has r* gone too far with the grinding?

[Quinn_flower]

i know i know shark cards. but has r* gone to far with the grinding i mean a new player has to really bust their ass just to be stable. even popular you tubers are saying it as well.

 

to me yea prices keep going up shark card doesnt reflect those changes. ceo missions are repetitive like those been there done that things. i mean r* is pushing and pushing to a limit till some of us will walk up and leave and there are some on here have given up because of the endless grindfest and keeping up. it burned me out with destiny and that was a grind fest as well. to buy everything using the $100 shark card is $700 usd just think about that for a sec. the grind or the payout doesnt reflect the changes each update brings.

 

anyway what ya'll think and those who got their money taken recently what do you think?

 

 

 

 

 

Edited September 5, 2017 by Quinn_flower

[Prince_Polaris]

Short answer:

 

Long Answer: Yeah, the game has become a horrible mess of a grind. I don't demand to have everything at once, but it's probably going to take an entire year for me to gather all of the airplanes I want from smuggler's run. Yay....

Edited September 5, 2017 by Prince_Polaris

[Rafae]

Yes yes yes yes yes f*cking YES.

 

If it wasn't clear enough with this last update, I don't know how much more obvious they can make it. Doing crates is probably the only thing I can think of that's more grindy than hangar cargo and even then, at least it's profitable.

[ILL]

Yes.

$6.5 million for an aircraft is a bit of an overkill.

[Commander S]

 

Yes.

 

$6.5 million for an aircraft is a bit of an overkill.

 

Specifically, a year or so ago, $6 million bought you a base-level yacht - i.e., a floating luxury property with anti-air protection, a bunch of Pegasus watercraft, free weapon pick-ups, unique VIP activities, and more. And people thought that was overpriced.

 

Now? $6.5 million gets you ...the same jet you've been able to steal from the military base for free since 2013. Even getting Lester to bribe the cops first, how many of us have actually spent $6.5 million in bribe costs over the years? And the best part is, if you buy one of the new Zancudo hangars, you can just take free Lazers as often as you want.

 

 

More than anything, though, it's just ridiculous to think of how all this must look to someone who bought the game new any time since ...heck, Cunning Stunts (which is the first of the recent string of GTA V sales spikes). Because people are still getting into the game for the first time, even now - imagine getting past the tutorial, and being faced with a barrage of spam for things like bunkers, hangars, etc. (every time you start a session, until you buy them! ) and all the other 'endgame' content, which you won't be able to afford for months (unless you fork out for that stuff with real money).

[Rafae]

The time spent to profit earned ratio has totally gone out of the f*cking window now. The updates last year had a grind that was somewhat fair and didn't take an absurd amount of time to earn some big bucks (~8/9 hours for 1.6m worth of crates, 5/6 hours for 400/500k worth of drugs, 240k per hour selling cars solo)

 

With Gunrunning it started to take a strange turn. All the research items being locked behind a 225k paywall or waiting 2 to 3 hours for each upgrade (45 f*cking upgrades too mind you), waiting twelve hours just for 1m worth of weapons to sell.

 

Now, to make a profit, you're pretty much forced to combine some of the grinds together which require to you make a number of purchases beforehand, having to have at least 5m or so just to "access" the ability to grind. What a load of horse sh*t.

 

You should be able to make more money more efficiently as the updates progress since the items from each update tend to rise as well but instead Rockstar is going backwards with the money making and full blown steam train with the prices of everything. It's more obvious than ever now how much they want their loyal user base to start purchasing cash cards.

 

Even the gameplay has taken a sudden hit in quality with Smugglers Run. Gunrunning was actually somewhat enjoyable with its supply runs and MOC missions.

 

Rockstar seriously needs to reconsider some of the payouts of this freeroam work. It's becoming worse than a real full-time job grind.

[scalliano]

Speaking as one of the lesser victims of R*'s recent cashocalypse ($2.1m), I had already pretty much given up on the game when I discovered the aggressive RNG nature of the bunker research. In fact, I only logged in last week out of curiosity, otherwise I would never have known that I'd had money removed. That, along with R*'s atrocious customer service and what I've been reading about Smugglers' content, has pretty much sealed the deal for me and I've already uninstalled the game. I can't do it anymore, especially given the notion that any progress that I do make is entirely at the mercy of R*'s inept robot legion. What is the point? Really?

 

What hurts the most is that I was one of those people who defended this practice back at the start. Back then I saw it as simply making a bit of extra scratch from lazy people, but as time has gone on and the constant in-game hyperinflation has spiralled out of control I'm left wondering why I even bothered in the first place. Of course, you don't have to buy everything in the game, but even ONE thing costs more than an entire day's wages in real cash, and even then, there's the mandatory extra charges when it comes to things like offices, clubhouses, etc. But the final straw for me was the pay-to-skip random-roll research mechanic. That put me off the game even before R* decided to help themselves to my bank account.

