Players are voting for you to be removed from the session. Improve your behavior or you will be kicked.

[Black-Dragon96]

I bet you anything that the kick feature will be changed for Red Dead 2. They will be trying to figure out ways to even out multiplayer.

I honestly do not give a single f*ck about Red Dead Redemption 2.

If they want to even out multiplayer, then how about balancing the freaking game?

 

It does affect their gains. Vote kicking and lagging out public lobbies so you can lock down a lobby and cheat the game to rack up cash without threat is something Rockstar doesn't like and they will want to try and address it.

Well they obviously dont care enough. I mean they have not addressed it in nearly 2 years. We got 5 bussines dlc's yet in none of them they did something about solo public.

 

Rockstar obviously dislike people making money in private lobbies hence why they don't allow sales in private lobbies. And it is a feature that is being abused and not used as intended and it obviously p*sses alot of people off hence the 549576038304834 threads on the subject. Just read this very thread. Rockstar will try to find a middle ground.

Rockstar dislikes it that people make a single $ ingame money without buying sharkcards.

They dont care about the middle ground, they care aboit what makes them the most cash.

 

There will be some kind of cooling off period, charge a fee to kick, removed altogether to force people to sell in public sessions as intended, keep a tab on how much an individual vote kicks and if you are seen to be abusing it you will be banned from using the feature altogether, something will change with it.

Like I said, I doubt there will be a change. Not in gta online and not in rdr 2.

[Lonely-Martin]

@ ice_cold2016...

 

And clearly shown in this thread, getting into a session with minimal players and getting a toy like that out attracts the typical attention that trolls/cheats/tryhards or whatever get.

 

You looked no different, because you ignored their pleas/requests, you looked like exactly what they feel they want/need to avoid, for whatever reason. Fear, or a lack of time to mix with what they think may be a troll/cheat/tryhard. a lack of communication was all that failed here. As had you just replied peace, even if you meant none, you'd have been left be I believe.

 

When I land in a session where it's clear a crew is at work, I text the CEO/MC leader, and all if time. Too easy.

Edited February 16, 2018 by KWF1981

[Dr.Rosenthal]

Reading this Im amazed how butthurt some people are over getting kicked.

 

Agreed, there are times when a small group of players want a session all to themselves, and Ive been kicked under those circumstances even though I kept to myself. But so what? If it would happen all the time, it would be annoying. But its actually very rare.

 

Me and my friends sometimes do the same thing. Because sooner or later that one random will f*ck up a bunker sale or an IE collection sale. Or hell just get in our way and we dont want randoms along all the time.

 

But going into full on griefmode because someone wanted me to leave? Thats just childish behaviour.

 

A kickvote is rarely a personal thing. Its only personal if you deserved it and you had it coming.

Edited February 16, 2018 by Dr.Rosenthal

[Guest]

 

Petty reasons? I beg to differ, my reasons are no more petty than yours. Is it not petty to cry like a little bitch about being forced to play an massively open online multiplayer action-adventure game with other people?

If you dismiss being forced to play with the worst playerbase ever for no other reason than driving Shark Card sales (and nothing else, really) as "crying as a little bitch" while at the same time complaining about being kicked from a session because you gave them a reason by griefing them, well, in that case you're as much as an hypocrite as you called me earlier.

 

 

I've explained numerous times my reasons for my stance. I've also mentioned multiple times that I would not be against private session sales provided it was not just simply enabling them. Private session sales should come at a cost. I am not against them adding sales to invite only and crew sessions at a cost of 25% of the sale value, in line with playing missions/heists/whatever on easy rather than normal or hard.

Your stance is unreasonable in a game that has broken balance, promotes griefing as valid gameplay and barely rewards teamplay while at the same time forces it.

 

If we're punished for selling in Invite lobbies, then what's the point of enabling sales in those? That doesn't resolve the problem at all, most people would still lock down Public sessions and kicking other players to get the full payout then. I said before that earning the full payout sans any High Demand Bonus is the most sensible solution in order to make sellinh in Invite/Crew lobbies actually worth it. You're offering a non-solution.

 

 

However, if you wish to discuss that in further detail please use the correct topic. This topic is, and always has been, about what you do when voted to be kicked or attempting to understand why these kicks come. While they may be linked this is not the place to promote or argue against private sales. There's another huge topic for that, unfortunately it's died as of late and I guess the usual suspects want to drag that sh*t in every topic either myself, big mo etc. post in.

When said topic is the reason why players abuse the kick function in the first place, well, it's not surprise that said topic will surface from time to time. It's relevant to this thread because it's the cause of the issue.

 

 

Rockstar gives you plenty of choice. Big deal, they restrict some items, that's how they wanted it. Next you'll be complaining about the cost of items which should be free in a sandbox game... If it was truly a sandbox game you would have access to everything from day one without having to grind at all, just look at any sandbox game or game with sandbox mode. GTA Online is not specifically a sandbox game, it's marketed as an action-adventure game with a massively open online element. Because you want it to be sandbox and keep saying it is doesn't actually make it a sandbox game.

An online version of a sandbox game isn't a sandbox too? It may not be a full sandbox game (because you know, Shark Cards) but it can't be denied that GTA Online has sandbox components.

 

So yeah, it's a sandbox game, albeit a very restricted one.

 

Who said I'm complaining about being kicked? I've never said it's a complaint nor have I ever intended to imply that. I deal with being kicked rather than cry about it. I'm here simply expressing how I react to such a kick and that is, by revenge.

 

My stance is my stance. If you are of the opinion that my stance is unreasonable then so be it, that's your opinion. However I believe my stance is very much reasonable, I wouldn't stand by it if I didn't believe in it and wouldn't believe it in if it were so unreasonable.

 

Why is it punishment? You want to play it on "easy mode" or in private, play any other mission or heist on easy and the reward is lower. Play any other game and on easy the rewards are less - fallout 4 for instance give less legendary items on easy than it does on hard. It's not punishment, it's paying for a lower difficulty. And don't even attempt to use high risk bonus as a bonus only for public, if enabled in private you know you would all join one session, be all happy and friendly hugging each other etc. but sell alone to get that extra bonus therefore use of that would not be valid.

 

GTA V is not a sandbox game either. At best both GTA:V and GTA:O are a mix of sandbox and progressive gameplay. In both you must progress to "unlock" certain things, that is not sandbox. Sure, you have no set storyline, no set progression and can ignore the story/progressive parts but it's at the cost of items and restrictions of game modes available. GTA:O is not the only game which some may loosely class as sandbox yet has restrictions, Skyrim, Fallout, ESO all are "sandbox" yet have restrictions. Not necessarily the same restrictions and not necessarily based on multiplayer interaction but the restrictions are still there. Sandbox games, especially the way you describe how they should be, have no restrictions - you live in cloud nice personoo land if you believe it'll ever be like that.

