59 Dead and 500+ injured in Las Vegas shooting

[universetwisters]

 

 

 

Could that be a suicide note or some manifesto thing on the table under the tape and near the pen looking thing?

[GTA3Rockstar]

 

 

Could that be a suicide note or some manifesto thing on the table under the tape and near the pen looking thing?

 

 

 

That's what has been going around on facebook.

 

Here is the outside of his room, shown on previous page.

 

 

 

 

 

And here is us going into our suite back in June:

 

 

 

Same wall color, same door and same carpet.

 

Though, we was in a different wing and floor of the hotel but definitely similar rooms.

Edited October 3, 2017 by GTA3Rockstar

[ṼirulenⱦEqừinox]

Alright, let's be done with those images. This Tragedy Porn is frankly inappropriate... wildly so. This was a f*cking mass murderer, not a goddamned folk hero.

Had no intention of doing that, Was just showing all of the guns he had around the room

[Dawg37]

And after going through my Facebook feed I've already seen 2 highly liked jokes made about this massacre. Why am I not surprised?

[darthYENIK]

Its crazy how many people from where I live are among the dead and wounded. Las Vegas is a very popular weekend getaway for Californians, and country music is very popular in my area of California as well.

[Not A Nice Person]

 

 

 

Could that be a suicide note or some manifesto thing on the table under the tape and near the pen looking thing?

 

 

That's what has been going around on facebook.

 

Here is the outside of his room, shown on previous page.

 

 

 

 

And here is us going into our suite back in June:

 

 

Same wall color, same door and same carpet.

 

Though, we was in a different wing and floor of the hotel but definitely similar rooms.

Nice cover up Edited October 4, 2017 by Nice Person

[Input]

Has there been any info on the Auto's he used? I read they were modified to be auto, was curious if he did it himself or bought them legally/illegally.

[ṼirulenⱦEqừinox]

Has there been any info on the Auto's he used? I read they were modified to be auto, was curious if he did it himself or bought them legally/illegally.

He bought 12 bump stocks to modify Them into full autos

 

12 "bump stock" devices that can enable a rifle to fire continuously, like an automatic weapon, authorities said

Edited October 4, 2017 by Ai®aCob®a

[Input]

 

Has there been any info on the Auto's he used? I read they were modified to be auto, was curious if he did it himself or bought them legally/illegally.

He bought 12 bump stocks to modify Them into full autos

 

12 "bump stock" devices that can enable a rifle to fire continuously, like an automatic weapon, authorities said

 

Never heard of those before, some intense loophole type sh*t apparently. But I don't bother with anything other than handguns so what do I know.

[Mister Pink]

 

But he had to carry a ton of sh*t up there, You'd think someone would be a peeping tom and check what the hell is in these heavy bags.

 

I know about the maid thing but I'm seriously curious about the bags.

 

But you know why no-one was suspicious?

 

Because he was a white old man, and a rich one at that. He could have dead hookers up in his room, and it would take a while before anyone noticed.

 

If he was black or a muslim, they'd be suspicious the instant he began bringing new suitcases or bringing their suitcases up and down all the time (for, well, getting more guns and stuff).

 

But because he was white, old, rich, male, no-one batted an eye. America.

 

 

Yes, you are right. Perps that don't fit typical criminal demographics may receive less suspicion. I'm generally not suspicious of old, rich, white, ladies of stealing my car or looking for fight.

 

Yeah.. I would be more relaxed passing a gang of rich, old white males through a dark alley than apposed to a bunch of young black males. It's not because I'm racist although Ben Affleck might think so, lol, but old rich white males or females don't generally shoot people or assault people on the street. Generally speaking.

 

If you look a the FBI statistics of who is killing people on the streets, it's not old, rich, white males or females. Thus, people focus their attention to the demographic who is killing people on the streets.

Edited October 4, 2017 by Mister Pink

[R3CON]

 

 

But he had to carry a ton of sh*t up there, You'd think someone would be a peeping tom and check what the hell is in these heavy bags.

