Players are voting for you to be removed from the session. Improve your behavior or you will be kicked.

[Standard Deluxe 59]

1 hour ago, Arrows to Athens said:

Well, they're giving him a reason to not mind his own business, so it's not his fault. 

I do the same thing if some random group lands in a solo session that I created and decides to vote kick me. The old Fully Loaded Ruiner comes out and gives them hell for ten or twenty minutes or however long fully loaded lasts. 

[Yellow Dog with Cone]

1 hour ago, Standard Deluxe 59 said:

I do the same thing if some random group lands in a solo session that I created and decides to vote kick me. The old Fully Loaded Ruiner comes out and gives them hell for ten or twenty minutes or however long fully loaded lasts. 

But then again, you could just, I dunno, leave?

 

I mean, no offense guys, but are your prides seriously that hurt after realizing that you're not wanted in a certain session?

 

I myself have landed in several crew sessions or groups of friends wanting to do their own thing, just to be swiftly kicked before I could even hit the "Find new session" button. It would be nice if they asked me to leave beforehand? Yes, it would. But if they go straight to kick me, why the hell I'm staying there? It's pretty obvious that they don't want me there, warranted or not, it would be outright petty from me to force my stay there, I'm just wasting both my time and theirs.

 

And nope, I wouldn't be teaching them a lesson to not abuse the Kick function if I grief them in relatation, if anything it would be the exact opposite, I would only enforce their beliefs that they did the right thing into trying to preemptively trying to kick me in the first place.

 

The worst part about all of this is that this sh*tshow could have been avoided if R* either balanced the game properly, let us sell legitimately on Invite sessions or even better, both. But they wouldn't do that and apparently they never will (seeing how they patched out being able to source or resupply on Invite sessions through the Master Control Terminal in like less than a day), so we're stuck with this nonsensical vicious circle in which everyone loses except for R* and Take Two, I guess.

[effenG]

You do you. Remember my name: cross me and I will use every trick and tool I have to eff you up because I think it’s funny. Fairly warned be thee says I.

Edited March 16, 2020 by effenG

[Standard Deluxe 59]

33 minutes ago, YELLOW ZOOMER WITH DRONE said:

But then again, you could just, I dunno, leave?

Well before I knew what the hell an MTU setting was and how I could use that to guarantee a solo session, I had to keep hitting "find new session" until it eventually put me in a solo one. Sometimes it only took a couple tries, other times it could take upwards of twenty minutes before I finally got one. When some random group landed in a session that wasted twenty minutes of my time to get, decide to just say "there's some random dude in here, let's kick him even though he was here first", I'm gonna be more than just a tad disgruntled. I never destroyed their crates or mc business crap, but I made it a point to waste their time since they were gonna cause me to have wasted mine. 

 

42 minutes ago, YELLOW ZOOMER WITH DRONE said:

 

I mean, no offense guys, but are your prides seriously that hurt after realizing that you're not wanted in a certain session?

I was only talking about when others would land in my session and vote kick me. If I land in some seemingly crew or friend dominated grinding session I leave on my own. If I land in someone's solo public session, I leave on my own. Odds are I got kicked for idling from my invite only session anyway. 

 

50 minutes ago, YELLOW ZOOMER WITH DRONE said:

The worst part about all of this is that this sh*tshow could have been avoided if R* either balanced the game properly, let us sell legitimately on Invite sessions or even better, both. But they wouldn't do that and apparently they never will (seeing how they patched out being able to source or resupply on Invite sessions through the Master Control Terminal in like less than a day), so we're stuck with this nonsensical vicious circle in which everyone loses except for R* and Take Two, I guess.

And herein lies the main problem. I agree that they should just let us sell in private sessions legitimately because it would solve many issues that exist with the current system. 

[Yellow Dog with Cone]

46 minutes ago, Standard Deluxe 59 said:

Well before I knew what the hell an MTU setting was and how I could use that to guarantee a solo session, I had to keep hitting "find new session" until it eventually put me in a solo one. Sometimes it only took a couple tries, other times it could take upwards of twenty minutes before I finally got one. When some random group landed in a session that wasted twenty minutes of my time to get, decide to just say "there's some random dude in here, let's kick him even though he was here first", I'm gonna be more than just a tad disgruntled. I never destroyed their crates or mc business crap, but I made it a point to waste their time since they were gonna cause me to have wasted mine.

That's actually another issue, since Gunrunning I think the game sometimes merges sessions, from their point of view it would look like if you joined their session and from your own point of view it would be the opposite, further adding to the confusion.

