Idea: easy solution to PvP suicide turds.

[joao_inca]

 

 

Pragmatic stance:

 

PS: just to show easy it is... I don't even play with macros on GTA, not even for heists.

 

 

Wish I could afford one of those, my life would be so much easier

[Neuling2000]

 

 

I mean,, theres even players who place stickys on their buzzards or jets before attacking player.. Just so they can blow themselves up at the 1st sign of danger while they go around attacking others. That level of bitchery deserves to be in its own server..lol

Lol.

I do it too. No easy kill for Mr. homing launcher noob when I'm flying around.

 

Why are you attacking players if you don't want to play with them?

 

I don't get it.. And i never will get people who are scared to see someone get a pop up credit on the screen for getting killed by a player. I mean, what kind of mentality does someone have to have to be constantly thinking "Gotta put sticky's" by my feet.. "Gotta put stickies on my Helicopter jet".. Can't let noobs kill me.

 

Dumb noobs need to kill me faster then i can i kill myself or they SUCK!.

 

I don't attack them. I'm just flying around but someone is always attacking me with the homing laucher or a sniper. I don't give them the satisfaction of a kill.

The sticky bomb method is very risky nowadays because it makes the explosive sniper rounds a one shot kill.

 

 

Even last night.. I had 3 players in that new Custom Armed Insurgent trying to kill me.. After i went OTR and grab my Oppressor and went after them and started blasting them they all EWO. Thats basically a mass suicide and funny as hell to me.

 

In their minds they think they prevented me from getting kills on them.. In my mind i caused them kill themselves, which basically means i made them all tap out. Which is even worse then dying by my hand.

 

But maybe im playing the game wrong.. Maybe i should have just killed myself 20 times till they got tired of chasing me.

 

OTR... Another cheap tactic...

 

 

Like i was sayin' They need to make Bad Sports count for killing themselves.

Lol, that's a stupid idea.

So I will end up in bad sport cause I'm stuck at Mt. Chiliad and die 10 times when I'm falling down the mountain.

Accidently blowing me up --> bad sport

Crashing a bike, plane or helicopter --> bad sport

Open the parachute too late --> bad sport

 

 

 

Sometimes they suicide when spawned in open place in front of you, can perform that like 10x in a row, until spawned somewhere safe.

Idk if this was said but a 3 to 5 min cooldown is all that needs to be done.Problem solved

 

A cool down? How could this work when they can blow up themselves indefinitely.

[Quadro]

Just remove/cooldown EWO and stop direct explosion or fire damage caused by the player affecting the player - like a sort of friendly fire on themselves.

Edited August 16, 2017 by Quadro

[.Vooodu.]

 

 

 

I mean,, theres even players who place stickys on their buzzards or jets before attacking player.. Just so they can blow themselves up at the 1st sign of danger while they go around attacking others. That level of bitchery deserves to be in its own server..lol

Lol.

I do it too. No easy kill for Mr. homing launcher noob when I'm flying around.

 

Why are you attacking players if you don't want to play with them?

 

I don't get it.. And i never will get people who are scared to see someone get a pop up credit on the screen for getting killed by a player. I mean, what kind of mentality does someone have to have to be constantly thinking "Gotta put sticky's" by my feet.. "Gotta put stickies on my Helicopter jet".. Can't let noobs kill me.

 

Dumb noobs need to kill me faster then i can i kill myself or they SUCK!.

 

I don't attack them. I'm just flying around but someone is always attacking me with the homing laucher or a sniper. I don't give them the satisfaction of a kill.

The sticky bomb method is very risky nowadays because it makes the explosive sniper rounds a one shot kill.

 

 

Even last night.. I had 3 players in that new Custom Armed Insurgent trying to kill me.. After i went OTR and grab my Oppressor and went after them and started blasting them they all EWO. Thats basically a mass suicide and funny as hell to me.

