post smuggling dlc "game balance" speculation.

[The Wandering Hunter]

so currently the oppressor and a selection of explosive resistant ground vehicles are king, along with the infantryman who is able to counter almost all other vehicles with smallish arms. air vehicles just randomly explode these days.

 

do you think this will change? i can't imagine prop planes being able to accomplish anything, and even the jets. but the hunter might rule the map if it has any resistance to explosives.

Edited August 25, 2017 by RedDagger

[Pow3r3d0610]

There has been no balance since Hydra came out, so...

[The Wandering Hunter]

There has been no balance since Hydra came out, so...

i agree. it's more like the sorry excuse of balance in gta after the update discussion topic.

 

the insured tanks really cause issues

[update_lsc]

nothing will change. the hunter will not be a real threat, just like the savage. if it's out in the open, it'll just be an easy target. explosive sniper will still be king... sadly.

[WoJo07]

the insured tanks really cause issues

Insurance for destroying someones vehicle was removed few months ago (shortly after the cheat with people spawning their vehicles on you and destroying them causing you to pay enormous amounts of money for that). Insurance for destroying your own vehicle is still there but I wouldn't say it's an issue.

 

The real balance issues are mk2 weapons that not everyone has and armored and weaponised vehicles which even the best players will have problem dealing with solo.

[update_lsc]

 

the insured tanks really cause issues

Insurance for destroying someones vehicle was removed few months ago (shortly after the cheat with people spawning their vehicles on you and destroying them causing you to pay enormous amounts of money for that). Insurance for destroying your own vehicle is still there but I wouldn't say it's an issue.

 

Only on pc. Current gen consoles still have to deal with insurance.

[Sky_Light12]

nothing will change. the hunter will not be a real threat, just like the savage. if it's out in the open, it'll just be an easy target. explosive sniper will still be king... sadly.

oh? then how do you know it won't be real threat like savage ?

[RyuNova]

_{Hydra Cannons changed from rapid fire to single shot with a second cool down.}

[WoJo07]

the insured tanks really cause issues

Insurance for destroying someones vehicle was removed few months ago (shortly after the cheat with people spawning their vehicles on you and destroying them causing you to pay enormous amounts of money for that). Insurance for destroying your own vehicle is still there but I wouldn't say it's an issue.

Only on pc. Current gen consoles still have to deal with insurance.

I'm not keeping up with console versions of the game, if they didn't exist we'd all be better off.

In my game there is no insurance. Frankly insurance was idiocy from the beginning. Paying for destroying an armored kuruma or difference in prices eg. I would pay 20k for destroying a super car, they would pay 150 for destroying my muscle car. I'm glad it's gone, hope it wont come back.

[REXX]

 

 

 

the insured tanks really cause issues

Insurance for destroying someones vehicle was removed few months ago (shortly after the cheat with people spawning their vehicles on you and destroying them causing you to pay enormous amounts of money for that). Insurance for destroying your own vehicle is still there but I wouldn't say it's an issue.

Only on pc. Current gen consoles still have to deal with insurance.I'm not keeping up with console versions of the game, if they didn't exist we'd all be better off.

 

At least we don't have idiots wiping our money, ranks, vehicles, etc.

[Hécate-II]

In loading screen messages its written "armor" about things available in the new hangar, Hunter may have flares, so other helicos may have flare upgrades available too. I guess R* is going to lock the proper helicos overhaul via a new Random Research Paywall.

 

My guess is the game will allow us to buy bullet-resistant armor for Savage, where it should be default armor ofc. Upgrades should be new ballistic equipements, things related to radar, counter measures against guided missiles...But R* Logic.

Edited August 25, 2017 by Hécate-II

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the insured tanks really cause issues

Insurance for destroying someones vehicle was removed few months ago (shortly after the cheat with people spawning their vehicles on you and destroying them causing you to pay enormous amounts of money for that). Insurance for destroying your own vehicle is still there but I wouldn't say it's an issue.

Only on pc. Current gen consoles still have to deal with insurance.

I'm not keeping up with console versions of the game, if they didn't exist we'd all be better off.

At least we don't have idiots wiping our money, ranks, vehicles, etc.

 

We don't either. These things usually are quickly patched, and we can fully enjoy our game again. At proper fps.