 

At least you're wasting their time and not their investments in cargo and the like, I can respect that.

 

48 minutes ago, Standard Deluxe 59 said:

I was only talking about when others would land in my session and vote kick me. If I land in some seemingly crew or friend dominated grinding session I leave on my own. If I land in someone's solo public session, I leave on my own. Odds are I got kicked for idling from my invite only session anyway. 

Oh don't get me wrong, I wasn't referring to you in particular, but to everyone who says that they would attack other players for trying to vote to kick them, hence the use of the word "guys". My apologies if my post seemed directed at you, which wasn't my intention, maybe I should had been more clear.

 

50 minutes ago, Standard Deluxe 59 said:

And herein lies the main problem. I agree that they should just let us sell in private sessions legitimately because it would solve many issues that exist with the current system. 

Exactly.

 

Sadly, it seems like if R* doesn't consider to fix it, or even worse, they don't consider it a problem at all.

[Standard Deluxe 59]

21 minutes ago, YELLOW ZOOMER WITH DRONE said:

That's actually another issue, since Gunrunning I think the game sometimes merges sessions, from their point of view it would look like if you joined their session and from your own point of view it would be the opposite, further adding to the confusion.

Hmm, that's the first I ever heard of that. But yeah it's definitely more confusing. 

 

22 minutes ago, YELLOW ZOOMER WITH DRONE said:

At least you're wasting their time and not their investments in cargo and the like, I can respect that.

It ain't worth it to me to do that. A paltry two grand for turning a slow van into a mangled smoldering bunch of pixels? What for? I know the tedium of filling crate warehouses and moving mc business/bunker product in slower than molasses vehicles. 

 

34 minutes ago, YELLOW ZOOMER WITH DRONE said:

Oh don't get me wrong, I wasn't referring to you in particular, but to everyone who says that they would attack other players for trying to vote to kick them, hence the use of the word "guys". My apologies if my post seemed directed at you, which wasn't my intention, maybe I should had been more clear.

It's all good, no worries. 

 

35 minutes ago, YELLOW ZOOMER WITH DRONE said:

Sadly, it seems like if R* doesn't consider to fix it, or even worse, they don't consider it a problem at all.

I think you hit the nail on the head with "they don't consider it a problem at all."  

[Big Molio]

There is no argument from me that retaliatory attacks against those who arbitrarily vote-to-kick are likely to reinforce their prejudices. The antagonism is endless and circular.

Edited March 16, 2020 by Big Molio

[nealmac]

On 3/14/2020 at 1:06 AM, KickinnBackk said:

I'm not sure how, but this needs to be changed. I usually mind my own business when I'm playing, but sometimes I'm in the mood to do, ya know, GTA stuff against other players. This game is all about building a criminal empire and being at the top with little to no competition. Granted it's a game, and there technically is no real competition, but it is promoted as such. Therefore destroying your competition to remain on top is more than implied.

 

So when I'm running around destroying my competition why is it alright to vote kick me, or anyone doing the same, out of a lobby?

You already answered your own question further up your post. There is no "competition". Even though the game tells you there is, anyone with an IQ of more than 2 knows otherwise. If you are going round killing other players for no reason, and generally being an annoying douchebag, of course they're gonna vote kick you, and they have every right to.

[nealmac]

On 3/14/2020 at 3:14 PM, KickinnBackk said:

As I already stated, it is literally promoted to do such with prompts that pop up, on the screen mind you, and in big bold letters even, telling you to "destroy the competition" (maybe not those exact words, but it's implied). Anyone doing so is quite literally playing exactly as the game was intended. So, I'm being a dick because I'm playing the game the way Rockstar designed it?

And anyone that believes that this is a cool way to play the game is a dick, and deserves to be kicked. It also makes you quite gullible, for being taken in by Rockstar's bullsh*t like that. It's commonly accepted that the old "the game told me to do it" excuse is trash.

On 3/14/2020 at 4:18 PM, dragosani00 said:

Stuff that, no-one owns a lobby and this kind of self entitled behaviour annoys me. If I get put in a lobby and immediately start to get vote kicked because someone's decided they want it to themselves the first thing I do is start Haulage to prevent the kicking, call up my Akula and give them exactly what their entitled little arses don't want for the next 20 minutes.

To be fair, if you're getting vote kicked from lots of lobbies for griefing, that should tell you that the majority of people that play the game are opposed to griefing, and therefore opposed to Rockstar's policies.

