GTA 6 Leaks & Hints Topic.

[MrQuiche]

1 minute ago, Matsen said:

Immersion. People often forget how important it is.

In GTA V, if you just sit peacefully and listen, you will always hear something from cars to animals and people. If you sit at the Docks, you hear the sounds from the waves crashing in the walls and docks sounds in general. From the city to the sea and Desert, every ambience is different, you can see the ambience and hear it.

[Americana]

Sure, but immersion is broken every 10 seconds in Grand Theft Auto V.

 

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[Len Lfc]

6 minutes ago, Finite said:

After 14 years people want them to revert the 1980's despite their being no gameplay reason why, you're just limiting, weapon selection, music choices, clothing and customisation and so on for the sake of having the game take place here.

Who said there has to be a gameplay reason why? What if Rockstar want to tell a specific story, set in a specific period of time? And none of those things you listed are limited by setting a game in the past. Think about it, how many songs will be in the game? A fraction of those that existed during the 1980's. Same goes for clothes and cars. Believe it or not, but there were more than a handful of t-shirts, jeans and shoes to wear  There's a near infinite (in gaming terms) amount of clothing options they could include. The main concern would be cars, but again, there are hundreds of cars they could use. Maybe you don't get another hundred super cars with online updates (tragedy ) but just because it was the 80's doesn't mean there were only 10 different cars in the world.

 

Again, I'm NOT saying it will be in the 80's. I have no idea. I would like it to be in the 80's, in Vice City. But the idea that that would 'limit' the game is another example of not being open minded about it. This discussion is ultimately pointless. Nobody is going to change their opinion. And regardless of where GTA 6 is set, the answer won't 'prove' anything, as Rockstar will just do what they want, as they always do.

[Matsen]

20 minutes ago, Finite said:

After 14 years people want them to revert the 1980's despite their being no gameplay reason why, you're just limiting, weapon selection, music choices, clothing and customisation and so on for the sake of having the game take place here. For nostalgia isn't an actual excuse or a good reason. We've had our historical title this generation with RDR2, give me a well-realized version of the 2020's wherever rather than retreading the same ground they did back in 2002.

I disagree. That is the case if setting it's let's say 1920's or something along those lines. We're talking about 1980's, most of the stuff from GTA V is from the 80's anyway. Music you say? Most radio stations are filled with 70's and 80's music. Most players would choose to listen to these stations anyway. The only complain I can find is that we can lose 90's hip hop but that's pretty much it. Weapons? So what weapons we have in V? Like 92FS, 1911, MP5, AR-15 platform, AK, TAR-21 we can switch for AUG and so on. Heavy weapons like RPG-7, Stinger are all from the 70s/80s. You can make a very long list. Cars... most of the community favorites are from the time period, just take a look on what cars people are most exited for when new DLC drops... come on man.

Edited August 21, 2019 by Matsen

[imsohighalot]

i dont understand how some people are so close minded. R* could make a "78 ~ late 80s/early 90s ~ current days" if they want.
whatever the set is, its gona be huge and sell alot.

[Chrome Zentorno]

5 minutes ago, Finite said:

It of course does, time periods matter and for the systems GTA has used for the past decade to incorporate player interaction it's almost required. RDR has never used that system.

 

GTA will not be a historical series anymore, it isn't launched frequently enough for them to do it these days. Retreading old ground with Vice City, if it happens will be done in much the same way it is done with GTA V and SanAndreas, same local, modern timeline. Every Rockstar title sans Red Dead Redemption has always been given a modern day setting, GTA IV, EFLC, Chinatown Wars, Max Payne 3, GTA V, GTA Online.

 

After 14 years people want them to revert the 1980's despite their being no gameplay reason why, you're just limiting, weapon selection, music choices, clothing and customisation and so on for the sake of having the game take place here. For nostalgia isn't an actual excuse or a good reason. We've had our historical title this generation with RDR2, give me a well-realized version of the 2020's wherever rather than retreading the same ground they did back in 2002.

Exactly what I’ve been thinking, but I wouldn’t mind if the game started in the 70s, went through the 80s, and ended in the present day like those fake leaks are saying.

[squeezx]

2 hours ago, B_E_N_1992 said:

 

If you want to play current times, then keep playing V”s GTAO.

True. I don’t think a lot of people realize that GTAV’s online will still be going well after GTA6 ‘s launch.  Perhaps for years after. 

