Players are voting for you to be removed from the session. Improve your behavior or you will be kicked.

[Guest]

I joined a session last night and got a message saying "sorry after going through much bs lately we ask you to leave or kick" my response was please don't kick me im just trying to sell my coke n bunker promise no problems. They let me stay they got on the mic and talked to me and we came to the agreement if anybody else joins outside of my friends to kick them, I thought that was pretty cool.

So you had to beg to stay in a public session.

 

This is why the game has gone down the tubes.

[Lonely-Martin]

 

I joined a session last night and got a message saying "sorry after going through much bs lately we ask you to leave or kick" my response was please don't kick me im just trying to sell my coke n bunker promise no problems. They let me stay they got on the mic and talked to me and we came to the agreement if anybody else joins outside of my friends to kick them, I thought that was pretty cool.

So you had to beg to stay in a public session.

 

This is why the game has gone down the tubes.

 

It's called a truce dopey. The game encourages interaction. Doesn't all have to be versus though.

 

Though, TBH, the 'begging' claims were genuinely funny, lol.

Edited March 14, 2018 by KWF1981

[Guest]

The player(s) who sent the message saying leave or be kicked were not interested in a truce they were bullying the player to leave and had every intention to forcefully remove them if the player didn't bend over and take it.

 

It's bullying. It's cowardly. A player should never have to beg to remain in a public session.

 

Is it a truce if a mugger says "give me your money or I'll shoot you" and you beg for your life and somehow talk them around it? No.

 

 

 

 

 

^ Yeah, we disagree. Moving on.

Move on then ffs.

 

 

Edited March 14, 2018 by Guest

[Lonely-Martin]

^ Ended in a truce, means they were most definitely open to it. Hell, they ended up chatting too.

 

Friendly rivals FTW.

 

(As I said, I was done, then. But you post bollocks, I will balance it with a valid counter - If you agree or not ).

[Guest]

Ok, so where's the valid counter argument?

 

The dude still begged to stay in a public lobby.

[Lonely-Martin]

Ok, so where's the valid counter argument?

 

The dude still begged to stay in a public lobby.

 

How did he beg?. Folks asked that they'd prefer he leave so as to avoid crap they said they've recently had.

 

He returned, just asking to make peace and work together, as friendly rivals. they did.

 

They then even went on to talk and further their potential friendship/peaceful accord with each other.

 

Co-op gaming at it's best. All win. No need to beg, no need to kick.

 

They communicated, and all went well...

 

Imagine that!

 

Asking, is not begging, lol.

Edited March 14, 2018 by KWF1981

[Black-Dragon96]

The player(s) who sent the message saying leave or be kicked were not interested in a truce they were bullying the player to leave and had every intention to forcefully remove them if the player didn't bend over and take it.

If they wouldn't have been interested in a truce, he wouldn't have been able to stay in the session. They obviously were interested in a peacefull solution because they let him stay after exchanging a few messages.

[HeavyDuke]

Show them what real pain is.

Go in dry, let them bite the pillow.

[Yellow Dog with Cone]

Got kicked from a lobby today while I was trying to glitch my supplies.

 

Annoying? Yeah, kinda, had to start the whole process over again.

 

Did I threw a hissy fit because of it? Nah.

 

 

Could I have griefed them back in relatation? Of course, but I choosed not to, why become the very reason they kicked me in the first place? I'm way better than that.

 

I landed in another session and carried on with my day.

[Big Molio]

Got kicked from a lobby today while I was trying to glitch my supplies.

 

Annoying? Yeah, kinda, had to start the whole process over again.

 

Did I threw a hissy fit because of it? Nah.

 

 

Could I have griefed them back in relatation? Of course, but I choosed not to, why become the very reason they kicked me in the first place? I'm way better than that.

 

I landed in another session and carried on with my day.

 

Edited March 14, 2018 by Big Molio

[Guest]

 

Ok, so where's the valid counter argument?