Edited March 16, 2020 by nealmac

[nealmac]

On 3/14/2020 at 6:10 PM, KickinnBackk said:

It's as simple as this. Dick moves or not, if you can't handle playing an online PvP game, don't play. If you can't handle people playing the way the game was intended to be played, don't play. If you don't like getting beat, don't play PvP. Go to a private session, lag out session, or invite only session. Otherwise, get your band of crybabies together and go tell Rockstar to redesign their game based around how and what you want it to be. See how well that goes for ya.

And if you can't handle being kicked from a lobby, by a feature that was added BY Rockstar, then don't be crying about it. Your hypocrisy on this thread is astounding.

[Hécate-II]

 

6 hours ago, effenG said:

You do you. Remember my name: cross me and I will use every trick and tool I have to eff you up because I think it’s funny. Fairly warned be thee says I.

You sound like that. 

"What the f*ck did you just f*cking say about me, you little bitch? I'll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Bad Sports lobbies on Xbox 360, and I've been involved in numerous freemode wars on new gen consoles, and I have over 300 confirmed kills with my MK2. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I'm the top sniper in my entire tryhard crew. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the f*ck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my f*cking words. You think you can get away with saying that sh*t to me over the Internet? Think again, f*cker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of modders accross and your xbox account is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You're f*cking dead, kid. I can be in any session, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that's just with my orbital. Not only am I extensively trained in AW combat, but I have access to an entire garage filled with Deluxo and Oppressor MK2 and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little sh*t. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little "clever" votekick was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your f*cking tongue. But you couldn't, you didn't, and now you're paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will sh*t fury all over you and you will drown in it. You're f*cking dead, kiddo."

Edited March 16, 2020 by Hécate-II

[nealmac]

7 hours ago, effenG said:

You do you. Remember my name: cross me and I will use every trick and tool I have to eff you up because I think it’s funny. Fairly warned be thee says I.

Are you 7 years old?

[dragosani00]

On 3/14/2020 at 4:18 PM, dragosani00 said:

Stuff that, no-one owns a lobby and this kind of self entitled behaviour annoys me. If I get put in a lobby and immediately start to get vote kicked because someone's decided they want it to themselves the first thing I do is start Haulage to prevent the kicking, call up my Akula and give them exactly what their entitled little arses don't want for the next 20 minutes.

 

1 hour ago, nealmac said:

To be fair, if you're getting vote kicked from lots of lobbies for griefing, that should you that the majority of people that play the game are opposed to griefing, and therefore opposed to Rockstar's policies.

I am not getting vote kicked from lobbies for griefing though & never said I was. I think you mis-understood my point which was in relation to getting vote kicked simply from being put in a lobby where a group of self entitled players were assuming ownership of said lobby.

[nealmac]

19 minutes ago, dragosani00 said:

I am not getting vote kicked from lobbies for griefing though & never said I was. I think you mis-understood my point which was in relation to getting vote kicked simply from being put in a lobby where a group of self entitled players were assuming ownership of said lobby.

Chill. I wasn't referring to you specifically. I said "you" in a general sense.

[effenG]

1 hour ago, nealmac said:

Are you 7 years old?

Oh, it's much, much worse than that- I'm waaay too old to be wasting time in this silly video game yet here I am. It's really quite infantile of me. I also shadow players doing their jobs to protect them in my Akula. I do heists for no payout. I notice when a KD warrior is farming the lobby and I get involved. And, though it doesn't happen often, I make a beeline for the crew who voted to kick me for no good reason- it really brings out the absolute worst in me 

[Big Molio]

5 hours ago, nealmac said:

And if you can't handle being kicked from a lobby, by a feature that was added BY Rockstar, then don't be crying about it. Your hypocrisy on this thread is astounding.

It's not really hypocrisy, it's simply two opposing views of the same argument I would say. On the one side you have players who want to play the Freemode games or carry out the business activities without interference who will arbitrarily use the kick feature to remove players they perceive to be a potential obstacle to that.

 

On the other you have players who see engagement in the Freemode games and the destruction and theft of cargo and vehicles as legitimate game-play because of how it is promoted, encouraged and rewarded by the developer, and thus see the kicks as petulant and entitled behaviour. 

 

There isn't any one party who has the moral high-ground in my opinion. It's a dilemma, for sure.

[J-Scott-D]

17 hours ago, f(x)ck said:

I can understand wanting to kick griefers but it's pretty dickish to kick people who are minding their business and trying to sell their cargo. 