 

A restricted sandbox game is like a smart moron, a tall midget, it's an oxymoron.

[Guest]

 

Not at all. What you are suggesting is that, as soon as we enter a session we hit the "find new session" button. Where as what I have suggested is, if no kick feature exists and you find yourself in a session where there is a player or players who you do not wish to play with then you hit the "find new session" button. The difference is, you're suggesting that we constantly do this, in every session, to avoid being kicked for just being in the session where as I suggest that you do it only if there is an issue with the session. A huge difference.

I am suggesting that you leave a session when you see the message "players are voting to have you removed from the session".

I suggest that you leave the session when you feel bullied/attacked, just like you suggest that I (and other people) leave the session when I (them) feel bullied/attacked.

 

 

And your solutions don't shift the issue on to other people? I mean kicking a random for just being in the session doesn't shift your problem to other people? Again, I beg you to see the hypocrisy here. Are you seriously saying you are totally unaware that saying my solution is bullsh*t because it shift the problem to someone else is the exact same thing your current solution is doing?

I guess it doesn't matter if it create problems for others provided it solves your problem but as soon as a suggestion is made which shift the problem back to you, it's bullsh*t.

No my solution does not shift the problem, it solves it.

The reason why people kick other people out of low populated lobbys, is that they want to be left alone to do their stuff in peace. Enableing bussineses in private sessions without any drawbacks except the inability to get a high demand bonus. It would give people the option to play alone or with friends in a controlled environment where they can do there stuff in peace.

There would be no need to kick people because they can controll who joins the lobby.

This solution would benefit both you and the peacefull grinding comunity.

 

 

 

Dude, I quoted your entire post. How is that out of context or using the parts that are left when the whole post was quoted?

Thank you for confirming just how big a hypocrite you are and how full of sh*t you are. Based on the immense hypocrisy you're showing along with your admission of no longer "doing businesses" it's pretty safe to say that, unless you are able to be constructive in this discussion you've pretty much made anything you post completely void and obsolete. Never have I had the misfortune of dealing with such a troll on any forum, and I've been part of some pretty sh*tty forums in the past.

First: The post you quoted was not even about bussineses but the upgrading or moving of ceo offices.

Second: With parts left I mean whats left of a post when you put it out of context.

I know you are not a strong reader, so I will explain what I mean right away in the future.

You yourself are a pretty big hypocrite. I mean you used solopublic yourslef to make a lot of cash, but now you want solopublic removed and limited at every way possible.

 

And I'm suggesting you find a new session when a player, or players join who cause problems for you. No kick feature is needed if you can find a new session if circumstances require it.

 

Your solution doesn't solve it, we are on page 35 of a topic which began with the problems which are a side effect of your "solution". It solves it for you, sure but I guess that's all you're interested in/care about. f*ck everyone else, I'm alright...

 

It doesn't matter if the post I quoted of yours was about what colour you paint your cars, you still openly admit to not "doing businesses" yet are extremely disruptive throughout this entire topic discussing the issues that you cause so you can "do businesses".

 

I quoted the whole post, no parts were left out, none of it was out of any context. The quoted text also links to the topic so anyone interested simply has to click and be directed to the entire conversation, which I believe your reply was rather early on. What context is it supposed to be read in that's missing here?

 

We can all insult, some of us choose not to. How do you know I'm not a strong reader? Regardless of that defamation and fallacy, you have incorrect information if you believe I used solo public to make a lot of cash. I used 2x GTA$ on heists, CMM, Biker Contracts, VIP work and contact missions to earn my money. Look back through posts for the 2x biker contract week where I posted a screenshot of my wall and how many of these had been done. I don't deny having played in empty sessions (when they clear) or even friendly sessions however your libel remarks are completely false.

[Guest]

 

This topic is, and always has been, about what you do when voted to be kicked or attempting to understand why these kicks come.

This shows you up a little then, 34 pages in and you still don't know why?...

 

Obviously, one key reason is to lock down a sessions and keep idiots out and to allow groups of friends, or crews as they're known as, to play as they once did from day one... Together in peace.

 

Either deliberate trolling, or dense as f*ck.

 

You just won't accept it, and clearly don't want to discuss businesses/public lobbies anymore. Tough, it's all relative.

 

You want to discuss how you wish to play, you have your own topic for that somewhere. There's no need to spill that sh*t over to this one just because vote kicking has increased since this is what you do to circumvent restrictions placed by the developer. Mention it as a reason to why you vote to kick by all means, discussing enabling it in private, what's wrong with the correct topic?

 

I'll gladly discuss businesses/public lobbies in the correct topic. Unfortunately that topic has been dead for weeks.

 

Not really any need to get all abusive though, posting crap isn't going to bully me out of this topic, sorry, try voting for me to be kicked instead.

[Yellow Dog with Cone]

I wish we could votekick you from the thread tbh, you're beyond annoying at this point.

 

Also, good luck launching Fully Loaded here lol

[Lonely-Martin]

@ DemonicSpaceman...

 

Na, it shifted to here, lol.

 

You said your looking to understand why, many are saying exactly as I did, they wish to contain their lobbies. Right or wrong, that's a key reason, to run these f*cking businesses. Simply, if they weren't a cause of this in any way, then they'd have no place in this discussion.

 

For a 'strong reader' too, also missing that Black-Dragon does indeed run his bunker still, that's a public business. Completely validates his reason to post/contribute.

 

Again, you just won't accept this, and clearly don't want to talk public/private lobbies, the direct cause in many cases, as shown. Grow up and see the logic you fool!.

Edited February 16, 2018 by KWF1981

[We Are Ninja]

@ ice_cold2016...

 

And clearly shown in this thread, getting into a session with minimal players and getting a toy like that out attracts the typical attention that trolls/cheats/tryhards or whatever get.

A jetpack? Who TF has ever been killed by a jetpack? You can all but outrun a jetpack on foot. I read your response before I actually read his post, and assumed that he had grabbed a Hydra and was circling over their operation.

 

 

You looked no different, because you ignored their pleas/requests, you looked like exactly what they feel they want/need to avoid, for whatever reason. Fear, or a lack of time to mix with what they think may be a troll/cheat/tryhard. a lack of communication was all that failed here. As had you just replied peace, even if you meant none, you'd have been left be I believe.

What in the name of blizzard-level snowflakery are you even talking about? She was supposed to let them fly her jetpack/use all her things, and build a rapport with them?

 

B R U H...

 

No one is obligated to let you use/drive/fly their vehicles. No one is obligated to respond to texts/messages; especially ones begging for sh*t. No one is required to interact with you at all. You're not that special (None of this is directed at you specifically...). They didn't kick her because she was a threat, they kicked her because she wouldn't do what they wanted. That's the kind of child-like entitlement that permeates this entire thread.