 

And still, there will be people chiming in with "but it's free to play!" Is it b*!!*cks. Let's not forget the £55 entry fee. GTAO is NOT standalone. You already gave T2 your money, and now the fruits of Strauss Smellydick's shareholder circlejerk are being borne in front of our very eyes. I find it sad that when it comes to realism in video games, it basically boils down to that fact that even in a fictional, digital world, it's STILL only the rich kids who have all the cool stuff.

 

f*ck this game, f*ck R* tech support, f*ck RDR2, f*ck GTAVI and f*ck me for being so blind for so long.

 

#undermonetized4ever

[RollsReus1959]

R* went too far when they started allowing players to make large amounts of money (depending on how you feel) in Free Roam. Allowing players to make large amounts of money destroyed free roam and free roam is known as Zombie Roam to me. People are mindlessly grinding like zombies and forgetting that free roam is your equivalent to a break room in an office. It's where you go to hangout after doing heists or contact missions.

 

I am what you call a clown, troll, dont-give-a-F player in free roam. I drive around my cars stalking people, watching fights, talking trash in text (PC player) and other various things. When we didn't have anything to do in free roam we would organize an impromptu car show, fashion show, role play, mountain bike to Mt. Chilliad(sp) and other activities outside of making money in heists and contact missions. It was a congregation of players.

 

Today, free roam is dead. What I mean by that are the people grinding mindlessly. Who won't participate in car shows because it cuts into their grinding time. What R* did was bring grinders in a lobby that is otherwise known for chilling, griefing and fooling around.

 

I miss the missions and nobody does it anymore because you can do it in free roam but free roam isn't a place for this -or- at least it shouldn't.

 

The other day I asked a full lobby if they wanted to do an air show. Park our planes, walk around and even some freestyle flying and fly-bys. Nobody wanted part of it because they were grinding like zombies.

 

Zombie Roam rules GTAO. Free roam does not exist...it has become the main staple of the game.

 

Execs and Crims was the last time a free roam session that didn't involve heavy grinding. People were actually enjoying the new stuff....cars, apartments, houses and yachts.

Edited September 5, 2017 by RollsReus1959

[AmyStone]

Smugglers is not worth doing for the money. It took me a couple of hours to complete 5 resupplies on my own and it's only worth $50,000. They are too difficult. The enemies keep respawning so completely pointless killing them. All you can do is run. They either need to make the resupplies easier or give about 4x the amount of money for the supplies. I don't exactly enjoy going them either because they can be so annoying. Once I've unlocked all the aircraft trade prices then I'll go back to doing bunker work and might even open my coke business again.

[Amy Vinewood]

Now? $6.5 million gets you ...the same jet you've been able to steal from the military base for free since 2013. Even getting Lester to bribe the cops first, how many of us have actually spent $6.5 million in bribe costs over the years? And the best part is, if you buy one of the new Zancudo hangars, you can just take free Lazers as often as you want.

 

6+ Million for a laser isn't the first time they charged that much for a aircraft you could get for free. Remember the 10 million dollar gold luxor? I think that that is when it all started, it isn't necessarily this updates fault, it just grew worse over time.

[AmyStone]

 

Now? $6.5 million gets you ...the same jet you've been able to steal from the military base for free since 2013. Even getting Lester to bribe the cops first, how many of us have actually spent $6.5 million in bribe costs over the years? And the best part is, if you buy one of the new Zancudo hangars, you can just take free Lazers as often as you want.

6+ Million for a laser isn't the first time they charged that much for a aircraft you could get for free. Remember the 10 million dollar gold luxor? I think that that is when it all started, it isn't necessarily this updates fault, it just grew worse over time.

 

 

Did anyone actually buy one of those? A complete waste of money.

[D9fred95]

Uhh, yeah. RedDagger already pointed out why GTAO's grinding nonsense is awful in his thread.

[meat_popsicle]

This game is 4 years old and still getting content updates, it's like eating a nice meal and then getting comp'd for dessert. I couldn't list half the games I was playing 4 years ago, probably a bunch that I enjoyed and then forgot about, so the fact that this game still has legs after all this time is surprising espically when the content is "free" to an extent. Sure I think some of the prices are excessive, but the alternative here is that the game just gets zero content at all. It's not like they're under any obligation to keep providing it, beyond the fact that it's still generating revenue.

 

We weren't promised 3 years of updates when Online came out, it's not like anyone bought the game expecting this extra content. The fact that some of it is a bit lackluster seems irrelevant to me, it's not what I bought the game for, it's just a nice extra. Even though I don't buy a fraction of what comes out, I enjoy that the game is active and has a strong playerbase to fill up lobbies, which is in part driven by consistent content updates.