 

The dude still begged to stay in a public lobby.

How did he beg?. Folks asked that they'd prefer he leave so as to avoid crap they said they've recently had.

 

He returned, just asking to make peace and work together, as friendly rivals. they did.

 

They then even went on to talk and further their potential friendship/peaceful accord with each other.

 

Co-op gaming at it's best. All win. No need to beg, no need to kick.

 

They communicated, and all went well...

 

Imagine that!

 

Asking, is not begging, lol.

You seriously believe what you're posting?

 

They demanded he leave or be kicked.

He pleaded to stay.

This is bullying and begging.

 

They did not ask any question. It was not a request to be peaceful but a demand to leave the session or be forced out.

 

Had he not pleaded (or begged as I put it, both mean the same thing) he would have been kicked.

 

A public session is public not private. This should not happen in a public session.

 

How is being forced to plead to stay in a session not begging? How is making threats not bullying?

[Lonely-Martin]

^ Ahh..

 

Aren't you always telling folk that no-one's forced, ever, in GTA. Hmmm...

 

Okie Dokie.

 

Man had options, and used the common sense one. Opened dialogue instead of spitting out his dummy. Win/win mate. Case closed. Even they agree there, c'mon man, stop picking everyone apart for the sake of it. Hell, he could have reported them for exploiting the system too.

 

Already agreed it shouldn't happen. Never once said it was a good thing to kick for these reasons. But it is what it is, because of these businesses predominately, and as shown, many react their own way. Some understand others POV, agree or not. Others get stroppy and sulk. As you said, this is a discussion to counter/understand that (Hopefully, see change/awareness too mind). Seems common sense and communication is a good remedy too, lol.

Edited March 14, 2018 by KWF1981

[Guest]

You're moving away from the point.

 

He had to beg to remain in a public session. Something you were extremely quick to dispute.

[Blasterman4EVER]

Got kicked from a lobby today while I was trying to glitch my supplies...

 

 

 

...the underlined portion is where I lose you and no longer have the ability to care or continue reading.

 

But.first of all.... what do you mean by trying to glitch your supplies?

 

Second of all, any complaint following the words "I was trying to glitch" will always be irrelevant!

 

Edited March 15, 2018 by Blasterman4EVER

[Yellow Dog with Cone]

 

Got kicked from a lobby today while I was trying to glitch my supplies...

 

 

...the underlined portion is where I lose you and no longer have the ability to care or continue reading.

 

But.first of all.... what do you mean by trying to glitch your supplies?

 

Second of all, any complaint following the words "I was trying to glitch" will always be irrelevant!

 

First of all, I was referring to this:

 

http://gtaforums.com/topic/874280-glitch-infinite-supplies-for-your-mc-factories/page-1

 

Second, among the myriad of glitches that abound in this game, this one is pretty harmless.

 

Third, what I was doing when I got kicked was mostly irrelevant to the aforementioned event, I could have been tuning my cars, shopping for clothes, going in a rampage through LS, it doesn't matter anyway.

 

Fourth, you may lost the ability to care or to continue reading, but you didn't lost the ability to comment anyway.

[Lonely-Martin]

^ And asks questions after saying he's out.

 

Weird how folk are not interested in the answers they seek.

 

Lol.

Edited March 15, 2018 by KWF1981

[Lonely-Martin]

You're moving away from the point.

 

He had to beg to remain in a public session. Something you were extremely quick to dispute.

You show me where he said he begged.

 

He asked, they were willing to wait his reaction/try. It worked out well. Genuinely, asking is not begging. Crikey!.

 

Really not hard to miss dude. Again, we disagree. Ahh well. <Shrugs>

 

(Apologies for double post)

Edited March 15, 2018 by KWF1981

[Guest]

Where did he beg? Are you serious right now?

 

Sending a message of "please don't kick me im just trying to sell my coke n bunker promise no problems" is begging, well technically it's pleading but;

 

 

plead

pliːd/Submit

verb

1.

make an emotional appeal.