 

In their minds they think they prevented me from getting kills on them.. In my mind i caused them kill themselves, which basically means i made them all tap out. Which is even worse then dying by my hand.

 

But maybe im playing the game wrong.. Maybe i should have just killed myself 20 times till they got tired of chasing me.

 

OTR... Another cheap tactic...

 

Like i was sayin' They need to make Bad Sports count for killing themselves.

Lol, that's a stupid idea.

So I will end up in bad sport cause I'm stuck at Mt. Chiliad and die 10 times when I'm falling down the mountain.

Accidently blowing me up --> bad sport

Crashing a bike, plane or helicopter --> bad sport

Open the parachute too late --> bad sport

 

 

 

 

1.) Really.. You're so scared of randoms blasting you.. you travel around with a sticky bomb on your chopper.. Holy Bitch Face batman.. You get the cookie for that one buddy..lol

 

2.) OTR is cheap? No.. Its not.. Game should not have always on blips in the 1st place. Having a min or two of no blips does not ruin anything and allows for players to pull off certain things they can't do with always on blips showing. Or use some stealth tactics.. Would you rather player kill themselves or abuse passive instead? Dafuk?

 

 

3.) I clearly stated that the Bad Sports points only effect you if you kill yourself with a WEAPONS or EXPLOSIVE. Which means you would have to blow yourself up 40 times in under an hour or two to actually hit bad sports.. And if you're that retarded that you do it by mistake.. Well, maybe an day in bad sports will clear that up.

 

Next time you reply to anything i say.. Try and understand.. Im not an idiot. I just play one on TV>

Edited August 16, 2017 by .Vooodu.

[OBeef619]

Next GTA they should add a "Suicide" counter under K/D and remove EWO from Interaction Menu. Make them call someone to EWO.

 

Passive switching just needs a cool down timer, though a Bounty placed denounces the switching and only costs $2000 but can cost if have to do repeatedly.

 

It's easier to just avoid these players that use cheap tactics. Switch lobby is my solution; find people that want to fight and can accept wins and losses.

[Zeta87]

Just remove the suicide possibility from the game and being able to damage yourself.

 

If you are stuck somewhere it's because Rockstar can't create a proper game world to avoid that sh*t.

[FlacidJack]

Just remove the suicide possibility from the game and being able to damage yourself.

 

If you are stuck somewhere it's because Rockstar can't create a proper game world to avoid that sh*t.

to be fair the real world has many many places you can get stuck so if the game world was made properly it would still get you stuck sometimes.

You can always blow yourself up or change sessions if you get really stuck so i'll agree, there's no real need for ewo.

[Johnny Alpha]

No no no no. This game has enough cool down / restrictions as is. Get off your soapbox. You have no right to tell other people how to play. Don't like it? Switch sessions or go invite only.

 

/Awaits flames from butthurt special snowflake gta purists.

[.Vooodu.]

No no no no. This game has enough cool down / restrictions as is. Get off your soapbox. You have no right to tell other people how to play. Don't like it? Switch sessions or go invite only.

 

/Awaits flames from butthurt special snowflake gta purists.

 

 

Calling out sh*tty and unintended game mechanics and the players that use it is a right... People who play online games have been doing so ever since online games where a thing. If you can't handle it.. then obviously you the butt snow flake.

 

Sure players can switch sessions.. Doesn't change the fact that it still a sh*tty game mechanic being abused just because they can..abuse it.

 

You got extremely hostile players doing what ever they can to avoid 'getting killed' by players by killing themselves while they constantly try to kill players..

 

No need to flame your ass.. It just is what it is.

[CrysisAverted]

No no no no. This game has enough cool down / restrictions as is. Get off your soapbox. You have no right to tell other people how to play. Don't like it? Switch sessions or go invite only.

 

/Awaits flames from butthurt special snowflake gta purists.

 

If you ask me, those who commit suicide in order to spare their k/d should stay in a permanent state of death e.g. sent to badsport where everyone can endlessly kill themselves to protect their k/d for all eternity.

