these periodic routine mass shootings. Violent career criminals will almost always opt for the black market fully-automatic rifles. And the more frequent drug and robbery-related gun violence will claim many lives going forward until we take a multi-pronged approach to combating gun crime beyond simply regulating what's in stores (even though it starts there).

 

 

These shootings make you wonder how accustomed to mass shootings will the US public become. They are as routine as major weather events at this point. It's somewhat of a forecast nowadays. We can almost bet our bottom dollar that another will happen in a year or so given how often these shootings have become. As absurd as it sounds, we have already grown content with far more shooting deaths than the Vegas incident when they are spread out over smaller body counts per shooting.

Edited October 6, 2017 by Triple Vacuum Seal