[Matsen]

6 minutes ago, squeezx said:

True. I don’t think a lot of people realize that GTAV’s online will still be going well after GTA6 ‘s launch.  Perhaps for years after. 

Well, that depends. If GTA VI launch with much better online component I don't see any reason to still play V. But if R* is going to continue their bullsh*t of screwing PC players like they always do (they most likely will), so people like me would be force to still play V.

[squeezx]

5 minutes ago, Matsen said:

Well, that depends. If GTA VI launch with much better online component I don't see any reason to still play V. But if R* is going to continue their bullsh*t of screwing PC players like they always do (they most likely will), so people like me would be force to still play V.

Yeah people will probably have to have the new consoles to play it cuz it won’t come to PC at the same time.  So there’s a monetary barrier that will prevent them from playing 6 immediately for some people. 

[DexMacLeod]

2 minutes ago, squeezx said:

True. I don’t think a lot of people realize that GTAV’s online will still be going well after GTA6 ‘s launch.  Perhaps for years after. 

It'll still be around, sure. But I highly doubt it will still be updated or supported. I can't even imagine how much more horrible that place'll get when there's zero oversight.

 

34 minutes ago, Matsen said:

Cars... most of the community favorites are from the time period, just take a look on what cars people are most exited for when new DLC drops... come on man.

Yeah, but look at the wishlist threads. It's mostly people requesting modern cars. People have been petitioning for a tuners DLC for as long as I can remember. Hell, there's even people requesting updated versions of cars that were considered modern when the game released.

[Matsen]

13 minutes ago, squeezx said:

Yeah people will probably have to have the new consoles to play it cuz it won’t come to PC at the same time.  So there’s a monetary barrier that will prevent them from playing 6 immediately for some people. 

But I would argue that by 2022 which seems most likely as a release date, almost everyone would have a new console.

10 minutes ago, DexMacLeod said:

Yeah, but look at the wishlist threads. It's mostly people requesting modern cars. People have been petitioning for a tuners DLC for as long as I can remember. Hell, there's even people requesting updated versions of cars that were considered modern when the game released.

That's a different thing. Wishing something for a existing title set in modern times doesn't mean that players want only modern vehicles.

Edited August 22, 2019 by Matsen

[Len Lfc]

11 minutes ago, Matsen said:

I would argue that by 2022 which seems most likely as a release date, almost everyone would have a new console.

I'd think closer to 2023. it usually takes 2-3 years, and if you're saying "everybody" then it definitely won't be 2022. Would you believe there's still a lot of PS3 users who don't have a PS4 yet? 2023 happens to be the year I suspect GTA 6 to release anyway

[Matsen]

9 minutes ago, Len Lfc said:

I'd think closer to 2023. it usually takes 2-3 years, and if you're saying "everybody" then it definitely won't be 2022. Would you believe there's still a lot of PS3 users who don't have a PS4 yet? 2023 happens to be the year I suspect GTA 6 to release anyway

By saying everybody I didn't mean it literally, I thought that was obvious. Yeah of course they are still people on PS3/Xbox360, same as they are still people running on Windows XP. I don't think players like these make a large number tho. About that 2023, eh I dunno seems to extreme for me. But hell what do we know right? It's just a wild guess and some common sense, but the problem is we know to little to estimate these release dates reliably. 2022/2023 whatever close enough kinda thing.

Edited August 22, 2019 by Matsen

[Len Lfc]

2 minutes ago, Matsen said:

By saying everybody I didn't mean it literally, I thought that was obvious. Yeah of course they are still people on PS3/Xbox360, same as they are still people running on Windows XP. I don't think players like these make a large number tho. About that 2023, eh I dunno seems to extreme for me. But hell what do we know right? It's just a wild guess and some common sense, but the problem is we know to little to estimate these release dates reliably. 2022/2023 whatever close enough kinda thing.

Dont worry, I knew. But I just mean if you think back to 2015, which was 2 years into the PS4 gen, I still wouldn't say "everybody" had a PS4. By 2016 it started to become standard, I'd say. I think that was when Sony started to release their best exclusives.

[Matsen]

9 minutes ago, Len Lfc said:

Dont worry, I knew. But I just mean if you think back to 2015, which was 2 years into the PS4 gen, I still wouldn't say "everybody" had a PS4. By 2016 it started to become standard, I'd say. I think that was when Sony started to release their best exclusives.