Edited August 17, 2017 by CrysisAverted

[Xiled]

Think there scared that the game could change and actually require some skill instead of the no skill killing self.

 

If it wasn't a problem it wouldn't be brought up so much. Or rockstar will do there classic move of "if we can't fix the problem we remove it" It would be hilarious if rockstar removed ewo from the interaction menu and made it if you killed yourself when shot by another player you get your K/D reset to zero kills.

 

*Awaits the tryhard snowflake to respond.

Edited August 17, 2017 by Xiled

[Garland137]

No no no no. This game has enough cool down / restrictions as is. Get off your soapbox. You have no right to tell other people how to play. Don't like it? Switch sessions or go invite only.

 

/Awaits flames from butthurt special snowflake gta purists.

The only "butthurt snowflakes" are the losers that continually harass everyone in range and then repeatedly kill themselves the second anyone tries to fight back.

[jwdrinkwaterjr]

I don't understand the fascination with ewo. I fly around and attempt to blow up everyone I see (outside of Paleto Bay that is, don't start sh*t in my happy little town). I get killed all the time. It doesn't bother me at all.

I'm beginning to think I'm not a griefer at all, just really bored.

[Big Molio]

 

The only "butthurt snowflakes" are the losers that continually harass everyone in range and then repeatedly kill themselves the second anyone tries to fight back.

 

They are just playing to their niche activity though, which is acquisition / preservation of K/D, that's all.

 

In amongst themselves, where they most likely measure their worth against other players doing the same activity, they aren't losing, they are winning, by preserving their K/D ratio.

 

That is simply the game they want to play within the overall structure of GTAO.

Edited August 17, 2017 by Big Molio

[Ker Juice]

Another one of these threads?? I'd rather 1 of the other old 10 ones be bumped. Until Rockstar decides to implement a penalty, how's about mastering EWO or suiciding yourselves? Cause being "honorable" gets you nothing but a salty post on a forum. Enough of the complaining already- fight fire with fire.

Edited August 17, 2017 by Ker Juice

[Arrows to Athens]

To those suggesting that Rockstar removes the EWO option: That's not going to solve anything. Most players who constantly suicide during battles turn to their stickies or RPG's, not the EWO. So what, you're going to suggest that Rockstar add a cool-down to the weapon wheel now? All Rockstar can do now is make it so that the last person who shot the suicidal player gets the kill, but they probably aren't going to do that, since players killing themselves is the least of their problems.

Edited August 17, 2017 by Arrows to Athens

[Man With No Name]

My way of fixing it: Reset everyone back to 0.0, and make K/D exclusive to other deathmatch modes only (read: In freeroam, kills don't count nor do deaths by other players).

[askinnywhitedildo]

Preservation of KD is such a stupid f*cking concept.

 

I fight, a lot. I never kill myself unless it's because of cops, and my KD never goes down. If someone can kill me, I let them. I'm not afraid of dying because it's not going to hurt me, my KD will keep rising. If these EWO tryhards were as good as they think they are, they wouldn't be so scared about losing their KD.

 

They're caught up in their own mind about winning fights, and are too delusional to understand the honor of the fight. They essentially, are just sore losers. Half of them are so dumb, that they don't even know they can drop BST right at their feet and become borderline invincible.

[Ghoffman9]

or count suicide as negative 1 kill to the player that commits it.

The problem is that the system will not understand context. For example if your character trips and dies rolling down a mountain, it will knock a kill off despite you doing nothing PvP related at the time. It cannot tell the difference between an accidental suicide from an intentional one to avoid a death counting against your K/D.

My suggestion is to remove K/D from free roam entirely. Its got no place being there and when it comes to balance with all the things you can use in free roam, its a broken indecipherable mess. Due to that K/D carries no weight at all and is completely pointless in any context outside of a PvP based mode like Deathmatch that has rules and restrictions in place.

