Why Is This Game Going Away From What Made It Work?

[Yellow Dog with Cone]

You say griefer, I say destroyer. tit for tat. It is what GTA has been for me since IV MP. You can say it is for those who don't know any better. Implying your opinion matters over mine. It does not.

The difference is that, unlike in GTA V, killing players and destroying vehicles in GTA IV MP had no negative effect whatsoever, aside from losing your weapons.

 

Not only the stakes in play are way too higher in GTAO, destroying sales is so absurdly easy is not even funny, challenging or fair.

 

My opinion is not more important than yours (or viceversa), but what really grinds my gears is that the players who wants game balance, wants to play in peace or wants more PvE content are just plain ignored in favor of those who only want to blow sh*t up.

 

Whatever term you want to use to justify your griefing ways doesn't matter.

Edited August 27, 2017 by Voodoo-Hendrix

[DeMinoTheDragon]

GTA IV Multiplayer >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> GTAO

This

 

It's one of the very few things I'd say IV did better.

 

In the beginning, GTAO was better than IV hands down.

 

Now, however, there's just too much bullsh*t and it just doesn't feel like GTA.

 

Meanwhile, IV's multiplayer does feel GTA. Everyone is on an even playing field, no bullsh*t flying motorcyles or anything like that. The most you had to worry for was a helicopter or the APC if you were playing TBoGT.

[spincther]

The Bankers of T2 have taken over R*. R* is not for the player by the player anymore. R* is by and for the bottom line now.

[CaliMeatWagon]

Why the hell did they turn GtaO into a crappy call of duty rip off? I know the obvious answer is greed but there's more to it. This feels like a nasty harbinger of things to come. I want no part of endless pvp and forced sales with Ritalin added tweens in full public lobbies. Is it because they lack creative vision without the benz?

 

I've been a loyal customer for a along time and even played the hell outta IV online but they're kind of pushing me off the train now. The game was not supposed to turn into this.

 

Horrible comparison. Call Duty maps only have 2 hallways and no vehicles. Call of Duty wishes it could be this good...

 

I mean seriously think about it. GTA:O is more of a tactical shooter than any of the games from the CoD series.

[Rammer2k]

Maybe Rockstar is just testing just how much crap they can fill up Free Roam before it completely crashes. At least take solace that Red Dead 2 won't have nearly as much military crap than GTAO. Unless of course they release Back 2 The Future type Steam Trains that can take off, and drop dynamite on everyone.

[spincther]

 

You say griefer, I say destroyer. tit for tat. It is what GTA has been for me since IV MP. You can say it is for those who don't know any better. Implying your opinion matters over mine. It does not.

The difference is that, unlike in GTA V, killing players and destroying vehicles in GTA IV MP had no negative effect whatsoever, aside from losing your weapons.

 

Not only the stakes in play are way too higher in GTAO, destroying sales is so absurdly easy is not even funny, challenging or fair.

 

My opinion is not more important than yours (or viceversa), but what really grinds my gears is that the players who wants game balance, wants to play in peace or wants more PvE content are just plain ignored in favor of those who only want to blow sh*t up.

 

Whatever term you want to use to justify your griefing ways doesn't matter.

 

 

The dude your talkn with pumps himself up on steroids and has a tiny tryhard dick because of it. lol

Edited August 27, 2017 by -RP-

[SmokesWithCigs]

As far as I'm concerned, you can still all the stuff that I think you'd consider 'classic GTA Online'.

 

Nobody is stopping you doing Contact Missions, making low levels of earnings, pimping out streetcars, delivering cars to Simeon, Survivals (I am partial to a good Survival tbh)

 

Nobody is forcing you to do anything other than what you enjoy about GTA. You don't have to get a CEO Office. You don't have to get into the MC or Bunker Stock game.

 

I personally love that GTA is so versatile you can literally do anything you want in it.

 

And, again, personally, I really enjoy the new DLCs that come out, and I'm very much looking forward to the Smuggler's Run update!

even more if you can delete your second character and create a new one and start from square one like I did.

[LL Cool L]

because change...