Or just logging into a public session to purchase Bunker supplies for research.

 

That happened to me at least 3 times on two of my characters. Their ranks and K/Ds were fairly low during that time.

[nealmac]

1 hour ago, Big Molio said:

It's not really hypocrisy, it's simply two opposing views of the same argument I would say. On the one side you have players who want to play the Freemode games or carry out the business activities without interference who will arbitrarily use the kick feature to remove players they perceive to be a potential obstacle to that.

 

On the other you have players who see engagement in the Freemode games and the destruction and theft of cargo and vehicles as legitimate game-play because of how it is promoted, encouraged and rewarded by the developer, and thus see the kicks as petulant and entitled behaviour. 

 

There isn't any one party who has the moral high-ground in my opinion. It's a dilemma, for sure.

It's hypocrisy in the sense that he's using the "if you can't handle the heat" argument, while simultaneously not being able to handle the heat himself. Griefing and kicking are both "legitimate" aspects of the game, and the fact that they both exist, is completely intentional on Rockstar's part. So even though they can have differing opinions, they are both moaning about aspects of the game that Rockstar considers to be legit.

[Big Molio]

1 hour ago, nealmac said:

It's hypocrisy in the sense that he's using the "if you can't handle the heat" argument, while simultaneously not being able to handle the heat himself. Griefing and kicking are both "legitimate" aspects of the game, and the fact that they both exist, is completely intentional on Rockstar's part. So even though they can have differing opinions, they are both moaning about aspects of the game that Rockstar considers to be legit.

I know. But there is this dichotomy where each "side" believes that their approach is legit, and the other side is simply abusing the "features" inherent to the game. I tend to come down on the side of the people who go after cargo and I/E vehicles, even though I don't destroy cargo. I will attempt to steal players' I/E delivery vehicles though, because not only is it a legitimate form of game-play, but it is also true to the spirit of what GTA is at its core, and that is stealing cars. I don't think it is too heinous to rip off cars from each other. (I actually make the player chase me round the map for it, or fly the car under the Cargobob to the top of Chiliad or to one of the islands and leave it there)

[effenG]

Griefing is unprovoked. What we’re talking about is retaliation. Voting to kick a player who has not been aggressive isn’t just rude- it is risky. It may cost you. End transmission.

Edited March 16, 2020 by effenG

[Black-Dragon96]

1 hour ago, effenG said:

Griefing is unprovoked. What we’re talking about is retaliation. Voting to kick a player who has not been aggressive isn’t just rude- it is risky. It may cost you. End transmission.

Well sooner or later people will find a way to boot you offline.

Way I see it you are only making it worse for yourself because you can bet your a$$ that the people you attack in "retaliation" will never ever think twice about kicking somebody since you have just prooven to them that all randoms are hostile. 

But hey what do I care. If someone wants to stick around in a lobby that wants him gone that just means that I found myself a practice target for my P996.

[StangOne50]

10 hours ago, Black-Dragon96 said:

Well sooner or later people will find a way to boot you offline.

Way I see it you are only making it worse for yourself because you can bet your a$$ that the people you attack in "retaliation" will never ever think twice about kicking somebody since you have just prooven to them that all randoms are hostile. 

But hey what do I care. If someone wants to stick around in a lobby that wants him gone that just means that I found myself a practice target for my P996.

If he said he he only attacks in retaliation after being kicked how does that prove that all randoms are hostile? That makes no sense. You cant say for sure if a player would be hostile or not, but kicking him for no reason would sure raise the chances of him becoming hostile.

[The-Great-Cornholio]

I once got a free private room. I invited 1 Peron then that 1 person invited his friends. His friends didn't know me and panicked and voted to kick me and I was out creating outfits

[menutje]

I recently joined a grinders clan. They were very difficult to get into. They screen your friendslist and everything just to see if you're not related to grievers.

It's amazing to be in this clan, randoms get messaged, if they do not leave by free will the clanchat will be notified and everyone has to vote-kick the player. Players who are inactive and didn't help to vote-kick randoms are not allowed to stay in the clan.

We do everything we can to avoid grievers from taking our sessions, everone not with our clantag is not allowed in the session. End of story, we create the sessions, they are OUR sessions. Not public, but public accesbile.

 

Since joining this crew making money in gta became a fun thing to do again. f*ck all of you grievers who try to f*ck with us, you'll get our defence  squad on your ass every second you're in the lobby if you are agressive towards us. We'll leave you alone, but show 1 moment that you might attack us and you're done for. You won't move an inch from your respawn point untill the vote-kick has been processed or until you leave by yourself.