Also I forgot that PS5 is going to be more expensive so yeah you're probably right.

[Secura]

1 hour ago, Len Lfc said:

Who said there has to be a gameplay reason why? What if Rockstar want to tell a specific story, set in a specific period of time?

They literally already did an 80's storyline, anything they do in that time period especially in Miami is going to be treading water they already covered - Twice.

 

A modern GTA storyline can also tell a specific story, in a specific period of time, GTA V and GTA III were both modern settings, not set at all in the same time period anymore than SanAndreas was to Vice City.

1 hour ago, Chrome Zentorno said:

Exactly what I’ve been thinking, but I wouldn’t mind if the game started in the 70s, went through the 80s, and ended in the present day like those fake leaks are saying.

This sounds cool in practice but how does it work? I might like a character when he's older or younger, or if it's different characters then I'm forever locked away from accessing certain content with a specific character. 

 

Not against this idea, but to enact in a game is going to be a real challenge.

[Len Lfc]

3 minutes ago, Finite said:

They literally already did an 80's storyline, anything they do in that time period especially in Miami is going to be treading water they already covered - Twice.

So what? Doesn't mean it would be the same game. Vice City was a PS2 game from 2002, Vice City Stories was a prequel released for the PSP, it may as well not even count as that would be like counting TLaD and TBoGT. Just like they wanted to do a "Proper" take on southern California and L.A. in GTA V, what if Rockstar want to do a "Proper" take on Miami, maybe even 80's Miami.  It's entirely possible. Sticking with the DLC analogy, both the DLC's for GTA IV are set at the same time as GTA IV, but all three play and have a different feel. Why is it that 1980's GTA 6 couldn't play and have a different feel than Vice City (2002)?

 

All depends on the story and tone Rockstar want to tell/use.

[Secura]

1 hour ago, Matsen said:

I disagree. That is the case if setting it's let's say 1920's or something along those lines. We're talking about 1980's, most of the stuff from GTA V is from the 80's anyway. Music you say? Most radio stations are filled with 70's and 80's music. 

Total non-argument, 70% of the GTA V radio station is comprised of music made after the 80's. Almost all of the vehicles currently available in the game would not have existed in the 80's, same for most of the customisation options, even more so when we start discussing elements of game design related to immersive UI menu interaction, 

 

People that want a purely 80's setting are overlooking all of the things that innately removes that a modern setting does not, as mentioned, literally anything from the 80's can be included in a modern GTA, characters, weapons, outfits, music, vehicles. None of that can be brought to it if it's set in that time period yet again.

[Matsen]

13 minutes ago, Finite said:

They literally already did an 80's storyline, anything they do in that time period especially in Miami is going to be treading water they already covered - Twice.

 

A modern GTA storyline can also tell a specific story, in a specific period of time, GTA V and GTA III were both modern settings, not set at all in the same time period anymore than SanAndreas was to Vice City.

They did Vice City once so now they cannot do it again? That was ages ago. That will be 2 decades when GTA VI could release. Its crazy amount of time come on man. Sure true modern setting can tell a specific story but also can the 80's. In my mind 80's can tell even wider array of stories. Just let's imagine for a moment we play mission in GTA VI set during the 80's in VC. You control a protection racket and one of the shops stopped paying so you gotta send them a message. You drive there park your 1970 Firebird around the back door. You take your Ingram Mac-10 from your trunk get inside and start spraying all over the shop. In a modern setting this whole situation would look totally different, possible even stupid and childish. But in a 80's settings its somehow plausible.

Edited August 22, 2019 by Matsen

[Secura]

1 minute ago, Len Lfc said:

So what? Doesn't mean it would be the same game. Vice City was a PS2 game from 2002, Vice City Stories was a prequel released for the PSP, it may as well not even count as that would be like countingAll depends on the story and tone Rockstar want to tell/use.

Vice City Stories launched for the PS2 a few months later down the line, suffice it to say that even when Rockstar reuse the setting, they never reuse the time period anymore, when they redid Liberty City for the 3rd time in GTA IV, they didn't set in the late 90's/early 00's.

 

When they remade the state of SanAndreas for GTA V they didn't set in the early 90's, they set it in the early 2010's.

 

3 minutes ago, Len Lfc said:

Just like they wanted to do a "Proper" take on southern California and L.A. in GTA V, what if Rockstar want to do a "Proper" take on Miami, maybe even 80's Miami.