[WoJo07]

At least we don't have idiots wiping our money, ranks, vehicles, etc.

Patches could be much more frequent to get rid of cheats (tho I never really met any serious cheaters and none at all lately) if r* could actually patch the game instead of waiting for m$/sony to let them due to their idiotic policies regarding patches.

But... as much as I'd like to wage a war in this matter cuz it's always hilarious how people can come up with non-existent pros of consoles it's offtop.

 

Regarding balance, helis need a buff especially savage - more armor and maybe flares once per minute or so. Jets are imo ok where they are cuz it's a matter of skill (I for example suck with jet fighting but I can snipe a pilot with enough luck). With new vehicles, ability to run away from missiles is less of an issue. Gunrunning vehicles suck mostly due to the fact that you can't do much alone with/against them and timely (to say the least) research is a bs. Prolly gonna be bad with smuggling but at least they should be solo friendly and maybe the mk2 (when researched...) explosive ammo will balance that.

[Gaffa]

All I'm thinking is "f*ck, all these new vehicle weapons I've got to test the specifics out of".

[IbrahimLafayette]

Everything except fast manoeuvrable jets such as the Lazer, Hydra and perhaps the Besra are extremely vulnerable against the currently available weapons in the game. Especially the homing launcher is one of the biggest problems.

Obviously they have to change something, in order to make air combat/deliveries a viable solution. They could extend the lock on time on the homing missiles on all vehicles, I doubt they will introduce flares, but for the slower moving aircrafts this could be essential.

 

I suspect the new jet we've seen will be the fastest and most powerful vehicle in the game, just to give people an incentive to buy this when they already have a hydra. If they decide to weaken the hydra along with the release of the dlc and make the new jet as strong as the hydra is now, they're really trying to push the boundaries of what the community will accept.

 

It's obvious they will have to do something.

[Sanches]

Balance is a lie, why you're asking?
The more money you got, the more powerfull you are. And they will not change this.

Edited August 25, 2017 by Sanches

[The Wandering Hunter]

Everything except fast manoeuvrable jets such as the Lazer, Hydra and perhaps the Besra are extremely vulnerable against the currently available weapons in the game. Especially the homing launcher is one of the biggest problems.

Obviously they have to change something, in order to make air combat/deliveries a viable solution. They could extend the lock on time on the homing missiles on all vehicles, I doubt they will introduce flares, but for the slower moving aircrafts this could be essential.

 

I suspect the new jet we've seen will be the fastest and most powerful vehicle in the game, just to give people an incentive to buy this when they already have a hydra. If they decide to weaken the hydra along with the release of the dlc and make the new jet as strong as the hydra is now, they're really trying to push the boundaries of what the community will accept.

 

It's obvious they will have to do something.

the homing launcher is hardly an issue compared to the explosive sniper rifle. just fly high and homers are nullified.

[IbrahimLafayette]

 

Everything except fast manoeuvrable jets such as the Lazer, Hydra and perhaps the Besra are extremely vulnerable against the currently available weapons in the game. Especially the homing launcher is one of the biggest problems.

Obviously they have to change something, in order to make air combat/deliveries a viable solution. They could extend the lock on time on the homing missiles on all vehicles, I doubt they will introduce flares, but for the slower moving aircrafts this could be essential.

 

I suspect the new jet we've seen will be the fastest and most powerful vehicle in the game, just to give people an incentive to buy this when they already have a hydra. If they decide to weaken the hydra along with the release of the dlc and make the new jet as strong as the hydra is now, they're really trying to push the boundaries of what the community will accept.

 

It's obvious they will have to do something.

the homing launcher is hardly an issue compared to the explosive sniper rifle. just fly high and homers are nullified.

 

 

Judging by the trailer any drops whether for supply runs or sell missions must be done in low altitude. The homing launchers are very much an issue then, the explosive sniper is a threat that has just made it into the game recently and is hidden behind a huge paywall. However I agree it is an issue, like a lot of other weapons.

[The Wandering Hunter]

 

 

Everything except fast manoeuvrable jets such as the Lazer, Hydra and perhaps the Besra are extremely vulnerable against the currently available weapons in the game. Especially the homing launcher is one of the biggest problems.

Obviously they have to change something, in order to make air combat/deliveries a viable solution. They could extend the lock on time on the homing missiles on all vehicles, I doubt they will introduce flares, but for the slower moving aircrafts this could be essential.