 

 

When I land in a session where it's clear a crew is at work, I text the CEO/MC leader, and all if time. Too easy.

Not everyone is willing to prostrate themselves to the Lobby Lords.

 

Leave me alone, and I'll leave you alone. See to it that I can't stay in a lobby, and I'll see to it that you can't either.

Edited February 16, 2018 by We Are Ninja

[Guest]

I wish we could votekick you from the thread tbh, you're beyond annoying at this point.

 

Also, good luck launching Fully Loaded here lol

How so?

 

Is it annoying for someone with a differing opinion to be part of a discussion? Or is it the questioning and requests to further justify that annoy you? Or just pointing out how hypocritical everyone is, is that it?

 

You can report me if I have broken any rules here. You can also block me so you do not see my posts. You have options available to you.

[Yellow Dog with Cone]

 

I wish we could votekick you from the thread tbh, you're beyond annoying at this point.

 

Also, good luck launching Fully Loaded here lol

How so?

 

Is it annoying for someone with a differing opinion to be part of a discussion? Or is it the questioning and requests to further justify that annoy you? Or just pointing out how hypocritical everyone is, is that it?

 

You can report me if I have broken any rules here. You can also block me so you do not see my posts. You have options available to you.

Not annoying, just tiring.

 

You haven't broke any rules yet so I'm not going to misuse the report function.

 

I'm not gonna bother with blocking you either because that's the online equivalent of covering your ears while singing "lalalala" like a child.

 

Meh.

[Nyamber]

 

Sure, getting kicked can be annoying, but it doesn't happen as often as people think. Then agian, I live in Europe so maybe the kicking is more common in NA or something.

 

One thing's for certain. Kick whiners wouldn't last a day in PAYDAY 2. They'd be fillin gthe forums about whining about kicking at th eend of heists. And considering their attitude, it's probably why they got kicked anyway.

 

This game is starting to become old anyway so I'd doubt any major change.

I can guarantee you if I join 10 lobbies and do absolutely nothing but stand still I will be kick voted out of at least 2 or those 10 within 2 minutes. It's pretty bad..

 

Yeah, no. Don't exaggerate.

 

Since the public only work was added, I've been kicked from a lobby ONCE. And I play this game a lot. And I knew full well it was going to happen ahead of time.

 

But I didn't act like a little bitch and waste both our times by trying to ruin their work. No, I simply joined a new lobby and did what I was going to do in the first place.

Edited February 16, 2018 by The Irish Hunter

[Lonely-Martin]

 

<snip>

 

I don't disagree, just I can see how his actions were used as a reason for the kick to come (going by what some say they look for). Don't make it right, and I'll never support that aspect of it. Just these businesses are a real reason this problem is worse than it once was. We've always had twats kicking people from jobs and such, but there was no thread then, certainly not with this much passion involved, IMHO. This has become more an issue since some crews were forced out of their private sessions through R*'s direction.

 

I agree players should be left be until a reason shows, and certainly that no-one should have to communicate, just after a couple of kicks, I do feel it'd be best on the 3rd time that evening just to try and be more accommodating, just for his own game time, you know?. I realise my post was a bit direct though.

 

Not arguing the game or all it's flaws, but these businesses are a huge contention for many and cause these issues, as I believe in the post I responded there from ice-cold2016.. Clearly those players were complete idiots that don't know or understand the game, but that again highlights an issue, the ignorance out there. At least these guys are offering reasons, and even concede it's a poor excuse for a solution.

 

R* could help so much just by communicating the small subtle things people struggle with, things like rank 1000 being legitimate by these days for many. And showing to do more to remove modded ranks too, both would ease some paranoia.

Edited February 16, 2018 by KWF1981

[Ice_cold2016]

 

I bet you anything that the kick feature will be changed for Red Dead 2. They will be trying to figure out ways to even out multiplayer.

I honestly do not give a single f*ck about Red Dead Redemption 2.

If they want to even out multiplayer, then how about balancing the freaking game?

 

It does affect their gains. Vote kicking and lagging out public lobbies so you can lock down a lobby and cheat the game to rack up cash without threat is something Rockstar doesn't like and they will want to try and address it.

Well they obviously dont care enough. I mean they have not addressed it in nearly 2 years. We got 5 bussines dlc's yet in none of them they did something about solo public.

 

Rockstar obviously dislike people making money in private lobbies hence why they don't allow sales in private lobbies. And it is a feature that is being abused and not used as intended and it obviously p*sses alot of people off hence the 549576038304834 threads on the subject. Just read this very thread. Rockstar will try to find a middle ground.

Rockstar dislikes it that people make a single $ ingame money without buying sharkcards.

They dont care about the middle ground, they care aboit what makes them the most cash.

 

There will be some kind of cooling off period, charge a fee to kick, removed altogether to force people to sell in public sessions as intended, keep a tab on how much an individual vote kicks and if you are seen to be abusing it you will be banned from using the feature altogether, something will change with it.

Like I said, I doubt there will be a change. Not in gta online and not in rdr 2.

 

You keep missing peoples entire points, mate! When i say it will change in Red Dead 2, i'm just using Red Dead 2 as an example as that is Rockstars next game to release. As has been said. There has been nothing like GTAV Online before so nobody really knew how the community would play the game and use its features. Fast forward 5yrs and we now know how the community plays and uses, and abuses, its features. This info will inevitably be used by Rockstar in an attempt to balance and perfect future titles, be it Red Dead 2, GTA6, whatever! It isn't just about Red Dead 2. lol Nevermind, i give up with ya mate. You miss the point and are manipulative twisting info to suite your own agenda and remain in denial about other points and go off topic on random waffles. I can't take you seriously anymore.

Edited February 16, 2018 by Ice_cold2016

[Ice_cold2016]

 

@ ice_cold2016...

 

And clearly shown in this thread, getting into a session with minimal players and getting a toy like that out attracts the typical attention that trolls/cheats/tryhards or whatever get.

A jetpack? Who TF has ever been killed by a jetpack? You can all but outrun a jetpack on foot. I read your response before I actually read his post, and assumed that he had grabbed a Hydra and was circling over their operation.

 

You looked no different, because you ignored their pleas/requests, you looked like exactly what they feel they want/need to avoid, for whatever reason. Fear, or a lack of time to mix with what they think may be a troll/cheat/tryhard. a lack of communication was all that failed here. As had you just replied peace, even if you meant none, you'd have been left be I believe.

What in the name of blizzard-level snowflakery are you even talking about? She was supposed to let them fly her jetpack/use all her things, and build a rapport with them?

 

B R U H...

 

No one is obligated to let you use/drive/fly their vehicles. No one is obligated to respond to texts/messages; especially ones begging for sh*t. No one is required to interact with you at all. You're not that special (None of this is directed at you specifically...). They didn't kick her because she was a threat, they kicked her because she wouldn't do what they wanted. That's the kind of child-like entitlement that permeates this entire thread.