 

I know about the maid thing but I'm seriously curious about the bags.

But you know why no-one was suspicious?

 

Because he was a white old man, and a rich one at that. He could have dead hookers up in his room, and it would take a while before anyone noticed.

 

If he was black or a muslim, they'd be suspicious the instant he began bringing new suitcases or bringing their suitcases up and down all the time (for, well, getting more guns and stuff).

 

But because he was white, old, rich, male, no-one batted an eye. America.

 

Yes, you are right. Perps that don't fit typical criminal demographics may receive less suspicion. I'm generally not suspicious of old, rich, white, ladies of stealing my car or looking for fight.

 

Yeah.. I would be more relaxed passing a gang of rich, old white males through a dark alley than apposed to a bunch of young black males. It's not because I'm racist although Ben Affleck might think so, lol, but old rich white males or females don't generally shoot people or assault people on the street. Generally speaking.

 

If you look a the FBI statistics of who is killing people on the streets, it's not old, rich, white males or females. Thus, people focus their attention to the demographic who is killing people on the streets.

It's not far from racist and it's definitely prejudiced. Not sure why you even needed to throw a "bunch of young black males" ("a pack of ni**ers" - as Mel Gibson would say) into the situation. In your view, it's clear that a bunch of young black males would be the most likely group of people to commit violent crime. Out of any and all demographic groups in the world, you settled on this one.

 

There's multiple demographics of people who are responsible for gun violence. This tragedy has shown that you are not safe simply because the people around are elderly, wealthy or white. Violence comes in all forms. There's no need to be suspicious of anyone.

 

Can we please leave racial scapegoats out of this discussion?

Edited October 4, 2017 by R3CON

[AlienTwo]

Can we please leave racial scapegoats out of this discussion?

 

I'm afraid we can't, and shouldn't, leave racial factors out of this discussion. Mass random killings are perpetrated far and away more by white males and I think we need to look at that group and see what leads them down this path. I have a fairly solid guess as to why, and unfortunately is based upon the privilege they, we, have in America and the f*cked-up backwards notion that we are "being taken over by mongrel races." Nearly all humans are prejudiced, but whites seem to be the most likely group to turn that prejudice into violent, racist, action.

 

I'm sorry I cherry picked your entire eloquent and truthful argument down to one statement, but I think it can be a real and important metric to look at. Not always in terms of "fault", this case yes, but if we do look at the rather high "black on black" violent crime statistics we should try to dig deeper and ask "why is this the case?" I think we'll find society has marginalized the black, latino, hell, any darker people, and minimized their potential futures to a point where there is desperation and anger. And hopelessness. Society, in movies, music, the words of our leaders, has told these populations they don't have much to look forward to outside of a life of violent crime. I think it's a similar effect with the crazy white shooters as well, except their specific chosen media, and leaders (which is the most solvable problem) state that they are "losing their culture" and they feel hopeless and act to take it back. This is a lie, though... it's our diversity that makes us strong, it's our diversity that can help us to be more empathetic, to understand other cultures and to be that shining city on a hill. But if that city is chiefly occupied by ANY ONE culture, it's a hollow example of humanity, and more a place of isolation and rigidity, rather than one of growth, understanding, learning and exploration.

[Saggy]

 

Can we please leave racial scapegoats out of this discussion?

 

I'm afraid we can't, and shouldn't, leave racial factors out of this discussion. Mass random killings are perpetrated far and away more by white males and I think we need to look at that group and see what leads them down this path. I have a fairly solid guess as to why, and unfortunately is based upon the privilege they, we, have in America and the f*cked-up backwards notion that we are "being taken over by mongrel races." Nearly all humans are prejudiced, but whites seem to be the most likely group to turn that prejudice into violent, racist, action.

