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Shermhead

Fake News

Fake News  

53 members have voted

  1. 1. Is there fake news?

    • Yes, I believe there is some politically biased mainstream news channels
    • No, I believe mainstream news is legitimate and honest
    • I believe there's both honest and dishonest news, with some hiding their bias better than others
    • All mainstream news is bullsh*t
    • Other


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sivispacem
11 minutes ago, ThatBenGuy said:

A Marxist is someone who follows the communist ideology of German psuedo-philosophers who call themselves Karl Marx and Frederick Engels. 

So, basically nothing even remotely close to what any mainstream US media outlet releases? The two are mutually exclusive. You can know what Marxism is, or you can believe that CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS, PBS, The New York Times, and The Washington Post are Marxist media outlets. If you believe the latter, the former is empirically untrue. Asserting the latter is fact is a great way to get yourself laughed at by anyone more educated than you- which, if you believe the latter, is a very long list of people.

 

I mean, the WaPo is owned by Jeff Bezos, who's literally the richest man in the world. 

 

29 minutes ago, Eutyphro said:

He's the polar opposite of you politically, but that doesn't make him more brainwashed.

No, but believing that the MSM is actually Marxist and that Sean Hannity isn't a corporatist does.

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Eutyphro

Mainstream media aren't Marxist. They are economically center right. But they do espouse Anglicized postmodern politically correct ideological angles. I've pointed out many times a thread runs from Marxism to postmodernism, but Marxism isn't very interested in identity except for social class. Mainstream media use postmodern identity politics as a tool for neoliberal goals like the free movement of people, or to generally deterministically box people into identitarian boxes to make them passive, marginalized, and susceptible to commercialism.

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ThatBenGuy

The thing I hate most about CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS, PBS, The New York Times, and The Washington Post is that they are all very hateful organizations. They hate Donald Trump. They hate guns. They hate hunting. They hate fishing. They hate capitalism. They hate America. They hate religion. Some of the very few things those organizations actually like include socialism, power, and censorship.

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RedDagger

That's a lot to pick apart there so I'm going to focus on the one thing, what about the US media actually makes them socialist/marxist? 

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Tchuck
1 hour ago, RedDagger said:

That's a lot to pick apart there so I'm going to focus on the one thing, what about the US media actually makes them socialist/marxist? 

Mainly the fact that the guy up there doesn't have a clue what socialism and marxism is.

 

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They hate Donald Trump

So, criticizing Donald Trump = hating him? I've yet to see any evidence for any news media "hating" Trump. I see them criticizing him a lot, scrutinizing his every move. But to hate him? I don't think that's even remotely true. Can you point us to the hate?

 

Or if you do equal criticism with hating, and I suppose you don't hate Trump, you also approve of the concentration camps near the border, right?

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Hmmm nice bike
2 hours ago, ThatBenGuy said:

The thing I hate most about CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS, PBS, The New York Times, and The Washington Post is that they are all very hateful organizations. They hate Donald Trump. They hate guns. They hate hunting. They hate fishing. They hate capitalism. They hate America. They hate religion. Some of the very few things those organizations actually like include socialism, power, and censorship.

Just out of curiosity, what is your opinion on local news outlets? Some ABC, NBC, CBS and Fox stations (mostly the ones in major cities) are owned directly by their main networks (with local Fox affiliates being almost completely different from Fox News Channel, the difference is like night and day when you watch local Fox vs national Fox), but a majority are by other companies using the names ABC, CBS, NBC and Fox.

 

Of course, the Sinclair Broadcast Group is the most infamous one of those companies, but they own no stations in my city (yet, until the Tribune merger goes through).

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ThatBenGuy

I still mostly just listen to individual conservative talk shows as I mostly just avoid corporate news altogether as I said before.

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Tchuck
6 minutes ago, ThatBenGuy said:

I still mostly just listen to individual conservative talk shows as I mostly just avoid corporate news altogether as I said before.

Right. Except that the people you mentioned you listen to (Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Sean Hannity) are absolutely part of corporate news.

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make total destroy
4 hours ago, ThatBenGuy said:

CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS, PBS, The New York Times, and The Washington Post are all in deed examples of Marxists and leftists!

i f*cking wish. too bad none of those are 'Marxist' or even 'leftist' in any way.

4 hours ago, ThatBenGuy said:

Yes, I am aware of what BOTH 'Marxist' and 'leftist' mean.

evidently, you are not.

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make total destroy
36 minutes ago, ThatBenGuy said:

I still mostly just listen to individual conservative talk shows as I mostly just avoid corporate news altogether as I said before.

so basically you just let glenn 'reds under my bed' beck, sean 'drunken calamity' hannity, and rush 'give me some more painkillers' limbaugh think for you? i can see why you don't think they're 'corporate news' given that they're just pundits digesting new stories with their own ideology and sh*tting them directly into your ears. that sh*t can't even be considered 'news',

 

3 hours ago, ThatBenGuy said:

They hate capitalism. They hate America. They hate religion.

stop making centre-right media outlets that operate entirely in the interests of capital sound cooler than they actually are

 

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Doctor Holliday
4 hours ago, ThatBenGuy said:

I mostly just listen to individual conservative talk shows

Well, this answers a lot of questions.

You don't seem to know what Marxism is, you don't seem to know what Socialism is, you don't actually seem to be familiar with the nightly content of MSN, CNN, or Fox... and your justification is that you listen to a lot of Conservative talk radio?

 

You'll never see how delusional and ignorant you are when your head is so deep in the sand. In case you weren't aware, most Conservative talk shows are also funded and supported by major corporate interests, often the same ones who pay the salaries of MSN, CNN, and Fox employees. So while you may think you're above the fray, you've done nothing more than play directly into the propaganda and lies. You can disagree with Liberals all you want, but if you actually believe that MSN and CNN 'hates America' you're just dumb and wrong :lol:

America is the reason they're all wealthy and on TV every night. They love it here. Just because they espouse different political views doesn't mean they hate America. What an incredibly stupid thing to say... in addition to the several stupid statements you've made recently.

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Darth Yokel

Man, I can hardly believe that ThatBenGuy isn't a troll. The fact that people like him are real is partially hilarious, but mostly just tragic and scary. These people literally don't want to listen to anything that doesn't confirm their biases and prejudices. How the f*ck does anyone sane listen to anything that Sean Hannity has to say?

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Doctor Holliday
1 hour ago, Darth Yokel said:

Man, I can hardly believe that ThatBenGuy isn't a troll. The fact that people like him are real is partially hilarious, but mostly just tragic and scary.

Poe's Law has become a phenomenon in reality.

It already had a rich history in the gay liberation, like when people deliberately troll'd as members of the Westboro Baptist Church in order to highlight the intolerant agenda of political Christians, but it's become more prevalent than ever in the post-Obama era; racially motivated Conservative backlash, the McCarthy-ism of labeling people as pro- or anti-American, the so-called Men's Rights movement, Neo Nazi's marching with tiki torches shouting about Jews, and other subcultures who had been previously (and rightfully so) suppressed by the establishment.

 

But political leadership and courage is long dead, especially in the Republican party, where the perception of 'winning' is the only the thing that matters.

 

https://www.wired.com/2017/06/poes-law-troll-cultures-central-rule/

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sivispacem
11 hours ago, ThatBenGuy said:

The thing I hate most about CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS, PBS, The New York Times, and The Washington Post is that they are all very hateful organizations. 

So you're not going to be drawn on why you claimed they were Marxist? Poor form. Tell me, why are you in D&D unless it's to discuss?

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