Why would they want to do this? They don't want to release a new GTA in the current political climate because they understand GTA is a game that satirises modern culture. Everyone is obsessed with the innately limited and derivative concept that they've already gone over twice. 

 

As previously mentioned there's nothing innately wrong about setting a game in Miami now, but to set it back in the 80's for no reason other than nostalgia is utter nonsense, a modern day storyline has the potential to be more interesting and unique than any period piece, there is a reason why the story in GTA IV is the best they've told, and it didn't need nostalgia to accomplish that.

 

8 minutes ago, Len Lfc said:

 Sticking with the DLC analogy, both the DLC's for GTA IV are set at the same time as GTA IV, but all three play and have a different feel. Why is it that 1980's GTA 6 couldn't play and have a different feel than Vice City (2002)

Because they were DLC, why would they be up sacrificing a mainline entry in a game series that launches a new title once every 8 years on average on a concept that they have covered well and extensively in two prior titles. 

 

The DLC didn't take years to create, if they make an 80's GTA people who enjoy all the elements of modern Rockstar titles are left waiting over a decade for a title to cover all the interesting elements of a GTA that takes aim at the decade of the 2020's, untouched potential, even if set in a Miami, or a Florida world.

10 minutes ago, Matsen said:

They did Vice City once so now they cannot do it again? That was ages ago.

No they did Vice City in the 80's, Twice. 

 

They've done a GTA in the 2020's. Never.

12 minutes ago, Matsen said:

You take your Ingram Mac-10 from your trunk get inside and start spraying all over the shop. In a modern setting this whole situation would look totally different, possible even stupid and childish. But in a 80's settings its somehow plausible.

In GTA V a modern GTA you can rob convenience stores with everything from Tommy Guns to Railguns. Giving players choice doesn't come secondary to nostalgia and never should.

[Matsen]

7 minutes ago, Finite said:

Total non-argument, 70% of the GTA V radio station is comprised of music made after the 80's. Almost all of the vehicles currently available in the game would not have existed in the 80's, same for most of the customisation options, even more so when we start discussing elements of game design related to immersive UI menu interaction,

70% nah bro that's too much, but as I said most people dont even touch these stations. Like FlyLoFM... uh who listen to these? Vehicle that are currently in game have to represent current day LA so what is so strange about that. If it where 80's it would be literally the same thing just instead of modern cars there would be their 80's counterparts. You put Ferrari Daytona Spyder in place of the Ferrari California and so on. Done. Customisation? Can be done. Take a look at Ruiner customization or a new Gauntlet Classic. Elements of game design and immersive UI uhh can you explain how 80's setting prevent that? Also what do you mean by "elements of game design"? It's a vague term.

[Secura]

Just now, Matsen said:

70% nah bro that's too much, but as I said most people dont even touch these stations. Like FlyLoFM... uh who listen to these? 

You know this how.

 

Rockstar listened to them, that's worth more than your assessment.

[Len Lfc]

5 minutes ago, Finite said:

but to set it back in the 80's for no reason other than nostalgia is utter nonsense

That's the point you just don't seem to understand. You're assuming the only reason would be nostalgia. Like I've said multiple times, maybe Rockstar want to do it again, they can do whatever they want. You don't have to understand it, and it's okay to admit you don't know something. None of us know what Rockstar are planning for GTA 6. I think it's silly to assume Rockstar will never do something simply because they've done it before... decades ago. I'm just trying to tell you that it's possible. Key word: Possible. Not that it will, or won't. But that they could. 

[Matsen]

8 minutes ago, Finite said:

They've done a GTA in the 2020's. Never.

Uhh... I wasn't talking about the setting but the time that passed from last main GTA game set in VC during the 80's... Hey we made it once we cannot do it again but modern settings we can 2 times in the row?

[Len Lfc]

2 minutes ago, Finite said:

You know this how.

 

Rockstar listened to them, that's worth more than your assessment.

Could say exactly the same for your arguments, too. We should all be open minded about what they do next.

[Eternal Moonshine]

5 minutes ago, Finite said:

They literally already did an 80's storyline, anything they do in that time period especially in Miami is going to be treading water they already covered - Twice.