 

I wish I didn't have to resort to this, I would prefer people chasing me while i'm doing cargo, trying to kill me and they deliver the cargo somewhere else, would be hella fun. Not with rockets who insta-kill you. Stupid mk2 grievers everywhere. If gta was a game with mainly bullets this grieving wouldn't be a problem but a fun part of the game, but no, it's always an explosion and insta-death.

 

If you have fun destroying others people hard work for a measle 2k, you are a sh*tty person. Yes it's just my opinion.

 

I'm not going to advertise the clan, but if you're looking for something like my clan, you'll find it if you search.

[EkaSwede]

God I can't wait for this topic to be buried into obscurity until ANOTHER day one user resurrects it in some dull attempt to flew because they most likely got banned off of Steam forums and reddit prior to making a new account here.

[Black-Dragon96]

5 hours ago, StangOne50 said:

If he said he he only attacks in retaliation after being kicked how does that prove that all randoms are hostile? That makes no sense. You cant say for sure if a player would be hostile or not, but kicking him for no reason would sure raise the chances of him becoming hostile.

You have to think, like the people who are kicking you.

They are scared sh*tless and think everybody is out to get them, or might know somebody who is out to get them, or the session might get more populated etc.

They consider EVERYONE who joins hostile.

By actually going hostile you will enforce their believe. The best way would be to start messaging them yourself and tell them you are friendly/just there to make money. If you are lucky they will believe you.

 

Its basicly like the dog that got beaten by its previous owner. To stop it from biting you have to gain his trust.

[Big Molio]

4 hours ago, menutje said:

f*ck all of you grievers who try to f*ck with us, you'll get our defence  squad on your ass every second you're in the lobby if you are agressive towards us. We'll leave you alone, but show 1 moment that you might attack us and you're done for. You won't move an inch from your respawn point untill the vote-kick has been processed or until you leave by yourself.

If you have a "defence squad" why do you need to vote-kick people?

 

Having such a group of players to defend and repel hostiles in order to protect your precious cargo is pretty much playing the game as intended.
 

I salute crews who are obviously well-organised and move their stuff around with plenty of armed support. All power to them.

Edited March 17, 2020 by Big Molio

[StangOne50]

15 minutes ago, Black-Dragon96 said:

You have to think, like the people who are kicking you.

They are scared sh*tless and think everybody is out to get them, or might know somebody who is out to get them, or the session might get more populated etc.

They consider EVERYONE who joins hostile.

By actually going hostile you will enforce their believe. The best way would be to start messaging them yourself and tell them you are friendly/just there to make money. If you are lucky they will believe you.

 

Its basicly like the dog that got beaten by its previous owner. To stop it from biting you have to gain his trust.

I know why they are kicking the guy lol I was just responding to your statement that by him becoming aggressive after they kicked him proves all randoms are hostile. The point was that he was not being hostile and by making an aggressive move like kicking him for no reason, they pretty much caused the hostility they were trying to avoid. And I dont disagree with them for kicking him but at the same time its not fair for the guy minding his business. Idk it works both ways and will run in a never ending cycle.

 

 

[Black-Dragon96]

6 hours ago, StangOne50 said:

The point was that he was not being hostile and by making an aggressive move like kicking him for no reason, they pretty much caused the hostility they were trying to avoid.

Well they did consider him hostile, simply on their experience with griefers.

You could be the nicest guy on the planet and that would not change a thing since they cant look into your head.

They dont consider the kicking a hostile action, its more of a "go away, k thx bye" for them.

If the guy they kick now goes apesh*t, in their eyes he will attack unprovoked, enforcing their believe that he is just another a toxic griefer.

[StangOne50]

7 minutes ago, Black-Dragon96 said:

They dont consider the kicking a hostile action, its more of a "go away, k thx bye" for them.

If the guy they kick now goes apesh*t, in their eyes he will attack unprovoked, enforcing their believe that he is just another a toxic griefer.

You say "they" and I need to think like them but Ive been them dude, I am them lol. Ive played both sides. I just dont get your reasoning. If I kick someone for no reason I know Im being a dick and Im pissing them off. If he goes ape sh*t its because I kicked him. But you act like he should be ok with it and happily leave when hes just going about his business like you are. Dont try to cherry coat it and say its not hostile haha By abusing the system you/I are the toxic griefers. Like I said a never ending cycle. Its like asking what came first the chicken or the egg lol