 

I bet some old school were not happy with GTA going from top down to 3D

 

 

 

not all change is welcomed by all, but change is certain, accept it, fight it or try to have an influence

 

my personal opinion is im not into all this military stuff in gta but hey

[flexcreator]

 

 

FFS more bloody moaning.

How many b & m threads do we need?

As many as it takes until R* gets its sh*t together.

 

 

No R* employee reads or cares about these threads. Use the R* feedback form instead. Or make a petition.

I personally love that GTA is so versatile you can literally do anything you want in it.

 

Yep. And some people forget that R* still release civilian vehicles and premium races.

[Yellow Dog with Cone]

No R* employee reads or cares about these threads. Use the R* feedback form instead. Or make a petition.

How are you so sure? I'm not saying that a R* empoyee saw the Project Helisexuality thread and said "mmm yeah, let's put a Hunter in the game" but I can guarantee that they're aware of these kind of threads. Maybe they can't fix the game or Take Two won't let them and we don't know.

 

Also if you want to know how effective petitions are, see how the Petition to play in Invote lobbies ended.

[spincther]

 

No R* employee reads or cares about these threads. Use the R* feedback form instead. Or make a petition.

How are you so sure? I'm not saying that a R* empoyee saw the Project Helisexuality thread and said "mmm yeah, let's put a Hunter in the game" but I can guarantee that they're aware of these kind of threads. Maybe they can't fix the game or Take Two won't let them and we don't know.

 

Also if you want to know how effective petitions are, see how the Petition to play in Invote lobbies ended.

 

 

I've heard people here think that the member "Mas sees u" is one of the Houser (Sp?) brothers because it can be read "Sam Sees U". My tinfoil hat contribution for the day...

Edited August 27, 2017 by -RP-

[Commander S]

At the very least, I'm just tired of the disproportionate focus on big-money, big 'splosions stuff, seemingly at the cost of ANYTHING else.

Particularly when it comes to fleshing out the map, and all the interactive parts of Freemode - with the exceptions of the one more 'niche' take on that (Bikers), the majority of things since late 2015 have either been corporate criminal stuff through SecuroServ (E&OC, FAFF, I/E), or now armed mercenary things (Gunrunning and now Smuggler's Run).

 

We're long overdue something more rooted around more grounded, street-level crime. People bring up things like Midnight Club or TBoGT as possible new directions for updates, and I'd be down with both of those - likewise, maybe some stuff more around the street gangs of LS, or something more like a Freemode version of Heists, where the crimes are less 'running a criminal business' and more 'committing crimes against businesses'. Or something. Anything.


Same with the cars - more regular, civilian-grade things that you'd actually see the majority of regular people driving, rather than gimmick stuff with weapons, or hyper-expensive, ultra-rare stuff. Or with clothing - actually give people more options for expression and creativity, rather than just 'limited gimmicky stuff to fit the current update theme'.

The one thing that really made GTA successful from III onwards was the whole 'believable, immersive open-world environment', where R* clearly prided themselves on the level of not just interactivity, but again, believability. Look at the original launch pitch for GTAO, where they describe the "living online world", and how "just what you choose to do in that world is up to you". With the likes of Gunrunning, the verisimilitude of the setting takes a back seat to turning it into a repository for any random, contextless Content™, and as for choosing what you do? If you don't commit to permanently owning every different business, and the entire property portfolio of San Andreas county, you might as well not bother playing the game these days.

[Happy Hunter]

Bringing back a helicopter they've had in GTA games since the early 2000's =/= copying COD (does that game even let you fly a helicopter anyway, let alone an Apache?).

 

Complain all you want about the same old public session stuff, lack of PvE, etc. I'd agree; there's a point there.

 

But the vehicles they're adding - it's ironic you should say they're going away from what made the games good, since they're bringing back old fan favourites (Little Willie was great). Maybe they're not for everyone, but they've more than waited their turn.

 

Just my vibe anyway.

Edited August 27, 2017 by Happy Hunter

[JustCallMeNiko]

Freeroam has always been a warzone in this game. Now it's becoming a more dynamic war zone with new toys. For those who do ceo/Mc stuff you are now better able to defend yourself than before.