 

When I land in a session where it's clear a crew is at work, I text the CEO/MC leader, and all if time. Too easy.

Not everyone is willing to prostrate themselves to the Lobby Lords.

 

Leave me alone, and I'll leave you alone. See to it that I can't stay in a lobby, and I'll see to it that you can't either.

 

Ohhhh the jetpack is leethal in the right hands. Even without rockets i'll still find ways to smash ya face in with it. lol

 

 

And, yup, why should anyone have to pander to Lobby Lords as you beautifuly put it. The people that kicked her weren't even doing CEO work or anything, they were just messing around killing each other. So the kicks were just childish jealousy kicks.

Edited February 16, 2018 by Ice_cold2016

[Black-Dragon96]

And I'm suggesting you find a new session when a player, or players join who cause problems for you. No kick feature is needed if you can find a new session if circumstances require it.

No removal of the kick feature is needed, you can just leave the session as soon as you see the message to avoid getting kicked.

 

Your solution doesn't solve it, we are on page 35 of a topic which began with the problems which are a side effect of your "solution". It solves it for you, sure but I guess that's all you're interested in/care about. f*ck everyone else, I'm alright...

And why does it not solve the problem?

It removes the entire reason why people votekick without causing any new problems.

It doesn't matter if the post I quoted of yours was about what colour you paint your cars, you still openly admit to not "doing businesses" yet are extremely disruptive throughout this entire topic discussing the issues that you cause so you can "do businesses".

It does matter what the post is about you ****.

In the post you took from another topic we talked about the offices and renovating/moving offices. Because you removed the context of the post it looked like I dont do any bussines anymore wich is not the case because I just dont fo the office related bussineses anymore. I still very much use my bunker and just 30 min ago I resupplyed my document forgery in paleto bay.

 

I quoted the whole post, no parts were left out, none of it was out of any context. The quoted text also links to the topic so anyone interested simply has to click and be directed to the entire conversation, which I believe your reply was rather early on. What context is it supposed to be read in that's missing here?

If you move a post out of context, you loose the meaning of said post and are LEFT with the text shell that you can interpret in any way.

 

We can all insult, some of us choose not to. How do you know I'm not a strong reader?

Because even after explaing that I still do bussineses for atleast 3 times in this topic alone you still claim I dont do bussineses anymore. Edited February 16, 2018 by Black-Dragon96

[Guest]

Crews haven't been forced out of anything though. Crew sessions, invite only sessions and friend only sessions still exist. The game still exists in those sessions.

 

Certain game types are unavailable in those sessions, I appreciate that however it's not forcing players out who do not want to leave their bubbles, it's not forcing players to interact with others unless they wish to take part in the game modes added with FAFF, Bikers, SR, GR etc.

 

If you are that set against PvP or forced PvP with randoms, the choice to stay in the invite only session is still there. You do not need to play the public session locked game types.

 

If you want access to them then you should accept the design of these modes and appreciate that you may be up against some other players. In my experience since FAFF, it's not as toxic as is being made out to be. There are a lot of friendly sessions where players will just stick to their own and ignore those who don't bother them. You are perfectly able to use these sessions.

 

With that in mind, there is no reason to use the kick feature to clear a session. Using it in this way is misuse. I've also recently implied many times that I'd rather you use solo publics than misuse kick.

 

The thing is, there are options which do not affect others.

1) Avoid the game modes

2) Use solo public sessions

3) Lag out of a lobby and invite friends back in

4) Deal with issues as they arise

5) Find a new session if the one you are in doesn't suit you

 

There really is no need to vote to kick, there are other options with less impact on others available.

 

While I disagree with sales and sources being made available in private, as detailed elsewhere, in this topic, in this discussion, turning a blind eye to the stance I have with private selling and letting it slide, if that's how you are determined to play, why misuse the vote to kick when there are at least five other options available.

 

I find it incredibly arrogant and un-courteous for players to feel they have a right to vote to kick players out of a public lobby just to clear the lobby when the player being voted has done no wrong and, for all anyone knows, would be no issue or concern. That, at least for me, warrants me to become just as childish and pretty much say "if I can't play, nobody can", it's the spit covered cobbler.

 

Use one of the other 5 options to continue your sales/supplies/public restricted work and I don't give a crap, I wont delay your leaving, I wont attack, I wont follow you, if you choose to "risk it" and continue with me in your lobby you may even find I help you. I'll often take out the helicopters chasing an I/E source if I am near by, I'll often take out any player who looks to me making their way to interfere in your business, I'll pass by and decide if I want to get involved in any kind of fight where one person or organisation is dominating a single player... I can be a pretty useful ally and, provided you don't put your ding-a-ling in the hornets nest, an ally is what you will get.

 

 

So why vote to kick so quickly, so regularly, without reason? For the minority who may be a troll? To avoid their friends also joining? Overkill, right? You wouldn't shoot a stranger and claim self defense as you didn't know if they were going to mug you or if their friend would be nearby who may intend to mug you.

[Lonely-Martin]

Crews haven't been forced out of anything though. Crew sessions, invite only sessions and friend only sessions still exist. The game still exists in those sessions.

 

Certain game types are unavailable in those sessions, I appreciate that however it's not forcing players out who do not want to leave their bubbles, it's not forcing players to interact with others unless they wish to take part in the game modes added with FAFF, Bikers, SR, GR etc.

 

If you are that set against PvP or forced PvP with randoms, the choice to stay in the invite only session is still there. You do not need to play the public session locked game types.

 

This is factually wrong though, lol. The PvE content (Special vehicle missions et all) were locked behind the PvP content.

 

In what way is that not obvious?. We couldn't play those missions without running PvP/potential PvP jobs. That what I mean by forcing players out.

 

DDH is far better in this regard, nothing is locked behind public, you can skip it (though expensive), or when you do partake, you lose time, not time and money. Major improvements, IMO, and seems to be backed by the 'record numbers' being touted.

[dorcy]

Sure, getting kicked can be annoying, but it doesn't happen as often as people think. Then agian, I live in Europe so maybe the kicking is more common in NA or something.

 

One thing's for certain. Kick whiners wouldn't last a day in PAYDAY 2. They'd be fillin gthe forums about whining about kicking at th eend of heists. And considering their attitude, it's probably why they got kicked anyway.

 

This game is starting to become old anyway so I'd doubt any major change.

tbf in Payday 2 the reasons to kick are usually more related to level, as oppose to suspecting trolls. somebody lvl 30 (even with an Infamy 25) simply won't have the points to make a viable build for One Down loud heists.

well that and joining a Shadow Raid wearing an ICTV and asking "Stealth or Loud?".