That was 16 years ago. Besides it doesn't have to be Miami and it doesn't have to be set in the 80s. I for one am interested in seeing LV and SF in the 70s. But I will welcome anything that's not yet another satire of modern society. R* won't limit their artistic freedom by forever sticking to modern day. The world didn't really change since GTA V was released. We're doing the same things we did back in 2013. V is just as relevant now as it was back then. Right now the only way to keep this franchise fresh and interesting is to do a period piece. Yet another game set in modern day would be rehashing the same ideas

[Secura]

Just now, Len Lfc said:

That's the point you just don't seem to understand

No, you're just refusing to back up that maybe and then taking it as gospel.

 

Both stories set in Vice City in the 80's cover the same spectrum of story, narrative, gameplay and content because all of it has to fit the theme applied. There isn't that much to say about the 1980's Miami that they haven't already said before. Compare this to telling innovative stories like that of Niko Bellic in a modern setting, and it's easy to understand why that the earlier games used the time periods as crutches as substitute for something more unique by today's standards.

 

3 minutes ago, Len Lfc said:

Like I've said multiple times, maybe Rockstar want to do it again, they can do whatever they want.

Quote me one time where I have stated that Rockstar can't do what they want with the title, I'm poking holes in the theory of another game set during the 80's in Miami, because the real question is why do that when every title they have made in the last decade and a half, and almost certainly, the last 16 -17 years by the time GTA VI launches, has been a modern title, yet all of which have told entirely different stories, with no exceptions having to be made for the sake of nostalgia when it comes to hiding away great music,vehicles, weapons, characters, technology and so forth.

 

Because the real question is, outside of people's nostalgia, what reason have they to go back, I've already stated quite clearly that nothing that exists in an 80's setting cannot also exist in a modern one, the only difference being that the people that enjoy many of the facets of GTA titles that have come into existence since the 80's aren't spurrened as a result of that.

8 minutes ago, Len Lfc said:

 None of us know what Rockstar are planning for GTA 6. I think it's silly to assume Rockstar will never do something simply because they've done it before... decades ago. I'm just trying to tell you that it's possible. 

It's possible, about as possible as a 2021 release date in truth. All evidence we have suggests that the Housers do not enjoy revisiting their old works for the sake of it anymore, then there are the statements regarding the current political climate and the wish to not launch a GTA title during it, yet the willingness to do so for a RDR title. Simply because one is a period piece and the other would be critical of modern societal critique.

 

The most informed guesses we can make are that they will likely set it in the modern day as all of their recent titles have been, to put this into context, at the time of GTA VI's launch, GTA Vice City Stories will be closer to the days of DMA Design and Lemmings than it is to modern Rockstar. Modern Rockstar being the topic of discussion in this very thread and from someone who so wishes to dispel unlikely outcomes, surely you can add together the pieces to see that although a game set in that time period may possible.

 

It's also very unlikely Len.

[squeezx]

46 minutes ago, Finite said:

They literally already did an 80's storyline, anything they do in that time period especially in Miami is going to be treading water they already covered - Twice.

By your logic there would’ve never been a red dead redemption sequel in the old west because they already did a red dead redemption game set in the old west.  

Edited August 22, 2019 by squeezx

[Secura]

18 minutes ago, Matsen said:

Uhh... I wasn't talking about the setting but the time that passed from last main GTA game set in VC during the 80's... Hey we made it once we cannot do it again but modern settings we can 2 times in the row?

Their last 7 titles have all been modern day settings outside of a series designed to be a period piece. I have never been against the use of Vice City in a modern GTA, just a repeat of the same setting and time period cumulatively, it's derivative, limited and ultimately as a result pretty boring and I have no interest in 80's nostalgia when Rockstar are a developer that have become renowned and capable of so much more than that.

 

5 minutes ago, squeezx said:

By your logic there would’ve never been a red dead redemption sequel in the old west because they already did a red dead redemption game set in the old west.  

No, because they made two games set in the 80's Vice City, and Vice City Stories, this does not contradict my argument at all and neither Redemption title is set during the Old West. 

 

One is set after it's already dead.

 

More importantly, both told entirely different stories and across entirely different time periods in mostly entirely different settings while not sacrificing any previous gameplay elements to accomplish that and a decade is a very long time, that's a larger time difference than GTA IV and Liberty City Stories.

Edited August 22, 2019 by Finite

[squeezx]

I think you’re clutching for straws red dead revolver, redemption and redemption II are clearly period piece games of the old west.  The story says it’s a dying old west but that really doesn’t take away from the period setting.