Will any one of you buy a Lazer for 6.5 million?

[Rafae]

I'm buying it and I do have the FZ hangar lol

[Killer Whale]

Only if I have a lot of money to burn and nothing to burn it on. And that means if I bought what I want of whatever's coming for December, the hangar, and the planes I really want for it.

[xXxKAMIKAZExXx]

I really don't see any point in buying this. I can just steal one for free. If it's a Pegasus vehicle, then maybe for missions...but still, I already have the Hydra, which in some ways it's better: VTOL abilities for landing anywhere, more spawn points when requesting it, ability to use two at the same time (Personal and Pegasus) and it's way faster than the LAZER. Sure, the LAZER has better agility, but I've defeated players in much more sluggish aircraft. Most dogfights are won by the pilot, not the plane.

[Arrows to Athens]

I'm most likely never gonna play this game again, but hypothetically speaking, no. Money isn't an issue, since I have 400 million, but the Hydra is enough for me, in my experience at least. If I do ever want to fly it, I'd just steal it.

Edited November 6, 2017 by Arrows to Athens

[StangOne50]

What a pointless topic.

Pointless post :oD

 

I think some of you are forgetting the fact that this will be a PV. This means you can spawn it anywhere on the map.

Edited November 6, 2017 by StangOne50

[Arrows to Athens]

 

What a pointless topic.

Pointless post :oD

 

I think some of you are forgetting the fact that this will be a PV. This means you can spawn it anywhere on the map.

 

That still doesn't justify the 6.5 million price tag, in my opinion. I mean, the Hydra is only 3 million, and you can make that your PV by flying it into the Hangar so that you can spawn anywhere on the map all for free!

[elfoam]

 

 

If they somehow decide to remove the Lazer from FZ to encourage ppl to buy them.. i'd be super pissed.. then i'd buy it LOL

They can't remove it, for 4 years we've stolen them in the middle of contact missions :0

 

 

Aren't they, or weren't they also available in Heists (or at least the setup missions) up until a point? I seem to remember a couple of excursions to Fort Zancudo during Pacific Standard : Signal, even landing on the island to re-collect the Lazer after the cutscene with Avi.

 

Yes you can grab a lazer during all heists, at least you could last time I played a heist :0

[StangOne50]

 

 

What a pointless topic.

Pointless post :oD

 

I think some of you are forgetting the fact that this will be a PV. This means you can spawn it anywhere on the map.

 

That still doesn't justify the 6.5 million price tag, in my opinion. I mean, the Hydra is only 3 million, and you can make that your PV by flying it into the Hangar so that you can spawn anywhere on the map all for free!

 

The hydra has its advantages but as far as pvp we are talking about (arguably)the single most OP item in the entire game.

Id rather pay 6.5 million instead of paying 3 mill and getting my ass kicked by Lazers.

[CosmicBuffalo]

^thats right, 6.5 mil of fake money or fly to zancudo in passive when thr hydra is consistently beaten. Even I must admit the rogue in proper hands can beat the hydra. And I definitly dismissed the rogue, still kindve do, but I have lost against with a hydra where I didnt make a mistake.

Edited November 6, 2017 by GenericGTAO

[Arrows to Athens]

 

 

 

What a pointless topic.

Pointless post :oD

 

I think some of you are forgetting the fact that this will be a PV. This means you can spawn it anywhere on the map.

 

That still doesn't justify the 6.5 million price tag, in my opinion. I mean, the Hydra is only 3 million, and you can make that your PV by flying it into the Hangar so that you can spawn anywhere on the map all for free!

 

The hydra has its advantages but as far as pvp we are talking about (arguably)the single most OP item in the entire game.

Id rather pay 6.5 million instead of paying 3 mill and getting my ass kicked by Lazers.

 

The Lazer was nerfed a while back. In my experience, the Hydra has always done me good when it came to dogfighting and killing players on ground. If you're a very good pilot, you can easily beat most Lazer pilots in a Hydra unless, of course, you're going up against another skilled pilot in a Lazer.

Edited November 6, 2017 by Arrows to Athens

[StangOne50]

The Lazer was nerfed a while back. In my experience, the Hydra has always done me good when it came to dogfighting and killing players on ground. If you're a very good pilot, you can easily beat most Lazer pilots in a Hydra unless, of course, you're going up against another skilled pilot in a Lazer.

 

 

 

 

How was the Lazer nerfed? I have never noticed or heard anything about it. If anything it was buffed as it takes 2 HL to take it out now unless you hit it head on.