Edited September 5, 2017 by meat_popsicle

[Commander S]

Thing with the Luxor/Swift Deluxe was that they were kinda the 'yachts' of last-gen - Ill-Gotten Gains was the swan song for updates on 360 and PS3, and so you've got a couple of ridiculous flashy purchases to work towards. Particularly coming straight after Heists* - if you've done the Criminal Mastermind run, you can probably afford both. And there's nothing else quite that stupidly-expensive on last-gen, so they're very much an exception, rather than a rule.

 

But then, that was also true of things like supercars on last-gen - things that cost several million were rare exceptions (with the two most expensive - Osiris and T20 - coming, predictably, as part of Ill-Gotten Gains again), and most cars cost well under a million. Now? $2 million for a supercar is seen as 'normal' - and on top of that, there's now weaponised stuff that costs much more.


*it's also fair to say that part of the reasoning behind Ill-Gotten Gains was to act as a means of soaking up a lot of the money people had earned during Heists - knock the average bank account down, and put players back into a position where they didn't have more than enough money to buy anything...

[Xiled]

The update that cut mission payouts in half and the amount of times they changed how rooftop rumble and coveted worked. Not our fault that literally zero contact missions take more than 6 minutes to complete. Had you not rushed online out in its broken state you could have had exactly the payouts you wanted to begin with. Not our fault the original violent duct literally could be beat in 15 seconds and gave you $9,000 each time. If anything players grinding violent duct was payback for gta onlines disaster launch. It made SimCity5 launch look good. #NeverForget

 

This quote from the gameranx video comment section sums rockstar up pretty well.

Gta 2 "And remember respect is everything"

Gta 5 "And remember shark cards are everything"

Edited September 5, 2017 by Xiled

[Quinn_flower]

^^^ oh i remember those years dont for get no hay bronca spam rpg easy money

[Needle Banger]

They literally lost me the second I drove into the car mod shop for the first time on PS3 and saw the ridiculous prices of everything. That was only a taste of things to come and I knew it then, and wow have I ever been proven right since!

 

Stupid trash game.

[Amy Vinewood]

But then, that was also true of things like supercars on last-gen - things that cost several million were rare exceptions (with the two most expensive - Osiris and T20 - coming, predictably, as part of Ill-Gotten Gains again), and most cars cost well under a million. Now? $2 million for a supercar is seen as 'normal' - and on top of that, there's now weaponised stuff that costs much more.

 

And that's when they started the trend of releasing a car, then a slightly better car a few weeks later.

If you were really into racing and wanted the "best" car most people bought the newer one.

[meat_popsicle]

They literally lost me the second I drove into the car mod shop for the first time on PS3 and saw the ridiculous prices of everything. That was only a taste of things to come and I knew it then, and wow have I ever been proven right since!

 

Stupid trash game.

 

Signing up just to whine about shark cards, your life must be exciting.

Edited September 5, 2017 by meat_popsicle

[Xiled]

 

They literally lost me the second I drove into the car mod shop for the first time on PS3 and saw the ridiculous prices of everything. That was only a taste of things to come and I knew it then, and wow have I ever been proven right since!

 

Stupid trash game.

 

Signing up just to whine about shark cards, your life must be exciting.

 

To be fair they said nothing about shark cards your the one who brought it up.

[meat_popsicle]

 

 

They literally lost me the second I drove into the car mod shop for the first time on PS3 and saw the ridiculous prices of everything. That was only a taste of things to come and I knew it then, and wow have I ever been proven right since!

 

Stupid trash game.

 

Signing up just to whine about shark cards, your life must be exciting.

 

To be fair they said nothing about shark cards your the one who brought it up.

 

 

From posts I read yesterday in the B&M topic. Lots of people seem to want everyone to know just how much they don't care about this game by specifically going out of their way to sign up and tell people they don't care.

[Needle Banger]

 

 

 

They literally lost me the second I drove into the car mod shop for the first time on PS3 and saw the ridiculous prices of everything. That was only a taste of things to come and I knew it then, and wow have I ever been proven right since!

 

Stupid trash game.

 

Signing up just to whine about shark cards, your life must be exciting.

 

To be fair they said nothing about shark cards your the one who brought it up.

 

 

From posts I read yesterday in the B&M topic. Lots of people seem to want everyone to know just how much they don't care about this game by specifically going out of their way to sign up and tell people they don't care.

 

Correct. And to be fair I've been booted off this website for speaking the truth numerous times before, so its not like I just showed up yesterday.

 

Are you the 1 person who voted "No" in this thread?