 

as far as GTAO goes, my opinion is that the justified use of the kick 'feature' is situational. for example my friends and i completed a setup and were dumped into a session with 4 other players. while waiting for a PV to be delivered, so as to hit ammunation before continuing the Heist, i was kicked. i was using my main character. my friends who are both ranked 100+ weren't. so was i singled out becuase of my comparitively high rank? who can say. yes i was.

conversely a few days later we were doing business related stuff in an empty session. players joined and were peaceful, we didn't kick and we all just got on with our own game, all was well.... for a time. one of the joiners got finished with their own stuff (which they had been given peace to get on with) decided that they would f*ck up our supply run by blowing up my slow moving and unarmed van.

 

i only kick if i'm selling. blow up my supplies because i was naive, fair enough. but i'm not taking a chance of losing 11 and a half hours of weapons because some c*nt thinks it's fun.

 

as far as who should kick vs who should leave? first in best dressed. if i join a session that is clearly full of red dot PVP action, i'll leave and find a session that suits me. if you're out for PVP and land in a business oriented session, just leave and find a session that suits your playstyle. don't be a c*nt.

[Guest]

 

And I'm suggesting you find a new session when a player, or players join who cause problems for you. No kick feature is needed if you can find a new session if circumstances require it.

No removal of the kick feature is needed, you can just leave the session as soon as you see the message to avoid getting kicked.

 

 

Your solution doesn't solve it, we are on page 35 of a topic which began with the problems which are a side effect of your "solution". It solves it for you, sure but I guess that's all you're interested in/care about. f*ck everyone else, I'm alright...

And why does it not solve the problem?

It removes the entire reason why people votekick.

 

 

It doesn't matter if the post I quoted of yours was about what colour you paint your cars, you still openly admit to not "doing businesses" yet are extremely disruptive throughout this entire topic discussing the issues that you cause so you can "do businesses".

It does matter what the post is about you ****.

In the post you took from another topic we talked about the offices and renovating/moving offices. Because you removed the context of the post it looked like I dont do any bussines anymore wich is not the case because I just dont fo the office related bussineses anymore. I still very much use my bunker and just 30 min ago I resupplyed my document forgery in paleto bay.

 

 

I quoted the whole post, no parts were left out, none of it was out of any context. The quoted text also links to the topic so anyone interested simply has to click and be directed to the entire conversation, which I believe your reply was rather early on. What context is it supposed to be read in that's missing here?

If you move a post out of context, you loose the meaning of said post and are LEFT with the text shell that you can interpret in any way.

 

 

We can all insult, some of us choose not to. How do you know I'm not a strong reader?

Because even after explaing that I still do bussineses for atleast 3 times in this topic alone you still claim I dont do bussineses anymore.

 

Dude, seriously... One last time...

 

1) Why should we leave when it is you (the kicker) who wants a different session to what they are in? We could be here all day with you leave, no you leave. Fact of the matter is, without the kick feature you still have a way to avoid the player you don't want to be in a session with. Removal of the kick feature would not be anywhere near as bad as it's being made out to be. Regardless, I do not agree that removal is the way to go, I just feel your arguments against it's removal are completely and utterly invalid.

 

2) It doesn't solve it as it shift the problem on to innocent players who are doing nothing wrong. You claimed earlier that something I posted wouldn't solve it but shift it, this is the same. Voting to kick solves your problem but creates another which affects many others who should remain unaffected. That is not a good solution, it's not a solution at all. It's selfish also. It's childish. It's arrogant. It's inconsiderate. But since it doesn't have a negative effect on you (except the retaliations) I guess you imply it's not a problem, the problem is solved.

 

3) No need to get so angry, please remain calm and have a grown up discussion, resorting to name calling (even if censored) is not required. You should be able to get your point across without lowering yourself to name calling.

I quoted your entire post, you claimed in that post that you no longer "do businesses", what context is there which means that no longer doing businesses means you still do businesses?

OK, so because you have no need to renovate your office because you no longer use your office because you don't do businesses (i.e. the full context of the post) means what exactly? Nothing was cut, nothing was reworded or twisted (like some of you love to do), a simple multi-quote where you clearly wrote that you don't do businesses is not out of context and certainly isn't when the topic it come from shows no other context.

 

But please, explain how your post can possibly mean something else. How does stating that you do not do businesses anymore mean anything but what is written?

 

4) I don't claim you don't do business, I quoted your post where you made the claim.

You are inconsistent with what you post, you make claims which are incorrect (TOS, non-buffed vehicles, etc.), you chop and change your story and your mind. You may have said you do businesses in here but it's not like I quoted an ancient post of yours, I believe it was less than 10 minutes after you posted it. So excuse me for thinking your latest post was accurate and the latest information when clearly not doing businesses can also mean something else when used in another context... /sarcasm

[Guest]

 

Crews haven't been forced out of anything though. Crew sessions, invite only sessions and friend only sessions still exist. The game still exists in those sessions.

 

Certain game types are unavailable in those sessions, I appreciate that however it's not forcing players out who do not want to leave their bubbles, it's not forcing players to interact with others unless they wish to take part in the game modes added with FAFF, Bikers, SR, GR etc.

 

If you are that set against PvP or forced PvP with randoms, the choice to stay in the invite only session is still there. You do not need to play the public session locked game types.

This is factually wrong though, lol. The PvE content (Special vehicle missions et all) were locked behind the PvP content.

 

In what way is that not obvious?. We couldn't play those missions without running PvP/potential PvP jobs. That what I mean by forcing players out.

 

DDH is far better in this regard, nothing is locked behind public, you can skip it (though expensive), or when you do partake, you lose time, not time and money. Major improvements, IMO, and seems to be backed by the 'record numbers' being touted.

 

What's factually wrong?

 

So you need to do x amount of source missions to unlock hosting them, they are still available to join though. A slight potential PvP threat sure, but to say you couldn't play them without that threat is incorrect, you could, you could join a host who has unlocked them.

 

So what was locked behind PvP? Am I mistaken in how SV missions worked? Have I misunderstood what SV missions are? Have I been too pedantic about the phrase "playing"?

[Lonely-Martin]

 

 

<snip>

 

 

 

Oh, that's right, a PvE crew that between them having not done any of the PvP unlocking (As it's not PvE, obviously, lol) must then rely on randoms or add to their crew to continue, lol. Forced, simple.

 

Funny that you don't know what a PvE crew is all about, lol. But to ease that, for the newer players out ther reading. You see, it's all about the player versus the environment, something synonymous with GTA, and yes, as seen in many areas, and without limited access, in GTA:O too. (Amazing, innit?! - Yeah, I can be a petty lad, like you said to BD, don't stoop so low, it's griefer/troll talk, be a f*cking grown up).

