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Blasterman4EVER

If Dutch is alive, so is John Marsten.

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livejoker

Spelling mistakes and arguments aside, I'm pretty pumped to see when Rockstar will show John Marston/Marsten/Ramnstein. We've just had this first trailer showing off the main character and Dutch (and probably other people like "Native", that still makes me laugh - it's from another thread) so the trailer where they give John an appearance excites me more than RDR2, to be honest.

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Nutduster

This thread. SMH

 

Yeah he'll be in the game, though they're carefully withholding him from the marketing so far, for the most part. A guy who looks just like him is in the artwork they released forever ago. Based on that and the guy that looks exactly like Dutch - and that we now know 100% IS Dutch - this is clearly a prequel, and Marston is almost certainly in it, though maybe in a somewhat minor role.

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Dee-account-with-1kbans

 

lol for fk sake

 

We've been discussing this since last year and you suddenly realize John Marston is alive in RDR2 too

Are you extremely sarcastically saying that you and everyone else together knew that RDR2 was going to be a prequel?

 

Because I didn't know for sure that it would be a prequel.

 

Either way, went down the threads and didn't see anyone talking about it.

 

Anyways..........

We've literally known since last year because of the key art alone. You can see Dutch, Bill and John there. That and the trailer gives away the time frame.

 

 

Marston

Oh, and this. First and foremost.
Oh yeah yeah way to jump on the puncuation grammar spelling train now... sheesh!!!!!!

 

ARGGGHHHH

 

 

Why would they not consider RDR canon. That doesn't make sense to me.

They obviously are since Dutch apparently plays a crucial role in this game and he's a reoccurring character from the first game. That and it's f*ckING CALLED RED DEAD REDEMPTION 2!!!
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Rafae

Blasterman said he wants to ignore all the hype and marketing before release and yet here he is making this thread himself

 

Brilliant lol

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Rafae

Seriously, do you guys f*cking hate me or something?

 

Kinda, yeah. Can't speak for everyone else though.

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chronic lumbago

My gut tells me they will show a glimpse of Marston next year, in the launch trailer. Quote me on that next year before release.

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MCMXCII

I hope we'll get to see how he got those scars on his face. Maybe Arthur will cut John's face in a fight or something.

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BLOOD_WOLF

I think John will play a big part in the game but not with main focus but plenty of shine to where we see him as the bad asss he once was as a youngster. Remember Arthur looks like he's in his early 30s mids and seeing how Dutch looks younger in the trailer all this probably Is before and between the events where John gets shot in 1906. If I had to guess John is probably in his late 20s early 30s and we will see how everything unfolds up until John gets shot.(age 31) And if I had to guess, I'd say Arthur is most likely the one who shoots John and leaves him for dead with Johns formal gang members. It's no coincidence that Rockstar leaves Arthur out of RDR or why John hasn't been shown in both new trailers. Id say Arthur is going to be used as that connection leading to John and it will be no surprise if Rockstar makes us build this relationship with Arthur for us to only hate him in the end because of the failed robbery of 1906. I can be completely wrong, but this is my take on this. I do believe Arthur Morgan is going to be a character we will fall in love with but why not flip the script and use him in connection to John and his story where we all love already.

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chronic lumbago

While I'm against character deaths, wouldn't it be a great move if Arthur dies at the end and we play as John instead?

 

The difference between this and the first game would be that we actually get to play as a character we know and love, while in RDR we just jump into Jack's shoes without knowing much about him.

 

If they kill their protag off, that's the only way I'm going to be satisfied.

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R* lover

According to a leak we will can play as John Marston.

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Galehaut

I'm calling it.

 

RDR2 will be a prequel , sidequel and sequel.

 

All of them.

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Rafae

While I'm against character deaths, wouldn't it be a great move if Arthur dies at the end and we play as John instead?

 

The difference between this and the first game would be that we actually get to play as a character we know and love, while in RDR we just jump into Jack's shoes without knowing much about him.

 

If they kill their protag off, that's the only way I'm going to be satisfied.

I would love this but that would be such a redundant thing for Rockstar to do after doing it already in RDR

 

Regardless of who we get to control, the scenarios are too similar and unlikely to happen.

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MCMXCII

According to a leak we will can play as John Marston.