Edited November 6, 2017 by StangOne50

[Arrows to Athens]

 

The Lazer was nerfed a while back. In my experience, the Hydra has always done me good when it came to dogfighting and killing players on ground. If you're a very good pilot, you can easily beat most Lazer pilots in a Hydra unless, of course, you're going up against another skilled pilot in a Lazer.

 

 

 

 

How was the Lazer nerfed? I have never noticed or heard anything about it. If anything it was buffed as it takes 2 HL to take it out now unless you hit it head on.

 

Both the Hydra and Lazer always required 2 HL to blow up. The first causes it to go on fire, and the second blows it up. No buff at all.

 

It's the RPG that can blow them up in one hit, and it's always been like this.

 

As for the nerf: http://gtaforums.com/topic/889327-lazer-nerf/

 

http://gtaforums.com/topic/860017-next-dlc-speculation-thread/page-3074?do=findComment&comment=1069644057

Edited November 6, 2017 by Arrows to Athens

[StangOne50]

 

 

The Lazer was nerfed a while back. In my experience, the Hydra has always done me good when it came to dogfighting and killing players on ground. If you're a very good pilot, you can easily beat most Lazer pilots in a Hydra unless, of course, you're going up against another skilled pilot in a Lazer.

 

 

 

 

How was the Lazer nerfed? I have never noticed or heard anything about it. If anything it was buffed as it takes 2 HL to take it out now unless you hit it head on.

 

Both the Hydra and Lazer always required 2 HL to blow up. The first cause it to go on fire, and the second blows it up. No buff at all.

 

It's the RPG that can blow them up in one hit.

 

As for the nerf: http://gtaforums.com/topic/889327-lazer-nerf/

 

http://gtaforums.com/topic/860017-next-dlc-speculation-thread/page-3074?do=findComment&comment=1069644057

 

Ah ok I think I do remember that but Im not sure if I noticed a difference. May have felt slower for about a week, cant recall.

For me the only thing the Lazer lost in its transition to CG is a slight loss of agility. The armor and range of the cannons were both buffed for CG.

I think with the new planes the Lazer finally has some competition in dogfights but for ground targets the Lazer is still king imo due to its acceleration, climbing ability and agility.

[Arrows to Athens]

 

 

 

The Lazer was nerfed a while back. In my experience, the Hydra has always done me good when it came to dogfighting and killing players on ground. If you're a very good pilot, you can easily beat most Lazer pilots in a Hydra unless, of course, you're going up against another skilled pilot in a Lazer.

 

 

 

 

How was the Lazer nerfed? I have never noticed or heard anything about it. If anything it was buffed as it takes 2 HL to take it out now unless you hit it head on.

 

Both the Hydra and Lazer always required 2 HL to blow up. The first cause it to go on fire, and the second blows it up. No buff at all.

 

It's the RPG that can blow them up in one hit.

 

As for the nerf: http://gtaforums.com/topic/889327-lazer-nerf/

 

http://gtaforums.com/topic/860017-next-dlc-speculation-thread/page-3074?do=findComment&comment=1069644057

 

Ah ok I think I do remember that but Im not sure if I noticed a difference. May have felt slower for about a week, cant recall.

For me the only thing the Lazer lost in its transition to CG is a slight loss of agility. The armor and range of the cannons were both buffed for CG.

I think with the new planes the Lazer finally has some competition in dogfights but for ground targets the Lazer is still king imo due to its acceleration, climbing ability and agility.

 

The Hydra is better for taking out ground targets, since it can dive bomb much more effectively, not to mention its hovering ability.

Edited November 6, 2017 by Arrows to Athens

[TankGirl]

Think I will pass on this one. Unless R makes it so you cant steal them from the military base anymore.

[Gaffa]

Sorry but the Lazer hasn't ever been nerfed, buffed, anything, since it came to current gen. In fact I don't think it's been changed, ever.

 

https://www.diffchecker.com/K2OfxWpD

 

That will expire in a month's time. The data on the left is from the common.rpf file from the game directory. The data on the right is the current, as it comes from the update\ update.rpf\ data folder.

 

Now that's just how the plane acts - on the ground, in the air, etc. Explosive resistance may be scripted, but after testing I can say that's it on par with the Hydra when it comes to damage.

Edited November 6, 2017 by Gaffa™

[StangOne50]

Sorry but the Lazer hasn't ever been nerfed, buffed, anything, since it came to current gen. In fact I don't think it's been changed, ever.

 

https://www.diffchecker.com/K2OfxWpD

 

That will expire in a month's time. The data on the left is from the common.rpf file from the game directory. The data on the right is the current, as it comes from the update\ update.rpf\ data folder.

 

Now that's just how the plane acts - on the ground, in the air, etc. Explosive resistance may be scripted, but after testing I can say that's it on par with the Hydra when it comes to damage.