[Big Molio]

Dunno about anyone else, but when I'm in the clouds ready to join GTA online, I feel cock-a-hoop when I hear the rumble of heavy ordnance indicating that it's all kicking off in Freeroam.

[SHADOW OPS]

 

 

You say griefer, I say destroyer. tit for tat. It is what GTA has been for me since IV MP. You can say it is for those who don't know any better. Implying your opinion matters over mine. It does not.

The difference is that, unlike in GTA V, killing players and destroying vehicles in GTA IV MP had no negative effect whatsoever, aside from losing your weapons.

 

Not only the stakes in play are way too higher in GTAO, destroying sales is so absurdly easy is not even funny, challenging or fair.

 

My opinion is not more important than yours (or viceversa), but what really grinds my gears is that the players who wants game balance, wants to play in peace or wants more PvE content are just plain ignored in favor of those who only want to blow sh*t up.

 

Whatever term you want to use to justify your griefing ways doesn't matter.

 

The dude your talkn with pumps himself up on steroids and has a tiny tryhard dick because of it. lol

You sound uneducated and lost. Lol

[Mas u Sees]

 

Because in call of duty you get cars, tanks, planes, helicopters, boats, yachts, bunkers, apartments and bunkers.

None of which has an actual function besides "you need to buy this to be able to buy that."

 

They should have just made everybody a small time crook trying to make it and all the CEO's and rich peeps should have just been the NPC's you work for. It's stupid that everyone is some hyper rich CEO with 80 sports cars and a yacht and their own small military housed in a nuke bunker.

 

Gun fights and car chases don't even exist because everyone is allowed virtually unlimited explosives.... that's NOT the fundamental idea of GTA.

 

What happens when they milk out the DLC vehicles to the point that everyone already has everything possible? Then what do they do?

 

But that is the thing, people like to live/play in a power fantasy, people like bragging with their fictional super-cars, it is sort of compensation or maybe admiration for what they haven't achieved in RealLife and/or want to achieve.

 

The reason why many play games is because they project themselves onto these charactars, and being a super-rich person with a CEO Garage, a Hangar, an effing Bunker is something people love to project themselves into.

 

It is not only "Cash Cards" per se, it is essentially what a big portion of the audience just loves about GTA.

 

This has nothing to do with Call of Duty(CoD doesn't even feature flyable planes, bunkers etc. or likewise, CoDs gameplay is completely different and the crowd is a different one as well).

This has essentially something to do with Rockstar Games approach to Online, Online is not like their other projects a production solely by Rockstar themselves, it is a production that goes hand in hand with community(or lets call it playerbase) and developer, from beginning on GTA Online and its back-end was designed in a way to track as many stats as possible, because from beginning on Rockstar wanted to shape the game in the direction their audience wants it to be.

 

This has good and bad sides,

however what seems more interesting to me is if R* is only going with this approach for their Online titles or also for their Singleplayer ones...

Because on SIngleplayer the effect could be FATAL, in Online however it works.

 

 

My prediction on it is that R* will go as they did with GTA V, with their future projects, they will develop the Singleplayer and basic mechanics to their own will and creative vision, of the designers and programmers, and shape the Online mode according to Playerbase analytics.

[Coleco]

But that is the thing, people like to live/play in a power fantasy, people like bragging with their fictional super-cars, it is sort of compensation or maybe admiration for what they haven't achieved in RealLife and/or want to achieve.

Some people, sure. Probably most people. But not all people. I certainly don't and I know a number of folks on this forum who share a similar opinion.

But to be honest, I've really run out of energy on this whole subject to feel like throwing in my two cents.

 

I just find it so hard to remember that once upon a time, we were all fans of the same game.

Edited August 27, 2017 by Coleco

[Yellow Dog with Cone]

You sound uneducated and lost. Lol

 

You sound presumptuous and pretentious for a griefer. Lol

Edited August 27, 2017 by Voodoo-Hendrix

[Darekl92]

Military vehicles are fine. They been part of GTA since like begining. PROBLEM IS in GTA:O they are too easy accesible.

 

R* made APC, Insurgent, Tanks and planes basically at players will anytime. Why they haven't placed them in Fort Zancudo ONLY is the real question.