No way! I've always wanted to play as John Marston!
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Yinepi

Maybe they dont consider RDR1 as canon anymore, like they did with gta 3d and hd era, RDRevolver 3D era, RDR1 sub HD era, RDR2 HD era

Yet Revolver characters appear in Redemption 1 multiplayer as playable characters with fully voiced dialogue literally confirming their existence in this profound HD universe. But yet again this is Rockstar logic we have to deal with. It's like trying to decipher the meaning of life with them.

 

 

 

Maybe we'll kill John in this game.

This is actually interesting. What if Morgan had a fallout with the gang that made Marston eventually betray Morgan and then go to never speak of his name again, and Morgan somehow grew resentment in the late game and decided to collaborate with the law enforcement to take down Marston and Dutch's gang initiating the Redemption 1 events. Oh the potential that Rockstar are unlikely to capitalize on.

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Jimmy

RDR2 is a prequel and it's obvious that Marston is alive. I'm hoping to see him in-game or atleast him being referred at some point.

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Brutal Trout

Maybe we'll kill John in this game.

 

Most probably the other way around.

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Jimmy

 

Maybe we'll kill John in this game.

Most probably the other way around.

 

I certainly hope that it doesn't happen as there is no reference to Arthur in RDR1.

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Brutal Trout

 

 

Maybe we'll kill John in this game.

Most probably the other way around.

 

I certainly hope that it doesn't happen as there is no reference to Arthur in RDR1.

 

 

Maybe because he died.

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TheOriginalGunslinger

Now, Undead Nightmare is starting to all make sense. Maybe, Arthur drank one of a younger Nigel West Dickens' potions way back then and turned into Seth 20 or 30 something years later and stole the secret mask in the cave.

 

 

I'm kidding...

 

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BLOOD_WOLF

It would be very awesome, if we can switch characters and play both as John and Arthur. I understand this is an assumed leak, but Rockstar has a way of changing their ideas. Playing as a Younger John and Arthur will set the bar high for RD2. Not only will it ad depth, but it will allow the player to enjoy a possible good and bad side between the both.

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Johnson Johnson

Jon Marsten is death

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SaINtMaRc

John Marston | Dutch Van Der Linde | Bill Williamson & Co will be in RDR2.

 

It was kinda predicted awhile ago it would be a prequel but hey not everyone follows it all so I'm happy you caught up.

 

I've been discussing this on another topic. But I'd imagine they wouldn't put John too close to Morgan unless it's too close it hurts. I wouldn't be surprised if John was to appear within the starting mission on a train robbery. And Morgan tells him the night before to get out because it'll go to sh*t essentially. As the day comes in John shows up to the meet for the robbery w/Morgan, Dutch etc. Morgan looks at him and John looks back knowing what was said. Morgan with disappointment. John with Innocence and stubbornness.

 

They go and hit the train and Morgan or someone catches John in the crossfire. Or pinkertons hit him with a bullet. Morgan goes to get him but Dutch and Bill are like leave the kid there's no time so they all jump from the train saddle up and ride out of state leaving John injured and surrounded by pinkertons.

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SHADOW OPS

Really sad that someone admitting they hate someone because they disagree with their opinion gets likes. Blaster you have to either ignore certain people or keep your composure.

 

They want you to get upset, do not give them the satisfaction. Take it from me. I have learned to ignore the negativity, lies and hatred. Don't let them bait you.

 

Rise above and ignore or follow the immortal words of Michael Jordan.

 

Don't let them rattle you.

 

I look forward to this game regardless of the characters because I really enjoyed RDR.

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Hunter S. Compton

 

While I'm against character deaths, wouldn't it be a great move if Arthur dies at the end and we play as John instead?

 

The difference between this and the first game would be that we actually get to play as a character we know and love, while in RDR we just jump into Jack's shoes without knowing much about him.

 

If they kill their protag off, that's the only way I'm going to be satisfied.

I would love this but that would be such a redundant thing for Rockstar to do after doing it already in RDR

 

Regardless of who we get to control, the scenarios are too similar and unlikely to happen.

 

I'll say it until I'm blue in the face. There's no way Arthur doesn't die at the end of this game.

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UshaB

While I'm against character deaths, wouldn't it be a great move if Arthur dies at the end and we play as John instead?

 

 

And the game ends where we first began. Stepping off the Morningstar ferry to Blackwater, completing the story in whole. Wouldn't mind that at all,

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SaINtMaRc

 

While I'm against character deaths, wouldn't it be a great move if Arthur dies at the end and we play as John instead?

