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Johnny Spaz

Was Johnny gonna be racist?

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Johnny Spaz

I was going to put this on the TLaD sub forum but that things dead

 

Now if we see the Johnny Klebitz in GTA 4 he looked way more menacing his tattoos were visible his voice was deeper and raspier.

 

Also according to Playboy X he was really a f*cking badass who took absolutely no sh*t but at the end Niko asks if he's scared of him and he says no but all those bikers are racist.

 

So was The Lost gonna be racist like the AoD's? Jim Fitzgerald was Caucasian in GTA 4 then he turned black, so how would it have been controlling a racist biker? Would u love it or hate it?

 

BTW I really hate how R* made Johnny's tattoos less visible they were cool AF

 

I wish R* had left Johnny the way he was in GTA 4 a straight savage who took no sh*t but then they turned him into Niko with a leather jacket (same moral code and sh*t) the only really badass scene he has in the game is when he puts Pretty Boy's face against the motorcycle wheel

 

Was johnny made more family friendly in a way too?

Edited by Johnny Spaz

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Algonquin Assassin

It's pretty hard to tell seeing as he only makes two physical appearances in GTA IV. I mean even Luis looks and sounds different to how he's in TBOGT.

 

Nothing really suggests to me he was going to be racist though.

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DOUGL4S1

Johnny in GTA IV was a stereotypical 1%er, and they developed more of his personality and appearance in TLaD. They probably changed it because they already got in trouble because in Vice City you could kill Haitians, imagine the legal trouble they'd get themselves with a racist character.

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Piggsy pls

IDK about Johnny specifically, but The Lost were defintely more stereotypical in IV, compared to TLAD. In IV a lot of Lost NPC's have confederate flag shirts/patches, but these were all removed in TLAD, and Johnny hates the AOD for being racist. As you mentioned Jim turned black/hispanic, and even Clay seems like he was added relatively late into the game's development (no LCPD profile, doesn't speak in any cutscenes). GTA V goes even further and added a lot of black/hispanic Lost NPC models.

 

Rockstar defintely changed The Lost's image for TLAD/V.

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t3h PeNgU1N oF d00m

imagine the legal trouble they'd get themselves with a racist character.

What imaginary legal trouble would they get in? There are no legal censorship restrictions as to what you can and cannot put in a game/movie/TV show/book/etc. (save for copyright, slander, classified gov't info, etc.). Though I am sure they wanted to keep the game rated M for ESRB, and they wanted to make Johnny a likeable character, so any racist dialogue or persona would have been avoided to hold these criteria. Even Packie in vanilla IV drops the n-bomb in a scene or two.

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SabreGT

I always thought it was just Playboy getting The Lost & Angels of Death mixed up.

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Axl Rose

Johnny in GTA IV was a stereotypical 1%er, and they developed more of his personality and appearance in TLaD. They probably changed it because they already got in trouble because in Vice City you could kill Haitians, imagine the legal trouble they'd get themselves with a racist character.

 

They wouldn't get in any legal trouble as that would infringe on their 1st amendment.

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Colonel _Cortez

Johnny Klebitz was jewish. He himself suffered racism, especially Brian was very anti-semetic and always picked on Johnny for being a Jew.

I don't think the Losts are a racist Biker Gang, they are a multicultural.

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GTA-Biker

I doubt Johnny was supposed to be a racist in GTA 4,since he has no problem working for Elizabeta (a latina) and with Playboy X (a black guy).However,it is possible that TLMC were supposed to be a stereotypical white outlaw motorcycle club and later changed into a multiracial club,because R* didn't want to risk people thinking that the protagonist's gang is racist even if they actually weren't.

 

I always thought it was just Playboy getting The Lost & Angels of Death mixed up.

I agree.Playboy X himself isn't a biker,and probably knows nothing about outlaw bikers,except that they're white guys on chopper bikes,so he thought both gangs were pretty much the same.Also,it's the same guy who thinks Dubai is in Africa and that Jesus killed John the Baptist,I don't really consider him as an accurate source of information.

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Mr_Rager

I don't think the lost were some social justice group or anything lmao they just didn't really give a sh*t about race of their members but I know they had plenty of racial banter between each other

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woggleman

People generally would not want to play as a racist especially since the GTA series has a very diverse fanbase.

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The Rockstar Gamer 108

Johnny was never a racist. As we can see in Blow Your Cover / Buyer's Market, Johnny talks mostly with Playboy X.

He is even close to Clay, Malc and De Sean.

He was best friends with his friend James Fitzgerald, who had turned yellow.

He was always good to Elizabeta Torres and Angus Martin too.

 

Brothers for life man. Lost Forever.

Edited by The American Army 1775

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1972

No, I don't think so. If R* planned the DLC during IV's development and release (most likely did), I really doubt they even thought about making a racist protagonist. Racism is a line R* won't cross for a good reason, definetly not for a protagonist.

 

Johnny doesn't have to be a lover of all coloured races but he at least tolerates them.

Edited by fashion

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Algonquin Assassin

Been playing TLAD again and it's obvious to me the AOD were the only ones intended to be racist. Even in GTA IV as GTA-Biker said above Johnny has no problem working with people (such as PBX and Elizabeta) of different races/backgrounds..

 

It's refreshing to be honest to have broken from the 'bikers are racists" stereotype.