It may not have been changed in the files but it is certainly not the same on lg as it is on cg. The cannons are the most obvious difference having a much larger range on cg. The difference in agility was the second thing I noticed. And then of course armor. On ps3 it is a 1 hit kill with any type of missile.

 

 

 

 

The Hydra is better for taking out ground targets, since it can dive bomb much more effectively, not to mention its hovering ability.

A matter of personal preference I suppose. I am far more efficient in killing ground targets with the lazer than I could ever be in the hydra.

As far as hovering. I would not recommend it in public lobbies these days due to explosive rounds, you will be a sitting duck.

Edited November 6, 2017 by StangOne50

[Arrows to Athens]

 

 

The Hydra is better for taking out ground targets, since it can dive bomb much more effectively, not to mention its hovering ability.

A matter of personal preference I suppose. I am far more efficient in killing ground targets with the lazer than I could ever be in the hydra.

As far as hovering. I would not recommend it in public lobbies these days due to explosive rounds, you will be a sitting duck.

 

The Lazer feels heavier to me, for some reason, though it does have better canon range.

 

As for the hovering, I only use it for dive bombing. There's a hovering technique when you dive bomb, allowing you to dive bomb more effectively and giving you more time to spray when going down; this alos prevents you from getting RPG'd from the ground player. Here's one example where I do a weird stunt in the process:

 

 

Edited November 6, 2017 by Arrows to Athens

[Gaffa]

 

Sorry but the Lazer hasn't ever been nerfed, buffed, anything, since it came to current gen. In fact I don't think it's been changed, ever.

 

https://www.diffchecker.com/K2OfxWpD

 

That will expire in a month's time. The data on the left is from the common.rpf file from the game directory. The data on the right is the current, as it comes from the update\ update.rpf\ data folder.

 

Now that's just how the plane acts - on the ground, in the air, etc. Explosive resistance may be scripted, but after testing I can say that's it on par with the Hydra when it comes to damage.

It may not have been changed in the files but it is certainly not the same on lg as it is on cg. The cannons are the most obvious difference having a much larger range on cg. The difference in agility was the second thing I noticed. And then of course armor. On ps3 it is a 1 hit kill with any type of missile.

 

Ahh well comparing to last gen, the flight handling data is the same as current - the cannon definitely was changed though as you pointed out (https://www.diffchecker.com/jrzvsQS5). It's rate of fire being halved from 50 rounds per second to 25 might have something to do with the blast and for sure, the range was upped. Interesting how it was originally 120m - the same as the Savage's cannon currently.

 

But yeah I think it's a better plane on CG compared to LG for sure. There were times when another aircraft's missile hit the Lazer and didn't destroy it - although all of the control surfaces were gone so you had to bail out anyway - it depended which bone of the vehicle the weapon hit. Now though it just seems they have script(s) governing how vehicles get destroyed from explosives, which at least makes my job a little easier

[WickedHandzz]

Just saw the price tag of 6.5 million on the Wikia. Got surprised. Perhaps no one gonna buy it anyway, so R* put a crazy price and wait to see if any rich newbie spend $$$ shark cards on it?

Not at all, I have an Hydra.

The Lazer is just the nerfed version of the Hydra, but with a different shape.

[Black-Dragon96]

^ Well its more the other way round, you could say the hydra is the nerfed version of the lazer that got a hovermode to make up for it's shortcommings. The lazer is a lot more agile and lighter. While it might be a little slower than the hydra, the lazer has a higher aceleration, that helps in dogfights.

[Rabid Vulpix]

Yup, why not.

I've got every other aircraft, at this point it'd be silly for me not to keep up to date with stupidly having every plane, jet, & helicopter that's released.

Edited November 8, 2017 by Foreverpast

[Gridl0k]

I will, but, can we have a new modern fighter/bomber jet pls r*? This doesn't let you off.

 

I will literally never moan about anything you ever do ever again if I can have a YF-23... Or go stand at the end of the runway at Palmdale and make some sketches..

[CosmicBuffalo]

Sorry but the Lazer hasn't ever been nerfed, buffed, anything, since it came to current gen. In fact I don't think it's been changed, ever.

 

https://www.diffchecker.com/K2OfxWpD

 

That will expire in a month's time. The data on the left is from the common.rpf file from the game directory. The data on the right is the current, as it comes from the update\ update.rpf\ data folder.

 

Now that's just how the plane acts - on the ground, in the air, etc. Explosive resistance may be scripted, but after testing I can say that's it on par with the Hydra when it comes to damage.