"she pleaded with them not to gag the boy"

synonyms: beg, entreat, beseech, implore, appeal to, petition, supplicate, importune, pray to, request, ask earnestly, call on, adjure;

Source: https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=plead&oq=plead

 

You don't see the message which he was forced to send as begging or pleading?

 

 

In a public session nobody should have to beg to remain in it for doing nothing. The bullying that groups of players do in public sessions, presumably because they believe it's "their" session (entitled douches), should not happen and being forced to beg or plead to remain in the session should not be a thing at all.

 

Sure, he bent over and pleaded to stay and it worked out but why should he have had to? If they were interested in a truce they should have sent the message asking for one not a message saying "leave or be kicked".

 

However you try to swing it, he was forced to plead to remain in the session most likely because some players truly believe a public session can be owned. (FYI these are the people I tend to upset by starting a job to avoid a kick, I don't tolerate bullies)

[Xiled]

As said hundreds of times, had rockstar allowed us to play the game in private lobbies, like we could with most other activities in freemode up until the business stuff, we woudn't have to kick players out of empty lobbies, no one would have to own a lobby, no one would have to send messages about leaving, anyone who didn't want to be trolled could play the game there way not the way rockstar forces players to play. I have played in public lobbies hundreds of times so I don't have to deal with the annoying bs that is freemode now. I wanna play the game, make money, and have fun not get killed by no skill exploits or op vehicles or weapons. As the game after 2 years of this business stuff still lets us play in empty lobbies, playing the game in this way is not hurting anything or anyone. Hmm people getting annoyed when someone metagames and starts a vip work so they dont get kicked from the session. No idea why they could possibly get annoyed. You don't get to claim you don't tolerate bullies, when you troll/bully other players. Doesnt help that trolling it basically a form of cyberbullying.

[Lonely-Martin]

@ DemonicSpaceman...

 

Again, I've already agreed it shouldn't happen. None of this should. f*cking hell Demonic, you're determined to have me seen as one that thinks this is all Ok, aren't you?. It is what it is. Don't make it right. And there's f*ck all we (players) can do other than try to minimise all the crap that comes from these incidents and discuss here good ways to see this problem less and less in hope of change to benefit all as it's clear why folk do this.

 

Communicating in-game and showing a cool head though, easily the best counter for any bullsh*t really. Imagine, had you sought to be open more, you'd possibly have added another friendly to your list even. (Not saying you should or are looking for that, but that potential was gone the second you over-reacted like a petty child).

 

He didn't have to stay and ask though, as mentioned, there's many an option if presented with this scenario. You bitch and throw hissy fits. Others show maturity and just move on. So he chose to ask to stay. The others clearly showed willing too, or he'd of just been kicked. This particular incident shows both parties were reasonable in asking and giving time to see/react. As shown, many don't get that.

 

Again, ain't sh*t we can do other than make folk/R* aware. But as shown many times by R*, if it doesn't mount up to a money glitch, probably in no rush to address it. So until they do, gotta make do. And as you said these businesses shouldn't be discussed, clearly you feel there are more than just businesses as a reason vote kicking exists. I agree, though not as much a reason as businesses in my opinion. Either way, it costs folk time, R* seem good with that, lol. (And even the money glitches aren't anyway near under control either, lol).

 

Time will tell of course. I hope for many changes and much to be learned by R* for their next games, RDR2 next. Hopefully that'll show more to help players like you not feel bullied because a situation presents itself and you cannot handle or discuss things and seek a reasonable resolution.

 

Many things need attention. This is such a flawed game. IMHO. Add this to an ever growing list, but there's far worse out there than feeling you might need to bounce into another session, lol.

