Mapping Off-the-Map Turf and Zone Glitches

[ilili]

Well I tired to send you a pm but I'm still not allowed lol. I agree - I was going to do all my testing on regular vanilla san andreas hopefully whatever findings are discovered I can possibly use on Space E saves but I'm not focuses on testing that, just the regular game. So how should I send you these saves? You want one vanilla save from a new game, and I can send SE save if you want. I think modifying the save data is a good idea it could definitely save a lot of time an trouble shooting. Either way below the surface sounds like it might work but if not then I can just drown right? I don't currently know if my save files will work after editing but I assume there is a way. I've read a lot of people saying they could read the territory influence on the computer but also some people could change the values? IF there is a way to add the gangs by editing the save files I'm all for that option too but I don't have any information on those methods plus I still want to experiment with this off mapping stuff because of the chance for Gang 9 and 10. Also SE mod advertises it will work on any(most) vanilla saves so really anything I find if it doesn't work in the mod I can just load a regular save on the SE mod but I've yet to try loading one.

[OrionSR]

3 hours ago, ilili said:

Well I tired to send you a pm but I'm still not allowed lol.

Just as well. PMs are annoying unless the discussion really needs to remain private.

 

3 hours ago, ilili said:

So how should I send you these saves?

I don't think GTASnP.com supports Xbox saves, yet, but it's worth a try.  I often use my Dropbox or Google Drive accounts for sharing files. Sometimes I'll upload a small file to a Discord channel and post that link; not sure how long the files persist, or even if this is a valid strategy. It's been a long since I've used a free online file host. Those tend to have a heavy ad or app burden for downloads, so I've been avoiding them.

 

3 hours ago, ilili said:

Also SE mod advertises it will work on any(most) vanilla saves

Vanilla Xbox saves may not be as compatible as vanilla PC saves. Eventually I may want to examine your vanilla main.scm and script.img files, but for now there's no point in speculating until I've seen a baseline Xbox save.

[ilili]

Ill just send you the files no need to host the files right? like on discord or email or something I guess. therye small. 

[Robin3sk]

I've flown outside of the boundary for a quite a bit during the creation process of a master-save i have. Would that affect any territorities in the future? — So, basically does flying out of the boundaries before unlocking terriories, result in this glitch as well?
 

Thought i'd verify that before going ahead since i'm going to use this master-save to set up the territory glitch later on. I guess i should also mention that at the time when i did everything on the master-save (as far as flying etc) is concerned, i had Silent Patch enabled.

[OrionSR]

The off-map glitches don't change based on game progress, areas unlocked, or sectors unfogged. If you cause glitches early they'll persist until later. New Info: Glitches to the zone navigation array (Taxi Glitch, etc) will persist in a newly created save. SilentPatch should prevent off-map glitches, but won't fix corruption that already exists. GTASnP.com will automatically fix glitches to the zone navigation array.

[Robin3sk]

I've gotten pretty far with adding territories using the "satchel" trick of luring gang members in a territory and then killing them using a sniper/satchel or any other method.

It's a pretty tedious process because from my experience it seems as if hood attacks take 10-20 minutes to come in. Recently i've gotten as far as adding territories to Flint Intersection and it seems as if all attacks (even in LS) take exactly 20 minutes now, instead of the regular 10 minutes. I'm in the early stage of the game where these islands haven't been unlocked - in case that matters.

So, yeah, was wondering if anyone figured out any way of making attacks come in faster, especially if you've gotten territories outside of zones that are considered a part of LS. I've heard that taking over territories can potentially trigger an attack, but obviously that's not feasible here since i'm basically chaining territories one zone to another using the satchel glitch.

 

TLDR: If anyone knows of a way to make attacks come in faster, even if it's a minute less, let me know!

 

[OrionSR]

On 7/16/2021 at 12:19 PM, Robin3sk said:

TLDR: If anyone knows of a way to make attacks come in faster, even if it's a minute less, let me know!