 

GTA3/VC/SA etc... wanna tank, truck or helicopter? Go to military base, fight Your way and get tank, truck or helicopter of Your desire.

GTA Online wanna tank, apc or fighter jet? call and effortless get it anywhere anytime.

 

THIS is main GTA Online problem with military vehicles.

[SHADOW OPS]

I've really run out of energy on this whole subject to feel like throwing in my two cents.

 

I just find it so hard to remember that once upon a time, we were all fans of the same game.

I don't remember that. I remember hatred from the beginning. Just like IV MP.

[Yellow Dog with Cone]

Bringing back a helicopter they've had in GTA games since the early 2000's =/= copying COD (does that game even let you fly a helicopter anyway, let alone an Apache?).

 

Complain all you want about the same old public session stuff, lack of PvE, etc. I'd agree; there's a point there.

 

But the vehicles they're adding - it's ironic you should say they're going away from what made the games good, since they're bringing back old fan favourites (Little Willie was great). Maybe they're not for everyone, but they've more than waited their turn.

 

Just my vibe anyway.

 

Don't get me wrong , I know that military vehicles are part of the history of GTA and I'm glad that vehicles like the APC and the Hunter are bac to protec and also attac.

 

The thing is that the game is not only saturated with military vehicles, also the addition of Mad Max-like vehicles, Knight Rider/ Streethaws knockoffs and more fantasy vehicles dilute the " believability" of the game world that R* laid out in 2013. There's too many wacky stuff alongside more realistic stuff and there's no cohesion at all.

[Coleco]

I don't remember that. I remember hatred from the beginning. Just like IV MP.

 

Nah, I don't mean on here - nobody ever held hands and sang Kumbaya together on the internet, especially in these parts.

 

I mean we all willingly bought the exact same game at some point because every one of us wanted to play it. It's hard to think we all have something in common with all the clashing that goes on.

 

Lemme get a group hug going, you bunch of crazy virtual sociopaths

[FlacidJack]

 

I've really run out of energy on this whole subject to feel like throwing in my two cents.

 

I just find it so hard to remember that once upon a time, we were all fans of the same game.

I don't remember that. I remember hatred from the beginning. Just like IV MP.

that's the crazy part of GTA imo, it caters to many different types of players all at once so we all love parts of the game and we try to just ignore the other parts.

Problem is now the different types of gameplay are mashing together which doesn't really make sense imo. PvE isn't PvE once it becomes PvP/PvE, it just eliminates the PvE and gives PvP fans easy targets who don't even feel like playing PvP.

Don't get me wrong, I like the tension in crowded public sale jobs but it should be optional since there are npcs if no one else is around. I'd still sell in public for the bonus but there's no reason to force PvE fans into public sessions, apart from giving PvP fans more easy targets.

 

It's strange to me too but I like the way it's gone in some ways.

[Big Molio]

Don't get me wrong , I know that military vehicles are part of the history of GTA and I'm glad that vehicles like the APC and the Hunter are bac to protec and also attac.

 

The thing is that the game is not only saturated with military vehicles, also the addition of Mad Max-like vehicles, Knight Rider/ Streethaws knockoffs and more fantasy vehicles dilute the " believability" of the game world that R* laid out in 2013. There's too many wacky stuff alongside more realistic stuff and there's no cohesion at all.

I like the wacky. I mean, one minute you're walking down the street and next thing two Ronald McDonald lookalikes with green hair and clown faces are trying to mow you down in their bright pink insurgent. It's great. Edited August 27, 2017 by Big Molio

[Commander S]

 

But that is the thing, people like to live/play in a power fantasy, people like bragging with their fictional super-cars, it is sort of compensation or maybe admiration for what they haven't achieved in RealLife and/or want to achieve.

Some people, sure. Probably most people. But not all people. I certainly don't and I know a number of folks on this forum who share a similar opinion.

 

Exactly - took the words right outta my mouth. And again, to quote the GTAO Announcement Trailer:

 

"Just what you choose to do in that world is up to you"

 

 

Trouble is, with the game now, that might as well be changed to:

 

"Don't want to be a millionaire CEO AND a mercenary warlord AND a run a motorcycle gang, AND swank around in exotic luxury cars? Then screw you, buddy!"