 

I'm sorry I cherry picked your entire eloquent and truthful argument down to one statement, but I think it can be a real and important metric to look at. Not always in terms of "fault", this case yes, but if we do look at the rather high "black on black" violent crime statistics we should try to dig deeper and ask "why is this the case?" I think we'll find society has marginalized the black, latino, hell, any darker people, and minimized their potential futures to a point where there is desperation and anger. And hopelessness. Society, in movies, music, the words of our leaders, has told these populations they don't have much to look forward to outside of a life of violent crime. I think it's a similar effect with the crazy white shooters as well, except their specific chosen media, and leaders (which is the most solvable problem) state that they are "losing their culture" and they feel hopeless and act to take it back. This is a lie, though... it's our diversity that makes us strong, it's our diversity that can help us to be more empathetic, to understand other cultures and to be that shining city on a hill. But if that city is chiefly occupied by ANY ONE culture, it's a hollow example of humanity, and more a place of isolation and rigidity, rather than one of growth, understanding, learning and exploration.

 

Are "white males" really a demographic group that is defined by an amount of similar characteristics for it to be a useful categorization in any kind of diagnostic of "society's problems"?

 

I'm willing to guess that the reason "most" mass shooters are white males is because most people who conduct this sort of crime are men, and most men in the U.S. are white. There have been black mass shooters. Obviously there was Micah Johnson recently, but you also have Christopher Dorner, the Beltway Sniper ( John Mohammed? Can't think of his name right now ) and then Pulse was done by Omar Mateen. There was also a Naval Shipyard shooter that I think I remember being black. Recently here in Washington state there was a Hispanic man that came into a shopping mall and killed 4 or 5 women too, in case anyone thought I was picking on black men.

 

I'm just not sure that the whiteness really is a factor. One thing you might also want to avoid is typifying them as "crazy". I'm not suggesting that a person who would do this might not have a higher likelihood of being unhinged, but you're kind of implying your own racist argument without realizing it. Or that's just what I'm inferring, but in any way it's almost like you could be saying that white people go nuts and shoot people because they're crazy, but then what does that leave as the answer for when people like Micah Johnson commit their acts?

[AlienTwo]

I'm not 100% sure it's a factor either, but I've never done any studies. White culture is obsessed with guns, parts of white culture feel they are loosing their place in the world and want to fight back. From those few facts and from living as a straight, white male who signed up to fight a lifetime ago and who has many friends still in that particular community I draw my conclusions. I think it's something worth looking at. After all, I've never seen a political movement as large as the Alt-Right only from the left chanting about isolation. They all seem to want to be included in this grand experiment, while the whites are the ones chanting "You will not replace me" and "Hang that ni**er from a tree!"

[Saggy]

I'm not 100% sure it's a factor either, but I've never done any studies. White culture is obsessed with guns, parts of white culture feel they are loosing their place in the world and want to fight back. From those few facts and from living as a straight, white male who signed up to fight a lifetime ago and who has many friends still in that particular community I draw my conclusions. I think it's something worth looking at. After all, I've never seen a political movement as large as the Alt-Right only from the left chanting about isolation. They all seem to want to be included in this grand experiment, while the whites are the ones chanting "You will not replace me" and "Hang that ni**er from a tree!"

 

Yeah, I do see your point. It's hard not to get it politicized, but it does seem kind of like there is a pretty distinct group that's been saying things like, "From my cold dead hands," for a while now. I mean, everyone is saying they never could have seen this stuff coming, but this guy was a high-stakes gambler, very well employed and "wealthy" ( at least by mine and most people's standards ) and had a collection of nearly 50 firearms. It's not actually a set of circumstances that's very rare in America, and without trying to sling mud at conservatives, this type of person typically falls in line with that ideology far more than a leftist one. If they don't believe me, just go on to literally every gun-enthusiast message board there is and take a look around. I'm sure that has a LOT to do with the restrictions that the left have made being unpopular, but without examining why they choose these politics, it's pretty clear that the people who possess these kinds of arsenals are leaning pretty far one way a lot more than the other. I don't mean to say that these people are any more likely at a personal or pathological level to commit violence just because they have a lot of guns, but on the other hand, the keg has to have powder in it to explode.