 

Players can buy these businesses in private, they should be able to access the PvE on their own without the more forced gameplay. Hell, even the PvP enticing stuff can be done in peaceful sessions, but the true PvE, nope!. Game's so f*cked man, you won't see me argue that. Just you're too stubborn to concede the game is what it is, issues and all, and that these issues do come, quite regularly, because players do feel they were forced into a PvP playstyle. Like above, where another said they shouldn't have to communicate with those trying to with him, PvE crews shouldn't have to compromise their gameplay or interact further than they are comfortable with, whatever they do. The game offered just that for so many, until these businesses.

 

After 35 pages, I've gotta say. Do we know more to combat a wrongful vote kick than the very first post from another, 'start a VIP work' - Or words of that effect. Many reasons have been offered why, and many further concede what they do is wrong, but sh*t happens. We're no wiser than we were on page one, other than you refusing to accept that it is what it is.

 

Don't make it right, but weren't you critical of the petition, at least we tried to get our voices heard there. Don't see you lot trying to get this changed with one, you know, as it's so compromising to your gameplay, and see's you get enraged at the situation. Do something more, try. No one can derail that now, can they...

 

But no, it's just a bunch of lazy trolls throwing hissy fits because they refuse to budge because their ego won't let them. Well, there was Big Molio's hilarious contender for post of the year, $100k just to kick a cheat, lol. Yeah, that's the solution. Regardless if we agree or not, I've always found Mo to be a funny chap. That was bait for the kickers, lol. And you bite...

 

Priceless!. (Now I'm caught up).

 

And I must apologise for the text, I've had this before, don't know why. But sorry for making this harder to read for people. If anyone knows why/a fix, please PM me.

Edited February 16, 2018 by RedDagger
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[Black-Dragon96]

Dude, seriously... One last time...

 

1) Why should we leave when it is you (the kicker) who wants a different session to what they are in? We could be here all day with you leave, no you leave. Fact of the matter is, without the kick feature you still have a way to avoid the player you don't want to be in a session with. Removal of the kick feature would not be anywhere near as bad as it's being made out to be. Regardless, I do not agree that removal is the way to go, I just feel your arguments against it's removal are completely and utterly invalid.

 

Why should other people leave just because you dont want to be kicked?

Fact of the matter is even if the kickfeature stays, you would still have ways to avoid getting kicked/ways to avoid getting BS point for getting kicked.

Just like you think my points against the removal are invalid, I think your points for the removal are invalid.

 

 

2) It doesn't solve it as it shift the problem on to innocent players who are doing nothing wrong. You claimed earlier that something I posted wouldn't solve it but shift it, this is the same. Voting to kick solves your problem but creates another which affects many others who should remain unaffected. That is not a good solution, it's not a solution at all. It's selfish also. It's childish. It's arrogant. It's inconsiderate. But since it doesn't have a negative effect on you (except the retaliations) I guess you imply it's not a problem, the problem is solved.

Where exactly did I say that votekicking is the solution?

I said the solution would be to enable bussineses in private lobbys with no other drawback then the inability to get a high demand bonus.

This would not affect your gameplay at all, other than getting kicked less than now.

 

3) No need to get so angry, please remain calm and have a grown up discussion, resorting to name calling (even if censored) is not required. You should be able to get your point across without lowering yourself to name calling.

Says the guy who called me "blank dramaqueen" at multiple occasions.

 

I quoted your entire post, you claimed in that post that you no longer "do businesses", what context is there which means that no longer doing businesses means you still do businesses?

OK, so because you have no need to renovate your office because you no longer use your office because you don't do businesses (i.e. the full context of the post) means what exactly? Nothing was cut, nothing was reworded or twisted (like some of you love to do), a simple multi-quote where you clearly wrote that you don't do businesses is not out of context and certainly isn't when the topic it come from shows no other context.

You took a toal unrelated post from a total unrelated topic, thats putting something out of context to my knowledge.

 

But please, explain how your post can possibly mean something else. How does stating that you do not do businesses anymore mean anything but what is written?

Like I said, I meant that I no longer do ceo bussineses.

To avoid confusation like that in the future you should avoid taking unrelated post from unrelated topics.

 

 

@Ice_Cold

How is saying: "I dont care about RDR 2." and "I doubt they will change anything" missing peoples points?

Edited February 16, 2018 by Black-Dragon96

[We Are Ninja]

Why should other people leave just because you dont want to be kicked?

I've been making it a point to ignore your posts because the majority of your responses defy logic, reason, rationality, critical thinking, etc., but do you really not see the obscene hypocrisy in that question? I realize that it's silly to ask that because you most likely don't. That said, I've had discussions with some really dense people in my time here, and it's comments like this that make it impossible to take you seriously.

 

"Why should other people leave just because you don't want to be kicked?"

 

Why should other people be kicked just because you don't want to leave?

 

Why should other people be forced to leave just because it's what you want?

 

Why should anyone respect your wishes when you won't respect theirs?

 

How is your asking/forcing them to leave totally acceptable, but their asking you to leave is somehow completely unacceptable?

 

Why is it okay for you to refuse to leave a lobby, but an affront when someone else refuses to leave a lobby?

 

Why do you actively fight to hold a lobby, but get upset when someone else fights to hold a lobby?

 

If other people's wishes don't matter, what makes you believe that yours do?

 

Why do you believe that you have a right to be there, but they don't?

 

Why do you believe that your wants and desires supersede the entire player base?

 

Why do you believe that you can ask something of someone that you, yourself, refuse to give?

 

Although I really shouldn't be at this point, I'm astonished that'd you'd even type something like that. You're asking "Why should I leave?" The person that you're forcing out of the lobby is asking the exact same question.

Edited February 17, 2018 by We Are Ninja

[Guest]

 

 

 

<snip>

 

 

 

Oh, that's right, a PvE crew that between them having not done any of the PvP unlocking (As it's not PvE, obviously, lol) must then rely on randoms or add to their crew to continue, lol. Forced, simple.

 

Funny that you don't know what a PvE crew is all about, lol. But to ease that, for the newer players out ther reading. You see, it's all about the player versus the environment, something synonymous with GTA, and yes, as seen in many areas, and without limited access, in GTA:O too. (Amazing, innit?! - Yeah, I can be a petty lad, like you said to BD, don't stoop so low, it's griefer/troll talk, be a f*cking grown up).

 

Players can buy these businesses in private, they should be able to access the PvE on their own without the more forced gameplay. Hell, even the PvP enticing stuff can be done in peaceful sessions, but the true PvE, nope!. Game's so f*cked man, you won't see me argue that. Just you're too stubborn to concede the game is what it is, issues and all, and that these issues do come, quite regularly, because players do feel they were forced into a PvP playstyle. Like above, where another said they shouldn't have to communicate with those trying to with him, PvE crews shouldn't have to compromise their gameplay or interact further than they are comfortable with, whatever they do. The game offered just that for so many, until these businesses.

 

After 35 pages, I've gotta say. Do we know more to combat a wrongful vote kick than the very first post from another, 'start a VIP work' - Or words of that effect. Many reasons have been offered why, and many further concede what they do is wrong, but sh*t happens. We're no wiser than we were on page one, other than you refusing to accept that it is what it is.