[LL Cool L]

in all honesty I don't think R* care about "new players".....neither would I, the game is old as hell, the dedicated community have come a long way and have been here a long time...90% of us have a lot of money, a lot of us have more money than we know what to do with...new players can still have fun, because everything is still there....it would only seem long to us because we have been playing and know how long it took to get to where we are, but to a new player, everything is new...there is no race to be the richest or own everything, none of my garages are full because I dnt feel the need to have EVERY new item and new car...I dnt have the yacht cos i dont want one, it does not suit my characters personality etc

 

I think using luxury items like the Gold Jet are bad examples....because its not a requirement to own everything...some items are literally made for very rich players (if I see a player with a gold luxor, I KNOW he is balling, glitched money or not)...some items are there to give others something to work towards...I dont know how you expect R* to keep players playing after so long when most of us have so much money...put it this way...say most of us have an average of 4-5mil...if every new item was really affordable then every1 would be abel to buy everything at once, it would lose value and players would get bored MUCH quicker...making some items expensive gives players something to work towards...

 

keep in mind, we the players invented the "grind"

 

I mean this is the foundation of the entire game...money, making money, spending money, etc....the game is based around money...R* know what they are doin and know how to keep players coming back...you have to leave something to be desired, its very simple...locking things behind research, dripfeed, expensive unique or limited items, all keep players coming back, I would have never done as many bunker missions if not trying to unlock some particular weapons...

 

it makes sense...especially for a 4 year old PS3 game.....

[clinical oppression]

it all started with x80 proto ....then the shotaro

[Xiled]

it all started with x80 proto ....then the shotaro

Actually the Osiris than the T20 lol

[derek0514]

I have decided to retire from grinding for awhile based on a number of reasons doing other stuff. My first smugglers run supply mission such a failure I won't be doing the business end. I do like the hangar and being Able modify plane. I bought 2 planes which were $1.5 m and that's it.

 

I plan drain last of my medium range vehicles from Auto Export. All top range sold off during double dollars. I grinded heavily both AE and GR when these doubled. AE about only one want fool with. Either gamers thumb or a sprained left thumb from a fall put a crimp in my gaming recently. AE much better than GR - I hate it when I get hosed with dune buggy drops. I plan use shark card option more. I just don't like surprises on missions like in mc when get hosed w multiple delivery vehicles.

 

Unless there is some new swanky beach property in the game or live in SB no big spending for me. I am a mature player over 30 and enjoy strategy / enterprise more than having some new wartoy every month which sells for multiples of the most expensive penthouse in the game and really has no strategic value like a yacht, buzzard, Karuna, Cargo Bob, Hydra.

 

I can c grinding to get a mill but 6 mill a really tough road and even worse w loaded pvp lobbies.

Edited September 5, 2017 by derek0514

[Amy Vinewood]

I think using luxury items like the Gold Jet are bad examples....because its not a requirement to own everything...

The only example i was trying to give was 6+ Million for a laser isn't the first time they charged that much for a aircraft you could get for free.

 

No its not a requirement to own a gold jet, or a laser you can own and paint, or a yacht.

 

 

 

Did anyone actually buy one of those? A complete waste of money.

I haven't, but i seen a few around. I heard it was useful during criminal damage but since I dont own one I cant be sure.

[meat_popsicle]

 

 

 

 

They literally lost me the second I drove into the car mod shop for the first time on PS3 and saw the ridiculous prices of everything. That was only a taste of things to come and I knew it then, and wow have I ever been proven right since!

 

Stupid trash game.

 

Signing up just to whine about shark cards, your life must be exciting.

 

To be fair they said nothing about shark cards your the one who brought it up.

 

 

From posts I read yesterday in the B&M topic. Lots of people seem to want everyone to know just how much they don't care about this game by specifically going out of their way to sign up and tell people they don't care.

 

Correct. And to be fair I've been booted off this website for speaking the truth numerous times before, so its not like I just showed up yesterday.

 

Are you the 1 person who voted "No" in this thread?

 

 

I didn't vote. I just think it's all much ado about nothing, personally, and the fact that you feel like you have to "keep coming back to speak the truth" sounds really silly.

[Happy Hunter]

Honestly, they went "too far" with the grinding and the prices a very long time ago.

Actually far enough that I would consider passing though? Gunrunning had to be the one, with that disgusting research system. It's only because people (myself included) thought there'd be aircraft that I had a load of money ready for it, and so spent a lot. If I hadn't had the money, I wouldn't have bothered grinding for all that.

Smuggler's Run at least ditched that revolting system. The new work pays ... Pretty terribly, and it's not great for lone wolves. But at least it doesn't take away from existing work. Still got I/E if you need to make money. I do the new work not for the money, but for the chance to fly the Hunter lol. The missions are a nice change for the most part, even if the formula's a little old.

To get back on track, yeah they went too far ages ago. Cash cards, etc. Gunrunning is the only one where it's basically intolerable though, in my opinion.

 

 

[TovarishTony]

sh*t started to drain in Finance & felony, tried some Bikers but didn't have time to run the business then after that move on the other games.