 

I suspect the new jet we've seen will be the fastest and most powerful vehicle in the game, just to give people an incentive to buy this when they already have a hydra. If they decide to weaken the hydra along with the release of the dlc and make the new jet as strong as the hydra is now, they're really trying to push the boundaries of what the community will accept.

 

It's obvious they will have to do something.

the homing launcher is hardly an issue compared to the explosive sniper rifle. just fly high and homers are nullified.

 

Judging by the trailer any drops whether for supply runs or sell missions must be done in low altitude. The homing launchers are very much an issue then, the explosive sniper is a threat that has just made it into the game recently and is hidden behind a huge paywall. However I agree it is an issue, like a lot of other weapons.

low flying generally does help with both in some places, with low buildings that block sight lines although only if the planes have some resistance to damage, unlike the savage which smokes the moment someone fires a shot.

[Xiled]

Never has been balance even from the beginning of GTA online where higher ranks have more health than lower ranks and higher ranks can buy more powerful guns.

[The Wandering Hunter]

could a mod please put the words game balance in inverted commas in the title

[FrugalDangerMan]

I'm not keeping up with console versions of the game, if they didn't exist we'd all be better off.

 

If they didn't exist, neither would the game seeing as it was developed for consoles first.

 

Get out of here with your PC master race BS.

[Coleco]

Balance

 

GTAO

 

[IbrahimLafayette]

Never has been balance even from the beginning of GTA online where higher ranks have more health than lower ranks and higher ranks can buy more powerful guns.

 

I thought this was initially done to prevent the game from being pay to win. You could argue that this is unfair, that experienced players have an advantage towards non-experienced players. However that is how it works in most multiplayer titles that have some sort of progression system.

All dlc items were introduced without a rank requirement, that balancing aspect was gone then. It would have worked more evenly if matchmaking would try to match by rank predominantly.

[Biter]

Although I have spent a fortune on Shark Cards I will not be getting my wallet out for these. Balance in the game has gone so far into the realms of chaos that the game is a giant cluster ***k.

 

Good topic OP.

 

In a game were everyone drives around in explosive resistant vehicles these new aircraft are cool but pointless. And the explosive sniper makes anything not explosive resistant pointless.

[M*A*R*I*N*A]

I'd say the problem lies with the Explosive Sniper and Oppressor but what ya gunna do? I'd like to see how R* could balance it out but would they even?

[Xiled]

GTA IV multiplayer everyone has same health only getting armor gives you more damage resistance. Everyone spawns with same gun in freeroam and yu have to collect gins around the map. If you die you respawn and lose all your weapons.

 

GTA online was and still is pay to win. Buy a tank in the beginning you were unstoppable. Rocket launcher not unlocked until rank 100. Tank buyable at rank 75.

[IbrahimLafayette]

GTA IV multiplayer everyone has same health only getting armor gives you more damage resistance. Everyone spawns with same gun in freeroam and yu have to collect gins around the map. If you die you respawn and lose all your weapons.[...]

 

GTA IV multiplayer didn't have any sort of progression system, so it's only logical everyone starts out with the same abilities.

 

 

GTA online was and still is pay to win. Buy a tank in the beginning you were unstoppable. Rocket launcher not unlocked until rank 100. Tank buyable at rank 75.

That statement is quite contradictory, if you couldn't buy a tank until a certain rank, you could buy all the shark cards you want and still weren't able to dominate a session without playing the game extensively to reach the required rank.

[The Wandering Hunter]

Although I have spent a fortune on Shark Cards I will not be getting my wallet out for these. Balance in the game has gone so far into the realms of chaos that the game is a giant cluster ***k.

 

Good topic OP.

 

In a game were everyone drives around in explosive resistant vehicles these new aircraft are cool but pointless. And the explosive sniper makes anything not explosive resistant pointless.

i must say that's something that's really pissing me off at the moment, and that was ever since the homer became common let alone this new stuff. i literally never drive my collection of 45 sports cars. it's just insurgents and apcs all the time.

[Schroebedroeber]

I'm not keeping up with console versions of the game, if they didn't exist we'd all be better off.

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Can you explain how we would ALL be better off? Edited August 25, 2017 by Schroebedroeber