 

Don't make it right, but weren't you critical of the petition, at least we tried to get our voices heard there. Don't see you lot trying to get this changed with one, you know, as it's so compromising to your gameplay, and see's you get enraged at the situation. Do something more, try. No one can derail that now, can they...

 

But no, it's just a bunch of lazy trolls throwing hissy fits because they refuse to budge because their ego won't let them. Well, there was Big Molio's hilarious contender for post of the year, $100k just to kick a cheat, lol. Yeah, that's the solution. Regardless if we agree or not, I've always found Mo to be a funny chap. That was bait for the kickers, lol. And you bite...

 

Priceless!. (Now I'm caught up).

 

And I must apologise for the text, I've had this before, don't know why. But sorry for making this harder to read for people. If anyone knows why/a fix, please PM me.

 

You claimed my post was factually incorrect, I stated otherwise and explained how it isn't incorrect. Due to the fact that you are able to join anyone who is hosting these special vehicle missions regardless of if you have unlocked them yourself means that they are not locked behind PvP and are available to you despite your play style.

 

Because you choose to play the way you play does not change the fact that you are able to play all game mode should you wish to. It does not change the fact that SV missions are not exactly locked behind PvP if you are willing to join someone who is hosting them.

 

Since it's known you play in "solo public", as does everyone else screaming "restrictions" and have carried out sale and source missions these are unlocked for you via your circumventing of the restrictions. Again, another method to unlock these missions which are supposedly locked behind PvP.

 

I can't say I bothered to read your post beyond the first paragraph and I don't intend to do so while you have this chip on your shoulder. Clearly you have an issue with me which has escalated rapidly recently. It's one thing to be passionate about your stance, it's an entirely different thing when you have an attitude problem and are extremely hostile. When, or if you decide to sort out your attitude I may feel more inclined to acknowledge your posts and discuss amicably.

[Guest]

 

Dude, seriously... One last time...

 

1) Why should we leave when it is you (the kicker) who wants a different session to what they are in? We could be here all day with you leave, no you leave. Fact of the matter is, without the kick feature you still have a way to avoid the player you don't want to be in a session with. Removal of the kick feature would not be anywhere near as bad as it's being made out to be. Regardless, I do not agree that removal is the way to go, I just feel your arguments against it's removal are completely and utterly invalid.

 

Why should other people leave just because you dont want to be kicked?

Fact of the matter is even if the kickfeature stays, you would still have ways to avoid getting kicked/ways to avoid getting BS point for getting kicked.

Just like you think my points against the removal are invalid, I think your points for the removal are invalid.

 

 

Do you proof read your posts? Can you not see the major hypocrisy in it?

 

I am not asking people to leave so I don't get kicked, they can stay. I've never said, implied or otherwise mentioned removal of other players in lobbies I am in. People shouldn't leave to avoid me being kicked but they also shouldn't kick to remove players they do not wish to play with. You have missed my point entirely though, I am not suggesting any of that, I am merely responding to the claims of having the kick function removed being very bad. I am merely stating that kick is not the only way to avoid someone in a lobby you do not wish to play with. The player with the issue is also free to find another lobby, this is true now, it would be true if kick was removed.

 

Ninja has covered the rest of what I would have posted here.

 

 

 

 

 

 

2) It doesn't solve it as it shift the problem on to innocent players who are doing nothing wrong. You claimed earlier that something I posted wouldn't solve it but shift it, this is the same. Voting to kick solves your problem but creates another which affects many others who should remain unaffected. That is not a good solution, it's not a solution at all. It's selfish also. It's childish. It's arrogant. It's inconsiderate. But since it doesn't have a negative effect on you (except the retaliations) I guess you imply it's not a problem, the problem is solved.

 

Where exactly did I say that votekicking is the solution?

I said the solution would be to enable bussineses in private lobbys with no other drawback then the inability to get a high demand bonus.

This would not affect your gameplay at all, other than getting kicked less than now.

 

You have, more than once, implied that removal of players entering a lobby is the solution rather than removal of the players who generally misuse the kick function. If kicking randoms is not the solution you are in agreement with then disregard this. Unfortunately, with your inconsistent and illogical responses it is difficult to clearly see what point it is you are making.

Private lobby sales could still carry the high demand bonus if simply enabled. There is nothing to stop players selling solo while in a private lobby with their friends. This solution, as detailed in other topics, I do not agree with. From the discussion here regarding kicking alone I am more inclined to prefer the current situation and delaying the kick so that I can be just as childish than I am to changing my mind regarding simply enabling sales in private lobbies.

 

 

 

 

 

 

3) No need to get so angry, please remain calm and have a grown up discussion, resorting to name calling (even if censored) is not required. You should be able to get your point across without lowering yourself to name calling.

 

Says the guy who called me "blank dramaqueen" at multiple occasions.

 

I believe my typo was autocorrected to blank dragqueen. I have since disabled auto correct in an attempt to avoid this happening again.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I quoted your entire post, you claimed in that post that you no longer "do businesses", what context is there which means that no longer doing businesses means you still do businesses?

OK, so because you have no need to renovate your office because you no longer use your office because you don't do businesses (i.e. the full context of the post) means what exactly? Nothing was cut, nothing was reworded or twisted (like some of you love to do), a simple multi-quote where you clearly wrote that you don't do businesses is not out of context and certainly isn't when the topic it come from shows no other context.

 

You took a toal unrelated post from a total unrelated topic, thats putting something out of context to my knowledge.

 

You need to learn about context in that case.

I used a post from another topic which was posted within the same hour that you posted in this topic. The post quoted was contradicting your posts in this topic. You were not clear in the post, much like you are not clear in this post, regarding what you actually do carry out. You stated you do not do businesses, this to me covers businesses, be that warehouses, document forgery, coke factory, meth labs, gun running factory, smuggling etc. If this is not the case perhaps be clearer or don't post such sweeping statements. It would be like me posting that I don't play GTA anymore and then, when called up on it, claiming that I only meant I don't play arm wrestling in GTA anymore.

 

 

 

 

But please, explain how your post can possibly mean something else. How does stating that you do not do businesses anymore mean anything but what is written?

 

Like I said, I meant that I no longer do ceo bussineses.

To avoid confusation like that in the future you should avoid taking unrelated post from unrelated topics.

 

CEO businesses could include gun running, smugglers, I/E cars... all are businesses, all come under the same classification, all are (in the words of others) simply copy and paste, reskins of the same thing.

If someone posts something which contradicts something else they have said elsewhere why shouldn't I use it? Is it only those on your side of the argument who can do this? Mr Lol is often taking segments of my posts from 12 months ago and still referring to them as though they are still relevant.

