59 Dead and 500+ injured in Las Vegas shooting

[Cebra]

^^^ I was in Las Vegas in May to see a Robin Trower concert.

we stayed at the Bellagio.

 

but it makes me curious about the details of the shooting itself.

90% of the hotel room windows in Vegas do not open. to prevent falls and suicide. most of them have tinted / darkened glass. I wonder how exactly he set himself up without being seen inside of his room while getting a clear shot below him. maybe he just shot through the window. reports say that the shooting continued uninterrupted for like 10 or 15 minutes. the guy had enough time to shoot until he was satisfied and then take his own life without incident. you have to imagine that if you were on the same floor in the same building, it would've been pretty loud and obvious where the shots were coming from which room. these casino resorts are full of cops and security. it's pretty discouraging to think that they couldn't have gotten someone up there sooner to bust down the door and take him out.

There were a couple of people in the r/LasVegas subreddit who claimed to be staying in the Mandalay Bay at the time of the shooting. They said the heard the shots but they were relatively muzzled, and I wouldn't be surprised if a Las Vegas casino/hotel had semi-soundproof floors. I don't know how the shooter would've set up without anyone seeing him (he must have been at least backlit) but I guess you could chalk that down to the sheer number of lights on the strip.

 

He did shoot through the windows, by the way.

[ṼirulenⱦEqừinox]

 

^^^ I was in Las Vegas in May to see a Robin Trower concert.

we stayed at the Bellagio.

 

but it makes me curious about the details of the shooting itself.

90% of the hotel room windows in Vegas do not open. to prevent falls and suicide. most of them have tinted / darkened glass. I wonder how exactly he set himself up without being seen inside of his room while getting a clear shot below him. maybe he just shot through the window. reports say that the shooting continued uninterrupted for like 10 or 15 minutes. the guy had enough time to shoot until he was satisfied and then take his own life without incident. you have to imagine that if you were on the same floor in the same building, it would've been pretty loud and obvious where the shots were coming from which room. these casino resorts are full of cops and security. it's pretty discouraging to think that they couldn't have gotten someone up there sooner to bust down the door and take him out.

There were a couple of people in the r/LasVegas subreddit who claimed to be staying in the Mandalay Bay at the time of the shooting. They said the heard the shots but they were relatively muzzled, and I wouldn't be surprised if a Las Vegas casino/hotel had semi-soundproof floors. I don't know how the shooter would've set up without anyone seeing him (he must have been at least backlit) but I guess you could chalk that down to the sheer number of lights on the strip.

 

He did shoot through the windows, by the way.

 

Listening to the LV Swat radio chatter, They stated it looks like he broke out the window with a "Hammer Like Device"

 

Which would make more sense as using a sledge hammer to break the glass would create less noise to give him more time to set up before reports of shooting started

Those windows can not be seen into during the day. He probably checked in at 11am, set everything up and waited until night to break it open.

 

Also heard there were some diversions to get cops towards another part of the strip

He had been there since the 28th so plenty of time to setup

This must have been planned months ago. He couldn't have been transporting 100 ammo packs and several automatic weapons in a short period of time.

He set the concert as a target.

Maybe he lost all his money on bets and decided to end his life, but didn't want to go alone.

Sure he could've and he did assault rifles aren't that big, all he has to do is put them in duffel bags and put them on the bellhop cart and push them up to his room

[Not A Nice Person]

What type of guns have that type of range? and he mustve had hundreds of pieces of ammo to shoot for 10-15 minutes. This is failure of the hotel to notice or maybe they didn't care.

[Tchuck]

What type of guns have that type of range? and he mustve had hundreds of pieces of ammo to shoot for 10-15 minutes. This is failure of the hotel to notice or maybe they didn't care.

 

How are hotels supposed to guess if someone is carrying several weapons and hundreds of rounds in their luggage? Should they now install x-ray machines or go through every guest's piece of luggage to check for firearms and whatnot?

As far as I know, this was the first time such an incident happened, so there was no way hotels could ever be prepared for such an incident.

 

As for range, assault weapons can reach targets at a couple hundred meters away. The scene of the shooting was about that far from the hotel window. Accuracy wasn't an issue either, so the rounds can go even further if you don't really care about hitting stuff properly. Since everyone was so heavily packed in the area, it was even easier to inflict mass casualties even from such a distance.

 

So yeah, RIP to all those affected. If America ignored the gun control/mental health debate when little children were massacred at Sandy Hook, I doubt this will push the debate forward. Oh well.

[ṼirulenⱦEqừinox]

What type of guns have that type of range? and he mustve had hundreds of pieces of ammo to shoot for 10-15 minutes. This is failure of the hotel to notice or maybe they didn't care.

Any rifle would have the range considering it was at a high advantage point shooting downward which would give the bullet even more momentum and he was shooting only a few hundred yards away to the venue which was across the street

 

So please tell me how the hotel is suppose to spot his weapons?

 

He most likely transported them in regular duffel bags that a regular guest brings a large duffe bag can easily fit several guns and with him being an older guy they wouldn't think anything of it of him using the bellhop cart to move his bags to his room and before you say housekeeping keep in mind the do not distrub signs or no maid service signs.