 

He was presented with a choice. I don't agree with that, never have. I'm just saying there are better ways to deal with it all. We players have that power that R* can never control. We can choose to be better than all that and discuss/communicate/work together out there. They want the conflict to slow the earning, lol. So we (Those guys - As players - We) took things away from the obvious pitfalls and both succeeded out there, win/win.

 

You prefer to be personally insulted and throw a tantrum, trolling here until you get your own way. Dismissing all and any reasonable discussion. Others choose to deal with it in a more mature manor and seek to communicate to see it become less an issue, and more an positive experience. Your outlook here was your downfall. You waste time and energy looking for the insult and to attack back, wasting time on bullies, those you say you hate. Why waste your time when it's clearly shown there are more productive ways to react/deal with things. (Of course, I know why. Ignoring folk you hate is tough for you, as shown here as I've been 'ignored' for a few pages now, lol).

 

The glass is half full for me and many others, it seems. Positive outlooks. Not beaten by some tit that don't know the game, or even care.

 

For you it's half empty. So defeated by this, personally so. It's a poxy game. It takes no time to switch, unless the game f*cks up. That's on R* too, surely?. For if the game was not f*cked, you'd never have an issue (time-wise) if you are bounced out for whatever reason really. Again, not saying vote kicking without good reason is something one should ever anticipate. Just that there are better ways, and they should be highlighted.

 

In that case, all parties were positive within this problem that plagues some. Both parties benefitted. This should be celebrated more, but you need to see it brought the other way and only see the negative, as that suits your claim that these businesses are not to be discussed, and that people should have this lessening options that R* show to be doing.

 

Seriously, grow up.

Edited March 15, 2018 by KWF1981

[Guest]

When did I say you think it's right? Despite you almost instantly opposing my post following the begging and that this bullying is why GTA has gone down the tubes I have never said nor implied you think bullying is right. It doesn't matter to me who thinks it's right and who thinks it's wrong, I think it's wrong and I don't tolerate bullies, simple as that. Again I would request you stop taking things so damn personally, it's not always about you!

 

"Best" is subjective. You may prefer to talk it out, I prefer to stand up to the bullies, there is no right or wrong there and I've not said otherwise. I have only said it shouldn't happen and a player shouldn't need to beg to remain in a public session for any reason (excluding genuine calls for voting to kick such as cheating and glitching).

 

He didn't ask to stay, he begged not to be kicked and explained himself. Either way, he still begged/pleaded to remain in a public session.

 

I didn't say businesses shouldn't be discussed either. I said that complaining about being forced to public is covered elsewhere and there is a better topic for that should people wish to discuss it. I'm not sure what this has to do with the begging/bullying messages you were opposing though.

 

He was presented with an ultimatum not a choice. The outcome of both options would be very similar... Spend time finding a new session or we will force you to spend time finding a new session and add bad sport points to boot. How lucky we are to have been given such a "choice".

 

Your big wall of text got boring so you'll have to excuse me for not reading it all, especially since your argument was that it wasn't begging and you don't seem to have touched on that at all. Once again, you have taken things personally when it was not stated nor implied that it was directed at you and despite continually telling you to get your narcissism in check.

 

Personal attacks and ending with "grow up" though, hypocrisy strikes. Not really sure why you feel the need to attack my character off of incorrect assumptions but whatever makes you feel better about your lackluster arguments. A long shot I know but if you'd like to respond to your arguments regarding begging it would be swell.

 

 

But you post bollocks, I will balance it with a valid counter

I'm still waiting for that valid counter to my "bollocks post" of the player being forced to beg to remain in the session. It doesn't need to be a wall of text, just simply dispute the response to the bullying message of quit or be forced out doesn't fit the description of begging/pleading to stay.