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universetwisters

Johnny Klebitz was jewish. He himself suffered racism, especially Brian was very anti-semetic and always picked on Johnny for being a Jew.

 

I dunno if you can count petty jabs from petty people racist, especially when it's coming from Brian.

 

Personally I wouldn't care if Johnny was racist. If anything, the idea reminds me of some thread that was made in the TLAD section a while ago, "what if Johnny was a more villainous protagonist". Like the IV trilogy protagonists were all crooks with a heart of gold and having one that contrasted that would've been nice, but whether or not racism was involved, I wouldn't care because it's just a game that I'm not being forced to play.

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Piggsy pls

 

Johnny Klebitz was jewish. He himself suffered racism, especially Brian was very anti-semetic and always picked on Johnny for being a Jew.

I dunno if you can count petty jabs from petty people racist, especially when it's coming from Brian.

If someone is constantly bringing up your racial/ethnic background as a point of insulting you, then they're most likely racist dude. Brian's definitely an anti-semite.

 

Interestingly, Brian and Billy are the only guys in The Lost who showed any signs of being racist, and they both ended up as antagonists. I don't think Rockstar ever wanted to try to make players sympathetic towards racist characters.

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Johnny Spaz

 

 

Johnny Klebitz was jewish. He himself suffered racism, especially Brian was very anti-semetic and always picked on Johnny for being a Jew.

I dunno if you can count petty jabs from petty people racist, especially when it's coming from Brian.

Interestingly, Brian and Billy are the only guys in The Lost who showed any signs of being racist, and they both ended up as antagonists. I don't think Rockstar ever wanted to try to make players sympathetic towards racist characters.

/thread, I guess Playboy X's statement was another one of his "viewpoints"

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Queen Elizabeth II

Too bad he isn't.

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Tao Cheng

Don't take Playboy X's statements seriously. PBX is like the smart kid who got his ego fueled thanks to the drug ring empire and became ignorant as hell on the course of GTA IV's storyline. His credibility plummeted when he said Dubai is in Africa.

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Darkshadows

What playboy said was probably an stereotype of bikers since AOD were racist and he wasn't too smart

 

I don't think Johnny was ever meant to be racist.

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ViceOfLiberty

Anybody at the bottom of the food chain is going to be racist when your competition in the drug game etc is comprised of mostly ethnic gangs. Niko is probably racist against ethnic Bosnians too.. This is a reality and isn't inherently bad when capturing the essence of a grimey criminal underworld. We're all pieces of sh*t, and sometimes we hate eachother for different reasons and express it poorly, making it seem as if it's because of race.

Edited by ViceOfLiberty

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The Rockstar Gamer 108

Or maybe Johnny was a racist. He used to ignore Clay and criticize UR.

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B Dawg

Ignore Clay? What are you on about? Just because he criticizes the UR for riding japanese hairdryers doesn't make him racist.

You and your constant anti Johnny agenda is silly.

Edited by B Dawg

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hoircanry

Jony was a racist :D

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universetwisters

 

 

Johnny Klebitz was jewish. He himself suffered racism, especially Brian was very anti-semetic and always picked on Johnny for being a Jew.

I dunno if you can count petty jabs from petty people racist, especially when it's coming from Brian.

If someone is constantly bringing up your racial/ethnic background as a point of insulting you, then they're most likely racist dude. Brian's definitely an anti-semite.

 

 

But was Brian doing it to emphasize that jews are inferior to other races (racism) or just going HEY HERES JOHNNY THE JEW LOL (just annoying him).

 

I feel like if they wanted to write Brian as a racist, they could've done a lot better. And don't say that they couldn't get away with it because Gerry dropped the n-bomb in IV and nobody cared.

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GTA-Biker

Or maybe Johnny was a racist. He used to ignore Clay and criticize UR.

He didn't ignore Clay,when they were hanging out they often talked to each other,and Clay (along with Terry) would come to help Johnny whenever Johnny needed some help.They were very close friends,Clay and Terry seem to be the most upset among all TLMC members around when Trevor told them what he did to Johnny.However,Clay didn't talk much in cutscenes in GTA TLAD,maybe R* added him later and didn't bother to give him any lines of dialogue.

 

As for Uptown Riders,Johnny didn't criticise them for anything race related,they were just making friendly jokes about each other's choice of bikes,which is what lots of bikers commonly do in real life too (many cruiser/chopper riders say that sports bike riders are immature adrenaline junkies who look like power rangers,many sports bike riders say that cruiser riders look like they are stuck in the 70s and that cruiser bikes are slow grandpa's bikes...).Also,Jim made fun of Malc's and DeSean's crotch rockets as well,not just Johnny.

 

Edited by GTA-Biker

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Hot Pursuit

Inconsistent writing

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simonp92

Inconsistent writing

 

Care to elaborate? You ressurect a 3 week old topic, and brings absolutely nothing to it, you might aswell not have posted at all.

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Lucius M. Galloway

Last thing I'd want to play as is a racist, gamers are already racists anyhow, so to hell with them.

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Queen Elizabeth II

@up

 

What? Every single game producer is so afraid of being accused of racism that they don't even try to put anything that could be related to racism.

 

(That doesn't relate to white people - blacks can be racist towards us, sad truth)

Edited by Queen Elizabeth II

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