 

And the game ends where we first began. Stepping off the Morningstar ferry to Blackwater, completing the story in whole. Wouldn't mind that at all,

Thats doesn't seem right in a way though. I mean in a sense you'd be rewriting history because Marston rushed straight into action in the original. Whereas you'd be left with but a few side missions and nothing else.

 

Thats what keeps putting me off the Marston playable character idea. The only way around it is if Morgan dies before Marston and the gang do the robbery where Marston is left for dead. Sometime when Marston would've set up the ranch when Morgan said get your ass out of this shh because it's falling apart (in his own words ofcourse 😂)

 

Then part of me thinks Marston will be in the first sequence and then not be seen again. Maybe a timescale to the future where Marston is then at the ranch before the pinkertons came for him.

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Hunter S. Compton

 

 

While I'm against character deaths, wouldn't it be a great move if Arthur dies at the end and we play as John instead?

 

And the game ends where we first began. Stepping off the Morningstar ferry to Blackwater, completing the story in whole. Wouldn't mind that at all,

Thats doesn't seem right in a way though. I mean in a sense you'd be rewriting history because Marston rushed straight into action in the original. Whereas you'd be left with but a few side missions and nothing else.

 

Thats what keeps putting me off the Marston playable character idea. The only way around it is if Morgan dies before Marston and the gang do the robbery where Marston is left for dead. Sometime when Marston would've set up the ranch when Morgan said get your ass out of this shh because it's falling apart (in his own words ofcourse )

 

Then part of me thinks Marston will be in the first sequence and then not be seen again. Maybe a timescale to the future where Marston is then at the ranch before the pinkertons came for him.

 

I think you're fundamentally misrespresenting the timeline here. The robbery that f*cked up John was in 1906, and the first game takes place in 1911. It's entirely possible for John ro get shot and for Arthur to die and then youre John, no longer in the gang either. It wouldn't make sense for this to lead all the way up to RDR1 unless there are some serious time jumps, but that doesn't preclude John's playability by any means.

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SaINtMaRc

 

 

 

While I'm against character deaths, wouldn't it be a great move if Arthur dies at the end and we play as John instead?

 

And the game ends where we first began. Stepping off the Morningstar ferry to Blackwater, completing the story in whole. Wouldn't mind that at all,

Thats doesn't seem right in a way though. I mean in a sense you'd be rewriting history because Marston rushed straight into action in the original. Whereas you'd be left with but a few side missions and nothing else.

 

Thats what keeps putting me off the Marston playable character idea. The only way around it is if Morgan dies before Marston and the gang do the robbery where Marston is left for dead. Sometime when Marston would've set up the ranch when Morgan said get your ass out of this shh because it's falling apart (in his own words ofcourse )

 

Then part of me thinks Marston will be in the first sequence and then not be seen again. Maybe a timescale to the future where Marston is then at the ranch before the pinkertons came for him.

 

I think you're fundamentally misrespresenting the timeline here. The robbery that f*cked up John was in 1906, and the first game takes place in 1911. It's entirely possible for John ro get shot and for Arthur to die and then youre John, no longer in the gang either. It wouldn't make sense for this to lead all the way up to RDR1 unless there are some serious time jumps, but that doesn't preclude John's playability by any means.

After John is shot he isn't going to be allowed to walk free. The pinkies will have him held down away from his ranch and family until the time he is given freedom if he kills the other gang members of his past. So I don't see how you can be Marston at that time. You'd be In lock up away from the main map.

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Hunter S. Compton

After John is shot he isn't going to be allowed to walk free. The pinkies will have him held down away from his ranch and family until the time he is given freedom if he kills the other gang members of his past. So I don't see how you can be Marston at that time. You'd be In lock up away from the main map.

 

But I don't think it's ever specified that he was arrested after the failed heist, just that he left the gang. He wasn't necessarily captured, the gang just left him for dead. It's possible he was just rescued by Abigail or something.

 

In fact here are some quotes to prove my point:

 

He says to Bonnie "I'm married. I have a son. I had a daughter, but she died. Years before that I rode in a gang." So he had a daughter after leaving the gang but before 1911.

 

When Bonnie asks him about his farming he says he's "only been at it 3 years or so" so we know he started his farm ~1908. This seems to be the hardest evidence that he did not go directly from being an outlaw to being in custody.

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spincther

I think John Marston is the kid the protagonist is talking to when he says "When it comes time for it. I'll keep your mother in black, on your behalf"

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