Edited August 18, 2017 by Ghoffman9

[Ker Juice]

Playing a game straight up filled with griefers, trolls, cheaters, glitchers, mod menus, and meta gamers is such a stupid f*cking concept.

 

I could give a sh*t about K/D because a large portion of the player base either have theirs modded or boosted. I'm not impressed if someone has a high K/D or a lot of cash- there's always someone higher and who has more. You CASUALties need to stop lumping us EWO users all together. I'm passive aggressive, and killing myself denies you 6-8pm players from a kill. If it changes my hate mail from "u suck get wrekt" to "fck u suicide b*tch" then so be it. Sucks to be them.

 

Btw u lame casuals need to come up with a better name than "tryhard," cause I actually take that as a compliment. No clue how that crap actually caught on- doesn't even make sense.

Edited August 18, 2017 by Ker Juice

[Johnny Alpha]

I may have been more of an a$shole than I intended in that prev post. I just get mad over sh*t like this. Because of crybabies, we now have a mental state, special vehicle icons, cooldowns on vehicles we spent MILLIONS on, and a cargobob that won't pick up sh*t.

 

You fire one round in LS and cops swarm on you like flies. EWO takes care of that (as well as the inevitable vehicle impound). Don't penalize people who want to use it for what it's meant for because some people abuse it. No one is forcing you to engage these people in combat.

Edited August 18, 2017 by Johnny Alpha

[CosmicBuffalo]

Isnt tryhard something Trevor hates and used on some radio stations? Its funny how the in game insults get tossed around...you hear "your mother should have swallowed you" or "Garbage!" all the time from the cops. Its no wonder the hate messages are filled with these insults.

 

Starting out in gtao, nothing is more annoying than an ewo person. Its so offensive to the concept of fair play. But once you accept it as part of the game that has no consequence other than 1000 dollars loss, well you start doing it everywhere. Boat delivery for biker biz finished, ewo to shore. Crates in the water and submerged your buzzard, ewo to jet ski. Cops bothering you, ewo to no cops. Homing launcher locked on heli, ewo to rob the dbag of a kill. Get shot by tryhard, ewo to get a rage message. Its a slippery slope.

Edited August 18, 2017 by GenericGTAO

[EvilFuture]

 

 

BST+heavy sniper. No mid-fight ewo´s since you blast them oneshot. Where is the problem?

This is the only time I'll ever accept BST as fair, unless they're using it first of course. If you're gonna be a little bitch with me and blow yourself up mid fight, I'm gonna do something about it. The second I see them register as CEO (if they're not already), I'm starting a sightseer so they can't use BST either. That's when they usually teleport to their apartment/passive and send me messages. Pathetic.

 

What if they BST as well?

 

That's why I said if I see them register as a CEO to try to spawn the BST, I start the VIP work sightseer. When you start a sightseer, everybody in the lobby is blocked from using BST except for you.

[fatdog]

I wonder, why these suicide clowns bother to leave feedbacks lol. Nobody cares, how you wanna excuse being sad loser, unable to accept death from other player in video game.

 

 

The problem is that the system will not understand context. For example if your character trips and dies rolling down a mountain, it will knock a kill off despite you doing nothing PvP related at the time.

Hey, it's not a problem if you read starter post.

[.Vooodu.]

I may have been more of an a$shole than I intended in that prev post. I just get mad over sh*t like this. Because of crybabies, we now have a mental state, special vehicle icons, cooldowns on vehicles we spent MILLIONS on, and a cargobob that won't pick up sh*t.

 

You fire one round in LS and cops swarm on you like flies. EWO takes care of that (as well as the inevitable vehicle impound). Don't penalize people who want to use it for what it's meant for because some people abuse it. No one is forcing you to engage these people in combat.

 

 

While i agree that R* did make some changes that where not needed.. This change would only impact players who abuse it. So it would not penalize people who use it for what its meant to be used for.

 

I mean.. No ones forcing anyone to blow themselves up every other second.