Wait for your attack while in Los Santos. The next attack timer counts down about 16 times slower when not in LS. The time until next attack is reset at the end of each attack to a time between 10 and 30 minutes. The next attack timers is relatively easy to read and manipulate with mods, but I never found a natural way to make it decrease faster, other than waiting in LS.

 

A common strategy is to wait out the timer in an interior, which keeps the timer from going below 30 seconds. Then use an aircraft or R2 vehicle missions to hold the timer on the way to the remote attack zone.

 

Edited July 17, 2021 by OrionSR

[Thomas2026]

(Jack Reacher): Very epic work! I remember praying someone would be able to make a map for this on PS2 when I created the Ultimate Territory Glitch topic about 9 years ago.

 

This is enough to recover my interest in territory stuff and try get Mafia and other overseas gangs into LS. I just have a few questions..

 

1. Say you do this before Green Sabre and get 3rd party gangs into LS. Then, using rhans strategies, increase their densities all over LS as you please. Will those gangs stay around after Green Sabre, and just not present on the map?

 

2. Is it possible to do all territory glitch exploits in overseas parts of the game before Green Sabre? Essentially my goal is to place GSF and other gangs over SF and LV right at the start of the game, so as I play through the story I will notice different gangs throughout the game.

 

3. Finally I notice PS2 save editors being mentioned a lot in this topic. Is it possible to get the PS4 version of GTA SA (Not the definitive edition) uploaded and modded? Or at least share PS4 saves of GTA SA? I hope to do some extensive work on territories after unlocking Doberman and it would be good if I could share the output.

[OrionSR]

18 hours ago, Thomas2026 said:

I just have a few questions..

Be aware that I seldom lurk in the player's forums much anymore. Consider using a short quote or mention to draw my attention.

 

1. Only Ballas, Grove, Vagos and Azteca density is adjusted by the story. There are no commands that will clear all gangs from a zone; each gang's density needs to be changed individually. Your migrated gang density should remain unless you mix the turf and start a war. The gang members should be present in their zones even when gang wars are inactive.

 

2. I'm expecting (almost) all of the exploits demonstrated by rhans on PC to work the same way on PS2v1, but you'll need to use the PS2 map for reference. PS2 players should have significantly better options, but I haven't put much thought into a structured plan. (Almost - IIRC, PS2 doesn't have any options for... merging two zones to share the same density.)

 

3. I am unaware of any strategy for loading or sharing an edited PS4 save. The save files are pretty straightforward; it's a PS2v2 save with a bunch of PS4 data attached that prevents tampering. The save data should be relatively easy to view, which can be very helpful if you need precise density data. Um... I'm not expecting the off-the-map trick to work on PS4, so I'm a bit confused and wondering if I misunderstood the question.

Edited September 3, 2022 by OrionSR

[Thomas2026]

6 hours ago, OrionSR said:

Be aware that I seldom lurk in the player's forums much anymore. Consider using a short quote or mention to draw my attention.

 

1. Only Ballas, Grove, Vagos and Azteca density is adjusted by the story. There are no commands that will clear all gangs from a zone; each gang's density needs to be changed individually. Your migrated gang density should remain unless you mix the turf and start a war. The gang members should be present in their zones even when gang wars are inactive.

 

2. I'm expecting (almost) all of the exploits demonstrated by rhans on PC to work the same way on PS2v1, but you'll need to use the PS2 map for reference. PS2 players should have significantly better options, but I haven't put much thought into a structured plan. (Almost - IIRC, PS2 doesn't have any options for... merging two zones to share the same density.)

 

3. I am unaware of any strategy for loading or sharing an edited PS4 save. The save files are pretty straightforward; it's a PS2v2 save with a bunch of PS4 data attached that prevents tampering. The save data should be relatively easy to view, which can be very helpful if you need precise density data. Um... I'm not expecting the off-the-map trick to work on PS4, so I'm a bit confused and wondering if I misunderstood the question.

 

All good, I rarely come here either but a few breakthroughs like this get my interest.