[AlienTwo]

One of the biggest contributors I see is our leadership repeating and validating many of these claims... it normalizes dangerous nationalist behavior and allows for more "normal" people to backslide.

[Dragon_Of_Tragedy]

The random who posted those pictures on here.

 

This isn't the defunct heaven666 loll

 

Ill tell you what one of the 59 mods told me.

 

Only posting pictures are against forum rules.

[GTA3Rockstar]

 

 

 

 

Could that be a suicide note or some manifesto thing on the table under the tape and near the pen looking thing?

 

That's what has been going around on facebook.

 

Here is the outside of his room, shown on previous page.

 

 

 

 

 

And here is us going into our suite back in June:

 

 

 

Same wall color, same door and same carpet.

 

Though, we was in a different wing and floor of the hotel but definitely similar rooms.

Nice cover up

 

 

You bet.

 

 

 

 

So many conspiracies going around. Multiple videos trying to show there were shooters on floors between 4 and 15, a security guard at the event looking like he was shooting. All sorts of sh*t

 

 

Probably won't know why or how, either.

[GTA3Rockstar]

So, this girl that was doing an interview - https://www.facebook.com/day.blake/posts/10214392847517819

 

 

Trying to say there was a shooter on the ground by all of them or whatever.

 

The weird thing is, she was on Dr Phil 5 years ago..

 

 

 

 

Here's her twitter https://twitter.com/CorinneLomas

Edited October 4, 2017 by GTA3Rockstar

[El Dildo]

CRISIS ACTOR

I knew this sh/t was a false flag. god damn where is Alex Jones when you need him.

[Input]

This sh*t is just getting more intense by the day. But multiple shooters would make some sense, I can believe in the guy spraying down bullets and wounding a lot of people as well as killing some. But 559+? I feel like it would take more than one person to hit that number.

 

Not impossible to be done, but I'd say more than one shooter is believable.

[GTA3Rockstar]

According to this girl's live video on FB - https://www.facebook.com/rseidenfeld/videos/10210848093023337/

 

Shots were being fired into the Bellagio lobby.

 

 

 

 

Definitely not on the 32nd floor, but reports have it as a strobe light.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

There has to have been more than just him.

 

 

 

___

 

@14:10 of the dispatch, one officer said there was a strobe light on the east side.

Edited October 4, 2017 by GTA3Rockstar

[AlienTwo]

Seriously? Conspiracies??

 

[make total destroy]

CRISIS ACTOR

I knew this sh/t was a false flag. god damn where is Alex Jones when you need him.

Oh he's been very busy

 

[ViceOfLiberty]

Anyone know about the 4chan user "john" who predicted the attack on Las Vegas? Check this out. Dude said the attack was meant to happen "tomorrow" a week before the attack. Turns out the attacker had tried to rent a place near ANOTHER festival that week, but had failed due to everything being booked.

 

http://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/143769972/anon-jon-predicted-vegas-attack

Edited October 5, 2017 by ViceOfLiberty

[The Odyssey]

 

Can we please leave racial scapegoats out of this discussion?

 

I'm afraid we can't, and shouldn't, leave racial factors out of this discussion. Mass random killings are perpetrated far and away more by white males and I think we need to look at that group and see what leads them down this path. I have a fairly solid guess as to why, and unfortunately is based upon the privilege they, we, have in America and the f*cked-up backwards notion that we are "being taken over by mongrel races." Nearly all humans are prejudiced, but whites seem to be the most likely group to turn that prejudice into violent, racist, action.