[blackindia]

 

I may have been more of an a$shole than I intended in that prev post. I just get mad over sh*t like this. Because of crybabies, we now have a mental state, special vehicle icons, cooldowns on vehicles we spent MILLIONS on, and a cargobob that won't pick up sh*t.

 

You fire one round in LS and cops swarm on you like flies. EWO takes care of that (as well as the inevitable vehicle impound). Don't penalize people who want to use it for what it's meant for because some people abuse it. No one is forcing you to engage these people in combat.

 

 

While i agree that R* did make some changes that where not needed.. This change would only impact players who abuse it. So it would not penalize people who use it for what its meant to be used for.

 

I mean.. No ones forcing anyone to blow themselves up every other second.

 

I agree with both of you here. I never suicide myself but there is so many issues with the game. Like too intense cops or even just the spawn distance being way too close

 

Even during Executive Search players just suicide their way to survive the time out and win. How can Rockstar let that pass really?

[SHOKKERZ91]

Nobody cares, how you wanna excuse being sad loser, unable to accept death from other player in video game.

 

 

 

You are the same. You got killed by me with a savage and now you cry and say im cheating. Nobody here takes you serious.

[Ghoffman9]

I wonder, why these suicide clowns bother to leave feedbacks lol. Nobody cares, how you wanna excuse being sad loser, unable to accept death from other player in video game.

 

 

The problem is that the system will not understand context. For example if your character trips and dies rolling down a mountain, it will knock a kill off despite you doing nothing PvP related at the time.

Hey, it's not a problem if you read starter post.

Even with that it will not understand context, accidents can happen even in the heat of battle. Like some dumbass NPC running you over with a car or accidentally killing yourself with one of your own explosives which players do have a tendency doing. Its impossible for any system to understand context and what led up to that player dieing via suicide. Like I said, no system out there can differentiate between an accidental suicide from an intentional one. Such systems can only see in black and white and most situations in any game is not so cut and dry.

 

The game would just be so much better off without a K/D affected by what takes place in free roam. It encourages some of the worst behavior out of the players, and due to the overall broken mess of free roam the stat does not even hold any weight due to how easy it is to artificially inflate that stat so its completely pointless even being there and it does more harm than good.

 

K/D should only be affected by how you perform in PvP based modes that has rules and restrictions in place, only in that environment can K/D carry any weight. Lastly, with it gone in free roam you would not longer see players doing the cheapest tricks in the book anymore because there is nothing to gain from it. Why bother going to such extremes when there is no reason to?

Edited August 18, 2017 by Ghoffman9

[fatdog]

accidents can happen even in the heat of battle. Like some dumbass NPC running you over with a car or accidentally killing yourself with one of your own explosives which players do have a tendency doing.

Well, you'll have to be more careful next time. Don't fall, crash or blow up yourself, and if you did - won't be end of the world anyway. Also npc\cop kills don't count as suicide in game. But no way you can remove current kill score to particular player, and this is actually most popular reason for suicide.

[Ghoffman9]

 

accidents can happen even in the heat of battle. Like some dumbass NPC running you over with a car or accidentally killing yourself with one of your own explosives which players do have a tendency doing.

Well, you'll have to be more careful next time. Don't fall, crash or blow up yourself, and if you did - won't be end of the world anyway. Also npc\cop kills don't count as suicide in game. But no way you can remove current kill score to particular player, and this is actually most popular reason for suicide.

 

Which is why it should just be done away to begin with. People only do that sh*t cause of K/D, despite the fact only the pathetic and insecure take it seriously. You take away that, they have no reason to commit suicide, no reason to abuse passive mode, no reason to repeatedly kill AFK players, no reason to farm kills over and over in military class vehicles, and so on. People done all of that in the name of raising their K/D.

Like I said, it encourages the worst out of players.

 

We would not even be having this conversation if K/D never existed in this game outside of PvP based modes.