Rogue's explosive guns? Pretty poor?

[Jammsbro]

Just got it and them and the range is similar to the annihilator and the two guns are actually very far apart so, while you expect Hydra levels of carnage, you actually miss quite a lot.

 

I have been totally missed by hydra gunfire and still killed by the explosions, we tested the rogue tonight and it's guns didn't kill a player standing in the middle of both of its guns.

 

Big let down, lover the plane, already considering selling it due to really poor weapon set up.

[nmk111]

yes total week sauce, nowhere near hydra cannon. much dissapoint in rogue. cant even missile spam. +some stupid mechanic when i go close to the ground its like it thinks i want to land and starts pulling me down or is it just me? only upsides are somewhat cheap price, good manouverability and counter measures. might even sell mine, i can use the free cuban if i want to bomb stuff and crab a free lazer for dogfights.

[Arrows to Athens]

They're garbage and not accurate. It's very sluggish in terms of handling and maneuverability as well. Sold it.

Edited September 8, 2017 by Arrows to Athens

[idonknowhow]

Still better than mini gun.

[CosmicBuffalo]

There are people in the will you buy a lazer thread claiming its better than the lazer...lol, its fun, but thats about it. Falls into the 95% category of any dlc thats not really useful.

[Omnifarious]

I sold mine. I was hoping the Nokota was going to be better, but I hear it can't even get explosive cannons, so it's even worse... I wanted a good retro dogfighter.

[Happy Hunter]

Against people on the ground? I find it's easier to just use free aimed missiles.

 

 

[Jammsbro]

I was going to keep mine because it looks great and the explosives will be good in dogfights but I think i'll just sell it and get the spitfire.

[Skeve613]

The fire rate on the Rogue's cannons are much lower than the ones on the Lazer/Hydra/Savage. So, you can't simply pull the nose across a target while firing and have a good chance of hitting it.

 

When you combine the guns being in the wings and not the nose with the short range of all vehicle weapons in GTA, you have to worry about convergence usually spacing the rounds apart. A Hydra has both guns in the nose, so they effectively cover almost the same area, and the Savage has only one gun. A Lazer has both guns farther apart, but close enough together that the pilot can basically aim as though they are firing only one gun, but with the added benefit of covering more area with explosions when attacking ground targets.

 

The end result of the above being that you can't consistently place shots in the same spot, and that you can't hose the area ahead of a target and let them fly/drive into it compared with being in a Hydra/Lazer. I wouldn't mind either factor on its own, I don't even mind not having the easy mode of a Hydra/Lazer, but together these two factors just make for a frustrating experience.

 

Another note is that with the lower fire rate, the physics effects of hitting a target a way lower. For example, whereas in a Hydra/Lazer/Savage you can hose down one of the armored Headhunter vehicles and send it flying around with a hail of localized explosions, if you can even hit it in a Rogue it will barely be affected.

[IdRatherBeFlying]

They're garbage and not accurate. It's very sluggish in terms of handling and maneuverability as well. Sold it.

 

While the cannons are weak the Rogue with race handling is the most maneuverable airplane in the game by a wide margin. It takes a lot of practice to get used to it but it can easily take down any Hydra or Lazer. You get behind them and they can never escape. Keep hitting them with the cannons and they bail out or eventually explode.

[The Wandering Hunter]

stop comparing them to broken op hydra cannons

 

they're good if you use them right.

 

and you have bombs

 

also, missiles are effective against ground targets.

Edited September 11, 2017 by The Sole Survivor

[Jammsbro]

stop comparing them to broken op hydra cannons

 

they're good if you use them right.

 

and you have bombs

 

also, missiles are effective against ground targets.

I tried the protect the titan mission with it and the guns were pathetic. Incredibly short range meant I had to get really close. Took four or five flybys and nothing exploded.

 

Already sold it.

[JAKEBAB]

It is significantly cheaper than the Hydra so it kinda makes sense it's not as good.... Also it would be Op af it's got Awesome Maneuverability, rockets, flares, bombs and explosive rounds.

Edited September 11, 2017 by JAKEBAB

[varulven]

The range of the guns is really poor, try a strafing run with it, you have to get so low to the ground that the thing just gets buffeted about (tries to land?) and you couldn't hit a barn door with it. If the handling was fixed so that low level strafing runs were viable (or the range increased) then it would be great, at present tho, mine just remains a stunt plane with bombs. Won't sell it tho, just bcs it looks so damn good.

[HonorableMan]

They're weaker than the Hydra or Lazer cannons, but you can tear people up with them. You've got to lead just a little bit more, because vehicles won't come apart with one or two hits. In a dogfight, where you can just catch someone's tail and they're dead when you're flying the Hydra or Lazer, you've got to consistently hit them when piloting a Rogue. Two or three shots will generally put a jet out of commission. A couple more and it's a ball of fire. Ideally, you get them to bank across your path and it's child's play. Best way to do that, get a solid missile lock, and then when they break off cut them off. It's pretty easy, because you can always be inside a jet's turning circle in a Rogue.