 

 

 

 

Edit: Pick though that, I can't even be bothered to fix the quote issues.

 

Edited February 16, 2018 by Guest

[Black-Dragon96]

 

Why should other people leave just because you dont want to be kicked?

I've been making it a point to ignore your posts because the majority of your responses defy logic, good reasoning, rationality, etc., but do you really not see the obscene hypocrisy in that question? I realize that it's silly to ask that because you most likely don't, but it's comments like that that make it impossible to take you seriously.

 

"Why should other people leave just because you don't want to be kicked?"

Mr Spacemans statement: "You still have the option to leave a session you dont like it." as argument for the removal of the kick feature is just as silly. And thats exactly what I tryed to point out with my post.

 

It defys logic that a player should have to leave a session because he is unable to remove a trouble causing scriptkiddo/wallbreacher/tryhard from the session.

[Black-Dragon96]

Do you proof read your posts? Can you not see the major hypocrisy in it?

 

I am not asking people to leave so I don't get kicked, they can stay. I've never said, implied or otherwise mentioned removal of other players in lobbies I am in. People shouldn't leave to avoid me being kicked but they also shouldn't kick to remove players they do not wish to play with. You have missed my point entirely though, I am not suggesting any of that, I am merely responding to the claims of having the kick function removed being very bad. I am merely stating that kick is not the only way to avoid someone in a lobby you do not wish to play with. The player with the issue is also free to find another lobby, this is true now, it would be true if kick was removed.

 

How is saying: "You still have the option to leave the session.", as argumentatiom for the removal of the kick feature, not asking other people to leave?

 

 

 

You have, more than once, implied that removal of players entering a lobby is the solution rather than removal of the players who generally misuse the kick function. If kicking randoms is not the solution you are in agreement with then disregard this. Unfortunately, with your inconsistent and illogical responses it is difficult to clearly see what point it is you are making.

Private lobby sales could still carry the high demand bonus if simply enabled. There is nothing to stop players selling solo while in a private lobby with their friends. This solution, as detailed in other topics, I do not agree with. From the discussion here regarding kicking alone I am more inclined to prefer the current situation and delaying the kick so that I can be just as childish than I am to changing my mind regarding simply enabling sales in private lobbies.

Votekick everyone who joins was never the solution for me (Thats why my crew and I dont do it.), its currently just the most effective option that people who want to play in peace have.

The solution was always to enable bussineses in private lobbys while disableing the high demand bonus for private session. The product should still have the same base worth because it takes the same amount of sourcing and production time in private and public.

This solution would remove the entire problem without any negative consequences for any player.

 

 

You need to learn about context in that case.

I used a post from another topic which was posted within the same hour that you posted in this topic. The post quoted was contradicting your posts in this topic. You were not clear in the post, much like you are not clear in this post, regarding what you actually do carry out. You stated you do not do businesses, this to me covers businesses, be that warehouses, document forgery, coke factory, meth labs, gun running factory, smuggling etc. If this is not the case perhaps be clearer or don't post such sweeping statements. It would be like me posting that I don't play GTA anymore and then, when called up on it, claiming that I only meant I don't play arm wrestling in GTA anymore.

Could I have been clearer? Sure.

I simply expected people to understand that I meant the CEO related bussineses wich get started from the office computer. Aka crates and I/E.

Apparently everyone except you understood it.

I also did not expect anyone to turn it into an argument about the validity of my statements regarding bussineses and their playability in public lobbys. I simply did not expect anyone to be so stupid to use this as a base of his argumentation.

Edited February 16, 2018 by Black-Dragon96

[We Are Ninja]

*Obligatory gibberish*

I asked you the same question in, like, fifteen different ways, and you STILL didn't answer it.

Edited February 16, 2018 by We Are Ninja

[Lonely-Martin]

 

You claimed my post was factually incorrect, I stated otherwise and explained how it isn't incorrect. Due to the fact that you are able to join anyone who is hosting these special vehicle missions regardless of if you have unlocked them yourself means that they are not locked behind PvP and are available to you despite your play style.

 

Because you choose to play the way you play does not change the fact that you are able to play all game mode should you wish to. It does not change the fact that SV missions are not exactly locked behind PvP if you are willing to join someone who is hosting them.

 

Since it's known you play in "solo public", as does everyone else screaming "restrictions" and have carried out sale and source missions these are unlocked for you via your circumventing of the restrictions. Again, another method to unlock these missions which are supposedly locked behind PvP.

 

I can't say I bothered to read your post beyond the first paragraph and I don't intend to do so while you have this chip on your shoulder. Clearly you have an issue with me which has escalated rapidly recently. It's one thing to be passionate about your stance, it's an entirely different thing when you have an attitude problem and are extremely hostile. When, or if you decide to sort out your attitude I may feel more inclined to acknowledge your posts and discuss amicably.

 

Lol, typical troll tryhard response there. Can't actually defend the stupidity of his recent posts, and stupid assumptions. So needs to assume I have actual personal issues, because I oppose his opinions, bless.

 

Neither of us are better than the other. You just blindly ignore the obvious, I'll keep pointing it out. The 'public only' direction is a true cause of all this, obviously.

 

If you truly knew what I did, you'd know I don't run these businesses and haven't since Gunrunning really, aside to unlock the research, and yes, fair play, I went idle for the last few. So?. Been far too busy with this heist, old awards, and Gran Turismo since to give them, or the likes of you, a second thought really. Funny stuff though, but it won't top Big Mo's, as I said, easily better than your petty tries. (You seem obsessed with what people do do, you know, for someone that professes to not care, lol).

 

This is nothing more than deliberate bait to see me react badly, and so you can take a moral stance with me, so obvious. You tryhards are so very predictable, bait denied...

 

Again.

 

Seriously though, grow up man!. I've got no issue with you. Yes, I disagree, and some of what you say is clearly ignoring some things that consistently get pointed out to you, if you refuse this, there's nothing I can do to add to how daft you look really. But on other aspects, and even here with crews kicking before a true reason, I agree with you, but still, you won't have it.

 

As I said before, my faults are my own, and I own them, so you have nothing on me other than a bit of deliberate bait with your pedantic post (your word). Yep, that was all you again, just like Black-Dragon pointed out, you're quick to drop a level and insult us that oppose you, but won't have another get back with a quip at you though, lol. Again, typical troll behaviour, nothing short of expected as a reaction though. But you 'trying to understand this', while clearly ignoring the reasoning offered, right or wrong, well, that's all you again fella.

 

You can say you won't read, like a petulant child, but you will. Bad enough you have to react like a child in a game, let alone here among adults discussing GTA. It's pathetic. If you truly feel I have this chip on my shoulder with you, report me, and let others decide. IMO, I do not have a single issue, yes, I can be as petty as you to fluff your pillow, but swings and roundabouts, you clearly need to insult us now and then. Be fair, hypocrite!.