 

They will not come into his room

[El Dildo]

yeah he could easily get into his room with guns in his bags.

and then it doesn't matter how long you're there setting up because you can leave the Do Not Disturb tag on your door. nobody will enter your room.

 

but when the shooting started it should've taken less than 5 minutes to figure out which room it was coming from.

then again the hotel could've been empty. more or less. because nobody is in their room in the evening. they're all out partying somewhere. so who knows.

[Not A Nice Person]

But he had to carry a ton of sh*t up there, You'd think someone would be a peeping tom and check what the hell is in these heavy bags.

 

I know about the maid thing but I'm seriously curious about the bags.

Edited October 3, 2017 by Nice Person

[ṼirulenⱦEqừinox]

But he had to carry a ton of sh*t up there, You'd think someone would be a peeping tom and check what the hell is in these heavy bags.

 

I know about the maid thing but I'm seriously curious about the bags.

He was there for 3 1/2 days before he did this so he could have taken them up several times over those 3 days and besides the Mandalay Bay Hotel is ALWAYS busy not with just hotel guest but casino guest coming and going so how the f*ck are they going to keep track of an old man who is probably a regular over the course of 3 days?

 

They don't because they're busy doing other stuff

 

but when the shooting started it should've taken less than 5 minutes to figure out which room it was coming from.

 

then again the hotel could've been empty. more or less. because nobody is in their room in the evening. they're all out partying somewhere. so who knows.

The police were on scene in less then 5 minutes but there was confusion on if the shooting was coming from the Mandalay Bay Hotel or the Luxor which was right next door, It was when the smoke detector in his room went off were they finally able to pinpoint his exact location.

 

Download an app called https://www.broadcastify.com/and it allows you to go back and listen to the police chatter

[Tchuck]

But he had to carry a ton of sh*t up there, You'd think someone would be a peeping tom and check what the hell is in these heavy bags.

 

I know about the maid thing but I'm seriously curious about the bags.

 

But you know why no-one was suspicious?

 

Because he was a white old man, and a rich one at that. He could have dead hookers up in his room, and it would take a while before anyone noticed.

 

If he was black or a muslim, they'd be suspicious the instant he began bringing new suitcases or bringing their suitcases up and down all the time (for, well, getting more guns and stuff).

 

But because he was white, old, rich, male, no-one batted an eye. America.

[GTA3Rockstar]

But he had to carry a ton of sh*t up there, You'd think someone would be a peeping tom and check what the hell is in these heavy bags.

 

I know about the maid thing but I'm seriously curious about the bags.

 

 

If he was there from the 28th, he could have easily brought a couple bags up to his room every night and nobody would think anything.

 

How could anyone peep in his bags if he was carrying them? lol

 

You're over thinking this.

[acmilano]

Man,this was beyond sad.Rest in peace to all victims and hope that all wounded will recover. Things are really beyond crazy these days.

[Algonquin Assassin]

My dearest condolences to family and friends of the victims both deceased and injured. I just can't...wow. I'm speechless.

[Not A Nice Person]

 

But he had to carry a ton of sh*t up there, You'd think someone would be a peeping tom and check what the hell is in these heavy bags.

I know about the maid thing but I'm seriously curious about the bags.

 

But you know why no-one was suspicious?

 

Because he was a white old man, and a rich one at that. He could have dead hookers up in his room, and it would take a while before anyone noticed.

 

If he was black or a muslim, they'd be suspicious the instant he began bringing new suitcases or bringing their suitcases up and down all the time (for, well, getting more guns and stuff).

 

But because he was white, old, rich, male, no-one batted an eye. America.

This.

 

Also guy with knives manages to kill hundreds somehow from hundreds of feet away.

https://twitter.com/benshapiro/status/915036901987557381

[Sombra]

But he had to carry a ton of sh*t up there, You'd think someone would be a peeping tom and check what the hell is in these heavy bags.

 

I know about the maid thing but I'm seriously curious about the bags.

 

you really think a person in a hotel with lots of bags would be such an outlier it'd make staff think "hmmm what exactly is in there he must be up to something" - i'm no gun expert but even with that in mind no doubt an average sized suitcase could hold an AR with a metric sh*tton of magazines.

[chronic lumbago]

It's a hotel in goddamn Las Vegas right next to an event. They can't possibly keep track of every unsuspicious old rich white person carrying a few bags. Like said before, sadly, colored people take the priority in such things.

 

Personal but my bag is very frequently being controlled in a supermarket, whereas women and basically everyone else never. gets controlled. I'm young and half white, but were often compared to a muslim person in the past. Never stole anything in my life and still, the supermarket I visited 1000 times still doesn't trust me because I carry a backpack.

 

Anyways, the people in charge of the hotel's security must really feel like sh*t right now. I can't blame them. You can't suspect a person of doing something like this.

[feckyerlife]

It's a hotel in goddamn Las Vegas right next to an event. They can't possibly keep track of every unsuspicious old rich white person carrying a few bags. Like said before, sadly, colored people take the priority in such things.