 

1. Well this is really good news, I am going to give it a go.

 

2. Did rhans manage to do all his exploits in overseas zones BEFORE Green Sabre? I watched a few of his videos but they appeared to have been done near the end game. Hopefully I am mistaken. 

 

3. Shoot I thought the flying off map trick only failed in the DE versions, not also the PS4 version. It will be substantially harder to get 3rd party gangs into LS, so hopefully I can figure out how to do the pomor manovour on their zones in SF, also preferably before Green Sabre. I suppose that means it is impossible to get Mafia gangs into the PS4 or PS5 versions.

[OrionSR]

On 9/3/2022 at 6:18 PM, Thomas2026 said:

Shoot I thought the flying off map trick only failed in the DE versions

Nope, the off-the-map glitch is only present in the original versions for PS2, PC and Xbox. The glitch was lots of fun on PS2 but caused serious problems with PC and Xbox that would carry over into new games started from that save. These days, it's hard to get SA to run on an old executable anymore without the SilentPatch, which prevents the glitch. The map came too late to be of much use. I'm glad rhans had a chance to play with it. I'm not sure if anyone ever got a chance to exploit the full potential of the map on PS2v1.

Edited September 5, 2022 by OrionSR

[Thomas2026]

1 hour ago, OrionSR said:

Nope, the off-the-map glitch is only present in the original versions for PS2, PC and Xbox. The glitch was lots of fun on PS2 but caused serious problems with PC and Xbox that would carry over into new games started from that save. These days, it's hard to get SA to run on an old executable anymore without the SilentPatch, which prevents the glitch. The map came too late to be of much use. I'm glad rhans had a chance to play with it. I'm not sure if anyone ever got a chance to exploit the full potential of the map on PS2v1.

 

It is almost tempting to buy a PS3 and San Andrea's lol (I currently have no gaming console)

 

I recall someone found another glitch on the original SA that involved mashing X when loading up the game, and heaps of stores where open asap. Would that work on the original PS2 version too? The idea of buying properties overseas early on PS2 sounds so cool. 

[OrionSR]

1 hour ago, Thomas2026 said:

It is almost tempting to buy a PS3

Think you can find a backwards compatible PS3 that still works? The PSN version of SA, last I heard, is a Remastered version based on the mobile port. The remastered version won't have the off-the-map glitch, but should have that debug exploit you mentioned. Holding the sprint button during a new game start should trigger a debug script that unlocks and places icons for most properties and locations. Then... the regular mission takes over and locks almost everything up again anyway, leaving a bunch of icons for locations that are not yet open.

 

Speculation: Could a combination of the debug exploit and jetpack cheat during the ride with Tenpenny result in a map that is considerably more open?

 

As I recall, the main advantage of the debug exploit is that it unlocks more properties for purchase. I don't remember now if it's just the rural properties or if the city properties are unlocked as well. At one point I predicted no major issues with using the exploit to reach 100% progress, but I don't remember getting confirmation. I started a remastered game on Xbox One using the debug exploit but got hung up when my screen kept glitching during level 10 or 11 in vigilante. I milked it for each achievements and never bothered to look back.

 

Can your PC run a PS2 emulator well enough to play San Andreas v1? Emulation would make save editing and memory management a lot easier, and might provide a simple strategy for recording video.

 

At this point we're pretty far off topic. Got another where we can continue the discussion?

Edited September 6, 2022 by OrionSR

[Thomas2026]

1 hour ago, OrionSR said:

Think you can find a backwards compatible PS3 that still works? The PSN version of SA, last I heard, is a Remastered version based on the mobile port. The remastered version won't have the off-the-map glitch, but should have that debug exploit you mentioned. Holding the sprint button during a new game start should trigger a debug script that unlocks and places icons for most properties and locations. Then... the regular mission takes over and locks almost everything up again anyway, leaving a bunch of icons for locations that are not yet open.

 

Speculation: Could a combination of the debug exploit and jetpack cheat during the ride with Tenpenny result in a map that is considerably more open?