Edited September 11, 2017 by HonorableMan

[Da Elite Ninjah]

So it was not just me and my lousy aim. Good to know

[CosmicBuffalo]

 

They're garbage and not accurate. It's very sluggish in terms of handling and maneuverability as well. Sold it.

While the cannons are weak the Rogue with race handling is the most maneuverable airplane in the game by a wide margin. It takes a lot of practice to get used to it but it can easily take down any Hydra or Lazer. You get behind them and they can never escape. Keep hitting them with the cannons and they bail out or eventually explode.

^This is disinfo.

Fly around maze bank going full speed. You almost hit the outside buildings in the rogue. The hydra and lazer can crash into the maze bank going full speed because they turn much tighter.

Edited September 12, 2017 by GenericGTAO

[idonknowhow]

It is somewhat misleading, MG=Cannon?

 

 

[HonorableMan]

Cannons, if I recall correctly, are projectiles over 20mm. Machine guns are smaller. Hence Vulcan cannon, M2 machine gun.

Edited September 13, 2017 by HonorableMan

[Sky_Light12]

did any of you ever considering to use landing gears to slow down to aim easier ?

[HonorableMan]

Landing gear makes the thing drop like a stone.

[Rewdalf]

did any of you ever considering to use landing gears to slow down to aim easier ?

 

 

Landing gear makes the thing drop like a stone.

 

Yes, that ^

For whatever reason, pulling landing gear while at any sort of incline will just park a dark matter star on the front of the plane and plummet the front end into the ground.

 

If you're all talking about free-aim missiles, then the Molotok is what you're looking for.

No reason to bother with the Rogue unless you're looking for a capable two-seat fighter.

 

The Molotok can "spam" missiles, and boasts better speed and maneuverability.

Not to mention, my favorite part, it has airbrakes that work wonders and allow for much more complex maneuvers.

[_47_]

The Rogue is exceptional at dive bombing though. Using cluster bombs and cha ching! You may have to macro the bomb drop key to a button (PC) so you don't crash trying to dive bomb and release bombs at the same time...

 

 

Also most people who fly the Rogue that I have seen ONLY use it for dive bombing. It's like the explosive WW2 version of the Hydra. Just swap out explosive guns for bombs = same thing...

Edited September 13, 2017 by _47_

[Prince_Polaris]

The massive problem I have with the rogue is ONE part of the handling. On PC, you press 5 on the number pad to fly upwards. You press 4 or 6 to turn right or left while holding down 5. In the rogue... you can't do that. If you're holding 5, 4 and 6 do nothing, and I've crashed too many times because of this bullsh*t. I love the rogue, but... why do they have to f*ck up a part of the handling that I've learned by now!? Imagine if they released a new car where you couldn't f*cking turn left or right while holding on the gas! Ugh.

[xwinkx_girlYakuza]

Against people on the ground? I find it's easier to just use free aimed missiles.

 

 

Agreed. And also to dive bomb them as well

[justinlynch3]

I sold mine. I was hoping the Nokota was going to be better, but I hear it can't even get explosive cannons, so it's even worse... I wanted a good retro dogfighter.

Going from what I see in the missions, the Nakoda you can missile spam as it has the same non-stop missile system that the Savage has. Having that missile setup on a Savage helicopter is one thing but having it on fighter planes and fighter jets? I can't say personally as I haven't used these planes outside missions, but surely a Hydra can only run for so long right?

[DarkSavageDeathlyCloud]

I sold mine. I was hoping the Nokota was going to be better, but I hear it can't even get explosive cannons, so it's even worse... I wanted a good retro dogfighter.

That is honestly what it is...meaning it just can not keep up with a modern dog fighter.

 

Would it be better if it could ? sure....

 

But it is not that unreasonable bad for what it is.

[The Wandering Hunter]

 

I sold mine. I was hoping the Nokota was going to be better, but I hear it can't even get explosive cannons, so it's even worse... I wanted a good retro dogfighter.

Going from what I see in the missions, the Nakoda you can missile spam as it has the same non-stop missile system that the Savage has. Having that missile setup on a Savage helicopter is one thing but having it on fighter planes and fighter jets? I can't say personally as I haven't used these planes outside missions, but surely a Hydra can only run for so long right?it can dodge them indefinitely

[FrugalDangerMan]

 

I sold mine. I was hoping the Nokota was going to be better, but I hear it can't even get explosive cannons, so it's even worse... I wanted a good retro dogfighter.

That is honestly what it is...meaning it just can not keep up with a modern dog fighter.

 

Would it be better if it could ? sure....

 

But it is not that unreasonable bad for what it is.

 

 

 

This.

 

I mean, I'm sure the good ol'boys back in Dubya Dubya Two would have LOVED homing rockets and explosive cannon rounds, but that tech simply wasn't available at the time.

 

Might as well complain about how it doesn't have VTOL capabilities as well.

[The Wandering Hunter]

they should give rogue cannons to the annihilation