 

Personal but my bag is very frequently being controlled in a supermarket, whereas women and basically everyone else never. gets controlled. I'm young and half white, but were often compared to a muslim person in the past. Never stole anything in my life and still, the supermarket I visited 1000 times still doesn't trust me because I carry a backpack.

 

Anyways, the people in charge of the hotel's security must really feel like sh*t right now. I can't blame them. You can't suspect a person of doing something like this.

wtf does him being white have to do with anything? you obviously never have been to vegas. The only color they care about in Vegas is Green and Gold nothing else. I've seen plenty of black, asian, spanish etc people with 10-12 bags going up to a room in vegas and no one is second looking at them.

[Smith John]

But because he was white, old, rich, male, no-one batted an eye. America.

It would be pretty cool if you could take your identity politics bollocks away from a thread dedicated - at least I think it was dedicated to - to acknowledging the victims of this atrocity.

[El Dildo]

[ṼirulenⱦEqừinox]

Yeah i saw a video of those guys and only thing i could think of is.....I wonder what they would've said if he had shot them next

[Lock n' Stock]

Majorly f*cked up, hundreds of innocent people's lives literally ruined by a single piece of human waste.

 

However, this managed to restore SOME faith I had about humanity.

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4942928/Stories-heroism-emerge-amid-Las-Vegas-massacre.html

[Dragon_Of_Tragedy]

He saved the tax payers a few bucks by eating a bullet.

[Mister Kay]

This guy shot himself with a camera during the deed. He even set up wired cameras in the hallway outside his room. Wtf

[ṼirulenⱦEqừinox]

• Next to his body are two assault rifles with bi-pods; one has a 'bump stock', making it effectively full-auto
• Police say he shot at officers as they breached the door, but by the time they made it into the suite, Paddock had committed suicide.
• Dozens of spent shells litter the floor and in one corner magazines sit in neat stacks
• A hammer is also seen, which Paddock presumably used to smash open two windows in his suite
• It was from both of those vantage points that Paddock fired on a crowd of 22,000 attending a music festival
• He killed at least 59 people and injured 527 in the attack - the deadliest in U.S. history
• Video from outside the hotel room shows bullets piercing the front door, from when Paddock shot at cops
• He set up a camera on a room service cart outside the room to warn him when police were arriving
• By the time a SWAT team blew open the door to the suite, Paddock had shot himself dead
• Investigators are struggling to find a reason for why the millionaire retiree carried out the massacre
• He had no criminal record, and his brother says he wasn't religious or political
• He did, however, like gambling and in the two weeks prior had carried out several large figure bets
• In the week before he died, he also wired $100,000 to an account in his girlfriend's native Philippines
• Girlfriend Marilou Danley is back to being a person of interest and is en route back to the U.S. for questioning
• On Tuesday, Las Vegas authorities say they had identified all but three of the 59 victims

Edited October 3, 2017 by Ai®aCob®a

[Raavi]

This must also be an enormous financial hit for the hotel, I'm fairly certain that most people booking a hotel in Vegas in the near future will be giving the hotel where from 59 people were massacred a miss. Not to mention the fact of the floor being prominently reported on, I don't think a lot of people will be comfortable staying there anytime soon. I sure as hell wouldn't.

[AlienTwo]

Alright, let's be done with those images. This Tragedy Porn is frankly inappropriate... wildly so. This was a f*cking mass murderer, not a goddamned folk hero.

[Raavi]

Alright, let's be done with those images. This Tragedy Porn is frankly inappropriate... wildly so. This was a f*cking mass murderer, not a goddamned folk hero.

 

There also seems to be a picture circulating showing the shooter's bloodied mug with a bullet hole in it. It boggles the mind how these crime scene photos are already all over the web not even 24 hours after it all took place.

[AlienTwo]

I hope if that makes it's way here it'll be immediately deleted.

[Smith John]

This must also be an enormous financial hit for the hotel, I'm fairly certain that most people booking a hotel in Vegas in the near future will be giving the hotel where from 59 people were massacred a miss. Not to mention the fact of the floor being prominently reported on, I don't think a lot of people will be comfortable staying there anytime soon. I sure as hell wouldn't.

 

This was something I've also been giving thought to today. I honestly don't think it will hurt their business, to be honest - quite the opposite.

[GTA3Rockstar]

This must also be an enormous financial hit for the hotel, I'm fairly certain that most people booking a hotel in Vegas in the near future will be giving the hotel where from 59 people were massacred a miss. Not to mention the fact of the floor being prominently reported on, I don't think a lot of people will be comfortable staying there anytime soon. I sure as hell wouldn't.

 

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/owner-mandalay-bay-lost-almost-172312438.html

 

At least a billion

 

 

 

Alright, let's be done with those images. This Tragedy Porn is frankly inappropriate... wildly so. This was a f*cking mass murderer, not a goddamned folk hero.

 

There also seems to be a picture circulating showing the shooter's bloodied mug with a bullet hole in it. It boggles the mind how these crime scene photos are already all over the web not even 24 hours after it all took place.

 

 

 

Saw it

[Smith John]

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/owner-mandalay-bay-lost-almost-172312438.html

 

At least a billion

That's a natural knee-jerk response.