 

As I recall, the main advantage of the debug exploit is that it unlocks more properties for purchase. I don't remember now if it's just the rural properties or if the city properties are unlocked as well. At one point I predicted no major issues with using the exploit to reach 100% progress, but I don't remember getting confirmation. I started a remastered game on Xbox One using the debug exploit but got hung up when my screen kept glitching during level 10 or 11 in vigilante. I milked it for each achievements and never bothered to look back.

 

Can your PC run a PS2 emulator well enough to play San Andreas v1? Emulation would make save editing and memory management a lot easier, and might provide a simple strategy for recording video.

 

At this point we're pretty far off topic. Got another where we can continue the discussion?

 

Fair, do you have the link to that debug topic? I will try search for it but have no idea what the glitch is called.

EDIT: Someone recently remade the topic advising itnworks on DE version. I will give it a go!

 

Il do some research on it. Basically I wanted a PS3 so I could be reunited with that master save I uploaded years ago..but I think a PS2 makes more sense since i have to start a new game anyway to do the debug glitch.

 

I wont get the PS2 console soley for the off map glitch tbh..but if the debug glitch allows me to purchase and spawn properties before the big Smoke mission, I might be tempted to purchase one cheap. And I might use it to play GTA VCS etc.

 

EDIT: To answer your question I only have a laptop. I will try DL San Andreas but I have a hunch it wont run well.

Edited September 6, 2022 by Thomas2026

[eleks12]

Hi im new to this subject. Does anyone know if the Gang Territory Glitch is possible when Flying out of the Map in the 2.01 version of the PS2 version of GTA San Andreas?

[Jeansowaty]

On 2/21/2024 at 11:35 PM, eleks12 said:

Hi im new to this subject. Does anyone know if the Gang Territory Glitch is possible when Flying out of the Map in the 2.01 version of the PS2 version of GTA San Andreas?

Give it a go on a copy of your main save. From what I've read it's the first version that is mostly affected in being able to obtain 173 turfs. Other versions apparently only yield 13 ones. And I actually would like to explain why.

 

I've noticed the PC (at least) version gives us 12 territories only with weak densities. Looking at Orion's map, I've found out why this is the case. Take a look at the info.zon file:

 

SFGLF2, 0, -2667.81, -302.135, -28.8305, -2646.4, -262.32, 71.1695, 1, c*ntC
SFGLF3, 0, -2395.14, -222.589, -5.34058e-005, -2354.09, -204.792, 200.0, 1, GARC
c*ntC1, 0, -2470.04, -355.493, 0.0, -2270.04, -318.493, 46.1, 1, c*ntC
c*ntC3, 0, -2550.04, -355.493, 0.0, -2470.04, -318.493, 39.7, 1, c*ntC
PLS, 0, 2703.58, -2126.9, -89.0839, 2959.35, -1852.87, 110.916, 1, PLS
LDOC3c, 0, 2703.58, -2302.33, -89.0839, 2959.35, -2126.9, 110.916, 1, LDOC
STAR1, 0, 2162.39, 1883.23, -89.0839, 2437.39, 2012.18, 110.916, 1, STAR
RING, 0, 2162.39, 1783.23, -89.0839, 2437.39, 1883.23, 110.916, 1, RING
LDOC2, 0, 2324.0, -2145.1, -89.084, 2703.58, -2059.23, 110.916, 1, LDOC
LIND3, 0, 2324.0, -2059.23, -89.0839, 2541.7, -1852.87, 110.916, 1, LIND
LIND4a, 0, 2541.7, -2059.23, -89.0839, 2703.58, -1941.4, 110.916, 1, LIND
WWE1, 0, 1098.31, 1726.22, -89.0839, 1197.39, 2243.23, 110.916, 1, WWE
LDT8, 0, 1507.51, -1385.21, 110.916, 1582.55, -1325.31, 335.916, 1, LDT

These are the last 13 zones mentioned in the info.zon and coincidentally, these are also the zones affected on PC. Meaning that we will only obtain small territories in the Avispa Country Club, Playa Del Seville (which is already a gang zone by default), two section of Ocean Docks, the main street of the Starfish Casino, the Clown's Pocket casino, two bits of Willowfield (one of which is where the Loco Low Co garage is located at, the other is the main area where the Ammu-Nation is at, already a gang zone), the westernmost section of Whitewood Estates and the tower of Downtown Los Santos. The real question is, is it worth it doing the glitch then if we end up with such small turfs at a mediocre density of 1? Or risk breaking our save with some unintended bugs like territories being zoned to something else and missions like Toreno and Taxi Driver breaking? Well...