The handling was nerfed recently after gunrunning I think. The bumpers are not as effective. You used to be able to just go staight up and turn a full 360 without really using the thumbstick. Now the bumpers just arent as effective. Its more thumbstick dependent. Edited November 9, 2017 by GenericGTAO

[Shade04rek]

After hitting the money glitch lotto, have been buying everything, and will continue to, w/o even the discount price.

[Gaffa]

 

Sorry but the Lazer hasn't ever been nerfed, buffed, anything, since it came to current gen. In fact I don't think it's been changed, ever.

 

https://www.diffchecker.com/K2OfxWpD

 

That will expire in a month's time. The data on the left is from the common.rpf file from the game directory. The data on the right is the current, as it comes from the update\ update.rpf\ data folder.

 

Now that's just how the plane acts - on the ground, in the air, etc. Explosive resistance may be scripted, but after testing I can say that's it on par with the Hydra when it comes to damage.

The handling was nerfed recently after gunrunning I think. The bumpers are not as effective. You used to be able to just go staight up and turn a full 360 without really using the thumbstick. Now the bumpers just arent as effective. Its more thumbstick dependent.

 

 

Didn't you check the link I just posted? The plane hasn't been touched since current gen.

 

The bumpers operate the rudder, which means the yaw must've changed. It hasn't.

Edited November 10, 2017 by Gaffa™

[StangOne50]

 

 

Sorry but the Lazer hasn't ever been nerfed, buffed, anything, since it came to current gen. In fact I don't think it's been changed, ever.

 

https://www.diffchecker.com/K2OfxWpD

 

That will expire in a month's time. The data on the left is from the common.rpf file from the game directory. The data on the right is the current, as it comes from the update\ update.rpf\ data folder.

 

Now that's just how the plane acts - on the ground, in the air, etc. Explosive resistance may be scripted, but after testing I can say that's it on par with the Hydra when it comes to damage.

The handling was nerfed recently after gunrunning I think. The bumpers are not as effective. You used to be able to just go staight up and turn a full 360 without really using the thumbstick. Now the bumpers just arent as effective. Its more thumbstick dependent.

 

 

Didn't you check the link I just posted? The plane hasn't been touched since current gen.

 

The bumpers operate the rudder, which means the yaw must've changed. It hasn't.

 

If nothing changed in your link where did the link arrows posted come from and why does that one show changes?

A few differing opinions in here. We must get to the bottom of this lol

[CosmicBuffalo]

I have never checked the files or anything along those lines. I just go by feeling. Similarly to my camera angle theory. I rely on the forums to confirm or deny my ideas in regards to the files. If I am wrong, no big deal.

 

I know for me after gunrunning...dive bombing with the lazer is more difficult. My preference is too dive bomb always to avoid being rpged. I used to be able to go straight up with lazer, hold in the left bumper and the plane would spin around so I would do a 180, now it seems impossible to this with lazer...I have to use the thumb stick to try and spin back to 180 which is no big deal once you get used to it. I can still do this dive bombing 180 turn technique using mainly the bumpers with the hyrda. Get right above the target, go straight down, pull up, use the left bumper to spin 180 degrees, and then come right back down. And just repeatedly to this until the person i'm attacking leaves. The lazer was nearly impossible to hit with a homing doing this. The hydra has always been susceptible to homing doing the diving bombing attack as it doesn't climb fast enough.

 

The best way to defeat a dive bombing hydra. Lock on with homing during ascent, fire so the homing chases, ewo, shoot with explosive snpier while hydra has to avoid homing.

[rlk232]

I accidentally also bought the Pyro, by accident, beefed up haha. I pimped it out so it was nearly $6m. I'm effing broke. Between th hangar and stuff I got my second char, with all my main characters new aircraft and hangars, holy effing shiz. We need 2x via and businesses for like a month. I'm down well over $40m net and at my lowest point in years.

 

I have a FZ hangar and one or two dozen lasers within 100 yards that I can easily steal and I really prefer the hydra anyway. Like I said, on sale or if we can get some good 2x modes soon. I'm broke ($149m), we're talking hard earned money. 6.5 mill and will we need to spend another mill on upgrades?

Edited November 11, 2017 by rlk232

[MechanicMammal]

Do I think it is worth it? no not really.

Will I buy one? Yes but there are more important purchases first.

Why will I buy one? For all the wrong reasons lol! mainly to make my hanger look good, placed opposite the hydra and grouped with my other attack aircraft.

Will it be used? No probably not often it is a collection piece, I am sure people will disagree but I think the new planes are as formidable if not more so than the Lazer in a dogfight.

The Hydra is a better tool for missions.

Every plane is faster A to B in a straight line

It was a better dog fighter than the hydra but I do feel it is super seeded since the SR update