Edited March 15, 2018 by Guest

[Guest]

As said hundreds of times, had rockstar allowed us to play the game in private lobbies, like we could with most other activities in freemode up until the business stuff, we woudn't have to kick players out of empty lobbies, no one would have to own a lobby, no one would have to send messages about leaving, anyone who didn't want to be trolled could play the game there way not the way rockstar forces players to play. I have played in public lobbies hundreds of times so I don't have to deal with the annoying bs that is freemode now. I wanna play the game, make money, and have fun not get killed by no skill exploits or op vehicles or weapons. As the game after 2 years of this business stuff still lets us play in empty lobbies, playing the game in this way is not hurting anything or anyone. Hmm people getting annoyed when someone metagames and starts a vip work so they dont get kicked from the session. No idea why they could possibly get annoyed. You don't get to claim you don't tolerate bullies, when you troll/bully other players. Doesnt help that trolling it basically a form of cyberbullying.

Can you troll a troll? Is that possible? Does that really matter to you if you dislike trolls? Let the trolls troll the trolls, it takes the focus off of you, right?

 

I don't (often) bully the bullies I stand up to them and show them I will not be bullied. But let's say I did bully the bullies, why am I not allowed to be a hypocrite when there are so many others here who continually make hypocritical claims? I don't see you calling them out but I guess it's because they are on "your side".

 

You know how to play your way without issue, you have openly stated that you play in solo public and nobody joins you, continue that way, you don't hurt anyone else, you don't get hurt by anyone else, you have no real issue. And if you know how to solo public so that nobody can join you, you'll also know how to do it so that friends can join you, basically giving you what you want and that's businesses in a private session. Where's the problem? You have what you want because you have the ability to search and read.

 

Kudos on actually adding more than just "if rockstar allowed us to play the game in private lobbies..." for a change though - seriously.

[Black-Dragon96]

You don't see the message which he was forced to send as begging or pleading?

Were exactly was he forced to leave?

He could easily have started up a job making their votes worthless and griefed the sh*t out of them for the next 30 min.

And no he did not beg. He simply asked to come to an agreement so he can stay in the lobby. Asking for something or requesting something is not always begging.

 

 

In a public session nobody should have to beg to remain in it for doing nothing. The bullying that groups of players do in public sessions, presumably because they believe it's "their" session (entitled douches), should not happen and being forced to beg or plead to remain in the session should not be a thing at all.

 

Well, guess what these public run on someones Internet, so technicly the host (aka the guys internet used) is the "owner" of the session.

These people also did something that you (and others) complained that they would never do. The send the guy they were about to kick a message, giving him the chance to avoid bad sport points and opening a way to comunicate. They came to an agreement, they trusted him and his friends who might join to be peacefull.

Thats a lot of progress regarding the whole kicking issue.

If more and more people go that way instead of kicking directly we would be on a good way to solve the issues you are complaining about in this very topic. The trust starts to rebuild, thats something you should be happy about.

[Lonely-Martin]

<snip>

 

Ain't none of that about me personally buddy, ain't happening to me, lol. I just see a more positive side to things here and there. Felt it was, but again, you disagree. Fair enough.

 

And I've already expressed my contempt of your trolling here. So that will explain, not forgive/excuse mind, my lil' jab. sh*t happens.

[We Are Ninja]

 

You're moving away from the point.

 

He had to beg to remain in a public session. Something you were extremely quick to dispute.

You show me where he said he begged.

 

 

my response was PLEASE DON'T KICK ME im just trying to sell my coke n bunker promise no problems...

No player should be forced to prostrate himself before the Lobby Lords. No player should have to beg permission to play in a public lobby.

 

 

How did he beg?. Folks asked that they'd prefer he leave so as to avoid crap they said they've recently had.

Bro. They didn't ask him anything. "Folks asked that they'd prefer he leave"... You don't "ask" statements or a directives, you make them. They literally said "Leave or be kicked". In other words, "You can back out our you can be forced out". In other words, "You can leave or you can leave". In other words, "Leave 'our' lobby."

 

You keep trying to make the most colossal of dick moves seem "friendly" for some reason.