 

To be honest what I peronally loved the most about this glitch is the (seemingly) aleatoric idea behind it, that you can get totally random territories occupied by random gangs anywhere. It feels... wrong but also cool. I'd argue on PC there are better ways to obtain new turfs, easily. Now you can properly predict what you'll obtain with this glitch here, so you may as well just use a trainer or CLEO to give gangs zones as you please without risking any adverse side effects. Then there's also the Extended Gang Wars plugin, an absolute must have if you ask me. Shame it's not possible to see third party gang turf colors on PS2 without using the codes to war with them by Ric. I bet the effects are a lot more crazy there. On my main save I've been using a combination of CLEO mods and a bunch of glitches to obtain as much GSF territory as possible while also avoiding overlapping turf or harming friendly gangs (like Aztecas or Triads). Rhans is absolutely an inspiration with all the crazy stuff he did on his videos, like damn, I wouldn't have half the patience to do all of SA in "legit" ways like that  

 

I have to say though one time I did the glitch with Extended Gang Wars and some CLEO script to add more turfs added in and noticed some really odd effects. Yeah I know, mods and all, but I think investigating results with some mods can be fun too. On second thought the territory glitch reminds me a lot of Super Mario Bros. and its 256 worlds and areas. Same deal, something unintended, but can be kinda legit. So what results did I get? I noticed King's got rezoned to the LVA Freight Depot! I had these territories become Unused Gang 9 turf because the LVA Freight Depot was that. Turf, well, I went over there and what happened after starting a gang war was that I had BOTH the LVA hood and the King's hood flash. As if they were ONE territory with two different coords. I still have this save in its broken glory. Half of SF seems to be missing its gang territories! If anyone wants it, here you go: https://gtasnp.com/1CaMaa I need to try fixing the "rezone bugs" on it and see what it gives.

[Claykillin]

Ok I know this is a long shot but can anyone explain how to navigate to specific zones when flying off the map or do I jus fly and pray the gang I want appears? I’m on ps3hen SA project kaizo I’ve done the glitch once and light yellow blob went over LS I don’t mind this new vagos sets appeared everywhere but the density is small in a lot of places and a pink square popped up in LS airport it turned out to be triads but my main goal is to get SF Rifa and mafia in LS and I want to spread VLA over LS but I don’t really understand how the off map glitch exactly works I have the map of the zones but I don’t understand what to do ik its 2025 but can anyone please help it would be greatly appreciated I can send pic of map also

[Jeansowaty]

On 3/24/2025 at 5:02 PM, Claykillin said:

Ok I know this is a long shot but can anyone explain how to navigate to specific zones when flying off the map or do I jus fly and pray the gang I want appears? I’m on ps3hen SA project kaizo I’ve done the glitch once and light yellow blob went over LS I don’t mind this new vagos sets appeared everywhere but the density is small in a lot of places and a pink square popped up in LS airport it turned out to be triads but my main goal is to get SF Rifa and mafia in LS and I want to spread VLA over LS but I don’t really understand how the off map glitch exactly works I have the map of the zones but I don’t understand what to do ik its 2025 but can anyone please help it would be greatly appreciated I can send pic of map also

The map on the first post got you covered. Depending on the direction you fly in you'll get different results. Fly east off Palomino Creek and you're likely to get multiple territories of all kinds of gangs in San Fierro. Mind you, all of them will have just 1 density though, so very low. You can later lose gang attacks to give them a boost however.

[soco_lindicate]

Try NationWide Gang Wars mod, it unlocks +350 territories without glitches