 

 

Hyperbole? In tone, perhaps - but not substance. That's effectively the state of most updates from at least FAFF onwards - heavily-skewed towards high-end things, particularly the vehicles, and where you have a choice between being permanently locked into the current themed business thing (because you can't trade them in later or otherwise opt back out of them), or ...well, there's no alternative, is there? If you don't like the handful of niches R* puts out, then no new content for you!

Edited August 27, 2017 by Commander S

[spincther]

 

 

 

You say griefer, I say destroyer. tit for tat. It is what GTA has been for me since IV MP. You can say it is for those who don't know any better. Implying your opinion matters over mine. It does not.

The difference is that, unlike in GTA V, killing players and destroying vehicles in GTA IV MP had no negative effect whatsoever, aside from losing your weapons.

 

Not only the stakes in play are way too higher in GTAO, destroying sales is so absurdly easy is not even funny, challenging or fair.

 

My opinion is not more important than yours (or viceversa), but what really grinds my gears is that the players who wants game balance, wants to play in peace or wants more PvE content are just plain ignored in favor of those who only want to blow sh*t up.

 

Whatever term you want to use to justify your griefing ways doesn't matter.

 

The dude your talkn with pumps himself up on steroids and has a tiny tryhard dick because of it. lol

You sound uneducated and lost. Lol

 

 

smh Let me know when you move up in society IRL. You wouldn't be a griefer though if that happened. Griefing is for the common lowly income folk, the kind who take the bus to work and bitch about how life aint fair.

 

 

When you move up in life you'll no longer want to be a troll.

[SHADOW OPS]

You know so much about me. Go on enlighten me some more. What is my favorite color?

[bloatedsack]

Why the hell did they turn GtaO into a crappy call of duty rip off?

 

Because the people who played this game wanted it.

 

I know the obvious answer is greed but there's more to it.

 

What greed? Who's greed? The people who play this game overwhelmingly made freemode the most popular part of the game, and they've catered to that with every update since nextgen release. Freemode events, VIP, various public sales, etc.

 

How is that "greed?"

 

This feels like a nasty harbinger of things to come.

 

Are you f*cking retarded? (No offence to retarded kids out there) Freemode's dominance has been in place since launch, and explicitly tailored as the direction of the game for over two years.

 

I want no part of endless pvp and forced sales with Ritalin added tweens in full public lobbies.

 

No one's forcing you. Don't play it that way. All the same game modes have been in since launch, and they still work. There's also numerous ways to launch solo public sessions. Wipe your tears.

 

 

Is it because they lack creative vision without the benz?

 

I would say its the exact opposite. Other than the people who shrilly scream "Cockstar!" I see more evidence than the thing was stagnant under LB than without.

 

 

I've been a loyal customer for a along time and even played the hell outta IV online but they're kind of pushing me off the train now.

 

So, you don't like freemode where everyone kills everyone while being able to complete additional gamemodes (ie, sales), but you did like an equivalent in an older game where everyone could literally do nothing but kill each other?

 

 

The game was not supposed to turn into this.

 

No, it wasn't. Originally, Freemode was supposed to gateway you into other job activities, which it still does just like it did on launch. However, they open and expanded it to include an interesting way to allow you to open up to what essentially is 4v24 (or whatever the hell freemode tops out at).

 

So, really, since every sentence you wrote is stupid, what is it you wanted to hear? Oh, I know. A chorus of jackholes shouting "cockstar!" and crying about sharkcards?

 

Well, there's already three pages of this sh*t, I suspect that it's filled up quite nicely with people who purport to hate GTAO and yet still find themselves playing it every single day.

[Mattoropael]

Uh, you can disagree with the direction they're trying to evolve the game, but to deny progress on a whole just because you don't like the direction taken?

 

I for one am not happy with all the forced PvP bullsh*t since the CEO update and the trend of increasingly-ridiculous prices since IGG, but to say "pushing the boundary is bad"? Really? I recognize the fact that they're pushing the wrong boundaries (monetization and catering to wannabe try-hard PvPers), but that's still a pretty dumb thing to say.