 

I'm sorry I cherry picked your entire eloquent and truthful argument down to one statement, but I think it can be a real and important metric to look at. Not always in terms of "fault", this case yes, but if we do look at the rather high "black on black" violent crime statistics we should try to dig deeper and ask "why is this the case?" I think we'll find society has marginalized the black, latino, hell, any darker people, and minimized their potential futures to a point where there is desperation and anger. And hopelessness. Society, in movies, music, the words of our leaders, has told these populations they don't have much to look forward to outside of a life of violent crime. I think it's a similar effect with the crazy white shooters as well, except their specific chosen media, and leaders (which is the most solvable problem) state that they are "losing their culture" and they feel hopeless and act to take it back. This is a lie, though... it's our diversity that makes us strong, it's our diversity that can help us to be more empathetic, to understand other cultures and to be that shining city on a hill. But if that city is chiefly occupied by ANY ONE culture, it's a hollow example of humanity, and more a place of isolation and rigidity, rather than one of growth, understanding, learning and exploration.

 

You really think this is a racial thing?

 

The plain and simple reason why whites seem to commit a majority of these mass shootings is because the majority of the country is white. Assuming there would be a link between race and mass killings is quite prejudiced.

 

Firstly, its not like it was racially motivated. The guy wouldn't have targeted a country music festival otherwise. He figured the best way to target a mass of people regardless of their skin colour is to target them from a vantage point and pick them off like sitting ducks.

 

And the reason why he did it? Cause he was a looney. That's literally it. Guy had some f*cked up mental issues and unfortunately killing a whole bunch of innocent people was his coping mechanism.

 

As goes for the majority of mass shootings/terrorist attacks in the U.S, the main issues are gun control and mental health. It's never about race.

[feckyerlife]

This sh*t is just getting more intense by the day. But multiple shooters would make some sense, I can believe in the guy spraying down bullets and wounding a lot of people as well as killing some. But 559+? I feel like it would take more than one person to hit that number.

 

Not impossible to be done, but I'd say more than one shooter is believable.

you gotta understand most of the 559 injured are more likely from being trampled than being shot.

[feckyerlife]

According to this girl's live video on FB - https://www.facebook.com/rseidenfeld/videos/10210848093023337/

 

Shots were being fired into the Bellagio lobby.

 

 

 

if they were fired into the Bellagio, it wasnt from Mandalay Bay then.

[Not A Nice Person]

 

I'm not 100% sure it's a factor either, but I've never done any studies. White culture is obsessed with guns, parts of white culture feel they are loosing their place in the world and want to fight back. From those few facts and from living as a straight, white male who signed up to fight a lifetime ago and who has many friends still in that particular community I draw my conclusions. I think it's something worth looking at. After all, I've never seen a political movement as large as the Alt-Right only from the left chanting about isolation. They all seem to want to be included in this grand experiment, while the whites are the ones chanting "You will not replace me" and "Hang that ni**er from a tree!"

Yeah, I do see your point. It's hard not to get it politicized, but it does seem kind of like there is a pretty distinct group that's been saying things like, "From my cold dead hands," for a while now. I mean, everyone is saying they never could have seen this stuff coming, but this guy was a high-stakes gambler, very well employed and "wealthy" ( at least by mine and most people's standards ) and had a collection of nearly 50 firearms. It's not actually a set of circumstances that's very rare in America, and without trying to sling mud at conservatives, this type of person typically falls in line with that ideology far more than a leftist one. If they don't believe me, just go on to literally every gun-enthusiast message board there is and take a look around. I'm sure that has a LOT to do with the restrictions that the left have made being unpopular, but without examining why they choose these politics, it's pretty clear that the people who possess these kinds of arsenals are leaning pretty far one way a lot more than the other. I don't mean to say that these people are any more likely at a personal or pathological level to commit violence just because they have a lot of guns, but on the other hand, the keg has to have powder in it to explode.

Omar Mateen wasn't black.

[Input]

 

 

you gotta understand most of the 559 injured are more likely from being trampled than being shot.

 

True, I hadn't considered that.

 

Apparently at the guys house, he had tons of some kind of homemade explosives. And given that he was looking at other festivals/hotels to book, I think this guy was planning some kind of spree of mass killings/domestic terrorism.