Edited March 15, 2018 by We Are Ninja

[Guest]

 

<snip>

Ain't none of that about me personally buddy, ain't happening to me, lol. I just see a more positive side to things here and there. Felt it was, but again, you disagree. Fair enough.

 

And I've already expressed my contempt of your trolling here. So that will explain, not forgive/excuse mind, my lil' jab. sh*t happens.

 

Jab away, it amuses me. Just don't jab away then claim I'm being mean to you when clearly that is not the case. On the other hand, don't complain if I do jab back.

 

So still no valid counter following my "bollocks post"? Shame.

 

 

 

 

You don't see the message which he was forced to send as begging or pleading?

Were exactly was he forced to leave?

 

Are you really this slow or is it an act? Did I ever say he was forced to leave? Learn to read if you insist on responding to me.

 

 

He could easily have started up a job making their votes worthless and griefed the sh*t out of them for the next 30 min.

And no he did not beg. He simply asked to come to an agreement so he can stay in the lobby. Asking for something or requesting something is not always begging.

Asking is in the form of a question. He didn't ask a question, he pleaded not to be kicked and stated his business. I believe this is not the first time I have explained that, please read the topic.

 

 

 

In a public session nobody should have to beg to remain in it for doing nothing. The bullying that groups of players do in public sessions, presumably because they believe it's "their" session (entitled douches), should not happen and being forced to beg or plead to remain in the session should not be a thing at all.

Well, guess what these public run on someones Internet, so technicly the host (aka the guys internet used) is the "owner" of the session.

These people also did something that you (and others) complained that they would never do. The send the guy they were about to kick a message, giving him the chance to avoid bad sport points and opening a way to comunicate. They came to an agreement, they trusted him and his friends who might join to be peacefull.

Thats a lot of progress regarding the whole kicking issue.

If more and more people go that way instead of kicking directly we would be on a good way to solve the issues you are complaining about in this very topic. The trust starts to rebuild, thats something you should be happy about.

 

A lot of gibberish among that but I guess you're attempting to claim that a P2P network of players runs on someone's internet and that there is a host? Which is incorrect. Research it, I am not about to explain the fundamentals of P2P networking to someone with a track record of struggling to understand the most simple of posts.

Again, making things up though. I have never said messages never come. I have never complained that messages would never come. You are incredibly incorrect and stating things which are just untrue - again.

The message he received wasn't exactly ideal however I have stated that this is the way to solve the issues many times (however with a better message rather than simply "leave or be kicked"). This is what was being posted by those of us against misuse of kick way back at the start of this topic, it was a good suggestion then, nothing has changed that.

Edited March 15, 2018 by Guest

[Lonely-Martin]

I never meant it as an excuse for the issue guys. Just that good came from bad. IMO. A good thing. That is all.

 

Enjoy.

[We Are Ninja]

You acknowledge that it's "bad", but you refuse to condemn it. In fact, you seem to encourage it. That's so... odd.

[Lonely-Martin]

You acknowledge that it's "bad", but you refuse to condemn it. In fact, you seem to encourage it. That's so... odd.

 

I encourage patience and communication, they work for me. I don't expect anyone to agree, you and Demonic are most welcome to oppose that. No complaints there. He's shown to be trolling though, but others I speak with, I've no issues with.

 

I do condemn kicking for this sole reason. But I can't stop it, lol. So I express other ways for folk to look to ease those issues, in hope that that becomes 'the fix' as R* aren't helping.

 

I only feel we should retain the kick feature because so many cheats/bad sports exist to hamper players. If we had options to avoid that without missing gameplay and unlocks, or if the cheats were gone/kept in check. This can then go, as there'd be no need for it.

Edited March 15, 2018 by KWF1981

[Guest]

 

I encourage patience and communication, they work for me. I don't expect anyone to agree, you and Demonic are most welcome to oppose that. No complaints there. He's shown to be trolling though, but others I speak with, I've no issues with.

Dude, Ninja pretty much said what I've been saying.

Edited March 15, 2018 by Guest